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Written by: David Mika on Saturday, January 12th, 2013. Follow David Mika on Twitter.
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@tyson
not sure about the W.V.C but in the Lackawanna
A should be Old Forge again but due to lack of competition at that level
AA Been weak for the last couple of years going to be instersting with Dunmore and Riverside moving up.
AAA Abington has a good core coming back Valley View has a ton of kids returning but no coaching North Pocono has a lot of speed coming back
AAAA Del valley should be the team
Never know who going to be sleeper of how kids will develop over the winter
Who’s lookin to be the teams to beat in D2 next year any thoughts?
But we may not want to Ron.
We just might re-hash this season until the beginning of next season.
Only kidding. 🙂
As of this post, we still have the Eagles to follow.
Time to put 2013 football season to bed, and look forward to 2014 season. Congrats to all 2014 PIAA state winners.
Gotta be “The Drive”! I don’t think I have ever seen a drive like that at any level. Pure old school football.
Happy New Year Dave, Jive and all of you..
’13 Memories:
Much to my misery, Prep getting the 5 year LaSalle noose off their neck and going the distance in their 1st State go-round…. flashback memories/visions of ’09.
South Fayette ignoring the press clippings and chatter. Desire, disciplined assignment football erases the horror of the ’10 WC final.
Wood once again proving 3A championships can be won between/off tackle and NO semblance of a passing game.
Actually, some of the most memorable moments was the last games of the year.
Who expected Imhotep to lose, and especially that bad?
Not many people gave Prep much of a chance against PCC, but they won rather handily.
Of course you know I gotta mention NP.
I figured them at 5 and 5 this year and missing the playoffs. They made it all the way to the D1 final. Didn’t think they lose to Neshaminy at all, let alone that bad. But what the hell, they made it there.
Happy New Year everyone!
Good topic Dave! I’m sure you guys expect me to talk about a D12 moment as a lasting memory for the year. Honestly went pretty much as I expected as far as D 12 went. I think I’ll remember North Catholic going for 2, in overtime. I was never a single A follower, and probably still won’t be. However, that was a great football game, with an even greater ending. Gutsy, very gutsy call to go for 2. If it didn’t work I’m sure words other than gutsy would be used, but it did, and it was. Happy New Year!!!!
@David – 2013 Memories
Although I have seen two state champions play in a single year five prior times, this is the first time I ever saw two state champions play each other when I took in St Joes Prep vs Archbishop Wood game at Tennent regular season. I also saw Pennsbury give Neshaminy their only regular-season defeat. And I saw 13 different solid teams with good final records play this season. It was a fine year!
The Drive! An entire quarter, many 3rd down conversions, two of them long. A couple 4th down conversions,9? first downs, and ONE State Title!
What are your top HS Football memories of 2013?
concerning d2follower you are right there was another chop block call in the final,and old forge benefitted from that one also. as far as crying,hear this dunmore,and riverside kicked our butts no excuses. but old forge was gifted this one and also i don’t know how many times i read about how proud old forge was because they kept the score with SC close in 2011. big deal you were in the game.big deal.
What was the score in the single A game?
Is there any truth in the accusation from the SCA fans that Old Forge was just plain lucky?
@jay
You have some mightly rose colored glasses my friend. I watched that game IN person AND on tape…both pass interference calls against OF that setup the SCA TDs were bogus. SCA *also* had what SHOULD have been a fumble whistled dead early. So both teams got a gift on the fumble issue. Was the chop block call big? Yes it was…but that is a rule that the officials had stressed this year. It got called in the state champ game as well. The fact that SCA could not score a point for 3 quarters is the obvious reason they lost.
Also, your angels did not play too clean sir. The cheap shot that put 44 out of the game in the 1st half was clear and the raking of the eyes of 42 to the point that there was blood running down his face was not exactly sportsmanlike….right up to the last play when 4 offered a hand up to your RB and had his hand shoved away. SCA has 6 titles and 13 trips to Hershey…don’t cheapen them with sour grapes crying.
D2 has gotten the better of the matchup 3 of the last 4 years…these things go in cycles. I know that most folks down that way were looking to this year as the one where they would get #7 but you have to live with the fact that Old Forge was better this time around…Buckle it up and go attack AA the way you have A.
I had some time on my hands in the last week, so I spent some time going back over all the posts for 2013 to fulfill my need for nostalgia!
A couple of quick points:
-Great 2013 for Easternpafootball. There were some great post over this last year.
-Amazingly there were some wizards of prognostication to include MYSELF! I told everyone it was going to be a shaky ride but when the time counted the Prep would show up!
-I was going to mention some of the better posters but we all know who they are as well as those who have a clear intent to sling crap!
-A couple of people I have to mention:
DOUGD-He gassed on us in the fourth QTR but his post were riveting! I was pulling for Lakeland and the Lacawana conference just so Doug would keep posting. I could careless about the Lackawana conference but Doug you piqued my interest in AA Lackawana football!
Jive-you absolutely killed me on your High school students use of steroids before English class! I read it a second time and I cracked up! Thanks for that moment!
Ches mont chuck-(AKA Chest Pump Chuck)That Coatesville team must have had so much 4.4 speed it became counter productive! It must have been like hearding cats.
I could go on but I had to mention those three.
As crazy as it seems take some time and go back and read through the posts. I wouldn’t waste much time before July but give it a shot it was entertaining.
In closing 2013 out, I asked the magic 8 ball how things looked for the Prep in 2014 and it keeps returning the same answer, “The outlook is good!”
I like that better then the answers to my 2013 questions:
-Ask again later
-Reply hazy try again
-Cannot predict now
-Better not tell you now!
It wasn’t until December that I got “Without a doubt!”
In all sincerity, finish 2013 safely, make good decisions and see you in 2014!!!!!
@ David Mika
Back atcha David, and a happy, healthy, prosperous New Year as well!
Merry Christmas everyone!
mark, did you watch the tape? pass interference can be argued on almost every play. if you see the fumble with aminute to go in the first half you can’t argue. it is a fumble and there is no other way you canargue it…… it changed the game.
I would like to wish
Jim Norris best of luck
New Head Football Coach at
pittston Area
Though I don’t know anyone from Pittston Area
I’d like to see somebody bring new life into
The Patriots .
And be a power in the Wyoming valley conference
It’s nice to change things up and not seeing the same teams
Rep the valley.
Again best of luck coach Norris
——DO WORK !
@phillyboy
Glad to help. I am D1, Sub One fan because it is where I have almost always lived and the teams I started to follow in 1951 are involved. But I like all HS football, and have no problems with following fine PCL, or D11, or D2, or any other programs either. I love it all!
@jay come on quit crying about a call,the two pass interfernce call that set up Southern two touchdowns had nothing to do with the game?Calls are part of the game i think 0 point for Southern in the last 3 quarters is what decided the game.
@ Kmac
Thanks for your input too. I didn’t know you were a Sub One guy. I thought you were a PCL guy. Looking forward to see some teams emerge as a legitimate state contender. Be fun to see.
@phillyboy:
Yea, the usual suspects next year.
Pennsbury was very young this year, they will be a force. Neshaminy every year. Not sure if Pollard is a senior, I sure hope so! As a NP fan, we don’t need to see him again! NP will be decent, but they will now be in the same division as the above big boys. Will make it tough.
If they ( NP) has the same non-league games ( first 3 games) as this year, they may not make the playoffs. Of course, I thought that for this year too.
@phillyboy
I apologize for responding to your inquiry to Buddy, but Sub One is my life, so I thought you wouldn’t mind my input. The realignment for 2014 puts NP, Nesh, Penns, Pnrg, Soud, CB South, Abing,and Bens in the same conference. If a team goes 7-0 in this conference they will have to be good. Pennsbury does have about 14 starters back including QB and I think two RBs. Pollard returns for Neshaminy, but will he have the cast to be as good as this season? They graduate a lot. Josh Adams at CB South will be a senior and his injury this year definately deflated the Titans’ 2013 tour. Abington has been really solid lately, and they had two major injuries impact their season. Very early, I feel it may be a NP-Pennsbury year; but I can’t predict the weather by looking out of the window, so who knows?
@ Buddy
Any very early thoughts as to what D1 teams show promise for next year. Been hearing that Pennsbury has a lot coming back. And I read in the paper that Neshaminy’s star back Pollard is a senior but was told at the Neshaminy/Prep game that he’s only a junior. He’s the real deal. And maybe North Penn will surpise.
@Jive
This is no surprise when it comes to the PIAA. They do not want to enforce rules they have created because it may upset the masses. This will be a reoccurring issue that appears to have no end in sight. Basketball is already lopsided because of this happening. Wait till it happens in droves with football. If you check the rivals.com site, some of these athletes don’t even have their updated transfer school in yet and it shows the previous school the player attended. I find that quite humorous. These players want to know what D1 is then let them understand D1 rules and regulations. If you are in a committed and play for a D1 school ie Temple and you decide to transfer to another D1 school ie Maryland, you have to sit out a full year. The PIAA should teach these kids that concept.
Well gang, I’ve been gone for over a week now ( yea, I know, who cares), but I didn’t know the results of Sundays games until today ( that’s right , I don’t have one of those “smart” phones. Have enough trouble figuring out my simple cell phone).
Shocking results, but in summary, D12 in general, PCL specifically, did real well. And for you guys that know me, it pains me to admit that! But they sure did!
Can’t wait for next year! Seems that the same teams will be loaded again. Don’t expect to see any major power shift for at least a couple of years.
Fun year to have watched. See yu-all next year!
@Jim B,
I rolled out the 1-3 predictions. I think the only reason I had one right was because I didn’t want to flip flop on Prep. I called them in week 1, had I not picked them then, I probably would have picked 0-4 also.
@tsaf,
Update on the kid from MC&S basketball. After PIAA put their tail between their legs, D12 doesn’t want to be the bad guy. Kid played in his first game of the season yesterday. Of the 9 kids in their rotation, at MC&S, 2 were at the school last year. They have 7 new transfers. A quote from the Phila Daily News was something to the effect of, “they have the most college recruitable team in the city”.
Robbyv
Yea, you got me. I was 0-4 on my picks. Oh well for me. Glad I didn’t make any wagers on the games.
But, d6football was also 0-4, and RevTweak was 1-3. Why not call them out also “Robbyv”? Why just me?
You can “LOL at “Jim B”, but what kind of name is “Robbyv”? I can’t seem to recall seeing you ever post anything on this forum. At least I have the guts to post my picks up here. What have you contributed?
@ Phillips
I didn’t realize the person you stated was QB. I thought he was a DB? See I said South Fayette’s QB was the top QB prospect in the state at #21 in the nation.
ok, there’s like a million “soldier returns” videos, but this one is football related and cool! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSNLs8iep3I#t=24
Staf77 : south feyette’s quarterback is not the best player in pa that is John Reid
@ 17th & G
In your hypothetical situation you did not mention how well performance schools are determined. Are they determined based on the same educational rigors? Are the students with special needs accounted for in all of your schools? Do their core subject areas offer the same educational experience, because you are talking state and federal money here. Sure federal money is minute in the whole budget but it can account for a full academic program. The state allotment makes up probably 50% of the school budget on averages. More affluent districts usually get more funding from Local Taxes which you have failed to mention. The State and Local districts are not going fork over money to private schools if they do not have a say with accountability.
Secondly, you are basing this concept off of what the PSAC Colleges do? It’s a lot different when colleges recruit the “kids they want” to attend their schools. Public education means Education for ALL! Private schools can pick and choose the kids they want which is why many have entrance exams to attend. If you don’t pass, you can’t CHOOSE that school. Secondly, they don’t have to let you in the school for whatever reason they deem not letting you in. Public money for education also can not be used to fund private, nonsecular schools. It is PA Law.
You seem to have a gripe against teachers for some reason. Realize the jobs that are asked of them before you send them to the gallows. Sure there are a “minority” that do not uphold the standards however most teachers are professionals that get the most they can out of their students. It is proven that most of the educational/developmental issues students have are outside of school. Parents are less involved today in the development of their children then they were years ago and that may be more of an explanation to the failings of schools.
sorry doug d watch the tape it changed the entire game please don’t lecture on sportsmanship when fairness is sportsmanship. old forge was gifted that win.
@ Jay -Southern Columbia Fan
Hello fellow football fan .
I’m a bit set back about your comment on the
Old Forge vs Southern Columbia game suggesting the game
Was gifted to Old Forge is such a disrespect not only to
OLD FORGE but also to SOUTHERN COLUMBIA
the both teams played solid games and should be respected and left alone .
In all due respect the REFS were very unjust to the
BLUE DEVILS too but what did they do …?
They dug deep and stepped up their game.
As a Lakeland Chiefs football fan I too have seen games go to
The other team ending our season 1 game shy of the
P.I.A.A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP but let it be known we don’t throw low punches about the facts …..why?
Because that simply de values our opponent and that’s not how we at LAKELAND or how OLD FORGE rolls ! sportsmanship is not only being awesome WINNERS it also applies to how you handle losses , that my friend is a true
CHAMPION because it will carry onto future life
Experiences that no win or loss can ever take away from
The future adults who will be running our world.
Remember life’s not all about what you win
It’s what you’ve learned while trying to achieve your goals.
Ending with that statement.
I would like to say congrats to Southern Columbia on a
Solid game vs the Blue Devils.
I just had to communicate with you about this matter
Only because OLD FORGE and LAKELAND have respect for each other they are our LACKAWANNA FOOTBALL CONFERANCE brothers.
NOBODY MESSES WITH FAMILY WHERE WE COME FROM!
It’s called Class some people have it and some people don’t
Best of luck finding it, put your mental filter on
And you too can find class .
MERRY CHRISTMAS fellow fan
and May God bless your mind body and spirit
-peace
Not to make excuses, IC got their butts kicked on Sunday at Hershey. Just some facts though, IC didn’t practice the week leading up to the game. The field they practice on was frozen over from the snowstorm the previous week. Adversary is something that needs to be overcame. The media already gave IC the title, giving SF bulletin board material. They were better that game, hats off to them!
Ima explain why imhotep got 41-0 when you have to practice in your lunch room cause no one has a field for you to practice on cause of the weather. When they let wood practice in a indoor feild and let prep practice at eagles indoor feild imhotep only had one practice tey couldn’t get no ones feild so they used there lunchroom couldn’t use gym I heard cause ball season started but when you have one practice out the week things like that happen. Everybody could have saw that imhotep was off its game and wasn’t focus by the first couple plays. When imhotep played lasalle spread offense imhotep took control of that or mayb the ECA game they barely lost to national ranked team with just as much talent as them. In not using this as a excuse for there lost just wanted to give you info on that week for the state game
@ Jive
This is the problem the PIAA poses all of the time. They don’t want to make rulings that will become “past practice” to politically help out their “good ole’ boys” network in other districts. This case shouldn’t have been appealed to the PIAA. The PIAA should only intervene when they catch a District not following the PIAA rules.
The case you have presented is a clear case of moving districts for athletic reasons. Once you start letting one or two, the flood gates will open and the PIAA won’t have a leg to stand on.
Transferring should face a penalty of no sports for one season and we will see who actually transfers for academics vs athletics. That is the most fair way to do it. Transfer rates would fall dramatically if that were the case.
@PCL Football
Well, Imhotep played itself out of the game with mental mistakes. Don’t think the S. Fayette team doesn’t have athletes. Their QB is the top prospect at his position out of PA for next years class. He very well may be the best QB prospect in PA right now. That alone places S. Fayette at huge advantage. Not to mention, IC didn’t really see passing of that caliber the whole season and not at practice. When your up by 2 or 3 TD’s by the end of the 1st quarter, it is easy to get another DB in the game and stop the pass because you know it’s coming. S. Fayette is all pass and their QB got better during the playoffs by averaging over 300yds/gm in the post season. Plus, lets remember they are kids and after getting shocked in the 1st quarter by being the team that was down by 2 TD’s puts you in unfamiliar territory and reveals flaws in coaching. Like never preparing to come back from a 2 or 3 TD deficit. I am not making excuses for IC as they should have been better prepared however 41-0 was more of a fluke. If they played again IC may lose, but not like that. That was the worst game I have seen them play. I remember after the La Salle game, I made a comment saying they were undisciplined “on the field” with the little mechanical flaws and I got ripped apart for that statement. Well those little flaws showed up in their biggest game.
@ Greg Little
I agree they have excellent athletes and I got ripped apart in saying that winning in HS is easy when you have talent like that. I have said it many times like good ole’ Mack Brown “It’s not about the X’s and O’s, it’s about the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s.” The best recruiters will win most of the time. IC also lost to the top QB recruit in PA. #21 QB in the nation actually for 2015. Look it up on Rivals. You can’t cover a receiver for more than 3 to 4 seconds in man and S. Fayette’s QB had time. If you give a kid who is that good time, well you will get torched just like IC did. IC plays a lot of man because they have the athletes and it is easy to teach. Zone takes time and reps to get your kids on the same page, especially a rotating zone. Coaching is important in developing a scheme and preparing your kids especially at the championship level. However, unbalanced talent will win almost every time. Lets be honest, IC could have beat over 1/2 the teams in the state without even practicing. Did IC have more talented players than S. Fayette, yeah they have about 3 major D1 recruits and probably 2 more mid-major recruits. S. Fayette also has a major D1 recruit behind the center. It kind of counter balances the recruits IC has because of how important the QB position is. That coupled with not being prepared for the QB I guess is a coaching flaw that IC displayed. They had to do more than just “show up” for this game.
Performance driven school districts.
All education taxes are levied per household across the board based on a % of the value and the state gathers $75% of those taxes. The state decides the cost per student in which each district receives. Use $11K as an example.
Each district signs a two (2) year contract on the number of students they have in the district. That number is guaranteed for the two year contract! So on Day (1) of the contract the district has 1000 students at $5500 per student and they are guaranteed 5.5 million.
Each student is given a voucher for $5500 to use in a two year contract. After two years that student has the ability to change districts. Every year you have a new influx of students so the two year contract is actually tracked annually because of the new student base and the success of the school district. So you just follow the money spend.
If a student decides to use the voucher towards a state approved non-public school (Friends, Christian, Jewish, Prep, Catholic or……) they can do so and the balance falls on the parent or guardian. Your school district is automatically given credit for your residence and is guaranteed your base district allotment.
Simple plan. Good Academics better following. Schools become subject specialist ie..math, science, languages. Special needs could become a specialty. Trade schools with sports or academic schools that become more focused on sports. Some districts might choose to drop sports because they become such an academic power house. With all this in mind schools stop catering to the teachers and start focusing on the consumer (student) decisions based on the consumer demands not demanding teachers.
The system is already in play and is quite successful. State college system! West Chester attracts certain students. Millersville a different. Bloomsburg, IUP, ESU all different but based on performance.
Some small boroughs get out of the education process and that allows their residents chose the appropriate school.
Little Johnny is a very smart stud soccer player and he decides on school A.
Little Tommy not so smart but a D1 hockey prospect decides school B.
Big Tony can remember what he read in 1st grade and is a D1 football prospect he decides on C.
Medium Adam is Jewish and decides wants to play sports so he decides to go to D but his brother really wants academics so he decides to go to E
Just a thought!
@tsaf,
Here’s one that I think you would find pretty interesting. MC&S basketball has a Jr. transfer this year from Strawberry Mansion. The kid is very good, to the tune of scoring 460pts in his sophomore season. Freshman year the kid played at Imhotep. He’s going on his 3rd school in as many years. I don’t have all of the facts, but here is generally what happened. Somebody opposed his transfer to MC&S. District 12 held a hearing, and ruled he will NOT be eligible to play for MC&S this season. Not liking the decision, his family to their case to the PIAA. So they truck up to Mechanicsburg for a PIAA hearing. PIAA basically rules that they don’t feel like making a decision. Their ruling was for D12 to have another hearing, back in Philly, to see if they can come to a different decision. This is a case where D12 did the right thing, and PIAA doesn’t have the backbone to support the D12 ruling. I thought this was a D12 issue, but now I know it goes much deeper. This is ongoing so there is no conclusion yet, but how does PIAA evade the enforcement of their own rules?
I am very surprised that the Pittsburgh Central Catholic coach did not come prepared to disguise his defenses and just let the Prep no huddle see what defensive set PCC was in and then the Prep coach changes the play and made no adjustment at halftime. Surely they could have shown a defensive and switch it up after Prep settled on a play. I was impressed with that no huddle as it could be a hurry up at times or just being able to change the play at the line of scrimmage. Prep didn’t seem rushed or flustered and if they had a delay of game penalty I don’t remember one.
@ Jive Turkey
One of the best comments I’ve read about transferring. I like your ideas. Unfortunately it makes too much sense for a lot of people who feel it should be a free for all.
I was terribly disappointed in Imhotep’s performance on Sunday. I hadn’t seen them play this season, but heard all the hype. It was just that…hype. I only have one question. Has anyone ever seen offsides called on the team RECEIVING the kickoff??! Holy crap that’s embarrassing.
@d6….yep…so many interesting changes for the next 2 year cycle. I can’t remember this many interesting switches in recent memory. Going to be an interesting 2014 for sure
My take on the Imhotep game was, what I think, were two major factors. The penalties were an absolute disgrace! I understand a hold here and there, pass interference, an overaggressive block that catches somebody in the back, but offsides how many times? Very poor discipline. That’s gotta be on the coach, they were not prepared. The other was QB play. The kid from SF was very, very good. If Imhotep gets behind, they don’t have the ability to throw to come back. Happened last year, happened this year. Teams behind on them stack the box, then get beat over the top. Teams ahead play 5 DB’s and challenge Tep to make throws underneath and to the sideline. That’s something they have yet to prove they can do. You can have great receivers, but if you can’t get them the ball, doesn’t matter how great they are.
@tsaf77
Wouldn’t you agree that Imhotep had the better athletes and still had 40 points put on them. And to add insult to injury they couldn’t score a single point. I love to hear the Imhotep people come on here and talk about how they beat SJP in a scrimmage and LS in the regular season. With SJP it was a “scrimmage” and LS had their top three players out. The difference between teams like SJP, LS vs IC is that SJP and LS are always playing towards December while IC gets a false reality because of who they play. 41-0 is embarrasing, all the penalties were embarrasing, and with all the athletes they couldnt cover wide open receivers. So athletes dont make a complete team and neither does “supposedly” having numerous D1 athletes. If that team was full of D1 athletes then college football is in trouble.
both Dunmore and Southern up to AA the next cycle according to the new piaa numbers?
Yo Jim B. 0-4 You playing the Lottery or you drinking??? “Jim B.” LOL
@ tsaf77
If coaching doesn’t matter…….
Please explain the shellacking of IMHOTEP?
Most D1 athletes on a team and a 41-0 loss,
in a STATE Championship game?
Times yours!
@tsat,
I’m just gonna be hypothetical here. I don’t have a problem with a kid going into 9th grade in any public school, they offer different stuff and some folks like chocolate and others strawberry. Let’s say a kid goes to Catholic school for 9th grade. Dad/Mom loses job or whatever it may be. Kid can’t afford Catholic school anymore. I don’t have a problem with the kid picking any public school, just like going into public for the first time. If a kid leaves a public to attend another public he must attend the closest public to his home, or he sits 1 year. Same with Catholic. You have a choice when you enter High School, if you made the wrong choice, you attend your neighborhood school or sit a year. Example; I live around the corner from Washington HS, in the far Northeast. I attend Simon Gratz, 10 miles away, because I am interested in their automotive program. I am also 6’8″ and can drain 3’s from half court. Basketball team sucks my first year, so all of the sudden I’m not interested in automotive anymore. I want to transfer to Prep Charter because they have something I’d like to study. It’s about education, so they say sure you can go to Prep charter, no sports for 1 year. Never mind, I didn’t like that class anyway. I think I’ll just go to Washington.
Kids are not allowed to transfer, in D12, for athletic reasons. I know everybody has an excuse that has nothing to do with athletics, but you can’t justify adding time to your commute for educational purposes. Think about it for a second. Most schools start around 8:00am. A lot of these kids are commuting over an hour each way. Wake up at 6:30, school till 3:00, practice till 6:30, home around 8:00. By the time that kid showers, eats dinner, winds down, and prepares to start getting ready for tomorrow, it’s 10:00. Any medical study will tell you students can’t function at their peak with less than 8 hours sleep. When does the student do homework, projects, and study for tests?
@ Jive
You know significantly more than I do about the the issues with open enrollment. I understand the school choice concept however when it is actually for better education it is a little more acceptable. I understand the PCL and everyone sees how powerful it is now. I don’t think it is far fetched to have the PCL all play in AAAA. I mean the majority of them play each other anyways. I am curious to hear your sugestion to D12 though. I know people don’t agree with me on making them al play at AAAA but what other equal factor can there be.
IC can play at the AAAA level, they beat LaSalle. The problem is that everyone wants to dominate and if they know they are not going to or will have a hard time doing so, then they try for the easiest route possible. Noone ever seems to care about the AAA and AAAA schools that are getting crushed year in and year out. Is it coaching, lack of community involvement, or no players?
@ Greg Little
Give Mike Carey a team without athletes and you will see 83 points laid on his team. No disrespect but coaching does not play the game. Sure great coaches will get the most out of their players but you can’t make chicken salad out of … Well you know.
17th & G
Assuming education was actually in the Constitution is another debate. If it weren’t for people like FDR, we wouldn’t even have public education. It would only be for the priveleged. I like phillyboy’s idea on giving everyone the same per pupil rate. It makes sense. Actually though, districts are funded by local taxes first. Higher income schools take less state and federal funds. Lower socioeconomic schools get more state and federal funding. Well until NCLB of course. Now we went from the PSSA’s to the Keystones with common Core derivatives. Check to see your school choice charters. They are mostly failing except for a few. Someone in PA Gov is making off with our tax dollars and they aren’t the unions. Ask your wonderful governor.
Fact is many public schools take tuition students so just because it is not done because people dont want to pay both tuition & RE tax (like Catholic parents) does not mean it can’t be done.
@ 17th & G
Yes, I fully understood that you mentioned “all boys” and my comment reflected that. I get what you’re saying but to use the “all boys” excuse to refute why football players are going there to play football is a stretch, you think?
Dude, if the government went totally laissez-faire in regards to a voucher program it would be chaotic. It would be very difficult to implement in practice. It would be a free-for-all and disorganized. How about a different approach: have the state dole out the same amount of money per student. That way, it wouldnt’ matter if you lived in Lower Merion or Chester; every student would have an equal footing. Currently, it’s primarily based on property taxes so the rich districts got it made. Sure, if a person is rich — wonderful, rock on, life is good. But if you’re not, too bad, eh?
@tsaf,
I think only 2 or 3 was being generous. 2 or 3 impact players maybe. All you have to do is look at how many kids change schools each year for basketball, it’s absurd! I’m not against open enrollment, however, I’m pretty down on the advantages being taken because of it. Here’s something to look at though. If there were no open enrollment in D12, Father Judge might win the state championship every year. Then guess which team would be getting complained about? Kids leave the NE in droves to go to Prep, LaSalle, Roman, Wood and Ryan. Ryan is in the NE, but there are quite a few kids that would be at Judge, if not for open enrollment. I have a few ideas to combat the problem, but as long as Robert Coleman is running D12, nothing is going to change. Like most things, they’ll wait until it’s so over the top bad, and then they’ll talk about looking at it.
Imhotep loss shows that a group of all star “individuals” will never beat a “team” that is focused on achieving as a whole. Can we put this whole Imhotep thing to rest now that they have to move up to 3A against Wood, Ryan, etc.. The days of beating school of the future are done. Try putting up 83 on Mike Carey.
Phillyboy “All boy” Catholic High School!
“All Boy”
“All Boy”
I am sorry did I say “All Boy”?
Please don’t twist my words to support your agenda. “All Boy” schools are a clear choice by families that are looking for an “ALL BOY” education! My parents sent me to an “ALL BOY” school because I was unable to focus on my studies when Carolyn #$^&elli was wearing a her uniform next to me. They figured it out pretty early on that I had Attention Female Distraction Disorder. (AFDD)
Is there any other facet of society where you are restricted of your freedoms like the public school system?
Why doesn’t the state collect all school taxes and directly distribute the money to the student. (voucher) Then allow the students to choose the school district to attend.
Isn’t the current practice a violation of the freedoms bestowed upon a citizen by the constitution. I think it is a bit oppressive!
Oh, no I forgot it is acceptable because it is a UNION thing and that always over-rides our rights.
So in a nut shell we have Freedom of Choice if we can afford to pay property taxes and tuition.
As crazy as it sounds Philly (D12) gets it! Why shouldn’t a student from one town be allowed to go to the neighboring town if they offer better education or sports or both! That system would allow freedom of education. The better schools would compete for students through their documented successes.
It’s a bad system when the rights of the consumer are not protected by the government.
@ Colin
The point I am making is that we base our classes too much on school enrollment and on no other factors at all. Historical competitiveness should play a role as should the potential area to where schools can draw their kids from. Open enrollment can potentially change a team to a state power in one season. Our rotations are 2 seasons.
I have been told on here that 2 to 3 kids on average change schools every year sports related in D12. Well that’s a big deal because that doesn’t normally happen anywhere else. I saw it in track and field with schools like Carver EnS and Sweonson. They should be in the large school division because they can potentially draw whoever they want.
Then the ignorant comments show up. “Coach your kids up” and “get them to be competitive.” Sure, I can just snap my fingers and get 4 DBs to run 4.5’s and have large athletic linemen with a dual threat QB that is a 2 star recruit. I would have to wish for that because I can’t go out and recruit it in my district. That is why people value the coaches like Curry and Henzes in D2. They build strong teams without the ability to get whoever they want. Sure they have good kids that will be going D2 or D3 to play football. Give those coaches Bishop Wood or SJP and they probably still win the state.
Everyone thinks coaching is the main factor and without the kids, it doesn’t matter how good your coach is.
I say let D12 play in AAAA. The open enrollment factor gives them too large of an advantage and you will see teams take advantage of it in the near future. It doesn’t matter that your school enrollment at a D12 school is AA because if the majority of your boys have been hand picked from the 1.5 million population then your not really an AA school. To the schools that can’t compete at the AAAA level from D12 I say recruit better because you can. Others districts can’t. That is an overwhelming advantage that is just not being taken advantage of by most. Wait till it does though.
@ 17th & G
You said St. Augustine is the closest Jersey Catholic HS to the Prep. It doesn’t matter if it’s all boys or not. You got Camden Catholic, Gloucester Catholic, and St. Joe’s of Hammonton just to name a few off the top of my head that are closer to Philadelphia than St. Augustine.
The issue with Catholic schools is not if they do not win it all, but the teams they beat and send home unfairly. You know the ones who come from the same neighborhoods and school district only to get knocked out by a recruiting school. Opps, silly me, they encourage young Catholic student athletes to attend the school.
D6,
Are you saying that in D10 a student can enroll at any public school they wish? When I refer to open enrollment im not talking about Catholic schools. Im talking about the Public schools in Philly(D12). The Catholic League is not part of the Phila. school district. The Students that attend those schools are not students of the Phila. School District. Ive just heard so much about Imhotep on this board and about how they have an advantage because of open enrollment. But all anyone needs to do is just check out the history of the Phila. Public League in the PIAA playoffs in any other sport outside of basketball and track and they will see that there really isn’t an advantage.
I was at the Imhotep game and South Fayette wanted it more. They were quicker off the ball, controlled the line play and dominated the game. Yes after the 2nd TD was scored, players started hanging their heads. It was their worse game ever! Congrats to South Fayette on the win.
@ Colin,
The issue which most of the state sees with allowing open enrollment is that it is exclusive to D12, D10, and D8 that I am aware of. The rest of the districts can only pull kids from within their boundaries. That is where you get the fans from those regions complaining.
The other issue as well is with the Catholic schools. I know that in D3 which some of our regional schools compete, there is a move to form a new league which is basically the “get away from McDevitt league”. The talk around that district is that it is hard to compete with schools which can draw basically anyone who can make all of the requirements to enroll. Basically it was a NJ/Philly all-star team vs a pitt all star team, same with the other big class game, erie/ny vs philly. THese are just comments i have heard the past couple days made.
I dunno a good solution to the issue, both sides will always argue and the side who gets beat will argue louder that year. I’m not advocating one way or another, just giving some perspective from a region in which open enrollment and private schools arent predominate.
Tsaff,
The open enrollment is “problem” that will never be fixed. That’s the way it rolls in D12. PIAA new the deal when the signed. A catholic school is what it is. They will draw from where ever it is they draw from regardless of what district that Catholic school resides in. I know Philly has many kids and things are done differently there than just about every other district in the state with the possible exception of D8(Pittsburgh). I can see where some People would have distain for Catholic schools. But I don’t get it when it comes to D12 public schools. Imhotep has been the only Public League school to make any kind of dent in the state playoffs. With the same open enrollment policy teams like Bok, Frankford and George Washington were getting clubbed in the state playoffs since they entered. I think the closest any other Public League team came to a victory was GW taking Easton right to the end they first year they entered the PIAA with a tam that had kids from all over the city. And they still didn’t win. Most years you will never see a Pub team in the states anyways because they have to play the Catholic league before anyone else does and will lose more often that not….I just don’t get what the issue is. Please tell me what I am missing in this open enrollment argument.
Gotta admit I had never seen PCC before yesterday but the pre-game hype made them sound like the biggest, fastest, most unbeatable HS team on the planet.
I know that PCC did not have its best game but even from the beginning they did not look at all physically imposing to me. Personally, I thought McDevitt was bigger and stronger and certainly Wood was. The all world running back Lista-Brinza with 1700 yds had nice feet but backs like that are all over the place around here and the kid looked like he was hurt after every play. Prep was much more physical on both sides of the line of scrimmage and had more overall breakaway speed. Gabe Infante referenced the quality of teams that SJP played this year as the best preparation for a game like this and it showed. Ultimately the strength of an area will be measured by who wins a state title. Clearly, however, when it comes to the depth of quality teams on the AAA and AAAA levels, Southeastern PA, specifically Dist 1 and Dist 12 are where the highest concentration of top teams in the state are.
Great season to all involved and those who watched it unfold. A lot of surprises to add to these games. Congrats to the winners and runners up.
Sounds like some big movements for next season. This is the new rotation and there is already a lot of speculation. The numbers are out there and there will be movement between the classes of notable state finalists from over the years.
Just echoing some statements. Yes, I am shocked IC lost in the fashion they did. I am not convinced though that they are not capable of beating S Fayette. From the 2 other game I saw them play, this game did not look like the same team. They are high school kids. It happens.
Prep had a great gameplan against PCC who has an excellent RB however never got momentum going. Prep was very physical compared to PCC and that proved to be the difference. Wood wasn’t as big of a shock over McD. I always thought they were top of heap in AAA. Old Forge and NC was probably the best game of the weekend. Those teams could play 10 times and split. That is how even A was this season.
As far as the talk being put to rest over “open enrollment” I think it will continue. Just because IC lost does not take away from the kids and the talent they have acquired. They had one bad game. This does not take away the idea that if 20 of these kids wanted to for next season, they could go attend another D12 school. That virtually doesn’t have the opportunity of happening anywhere else. So it is still a problem as is the playoff brackets with teams getting byes.
I know you all say that you can’t move them all to AAAA but what is the difference. Columbia Mon Vo Tech is an AAA school that gets crushed by A schools. There are currently AAAA schools that get beat up by A and AA schools that didnt even make the playoffs. I have hear so many people make the statement that the coaching and community needs to get these teams to compete. You have 11,100 people per square mile which by numbers 1000 are probably kids. I know this sounds ignorant but get them to your schools and get them to compete. Not only would that be the most dominating area in sports but it would be a more educated populous.
@d6football
Yes! Approximately 17 blocks from NJ! (17th STREET)
They always had and always will have STUDENTS from NJ. Try these terms, “Philadelphia Metropolitan Area”, Private School and tuition.
The closest all boy Catholic High School for Western NJ is St. Augustine Prep in Mayslanding 60 miles away. SJP and Roman are 10 miles and 15 minutes away. You do the math!
Get used to it! It’s not going away and get better because complaining doesn’t work. Congratulations Prep and Wood!
Hey great season, great kids, awesome year.. I hope this brings an end to all the doubters who said public schools can’t compete with Catholic or Charters.. Let the kids play..
So St. Joe’s has kids from both NJ and PA on their team?
Bye Bye Imhotep & Jive Turkey :)remember, this is all about the education and where they go from here. Not an Imhotep supporter one bit.
@RRMark,
Never, ever thought you were a hater! You simply questioned flaws in the system. I was one of the people that defended till the end. I still think it gets a bit overzealous at times, but I am starting to understand where folks from outside of D12 viewpoints come from. It may or may not get worse than you guys see it, but here it is.
Rumor is that the coach to be at Del-Val charter is going to be the father of 2 Imhotep players. I’ve heard that 10-15 players will be leaving Imhotep to attend Del-Val. It’s just a rumor, for now, be it has garnered a lot of steam. I’ve asked quite a few people, and have not gotten a denial. Doesn’t mean it will, or will not happen. However, if this turns out to be the case, I may end up being the biggest opponent of open enrollment in the state. Open enrollment is something I have defended for years, in Philly we’re used to a couple kids moving to this school or that. I hate that a lot of schools get a new starting 5 every year in basketball, but I’m not a big basketball guy. If this takes place, and Del-Val rolls out 10 new studs? This could get ugly. Jive Disclaimer: This is only a rumor right now! I tend to think, where there’s smoke there’s fire. But until anything is official, this is just a rumor.
Congrats to North Catholic, South Fayette, Archbishop Wood, and St Joe’s Prep on your championships. It is something them boys will remember for the rest of their lives!
Well the D12 team that was supposed to win bought into it and had there arses handed to them so congratulations to the underdog South Fayette who played awesome. And to the two D12 (PCL)teams that were supposed to lose congratulations in winning the AAA & AAAA state championship. This is only the 4th or 5th year that D12 has competed so it is too early to tell but it seems like D7 WPIAL dominating every year is a thing of the past. The Philadelphia Catholic League is so tough Archbishop Ryan beat both the Prep & Archbishop Wood and were not good enough to make the playoffs. Everybody whines about the PCL but their counterparts in the west have been dominating for years…
You said good things about catty after imhotep beat them but before the game i came on hete and people were saying catty will have a long drive home after thrive wasnt long they had a nice run and enjoyef d md the last couple of years these players played hard it was good while it lasted
RRMArk,
You stand by you statement. So what do you think should be done about this perceived advantage?
Didnt i say imhotep had a great season south fayette was a really good team i just made a point that they were beatable and the imhotep fans made it seem like they werent i was here routing for imhotep im an eastern guy and always route for the east
Does anyone know where or who is selling championship clothing ? The past years lighthouse sportswear did the champs at Hershey. If you mat know please let me know thanks. I’m looking St.Joes Prep gear ..
no, i’m not one of those people. in fact i think all the talk about charter, parochial and public schools is ridiculous. if charter and parochial schools have an advantage getting players, so be it…..you just have to play the game and beat them…i know imhotep is a good football team, i just don’t think as good as advertised….if someone saw anything different with imhotep today let me know.
Just let it be known that I never stated Imhotep was unbeatable, though I don’t think anyone could have predicted the outcome today. We all know what Wyomissing did last year for pete’s sake. They should never have been bulldozed like that. Seemed like they left their intensity on the bus. But I think I made it quite clear that regardless of who wins or loses any games, the fact remains that D12 or any big city teams still benefit unfairly from open enrollment and a huge population advantage. I stand by that statement based on the athletic talent on the field. My “crying and whining” was always over the PIAA, not any team, in spite of what some of you convicted me of (hating on the kids). And I know some of you will still claim I hate the Philly kids.
@eric,
Were you not one of them people? You cried and whined for two weeks about Imhotep. Now these kids lose, and you want to shove it in their faces? Amazing how opinions change more than underwear. Nobody said a negative thing about Catty on here, but you’ve been waiting for the chance to do it the other way. I’m happy you had the best day of your life today. Congratulations!
just finished watching imhotep/s. fayette….evidently the pedestal that most people had imhotep on was not as high as they thought…..embarrassing and highly overrated………undisciplined, defenders quit on some plays, both off. and def. lines were totally manhandled by undersized but more physical fayette…..imhoptep players were already hanging their heads in first quarter…..they better reconsider the choice of moving to AAA next year…this game was proof that you can’t beleive everything you read.
When ii went to the catty and imhotep game the imhotep fans acted like the championship was theres already like there wasnt anybody good enough i guess there was though they didnt only lose they were mercy ruled but congrant to a good season just south fayette was really good and deserved the win
Lackawanna Football Conference has released their 2014 schedule:
http://thetimes-tribune.com/sports/h-s-football-lackawanna-football-conference-schedule-for-2014-released-1.1600641
So far we’ve heard that Dunmore and Riverside will both likely move up to AA. Western Wayne down to AA. Dunmore is actually under the mark at 174, but 4 newly counted cyber-students moves the number to 178.
wow, just watched replay of old forge vs. southern columbia. old forge was gifted one in this game. in the 2nd quarter with the score 14-7 in favor of s.c. the tigers score,but wait,a flag, refs call a chop block,(how often do you see that?)so instead of southern leading 21-7, it remains 14-7 and southern is now on the 17 yd. line. they try a field goal and it hits the upright for a miss. score remains 14-7. old forge starts driving with time running out in the first half. old forge running back #42 clearly fumbles the ball out around midfield,and southern recovers. but wait, ref say’s no fumble. “what” this was not even close, the ball was clearly fumbled and southern player clearly recovered. old forge cntinues to drive and scores just before halftime. now the score is 14-14 at half. after watching this and then hearing old forge fans moaning and groaning about how they should have won the final, i have to say you should be very happy you were in the final. it looks like you were gifted the win over southern columbia.
I must have seen a dozen or more predictions from various sources prior to the AAA championship game. Not one had Wood winning, in fact most had McDevitt by 2-3 TD’s or more. Posts here said “McDevitt could beat some small college teams’.
Wood total yards 295 – 110, first downs 19 – 6, held the high powered McDevitt offense to 3 points, their QB had never seen pressure like that before he was running for his life the entire game. That’s domination defined and I agree with Major Tom’s post about level of competiton. Wood played North Penn, SJ Prep, underrated Arch Ryan, O’Hara, etc. so playing a team like McDevitt was nothing new. If Wood’s QB improves just a little bit how good can that team be in 2014?
BIG CONGRATS to the Old Forge Blue Devils
2013 P.I.A.A EASTERN CHAMPIONS !
As much as I was very saddened to watch
North Catholic win .
I can firmly say Old Forge has a lot to be proud of
in the game of football there has to be a winner
but in this game both teams were both highly solid
as a Lakeland Chiefs football fan I was VERY proud
to support our BLUE DEVILS !
They continued the pride of the
LACKAWANNA FOOTBALL CONFERENCE
having Dunmore and Riverside in recent years
rep our League this was again another solid year
for the LFC .
In past years VALLEY VIEW DUNMORE RIVERSIDE
with
Valley View winning 1992
Dunmore winning 1989
in other news
RIVAL – RENEW !!!
Since the early 1980’s and before
the LAKELAND CHIEFS and the
OLD FORGE BLUE DEVILS had a strong rivalry going
and in recent years the both have scrimmaged
I am happy to announce
LAKELAND will play OLD FORGE week 2 the
next two years
the new schedule for the 2 year cycle for
LAKELAND (AA) is as follows ……
week
1 at Northwest area (A)
2 at Old Forge (A) –
3 Valley View (AAA) *
4 at Nanticoke (AA)
5 Lackawanna Trail (A) –
6 Montrose (AA)
7 Dunmore (A) *
8 at Honesdale (AAA)
9 at Riverside (AA)
10 Western Wayne (AA)
* long time rival
– past rival renew
The Class A game was one of the best championship games I’ve watched in awhile. Old Forge had the size of a AAAA school very impressed by that team. I feel for them that was a heartbreak loss.
The Class AAA game I was disappointed in McDevitt thought they should have won the game coming in. They might have emptied the tank last week in their win vs Erie Prep. However, give credit to Wood they played great defense and played a dominating style of football with their ground game and controlled the 2nd half. Could very well see these two teams in hershey next year for a rematch.
You guys know I’m not a A guy by a long stretch. I gotta say, that was one hell of a football game! I was gonna watch it for a minute, then two and a half hours later I’m holding my bladder cause I didn’t want to miss the FG attempt at the end. I had no rooting interest, honestly no strong interest before it started, but that game kept me on the edge of my seat from start to finish. Congrats to both teams for a very hard fought game.
I too, was surprised how the AAA game played out. I know Wood doesn’t have a passing game to speak of, but I figured they would be able to get off tackle for 5-10yds all night long. Andre Robinson is a terrific RB, didn’t think Wood would be able to shut him down. Man was I wrong! 3-0 at the half, and then 2 loooooong drives by Wood to start the second half, set the tone. All the while keeping Robinson in check. Good game for sure, but the A game stole the show for Friday this year.
thoughts on yesterday’s games?
That was the first time I saw Old Forge. They were very big for a single a school. NC going for two in OT was very gutsy. Overall great game.
I was very surprised with the AAA game. The way Wood shutdown MCDevitt on offense was impressive. Very well coached team and you can see Carey’s influence on the line play. Being a line coach myself i have the utmost respect for that.
It will be interesting to see if Hatboro Horsham loses their coach to Norristown. Apparently the coach teaches in the Norristown district. It’s a shame that HH isn’t seen as a destination like it once was. Kapusta ? I think is his name did a good job with minimal talent.
Red Dawg
No doubt those teams can play with Gateway. But for a team that is always highly ranked in 4A makes for an instant title contender in 3A. Heck im sure they will be glad that they wont have to knock heads with PCC,USC,and NA any longer. Remember they nearly knocked of PCC in the D7 quarters.
A dominating performance by Wood. Seeing a higher level of competition week after week is the difference. Congrats to the Vikings and a repeat in 2014 is real possibility.
@Jive
They been hearing the same ‘rumors’ all year. I can say, the Tep kids are all brought in to the program. I read somewhere their Sophomore TE (Upshur) just got two scholarship offers today to Temple and Arizona St, this is what will keep them stable and untouched. The said school you are referring to has not announce it yet nor have they had any interviews. At the most, it will only affect two players (as you can tell) and Tep will be fine next year in 3A. Someone may be trying to keep the door close by telling every other potential candidate that it has already been bolted shut..
Game is postponed.
@Mphillips2222,
Do you know Phillips and phillips2222? I think each school that wins gets 1,000,000 dollars. Most Catholic schools put that money towards communion wafers and stained glass windows. Most public schools use it towards recruiting. Buying cars for players and houses for their parents. I don’t know if that is 100% accurate, just what I heard.
@ Jive
you and I are the same page about what we are talkin about.. deff goin to be interesting.. heard its a done deal
@17th,
I don’t doubt that lots of football people in the city know what we’re talking about. However, it has been a major, major, major issue for people living outside of D12 for years. Folks have issues with 2 and 3 kids leaving a school and going to another. You think it won’t be an issue when 10-15 do it?
I heard Saturday’s games postponed
saturday games postponed till sunday from the looks of it
Hoping for 4 good games this weekend! Don’t really follow A, but pulling for Old Forge. I think South Fayette will give Imhotep a run for their money, but size kills, and Tep has size in bunches. AAA game might end up being the best game. I think lots of scoring and a back and forth battle. I’m going with McD in a shootout. Prep is gonna have their hands full with PCC. I said in week one that Prep would win the state, so I’m gonna stick by it. However, I wouldn’t bet my first born on it. If the game is close, it’s anybody’s game. If it’s a blowout, I think PCC will be on the big score side.
@Russ,
I heard a bit in passing after the Del-Val/Roxborough brawl, but nothing definitive. At the Catty/Imhotep game I heard it numerous times. Can’t get anybody involved to give me an absolute answer, but generally when people don’t want to answer, it leans towards gonna happen. Apparently it’s a done deal, as far as who’s getting the job, just waiting to announce it. If it plays out like I’m hearing, it will be a very hot topic next season. PIAA might have to actually start enforcing their rules with this one.
Is their any payout for winning the states?
I understand because public league can’t has a restriction with kids they can get when catholic private league schools can pick and choose players no matter where they live. It helps when you have no drop off with your backups. Or you can sub players in and have no worry.
Saturday games are moved to Sunday @ the same time.
I live in the district 11 area and teams here say they dont know why the piaa allows teams in the tournament that can get players from different school districts areas
I just seen on pcn the games saturday were postponed till sunday
@jiveturkey @eric : what you Said is true! Public schools can only get players from their area while catholic private can go to bum f*** epygt and get him.
Is their any payout for teams that win states?
@ David Mika
That was latin for “I don’t run/hide from the Truth”
Verum ego non decurunt ex
@The Truth
I don’t agree with what I said but the facts is the crying/squeaky wheel gets greased.
@Jive
I am pretty sure I know what your talking about I don’t think it is such a big issue and I wasn’t sure it has even been approved.
HEY WITH THIS WEATHER COMING INTO TOMORROW, WILL THEY STILL PLAYS THESE GAMES ? I KNOW THEY HAVE BEFORE JUST MAKING SURE BEFORE POSS FAMILY ROAD TRIP… THANKS FOOTBALL FANS OF [PA]…..
AAAA PCC 34 – St Joes’s 20
AAA McDevitt 32 – Wood 14
AA IC 42 – South Fatette 13
A Old Forge 27 – North Catholic 14
Eric
Really? Thanks for the late breaking insight. Where did you see these Public School complaints? I don’t think anyone has heard about this. Please share anything that you can.
@Jive
I think we are talking about the same thing and you are right about changing the game.. that was heard half way thru the season on my end..
PCC over St. Joe’s 42-28
McDevitt over Wood 35-21
Imhotep over South Fayette 28-21
North Catholic over Old Forge 21-14
There is alot of complaints from public schools how they cant compete with private schools because public schools only have players from 1 school district where a private school gets players from multiple school district private schools handle thinga like collages and i think they should investigete certain high schools like they do collages
Russ, are we both talking about a coaching change of sorts? We may be on the same page here. Don’t think it is out there big time yet, but it’s an absolute game changer for sure.
Jive and Russ,
Tell me Tell me Tell me!!!!!!!!
Colin
Gateway a great program but Imhotep,Wood, Erie prep McD can all
Play with Gateway.
RedDawg…..we DO agree on that ..AAA is going to be absolutely loaded next year….WOW!
@Jive
Wood is the best choice of the 3 to give the others a run for their money but they are staying 3A.. about the bombshell you are talking about.. if it is what i think it is, that news was heard by some people weeks ago but decisions werent going to be made til after the season..
@OL Coach
the question i asked was with ryan moving down that makes 5 teams in the 3A next year.. is the 3A having 5 teams compared to 4 and the 4A having 4 teams instead of 5…
RedDawgs,
If Gateway is dropping to 3A thats a complete game changer for the 3A division next year.
@PHillips2222
I don’t think there are enough Catholic schools to make that worth while. Especially when many of them are having trouble keeping there doors open.
Phillips, why not have a basketball champion for teams with guys under 6ft tall. Segregation ended long ago. Let the high school kids play against other high school kids, and may the best team win.
@ol, I mentioned Bonner and Ohara because I was having a conversation with Russ. I am well aware of why teams play in enrollment classes. However, it is not unheardof for a team to play a class above their enrollment. Thanks though.
Why not put all the catholic league private league schools in one conference division on the east coast as well as west coast and divide them up by enrollment? Would also do the same thing for public schools gives public league champs a championship and catholic private school league’s it’s own
championship.
Hope this makes sense.
Jive
No list yet, but I will say AAA across the board will be awesome next year. Imhoptep,Wood, Ryan, Gateway, Thomas Jefferson, Mcd, Erie Prep, Berwick, Selinsgrove….
@Jive, Ryan isn’t “making a move”; Ryan’s enrollment no longer meets the requirements for AAAA.
Wood and Ryan will both be playing AAA since it’s what their enrollment labels them. Schools don’t change their class every two years based on what they believe their roster looks like down the road, nor should they. For scheduling and many other reasons, schools prefer to remain in a class not jump around every 2 years.
Imhotep is playing up at AAA and I’m sure Coach Crosby is confident they can remain at AAA indefinitely or at least for the foreseeable future.
WC will continue to play up at the AA class as they have since joining the PIAA.
I’m not sure why you would even mention schools like O’Hara, Lansdale or Bonner moving up; actually, their next moves whenever that may be will most likely be down a class if enrollments continue to decline in PCL schools. It will happen if and when their enrollment shrinks enough that they are no longer AAA. LC is not very far from the AA cutoff as it is.
Hopefully, enrollments will stabilize and then begin to increase at PCL schools but it’s highly doubtful.
@RedDawgs,
Thanks man, I was going on speculation with teams moving classes. That was kind of a hot topic at the Prep/Neshaminy game. Consensus was Ryan moving down and Wood moving up. I’m not shocked Wood stayed in AAA, was hoping for a move up though. Is there a list of some sort posted? Curiosity running on this one!
@phillyboy,
I don’t see inter-ac moving into PIAA. Stranger things have happened, but they would have to change a lot of things before they do. I see a bunch of kids going to inter-ac schools for high school and you see them over the year and their in 8th grade again. Talking about good students. I think PIAA would frown upon that.
Jive
Decisions had to be handed in yesterday. Confirmed
Ryan 3A
Wood 3A
Imhotep 3A
I meant Wood staying 3A
Wood staying 4A
@Russ,
I’ve heard Ryan is going down to AAA, and Wood up to AAAA. Don’t know if it’s true, but I’ve heard it quite a few times and that is the buzz around here. Probably the best time for both teams to make that move. Wood loses very few impact players, so they should give the 2014 AAAA a heck of a run. Ryan loses a bunch of impact players, so going down gives them their best shot of competing in 2014. I don’t see O’Hara or Bonner moving up, they would have no chance in the AAAA PCL. Haven’t heard anything about Imhotep moving up, but I don’t think right now is the right time for them to move up. I will tell you why next week.
@ Jive
You got a bombshell, huh? Let me venture a wild guess: the Inter-Ac is joining the PIAA.
Wow 17th and G… “Et tu Bute?”
Jive,
I wait with breathless anticipation 🙂
rumer has it the Imotep moved to 3A.. Ryan is dropping to 3A… and Caaroll and Lansdale swithed.. someone from the 3A- Wood/Ohara/ Bonner moving up to 4A or is there going to be 5 teams in the 3A next year instead of 4?
Imhotep to play AAA next year
@17th,
I don’t want to take away from the kids playing this weekend. After some thought I realize they should be getting all of the press this week. However, Sunday starts a new week. I’m still checking with my sources, but if the info I’m getting is correct, I’ve got a bombshell for you guys. Hoping for 4 good games and no major injuries this weekend. Good luck to all involved!
The D12 “open enrollment” situation will not change. If anything Charter Schools will only grow in the Philadelphia area. If you think about it they have the best of both worlds. They are private schools funded by the City of Philadelphia. The ability to educate is in question but they are not going away. As soon as Albie and his Crew win the State Championship with a legitimately developed program in 2013 or 2014; the other Philly Charters will go through trophy envy and the unscrupulous movement to win will rise to a ridiculous level.
Eventually, the PIAA is going to have to do something about D12 but don’t expect it in the near future. On the other side of the state the WPIAL is another issue until recently (2008) it was the WPIAL against the state but there were no complaints. Now it has become the WPIAL and D12 against the state and it will soon be addressed.
In another post I stated if there were all PUBS in the finals there would be no issue. I will expand on that comment, if there were all PUBS and AAAA, AAA and AA were from the D12 there would be an even bigger issue, especially if they were Charters.
@Billy Splain
Cool. My grandfather was on the schoolboard when Curry was hired. Helped him get to Berwick. So I will always have a soft spot for Curry. Wish he never would have left. Wonder how the team would have been those years.
@jive…right on.
@DanD…I’m well aware of the Felder situation..lol…I am a berwick product and grew up 3 houses away from Curry…was just bustin ya on the felder recruited remark…I actually keep in touch with him, he’s a great, great story of success out of adversity.
Thanks Billy, starting to make much more sense to me now. We have a completely different setup in Philly from the rest of the state. We might be a little misunderstood how others do it and vice versa. I’ll use Allentown as an example, no clue if they have a charter school, just an example. So I move to Allentown near Parkland. My option for a public would be Parkland, and only Parkland. If they had a charter over by Salisbury, I would have the option to apply there. I could also go to ACC, but Salisbury HS would not be an option. Where as in Philly it doesn’t matter where I live, I can go to any school that will have me. I agree with tsaf, everybody’s opinion is gonna be biased towards where they live, that’s just what we know. People in Philly are gonna say, “why can’t kids in Allentown go to any school they want”? And people from Allentown are saying, “why do you get bus fare to go to a school 15 miles away, when you could walk to school 3 blocks away”. Both legitimate points. Which is the better option? I don’t know, certainly not up to me to decide that. Just wanted to see how everybody else looks at it, so I can understand where everybody is coming from on their points. Personally, I have a kid in my local Catholic school HS. The local public is on the state top 10 list for being unsafe, and the local charters don’t offer football. I’m a big fan of having my kid close to home, so really my only option is to write the check every month.
tsaf77
Open enrollment can’t even exist in a school district with one high school. How many school districts in this state still have multiple high schools? We have open enrollment in Wilkes-Barre Area, but we only have the three high schools, not 80. I suppose a Wilkes-Barre City all star team could be assembled if all the good players decided to go to one city school. I just don’t see that ever happening. Too much politics.
Jive
In D2, we only have two (2) Catholic High Schools, Holy Cross and Holy Redeemer. We also have one Jesuit High School, Scranton Prep. There were many more Catholic High Schools a few years ago, (Bishop Hoban, Bishop Hannon, Bishop O’Hara, Bishop O’Reilly, Seton Catholic) but they were all consolidated into the two current High Schools.
As far as I know, we only have one “private school” Wyoming Seminary. They are a Prep School that goes up to the 13th grade (5th year seniors). Sem does compete in the PIAA in certain sports like Field Hockey and Basketball. But their Football team and Wrestling team (ranked 2nd the nation) play a prep school schedule and are not in the PIAA.
To answer your question, we call Sem a “Prep School” and the Catholic schools “private schools”. Like I said in another post, I know of only one Charter school in my area, and that is a grade school. Most people around here are totally unfamiliar with the charter school concept. And, to be honest, if it weren’t for this thread, I would have no clue about charters either.
@Billy Splain
Felder wasn’t recruited. He was at a Job Corps for toubled youth. SOmeone who knew the Berwick program suggested he enroll back in high school. I was just saying withouot moving to a better situation his life may be different now. That is why i don’t have a problem with kids going to private school. Berwick actually has Catholic schools only till the 8th grade. There is plenty of Berwick kids who actually make 1 hour drive to go to private schools just to go to better school system. Nobody cares because it doesnt involve big sport students. It is the kid and parents decision and if they want to better themselves let them transfer.
@Jive I think most see public as public, catholic and charter as private due to the fact that you have to apply and enroll in those schools. I do believe a lot of fans lump charter in with catholic just due to the fact that charters, like catholic, have no boundaries and many don’t realize what a charter really is. You won’t find many across the state with your view of private because outside of philly they don’t really have any.
@tsaf..good info. I do think that is where most have the problem with the cath/pub debate. A member of our forums put out these numbers: http://www.keystonesportstalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14977
@footballmom…I’m not trying to offend you. Open debate is a good thing. There’s more to talk about when it comes to football than just stats. It’s a football environment. Please respect everyone’s right to talk about any football subject. As you can tell, many don’t think it’s ridiculous. Good luck to your son this weekend.
@ Billy Splain
The number is actually generous in giving privates 18%. The number from last rotation is closer to 13% of all schools that participate in football. That number can shrink even more for this upcoming numbers analysis. All you have to do is take the time to go through the 579 schools in the PIAA and view their status, to which there are 3 (private, public and yes, charter). Isn’t it funny that the PIAA has given Charter its own category and chose not to list it with public.
The argument of this concept has been around for a long time. It hasn’t just come up, it is processing an issue with the PIAA. No matter where you are from, you will have a somewhat bias opinion. The issue revolves around the fact that yes District 12 has an “open enrollment” policy that people from the other Districts don’t understand and “most” D12 guys don’t understand why everyone else has a problem with it.
The reason everyone else has a problem and brings it up is that “Open Enrollment” doesn’t really happen much outside of D12. Sure the talent pool is filled in Philly, they have great athletes. It’s the numbers that also play a key role.
Example.
Philadelphia County has a population of 1.5 million people with 42 schools that offer football. 12 schools are private (with kids attending outside Philly County). You are also dealing with 11,100 people per square mile in Philly County. To acquire very good and talented teams is not out of the ordinary with those numbers and “open enrollment.”
To compare, look at District 2. You have 160 people per square mile without open enrollment. You couldn’t have “open enrollment” because kids would be bussed 2 hrs to school in some cases. I am not trying to inundate everyone with fuel however just showing reality.
@ OL Coach
1st, your idea of opening a Charter in D2 wouldn’t work. Maybe in Scranton or Hazleton but that is pushing it and you still wouldn’t get the numbers to be remotely close to Philly County. Come out of D12 and see the rest of society because that comment to Billy doesn’t really make much sense.
Secondly, I am not going to name students on a high school football blog. I guess you don’t work in education. Some call it recruiting others call it “Better opportunities” as the reason transfers occur in the PCL. I have stated before, I have very happy relatives after last weekend who were excited their Alma-mater made it to the final in SJP. I am happy for SJP, everyone affiliated and hope they win the state. I am fine with my relatives bragging because they don’t deny the “better opportunities” of SJP. It is what it is, just don’t deny it! It is the people that seek the “Blind Side” or ESPN 30 for 30 stories with their program and deny “open enrollment” as a means of acquiring a talented team. It’s fine, just don’t preach poverty!
Can I also argue the whole D12 AA, AAA and AAAA teams getting a BYE, absolutely! It is a fact and flaw within the PIAA. Prove me wrong on it.
Projected STATE WINNERS for P.I.A.A FOOTBALL
CLASS -A-
OLD FORGE 22
NORTH CATHOLIC 3
CLASS -AA-
SOUTH FAYETTE 30
IMHOTEP CHARTER 14
CLASS -AAA-
ARCHBISHOP WOOD 33
BISHOP McDEVITT 20
CLASS -AAAA-
ST JOSEPH’S PREP 42
PITTSBURGE CENTRAL CATHOLIC 31
anyone else with predictions for this weekend?
I think the most interesting game is the AAA one. Can McDevitt finally get over the hump or is AW too physical for them?
The othe rgame that has me intrigued is the Old Forge game. I dont know much about either squad, but i do not think NC has faced a team as physical as Old Forge.
Should be a good weekend.
@billysplain please don’t tell me to calm down. I was just making a statement on how all of this talk about recruiting is ridiculous. This fan blog should be about football.
Just one question. This may sound silly, maybe not. This is not trying to start any kind of controversy or debate, just curious about something. We all might have been locked in a debate that we all use different verbiage for. In Philly we call public schools, public schools. We also include charters as public schools (Frankford, Imhotep). We call the Catholic schools, Catholic schools (Archbishop Wood, Father Judge). And we call our private schools, private schools (Malvern, Germantown Academy). The term private school to us, in the Philly are, refers to those $30k per year schools with 5th year seniors, and not participating in PIAA. Just curious if you guys in the other parts of the state look at it the same way? Lots of times we get into these long debates and at the end we do the old “oh that’s what you guys call that, we call it this”. Like I said, I am not trying to debate anybody on this. I honestly don’t care if you call a Catholic a private, or a spoon a fork. Just curious is all.
Here’s a shout out to Boston College RB Andre Williams (Parkland 2010) and his Heisman Trophy Candidacy. Nice to see a local Eastern PA high school player get invited to NY for the show! Congrats Andre!
@philips2222 someone on our forums posted this number: “The percentage of private schools in the PIAA is 18.45 percent.” That person is pretty knowledgeable and a trustworthy source.
Mr Curry was highly complimentary of Archbishop Wood in the clip I saw at WNEP.com. He’s a class act all the way. Never in my life has George Curry made an excuse or run away from a challenge.
They don’t make em like him any more. Curry, Roth, Pettine, Diminick…all cut from the same cloth.
trad31….I understand that reading something on the internet lends to self interpretation, that said, I never said they couldn’t compete. What I did say is, having seen CBW teams and having seen current teams…these teams are loaded top to bottom whereas those cbw teams had a good group of talent. I never make it a point to say “x” from the 90s would compete with “y” from now…it’s pointless and could never be proven. it’s like saying the 80s 49ers could compete with the current Patriots franchise. You’d never know because football has changed. Players have changed. Size, speed, knowledge, x’s and o’s..it all changes.
@kmac…….thanks man, I love talking high school football and for the most part this current debate has been excellent and well represented on all 13 sides. LOL! One more weekend, hard to believe! We’ll be releasing our Hershey previews Thursday, be sure to tune in!
@ footballmom…calm down…nobody here is criticizing your kids. not one. Some just have a problem with fairness of the rules of boundaries and I believe everyone has a right to an opinion and to be heard. We hear at EasternPAFootball try our best to present a forum for all. As long as a comment is not insulting we’ll give you fans a place for football talk, debate and camaraderie. Look for some exciting new changes to our site in the future. We’ll be posting a poll for suggestions and “wants” to improve our site.
@DanD….Felder was recruited???
and to everyone, thanks for all your support this year!!!!
I agree with David Mika. Let’s move on. We’ve spent the whole year arguing about everything and doing nothing. If it really means that much to anyone here, contact the PIAA or local representative or whoever, but it’s time to move on. Nothing will be done on this website or any other about it, and the state championships are here.
As a fan of football, I’m hoping for 4 good games. We’ll see what we get. But I’ll throw a few predictions out there:
AAAA
Pittsburgh Central Catholic – 42
St. Joseph’s Prep – 24
AAA
Bishop McDevitt – 33
Archbishop Wood – 27
AA
Imhotep Charter – 28
South Fayette – 19
A
North Catholic – 20
Old Forge – 18
Good luck to all the teams this week, and congratulations.
How many catholic and public schools are in pa?
Trad
That CBWest team was awesome. I watched them play several times that year. Their smash mouth power football was typical Mike Carey style. You knew it was coming and you still couldn’t stop it. Wood 11′ was very similar in makeup. Huge Offensive line littered with athletes. I have seen discussion on here as to who would win if they ever played.. Who cares? different eras….and two nationally ranked teams..I say it would be a tie:) But man, it would have been a great game.
WOW! You people on here are OBSESSED with Berwick and Philly recruiting. How about just enjoying the football. I hope none of you are Yankee, Dodger or Red Sox fans because what they do is basically the same thing but on a much larger scale!
@ Billy Splain you must have a short memory…”Why wouldn’t it be easy when you are running behind an offensive line that averages 270 pounds per man?-12/14/98 Philadelphia Inq. after C.B. West’s 56-7 state title win. A line which included Ben Carber 6’3 310 (University of Virginia) and Joe Wilson 6’3 285 with TB Dustin Piciotti running behind them who had over 1,900 yards and 41 tds who btw was 6’3 235. All 3 were Big School All State Offense. Throw in on defense Bryan Buckly 6’1 220 lb and Greg Genzel 5’9 195 Lb who were Big School All State Defense. To say they would not compete with Imhotep, Wood, Mcdevitt etc is just crazy
Amen to you David Mika!
@Reddawgs77
@Jiveturkey
It’s all good. It’s nice to know there is passion everywhere for football. Berwick would always get blamed for the same things that these schools now are going through. I’d be defending my local team or teams just as much. The truth is the kids are just doing what is best for them. In ’96 was Gus Felder recruited to Berwick. Who really knows. All I do know is he was a kid who unfortunately was probably not going to be going anywhere in life and because of his ability to play football ended up with a scholarship to Penn St. A degree from Penn St. and then I believe he is a teacher now. I know he was also coaching at Gratz in Philly. So I totally get what these kids are doing and I would send my boys to a school like that if I had the chance. Like I said I’m cheering for Wood so hopefully Berwick can come back next year and beat the best in the state plus they are an Eastern team. I said it on here a few times Curry has always been someone to help kids at other schools get into college and is always a gracious loser. It gives him the motivation to come back the next year and be that much better. So public/private who cares. Just play and have fun!!
David
Good post to put an end to this ridiculous back and forth. It really diminishes what Wood has accomplished and unfair to the players. And quite frankly, it was starting to diminish what Berwick has accomplished this year as well. They had a great season, but lost to a better team-plain and simple. It happened to Wood in 08, when they got pounded in the Finals but a far superior Thomas Jefferson team. I’m glad you put the comments from Coach Curry on here as the Berwick folks surely listen to him. He seems like he gets it. The Berwick football facebook page set up a separate link to discuss their loss to a “recruiting” school. Some of the comments posted on there are completely false. One said a kid transferred from a different state(Delaware).. Thanks for posting what you did and shutting down the other thread. Hopefully a good weekend of football at all classes is upon us.
@David Mika
Thank You!
@football Mom, thanks for the comment. This site has become a gripe forum that beats the proverbial horse to death. I’m tired of hearing about how many D1 prospects a school has or if school A shouldn’t be on the same field with school B. The vast majority of kids who play football do so for the competition and love of the game. I knew when the state playoffs started in 1988, people would downplay all other aspects of high school football, which is supposed to be an extension of the classroom, supplementing the education experience. Yes, it,s great to win a state title, and kids that do will remember it for the rest of their life. However, our preoccupation with being #1 shouldn’t allow us to forget the teams that get rewarded for making district playoffs, but don’t have the type of programs that resemble junior college programs in emphasis and results. And as an aside, if you throw out all the arguments for or against recruiting, it stands to reason the larger the population and/or the area to draw from, the better the talent
Slow clap for David! Very nice post!!! Everyone reel it in and stay classy!!!
I really don’t think any schools are really going out recruiting.
When Berwick, CB West, Mount Carmel and Southern Columbia were winning state championships everyone said they were recruiting.
It seems if you are winning you are recruiting, right?
Do you blame a kid to go to a school that is always on top?
I have to address something.
It seems that some adults on this site are acting like little kids. I was talking to George Curry this morning about the gentlemen who passed away on the sidelines and my thoughts go out to his family.
But, some bad fans are acting like spoiled brats and making it look like Berwick football program is whining about losing to Wood on this site and others.
Well I can tell you they aren’t and I talked to Mr. Curry he said good things about Wood and can’t wait to play them again one day.
So he wanted me to past on that a few bad apples are making their program look bad and that they players, coaches and school has nothing to do with it.
So, let’s talk about the state championship games and move on.
If you have an issue contact the PIAA not write about it on a social media site.
Looking at the comments from Lower Dauphin’s coach, it appears that they were beaten, at least mentally, before the game even started.
“We ran into a buzz saw today. That’s a quality football team. I’ve got to be honest with you, after the first play, just the hitting that went by, I knew it. We saw it on film. We knew how good they were.” – Falcons head coach Rob Klock
“They were a different monster. Unfortunately, every good thing has to come to an end unless you win it all. They had all the size, all the weapons. It’s hard to keep up with them coming out of Hummelstown. They were basically the Pittsburgh all-stars.” – Lower Dauphin lineman David Wuestner
@tsaf77, list the PCL players from De, Md and NJ other than SJP kids from NJ which is closer to the school than 90% of Philadelphia is.
Just the name and school name; thanks.
@billy splain, here’s my Christmas wish for you and don’t blow it off as impossible. It’s also a wish for those who join your tearful serenade.
I hope some educator hoping to make a quick buck (as in Philly) opens a charter school in your local school district. I hope they then hire a football coach with great ties to the community, to youth football and to 7 on 7 teams. I then hope kids in your school district, let’s say half of the athletes, decide they want to enroll and play for this coach. So, your local public team will be decimated but you can’t blame the kids, they’re just doing what is best for them. Crazy, huh? Oh, one last thing, even though these kids are just doing what is best for them, you have to hear people whine about their decision every single day.
Then, you’ll really have something to cry about.
@Tweak,
Let’s worry about the future in the future. What you call recruiting, others call open enrollment, it’s been going on for 30 years. I will take the 5th on what I call it.
@DanD,
To clarify what I said. I said the players from Berwick played with heart, and played their asses off. I didn’t diminish any thing those boys accomplished, they had a very good year. I agree with your post from top to bottom, aside from me somehow bashing the team. If more Berwick fans were like you, I doubt there ever would have been an issue.
@billy,
The open enrollment thing could turn into an issue, no doubt. However, it’s been around for 30 years, and it hasn’t been a problem. If it does become a problem, then hopefully a solution will be found. I just don’t think right now is the time to get excited. This year there are 5 Catholic and 3 Public, last year was 6 Pub 2 Cath, next year could be 4 and 4. I think it will work itself out.
Seriously these comments on this page are ridiculous!!!! A bunch of grown men whining about which school has the better team & its unfair that Catholic teams play public teams. Really???? Damn the kids just want to play ball and get into a good college. Man up and talk about football stats!!
We should all let this play out over a few years and then look at facts. Right now were only looking at a small sample of years so of course the public schools have more appearances. Though Wood has made it to the semifinals or better every year since they came in to the playoffs. If this continues then it may be a problem. Or they could just be on a streak. Berwick had that same streak from 88-97. Southern somehow has had that streak for 20 years. Mount Carmel in the 90’s. CB West for 10 years. Clairton the last 5. It all goes in circles. If we come back in 5-10 years and it is only catholic schools in finals every year then it may be a problem. As a Berwick fan I choose not care about whether these schools recruit or not. I hope that we just get bigger, stronger and faster and beat them. It will make it that much better if we do. I’m pretty sure we beat St. Ignatious(a far more superior team then any of these teams in ’98). Maybe next year or the year after we meet again and we win. They may be getting the kids now but who knows in a couple years. Being from Berwick I can tell you these kids will be competing and looking for a way out the town…lol Great for football and unfortunately not that much else anymore. On a side note Berwick does have a power plant with high paying jobs if any parents have kids 6’4″ 225…lol
@trad31 I saw a couple of those teams live. In no way are they as big and athletic as the Wood/Imhotep/Mcdevitt/Cathedral Prep teams. For comparison let’s also not forget CBW was a HUGE school district and should have had tons of talent because they drew from a huge area. How are those teams now that their district draw is much smaller due to the splits? Compare that to small catholic schools, how much talent should those schools have if they drew from the same sized area that the new Cbucks teams draw? Accordingly they should also be struggling but they aren’t.
My point is simple, the rules are unfair. My argument has nothing to do with Berwick losing. My concern is for teams all over the state.
@ Jive…I know that Imhotep is public, I also understand that there are many charter schools that struggle in sports. However, their focus may be different. My concern about charters is simple, the unfairness of rules of boundaries COULD turn into a huge issue.
@17th i think you hit the nail on the head.Coaching most of the school in the Lackawanna conference have a policy if you dont work for the school you cant be a head coach.That really shrinks the pool of candidates,plus most dont have a full time A.D
@Facts,
I made the same comment this afternoon about the charter/public school thing. Still awaiting moderation. Maybe that’s something that is a Philly only thing. I don’t know. I honestly have no clue why all of this debate is going on. The numbers lean towards the publics 3 fold, but Berwick lost to Wood, so there has to be something wrong with the system. I do understand why folks are trying to find an excuse, I just don’t understand why they would stand by it after seeing the facts. It is what it is! Everybody is certainly entitled to their opinion, even if we don’t agree. Hey, you going to Holy Family this week for Tep/Roman? If so, let’s meet up and make the formal introduction.
@ trad31,
You forgot to mention one thing about the CB West teams. They were constantly accused of the “R” word!…Hey wait they are a public school right?
Didn’t public schools win 3 of the 4 state titles last year (2012) occupying 6 of the 8 finals slots?
AAAA NORTH ALLEGHENY vs Coatesville
AAA CATHEDRAL PREP vs Archbishop Wood
AA WYOMISSING vs Aliquippa
A CLAIRTON vs Dunmore
(winners in CAPS)
I see. It’s only a crisis when the Catholic schools outnumber the public schools.
In a sense recruiting is a microcosm of human nature; everybody wants their own success regardless of how it effects others, a sort of musical chairs dog eat dog scenario. Of course, there’s nothing wrong with wanting to put oneself in a better, more favorable position but that’s what exacerbates any disparity. It’s the same psychology for real estate; everybody wants to be in the best neighborhood so it adds fuel to the fire, the better neighborhoods get better and the worse neighborhoods get worse. That’s why I totally respect the kids that are content to play for their home district even if it means playing for a weaker program. If more kids did that then suddenly it would become a stronger program.
Just for the heck of it, I went back and read the last 200 or so comments on last years fan blog. Nobody, and I mean nobody, had an issue with the evil Catholic empire. Did that have anything to do with 6 of the final 8 teams being public schools? Amazing how nobody had a care in the world about Imhotep after they lost to Wyomissing. I like debating topics as much as anybody, but all the facts are adding up to a big pile of sour grapes. I haven’t read one comment from Neshaminy fans about how they got shafted because they had to play Prep. No Berks Catholic fans crying either. My guess is because they know how to win and lose with class. You wanna be the best? Then beat the best! I have figured out how to classify the state, to make everybody happy. Districts 2, 4, and 11, aside from 11 AAAA, should have their own playoffs. Districts 1, 3, 11 AAAA, and 12 will compete against the rest of the state. If the Catholic schools in the “I don’t want to play anybody good conference” want to play in the “may the best team win conference”, they would be welcome. Face it, they would be the most logical teams to complain about after the evil empire is gone.
Billy, Jive, phillyboy, Doug, et al.
Thank you for a great forum the last many posts. Discussion, debate, in a proper manner without use of derisive terms. Points made and countered and lots of information to ponder on. Thank you all!
That said, anyone else predicting the game outcomes? I think Prep has a big challenge in PCC. McDevitt cannot have forgotten a 52-0 loss to Wood. IMHO may have too much, but will face one of the best QBs in the state. And Old Forge-PNC? Flip a coin!??!?
Billy,
At least your bringing some ideas. In previous posts I mentioned how the “Just throw the no boundary schools into 4A” idea wouldn’t work. For every PCC, Wood, Erie Prep etc you have Delco Christian, Calvary Christian, MArian Catholic etc. HAving those schools play in 4A would just be silly. The 5A thing would be something that I think could gain some traction. However it was proposed a few years back and was quickly squashed once D7 threatened to leave the PIAA. D7 was against it because it adversely effected their playoffs…..The NON-Public division im not so sure about either. Just how long would a Non public division last before it would just not be worth it? In case anyone hasn’t noticed the Catholic school option is increasingly shrinking by the year. Just in the last few years North Catholic, Cardinal Dougherty, Reading Cath, St Pius, KK, have all closed with many more on the endangered species list. And I know im forgetting a few…..There is just no cut and dry solution. I know ill get some flack for this but the best solution is to do nothing at least for now. In 5-10 years we can look at things and if it gets worse then maybe some change is in order.
Most of this debate was fairly predictable when the final numbers came out this weekend and AAAA and AAA were all Catholics. If the situation was reversed their would be ZERO debate for 2013.
Just a warning about splitting the divisions and adding the additional Non-Public championship,the Privates will get bigger, recruit harder and raid your rosters. A simple solution to the current state of affairs, change your Union regulations and allow Public Schools to sign good coaches. I know it will never happen but it would offset the imbalance immediately. I know you have driver instructor/coaches out there but what professional would accept that position to be a football coach. In a nut shell! The Publics have better facilities, equipment and fields but as a whole (not entirely)the coaching is sub-par.
Build a winning program and the players will stay!!
@ JiveTurkey
To reiterate Billy’s point, it’s not the past that’s concerning – it’s the future. The trend is that “recruiting” or whatever anyone wants to call it, is having a greater effect in talent going away from public schools and collecting in private institutions.
In a way, it shouldn’t be a problem because those kids are just as entitled as any other to seek out their education and strive to be successful. But when it comes to athletics, in a system where public schools cannot have kids outside their district’s boundaries come to their school, in becomes an unfair competative advantage.
It’s not about who wins championships in the past, and it’s not about keeping private school kids away from the same things public school kids have, or vice-versa.
It’s about having a competative playing-field. That’s why they have clasifications in the sports, after all. I agree with Billy where there should be a re-classification, maybe add a 5A or something, because the gap is widening, and it’s only going to get worse.
Billy Splain the 97, 98, 99 CB West teams were LOADED with talent and were huge and athletic…. what are you talking about??
Prediction time:
A- Old Forge 28- North Catholic 13
AA- Imhotep 35- SOuth Fayette 21
AAA- McDevitt 41- Wood 20
AAAA- PCC 35- SJP 24
I’m from Berwick and I can’t believe all the stuff you guys take your quotes from. First Curry did say the stuff he said but he is a 69 year old coach who’s opinions can sometimes be to put it mild “Old Fashioned” as for the Berwick Dawgs facebook page it is ran by fans not some school official. Just because some “nutjobs” post things on Facebook it doesn’t speak for the whole town. Most people realize that to be quite honest this wasn’t Berwick’s most talented team. They definitely overachieved and as Wood does we have quite of bit of players coming back and hopefully they can meet up again try to win the game. This whole private vs public discussion kind of makes me laugh. In a perfect world it would be great if there was no recruiting but it happens and that is the way it is. They have a bigger pool to choose from. Berwick is a town of at most 12,000 people and for almost 40 years we’ve competed at the highest level. We had years where we had 7-10 kids go to Divison 1 schools. Did that make it unfair for the teams we played? It all goes in circles. We had a few down years and are now back on a upswing. All the kids who played in the 80’s and 90’s there kids are coming through and are bigger and stronger. With a young team we made the Final four of AAA. I think that is still a big accomplishment and to hear people like Reddawg and Jive put Berwick down it sucks. Were a community where there are no jobs and nothing going on but football and that is why you have some fans that take it to another level. This is all Berwick has. They did win a baseball state championship in ’08 and back in the late 90’s went to two straight state championships in girls basketball. Once again this coming from a small community. For me I’d be happy to see some of these kids move to Berwick and play. You want a chance at a state title come here. Remember you don’t have to pay like you do for catholic schools…LOL You can play for free. Plenty of people would welcome you into there home. It happens I promise. So I will be cheering for Wood this week and then maybe if Berwick can meet them again next year they can knock off the defending state champion. Just remember you read a couple message boards and facebook please take it for what it is worth. It isn’t the whole town but a select few just don’t get the world changes and we should be happy we have the chance to compete the way we are still 30 years after the first National Championship.
Billy, my tax dollars pay for charter schools. There is no tuition, they are public schools. The Philadelphia public school district spent over $700m on charter schools last year. D12 charters have exactly zero advantage over public schools, when it comes to athletics. Know why? Because they are public schools. I understand the open enrollment argument, I don’t think I would have any ammo to fight that battle. If coach Crosby would have gone to King HS. King, a traditional public, would be the team everybody is talking about. To lump all charters into AAAA would be a travesty. Imhotep is the only charter in D12 that has a very good team. I don’t know that the gap is beginning to widen, but it is definitely closing in football. Over the past 5 years Pub 13 Cath 7. Over the past 3 Pub 7 Cath 5. Basketball, on the other hand, is widening it’s gap towards the Pubs. 5 years Pub 16 Cath 4. 3 years Pub 10 Cath 2. You can’t just look at this one year, and call it a trend. The numbers would say it’s a fluke. If the Catholics start dominating, then it may be time for a change. Right now is just not the time for that debate. The Pubs, over the past 3 years, are winning chips at slightly over 50%, and dominating basketball. Will the time come when this is going to be an issue? Who knows, anything is possible. If we get a bunch of snow this year, it doesn’t mean we are turning into the North Pole. It just means we got a bunch of snow this year. Next year could be sunshine and margaritas. I guess I’m saying let’s not get caught up in one season. I’m from Philly. I have a bit of bias towards D12, some say perhaps more than just a bit.
Once again as I scrEAM IT LOud:
IMHOTEP CHARTER IS NOT A CATHOLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOL… THEY ARE A PUBLIC ACADEMIC FACILITY..
And anOTHer ShOUT:
THERE IS NO BOUNDARY REQUIREMENT FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN THE CITY OF PHILAhersheyDELPHIA..
ALL D12 PUBLIC SCHOOLS, IN A SENSE, HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES (but better due to no tuition) TO GET PLAYERS TO PLAY OR ATTEND THEIR SCHOOLS.. ONE BIG MELTING POT OF DOWN-HOME SOUTHEASTERN PA FOOTBALL TALENT..
Now that I finished screaming that, ask yourself why D12 public school football is not as good as D12 Catholic or Private school football?
It’s because of of the PTU (Philadelphia Teachers Union). See, in D12 public schools, only PTU members can be a HC and most (not all), some (not many), are there for the money and not football nor mentorship.
So since D12 can get their players from a Boundary-less pot of football gumbo; you old geezers are ready to put the whole D12 back out of the PIAA? Or will you man-up and coach your teams to be programs who will dominate in the class and on the field?
Once again, I report the following 2013 charter school records:
Furness Charter School was 1-10 this year
Delaware Valley Charter School was 3-9 this year
Olney Charter School was 4-7 this year
Boys Latin Charter School was 4-8 this year
School of the Future was 4-8 this year
Gratz Charter School was 5-7 this year
Prep Charter was 7-4 this year
Mastery Charter North was 10-2 this year
Imhotep Charter is 12-2 this year
Here is the 2013 D12 Catholic School records:
-Carroll 3-6 with loses from DelVal and Penn-Wood
-Egan 3-8 with loses from Roxborough and Truman
-McDevitt 2-7 with loses from Muhlenberg, Franklin, and Cheltenham
-Goretti 6-5 with loses from Springfield-Montco & South Philly
-Bonner 3-8 with a lost from Upper Darby
-Lansdale 6-4
-O’Hara 6-4 with a lost from Academy Park
-Roman Cath 4-7 with a lost from Downingtown East
So who will get their own league? Good Catholic football teams? Good Private football teams?
Let the kids play and the GREAT coaches coach, everyone else just have to catch up..
Jive…again, it’s a gap that is continuing to widen. I’ve acknowledged in the past that the cath/charters haven’t been…but I’m seeing a trend where they are starting to…as you said “you know it (“recruiting”) goes on, I’m saying that CURRENT trends may indeed be starting to show that.
you’re right about the girls and it not being a money sport…but even there it shouldn’t happen. The only current solution I can see in football is for all cath/charters to play in AAAA since that would be about what the population they can draw from is. btw…from where do you hail?
Billy, absolutely agree that girls basketball always has been, and always will be dominated by the Catholic schools. However, girls basketball is not a “money sport”. Ironically the dominant Catholic girls programs, at least in Philly, are kids playing in their geographic location. Wood, Carroll, O’Hara, and Ryan when they were good, are comprised of girls that go to their local school. I found boys basketball state champs going back to the year 2000.
AAAA Pub 14 Cath 0
AAA Pub 9 Cath 5
AA Pub 12 Cath 2
A Pub 6 Cath 8
Total Pub 41 Cath 15
Public wins 73% of boys basketball championships since 2000.
I’m pretty sure, in football, Catholic schools have never won more than 2 of the chips in any year. Pub has swept all 4, I think 4 times. Catholic schools have caught up with the pubs, and now it has become more competitive. So right now the Catholic teams are competing for championships, that have been dominated by the Pub for decades, and that’s an issue? I just don’t see how you can look at the numbers and come to a Catholic dominated conclusion. It’s the complete opposite.
@phillyboy…I didn’t say ohio has split, I said they have different solution…i.e. more classes.
@jive…As I said, the gap is only beginning to widen. In my opinion if it stays on the course it’s on that gap will continue to widen. As for basketball, I know the brackets. Both boys and girls playoff teams are dominated by catholic schools.
I really don’t have a solution. No, I don’t think the cath/pub titles should be split. Maybe something more with having another class, AAAAA, and those schools able to pull from larger regions must play in AAAA or AAAAA? i don’t know, all I know is I’ve seen a lot of teams the last few years and the gap in talent is alarming.
@ Billy Splain
Very well said. Made a lot of reasonable points. I’ve always favored keeping the public and private teams together. It makes for a more pure state championship and also if there is a separation then any potential disparity would get worse. (The only good thing about that is that I’m tired of the North Jersey teams dominating) One minor correction: you offered Ohio as an example of a state where the public and private are separate. That’s not true. Ohio is just like PA and Florida. One other thought is not to overreact. Just last year North Allegheny was the class of the PIAA and played another public team in the final.
@Billy,
I know you saw that on another forum, curious if the split championship is an opinion you agree with. I’m guessing it is, otherwise I doubt you would have posted it. Last school year the
“money sports” had 8 championship games. Public schools won 7 of the 8. I really don’t feel like going back and doing all of the research on basketball, but public schools have won 75% of the football championships over the past 10 years. I would be inclined to think basketball is at least 75% public, probably more. Why are people crying about Catholic schools winning such a small percentage of the championships? Do publics feel they should just be entitled to every trophy? Maybe we should stop keeping score in any game public schools participate in. We could give all of the kids a participation trophy, and call them all champions. I haven’t heard any complaints from the Philly public school people, so I guess they can compete for titles and pass on the participation award.
I did enjoy reading what your thoughts on this, I just don’t agree. Does it mean I’m right our your right? Nope, but I think the championship numbers speak for themselves. How much is the tuition, you mentioned, at Imhotep? What Catholic schools are dominating the basketball scene? As far as recruiting. It’s sad to say, and a complete disgrace, but I have first hand knowledge of teams talking to other schools players. I think it’s a real bad move, but it certainly goes on.
Billy,
Your observations appear to be spot on. Recruiting is a term that gets overused, though I do believe it happens. “Athletic Intent” is the phrase that more people should get familiar with. If any student transfers to a PIAA member school, with athletics being the primary motivation, then they are in violation of the transfer rules and should be banned for a period of no less than one year.
and now for my opinion on the subject:
I really think something needs to be done. I’ve covered games all over the state and I’ll say this: After seeing McDevitt, PCC, Imhotep and ECP I can honestly say their teams are absolutely loaded with talent from top to bottom. ECP/McD game looked like a small college game. I don’t remember any of those Berwick/Southern/Manheim or even the great CBW teams looking as athletic and large as those two teams. They are loaded from top to bottom.
Why?
I believe the landscape of football is changing. Teams in the WPIAL are getting smaller as population decreases. Focus on football is changing with the concussion problems, parents in small communities keeping kids out of football. That leaves those who want their kids to play football for a “way out” to make a choice. They can take a chance and leave them in their respected public schools or move them to a catholic/charter school that has a strong football program. I believe the later is what we are seeing, especially in the Pitt/Erie/Philly area. Yes, some will say “those kids came through the system”….but what system? The Imhotep school only started in 1998…I’m pretty sure a bunch of players went there recently when west catholic announced they may close. I willingly admit I don’t know a lot about Wood, St joes, ECP, PCC and others but I’d be willing to bet a good portion of those players didn’t meet until they were freshmen or sophomores. I’m not saying ALL, but I am saying a good portion (not even most, just a good portion).
I’d also like to say I’m NOT knocking those players and teams but I am knocking the system that has allowed this. It’s been extremely prominent in basketball.
If I could take this argument one step further let’s look at what sports the catholic/charter schools are prominently dominating now: basketball and football…you could realistically call them the “money sports” were there is the most to gain for the players. Baseball, wrestling, track, xcountry, soccer…those sports aren’t seeing the effects of “the system”. Why is that? Well, football and basketball draw bigger crowds and thus can be used as recruiting tools. Not just for the sport but for the school itself. More people see those successes, more people want their kids to be a part of that environment. Yes, those schools need to “recruit” to survive. They need students to come to their schools to pay tuition to survive.
And lastly, I think the term “recruit” should be modified when talking about those teams. I don’t think the coaches go to other kids on other teams and say “come here and play”, I think the school sells their product and people buy it.
Jersey, Ohio, Maryland have all found different solutions. PA hasn’t.
Well, those are my thoughts.
Saw this on another forum:
The PIAA acknowledges that private schools are oftentimes dominating the PIAA championship tournaments. A few years back, many high school principals sent a form letter to PIAA asking that separate championship tournaments be created for public and private schools. PIAA Executive Director Brad Cashman responded to the principals via letter, and said the following:
“We believe that the primary obstacle to substantial reform is the language of the existing legislation. Should you desire to effectuate substantial change, you may want to consider contacting your legislators and seeking an amendment of Section 511 (b.1) of the Public School Code of 1949, as amended.”
Because of their very nature, private schools are vastly different from public schools. Geographic boundaries must be adhered to on the public school level, while private schools have no such limitations. Thus, there aren’t uniform standards being followed. All schools, whether public or private, deserve to know who their respective champions are according to size and type of school.
You don’t have to look any further than New Jersey, New York or Maryland to see examples of states that crown separate public and private school state champions. Pennsylvania’s public schools realize that the 1972 law required the PIAA to admit private schools to the association’s membership rolls if the schools met the membership qualifications. That law requires that the private schools be given membership access, but it does not dictate that they be classified in the same manner as public schools.
When one considers the current classification system, schools are already being classified according to size and gender parameters. If the public and private schools have separate playoff tournaments, all schools would be classified according to “type” of school first. Public schools have no problem with private schools being members of the organization – it is the playoff structure that creates the problems. In fact, if separate playoffs are held for all sports, private schools will be helped from a competition standpoint in some sports.
To remedy this situation that continues yearly, we are asking legislators to do the following:
Propose legislation that ALLOWS (or permits) the PIAA to conduct separate public and private school championship tournaments in any sport where the PIAA Board of Control believes it is appropriate.
Now that there are no public teams left in AAAA I’m rooting for Prep all the way baby. I’m so tired of that PCC baloney. Be a nice time out there; get breakfast at Shady Maple, see Imhotep win AA gold and then hopefully Prep knocks out the glamour program from Pittsburgh.
Just read a story from the Hershey Gazette. There will be several food trucks serving nothing but cheese steaks and soft pretzels next weekend. A flatbed truck is in the works to get the Rocky statue moved to the front doors of Hershey stadium. Ben Franklin may also make an appearance!
@tsaf77,
C’mon man! When the people were talking about “what has D12 done? They’re a joke”. You didn’t defend it, so don’t knock the Hershadelphia comment. You and I have gotten along, for the most part, all year, why get bitter now. Folks in the west could call it Hershaburg, it’s witty and it fits. For the first time ever D12 has 3 teams in the finals and you suburban guys are doing your best to discount it. Wasn’t a problem when D1 was good, so what’s the problem now?
@Reddawgs,
I checked out that FB page after looking at your post. Thanks for posting it! I guess all I can say to the people on that page is, HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok got a question. With the McDevitt/Wood final would it already be considered an eastern victory? For me I just don’t consider D3 a western district. I think the lines have certainly been altered. For so many years it was D 7,8,9,5,6 and 10 in as the “west” and 1,2,3,4,11 as the “east”. Since D12 was added I know they moved D3 to the west in 3A and 4A but kept them east for 1A and 2A. I felt the same way 2 years ago with the CD/NP 4A final. I considered it 2 east teams…………What does everyone think?
State finals predictions AAAA and AAA
AAAA PCC 42 St. Joes Prep 14
Great defense and knock you out offense. Yes, PCC is that good!
AAA Bishop McDevitt 38 Wood 28
McDevitt on a roll since the loss to Cedar Cliff where they were torched by Virgina Tech bound QB Andrew Ford and after beating the consensus best AAA team in the state
I would be very surprised if Bishop McDevitt doesn’t win the game. They have play makers all over the field and honestly Prep might have put up a great game against Wood. From watching Wood they are very one dimensional. Their quarterback isn’t asked to do a lot but when he did throw wasn’t very impressive. Also McDevitt remembers that 70-0 blowout talk about some movatation.
Score : 49 Bishop McDevitt 14 Wood
@OL Coach
Your right. With your stellar analysis in proving me wrong, in no way do kids in the PCL come from other states. Are you serious? I didn’t say D12 I said the PCL. You are also a person that, though the PIAA doesn’t negate it, sees nothing wrong with having 1 or 2 powers that get all the athletes in Philly to go to. Sure, there is no advantage to that whatsoever. You are right, I don’t have to root for D12 and can just relax in my district that has above class schools that care more about kids futures than getting the few out of the vicious circle of inner city life. That would be humane of me to do. I wish the best for the kids and hope they can win it all even though the D12 boys on this site will boast that the center of HS football comes from Philly. Show a little class is all I am saying and act like you’ve been there before. It shows this is new.
@tsaf77, really? Md.? De.? You’re embarrassing yourself; next you’ll have all D12 teams recruiting Florida!
Learn a little about the schools you’re ripping; it’s obvious you know NOTHING.
Nobody asked you to root for D12; being candid, nobody cares who you root for.
Well, the only thing left to say is… Go Cowboys! Beat dem iggles!!
Not much on here but kudos to the kids from Berks Catholic; wasn’t there but all I’ve read says they played a helluva game! Thanks for not listening to the whiners and actually showing up and bringing your game! Here’s to you!
@RRMark, now that you have no horse in the race, could you zip it up for the next week and let real fans enjoy finals week? Thanks.
@tsaf
wow wow wow now philly teams recruit, let the freaking kids play.
Congrats and let’s keep the 4 titles in the east. Let’s go Old Forge, Imhotep, Wood and Prep!
Pretty much no surprises for the trip to Hershey with the teams that made it. Congrats to all the teams who made it and a great season to those that did not.
Class A should be interesting with 2 teams that have just made it to Hershey for the first time. This one should be a great game.
As far as the Hershdelphia and D12 comments. Wow. How ignorant. Yes, the PCL is very dominant with its 4 powers total, 1 in class AA and AAA; and 2 in AAAA. That’s great 4 schools recruiting the Philly burbs and population exceeding 5 million when you add the corridors of Del, Md and NJ. Excellent job building that power conference. Need I bring up PCL vs NJ Private? But then I will be ridiculed for digging.
I agree with others. It makes it difficult to root for D12 when you make comments like that. Do you guys realize by population alone D12 should have been running the show every year in a dominant fashion like D7 out west. This shouldn’t be a surprise. Plus, oh yeah, the week off for D12 in PIAA playoffs. Sorry but you D12 guys still didnt make sense of that error at all. That D12 teams that are playing next week are excellent. Not taking anything away from them however they are built that way and should be dominating. They SHOULD BE dominating with the athletes they have acquired.
Please keep your ignorant comments to yourselves and we can all root for our Eastern reps.
By the way D12 guys, are you going to show the same graditude to little Old Forge being they are a TINY school school from D2?
Some quotes from George Curry in the local newspapers:
“We tried to kick away from them, but that is like telling a golfer to put the ball in the hole. He can’t do it.”
“They were a better football team.”
My favorite:
“I look at it this way. We won the public school state championship.”
His words, not mine. Don’t kill the messenger.
OK Buddy, I’ll give you a response
Tell me one time I piled on a team after a loss. Aside from Berwick, who’s fans over the top ra ra ra, really needed to be brought down from their pedestal, tell me one. I’m sure you can find one comment, because I always do it. You a D1 guy. You know how I feel about D1 football this year. I gave Neshaminy credit for playing a heck of a game. Did I pile on Catty? North Penn? Academy Park? C’mon, tell me one time, please. You have been begging me to respond to one of your silly comments for about 2 months. This is why I haven’t. I don’t care if 90% of your comments are BS. However, please don’t make up BS, and try to put it as coming out of my mouth. Good day, sir
Was at Prep/ Nesh… Martin is a gunslinger, threw an early pick but shook it off and played an outstanding game. Being familiar with Pgh CC… they win in a rout, book it boys.
Looks like PA will have 3 state champions with open enrollment and no boundaries. Time for the PIAA to either enforce the rules or get rid of them. Let the athletes decide where they want to play. Let the open recruiting begin!
Check out the whining on Berwick Facebook page. What a bunch of cry babies. Their new thing is “congrats to Berwick, Public AAA Champs”. Get over it- you lost. And one of the main reasons is you Godly coach got out coached big time.
And learn the facts. Public schools have dominated state Championships at all 4 levels.
Jive
You are spot on. All week the Berwick Curry lovers were saying how the Master would crush the Wood team. Not to mention Curry giving Wood poster board material saying they have no QB and just decent WR. That might be true but seriously why in the world would he say that knowing it would be printed. Curry the God got absolutely schooled last night in X’s and O’s. Is Curry just so smug that he feels he can act anywayhe wants. Berwick special teams were so Predictable-the young pup Devlin figured it out and exploited it big time. Not just once but several times. All week long Berwick fans said Wood hasn’t played anyone all year. Apparently Berwick had played a JV schedule.
Now we get to listen to the whiners like Buddy cry about recruiting.
But you ARE piling on. You always do.
Do you wonder why many bloggers can’t get behind the PCL? Because of fans like you.
“Hershadelphia” please! I always thought you better than that.
Looks like cold, cold, cold, and a chance of snow next weekend in Hershadelphia.
I’m not one to pile on somebody’s misery, but maybe just a little this time. I went to Prep/Neshaminy today and it went pretty much as I expected. Actually Neshaminy put up a much better fight than I expected, and it was a great game to watch. I wanted to also catch Wood/Berwick. Prep at 3:00 and Wood at 5:00 didn’t seem like much of a stretch, considering the Berwick fan that said the stadium was only 35 minutes from Philly, on the postponed games thread. It was double his estimation, so internet stream it was. I expected Wood to win pretty easily, but I’ve been hearing all week how great the Berwick coach is, and Wood better watch out! Certainly the legendary coach would make the Wood staff look like a JV crew. I was just reading an article, on a Philly website, and they had an interview with Devlin. Watching film on Berwick this week, Devlin noticed that Berwick always kicks the ball to their own sideline. Guess where Wood set the majority of their blockers on kicks? Yep, the Berwick sideline. It worked out OK. Two 75yd kickoff returns for touchdowns, and a 60yd punt return to the one yard line. We all knew Wood had the bigger, faster, stronger team. However, the Berwick folk said it didn’t matter, all we need is heart and coach Curry. I’m sure the boys played with plenty of heart. I guess 1 out of 2 ain’t bad. From what I heard on the radio, them boys played their butts off. From what I read, coach Curry looked like the JV coach.
excellent game between ECP and BM. The Wood vs McD game should be very good as well
That Berwick-Wood game was close…not!
Seriously, Wood is head and shoulders above the rest. Abington Heights, Scranton Prep, Crestwood, Berwick, Academy Park, Pottsgrove…meh…they’re all pretty much equal.
Next week we’ll find out if McD can run with Wood If not, they and Cathedral Prep can be added to the group above.
D12 football country
Berks Catholic falls to Imhotep Charter 20-0. Heck of a run by this year’s Saints team. And District 12 is repping Philly well in Hershey! Go Panthers!!!
Oh, let me get this right, it must be ok for Berks Catholic to get kids who don’t go to their public school because hey, their not as big as the Philly district.
Yep I understand that logic…hypocrisy at it’s finest.
If ic wins i will root for them next week last week i rpptef for catty because thats my school this week im tooting for berks catholic because i live in reading now
@eric
Please do! Lol, last time you rooted against IC they won by 49 points. I’d love to go but IC Basketball plays Liwer Merion in Ardmore. So that’s where I’ll be.
@RRMark
that would be neat to see those a/aa and aaa/aaaa matchup, would mor ethan likely be the first state to do so. I think recently clairton would have given the AA champ a run and also the AW team from two years ago would have def beat the aaaa team.
so all games have been re-scheduled to tomorrow?
Good stuff Jive.
Oops, mgguy
Thanks for setting me straight mmguy. You are correct. But a population almost twice as large certainly raises the potential talent level and evens the matchups a bit vs. an Imhotep.
Interesting info Jive
Many public school will take tuition students but most people won’t pay tuition on top of their RE/school tax to send their kid to Neshaminy or whatever. Catholic school parents pay both!
Who is going to the berks catholic imhotep game tomorrow thats where i will be go saints
@d6,
Always up for a few beers! Prep/Neshaminy tomorrow, as long as there’s no rain, sounds like the place to be.
I’m starting to understand peoples stance on the open enrollment thing. I guess if I didn’t live in Philly, I might have an issue with it too. That does not include D1. A kid that lives a half mile from me, right in the middle of Philly, plays for Neshaminy, so they have no right to complain about it. I want to let you guys know how and why open enrollment started. During the baby-boomer years the city built a couple huge schools in the Northeast, which was about 99% white at that time. They all offered different specialty subjects. At the time when the civil rights movement was rolling strong, there were questions as to why certain kids were afforded the opportunity to take advantage of these programs, and others were not, rightfully so. Examples would be Lincoln’s horticulture program or Northeast’s aeronautics program. It was cheaper for the city to bus kids out of their neighborhoods to these programs, rather than building enormous schools in every neighborhood. This was something that was started for all of the right reasons. Of course with good intentions comes the loophole. That is why our publics are open enrollment. The Catholic schools are another story. Everybody went to their local Catholic school, LaSalle, or Prep. I think it was in the 80’s when Roman (the country’s oldest Catholic high school) looked like they may close because of declining enrollment. That school is in the heart of center city and there was no draw. So in order to save that school, Catholic schools opened enrollment too. Don’t know why I felt compelled to write about this, just kinda hit me while watching TV.
@rrmark,
Berks Catholic students come from all over Berks County, not just Wyomissing. They pull players from Mifflin, Boone, Wilson, Reading, etc, etc. If they didn’t exist the impact on Wyomissing would be minimal. Wyomissing district isn’t
really a whole lot bigger geographically than Catty is. Berks was formed about 2 years ago when the Diocese closed Reading Central Catholic and merged them. One thing it did was create a basketball powerhouse, probably see Berks and Imhotep play there too!
@D6, transfers in district 12 do have to be signed off on between schools and if a school doesn’t sign off it has to go to a hearing. I believe this is the same across all districts.
@Buddy. The game is at 5
What time the Wood/Berwick game Sat. ?
As for the argument that you no longer would have a true champion if privates and charters were separate… We could certainly say the same thing about the 4 classes. Every year people wonder if the A could beat the AA or AAA beat the AAAA champ and so on. But tough beans. They don’t compete for a reason so we don’t worry about it. Maybe they should at least take the 4 champs and have a true “small school” champion and a true “big school” champion. Then it would end all the conjecture. We’d know just how good those mighty past Southern Columbia or Berwick teams were. This year people might…will… wonder if Imhotep could have competed with the best of AAAA in the state. But the “mythical” champ remains a figment of our imagination.
I’m glad we all can agree there might be a bit of a problem with the current rules in regards to D12 vs. the rest of the state. And just know I was glad when they decided to include them in the PIAA. I will agree, as I always have, that Imhotep is going by the rules and their kids shouldn’t have to apologize for anything. I just think it would serve them better to have things more equitable in terms of access to talent. I know I would certainly get bored knowing my team was gonna blow everyone out by 50 points. And I think we can agree, if they left the starters in all game, scores like 83-6 would be the norm. Maybe Berks can hang with them. But just know that Wyomissing serves a population double that of Catty and also has Berks Catholic just 5 minutes away. So the population in that area is more inclined to support a team that can match up a little better with Imhotep. There are going to be years Wyo has the best players, and years where BC does. But if BC didn’t exist, Wyomissing wouldn’t be in AA and vice versa.
@ jive
I think Erie is the only place outside of Philly with open enrollment. And by that i mean kids can transfer from school to school without having a PIAA ruling on it.
I hope the berwick game is pushed to saturday so i can listen to it since i have plans for tonight.
We will have to meet up at a game sometime and talk and have a few beers.
@d6,
I really don’t have a problem with the way things are now either. This has been a hot topic over the season and folks are throwing out ideas. Truth be told, there is nothing you or I could do to change the system anyways. PIAA will change it, or they won’t.
I have know clue what boundary rules are throughout the rest of the state. In D12 the same boundary rules apply to everybody. Granted a kid or 2 will come from Jersey or the Philadelphia burbs to go to a Catholic school, it’s the exception, not the rule or a common occurrence. Some folks will say Prep has a 4th string D-back from Cherry Hill, NJ and that’s why they’re so good. However, they won’t complain about Roman having a starting WR from NJ, because Roman is terrible. Just looking for an excuse, and maybe that’s why I get defensive when it comes to D12. Sometimes I feel as though comments are directed that way, where I am indeed wrong, and perhaps a bit paranoid. I think this whole private vs public vs charter thing gets in my crawl. Down here there is no P vs C vs C, they’re all the same when it comes to athletics.
On a side note. Rumor is the Wood/Berwick game has been pushed back to Saturday. Congratulations to Berwick for staying in the playoffs for an extra day!
@jive
I am all for just keeping it the way it is, but as for the complaining about private schools, just put them all in the same classificaiton seperate from “public schools”. This would include all private schools throughout the state, not just the philly schools which you seem to think I am taking aim at.
Teams cutting kids to keep roster sizes down would absolutely be an issue as well. Im not saying it would be majority issue throughout the state, but if this was in place that would be the next big thing everyone would be accusing coaches and teams of isntead of talking about public vs private vs charter.
I am all for keeping it the way it is. Their is no real debate then whot he best team is, which unlike say Texas where they have two classifications for 5a and those teams who win each playoff dont play.
Im not against your stance for the D12 league even though you may think i am. Just explaining my reasoning why the roster size thing would be worse than what we have now.
@fwgriity,
Thanks man, I’ll be there! I will dvr the Wood vs Erie/McD game and watch it when I get home.
@d6,
I don’t think anybody said regulate rosters, I said go by roster size. Teams wouldn’t be able to submit these rosters on notebook paper, there would be an official form. Kids would print their name, student number, and then sign it. The roster form would have a full line for each kids info, and we could have a number next to each line too. First kid #1, second #2, third #3, and so forth. PIAA wouldn’t have to count the kids, if there are 70 names, guess what roster # the last name would be? That is how in the world you would do that!
What would keep teams from cutting kids, to stay at a certain classification size? Lawsuits! Teams don’t, at least in Philly teams don’t, cut kids from the football team. It would be odd if they started all of the sudden.
How many kids quit? Five at the most? Wouldn’t make a difference.
In the Philly area, the private schools do have their own league, their own champion, and do not compete in PIAA. I believe they are district 13 on this site. Thanks for trying to knock my idea, and suggesting an idea that has been in place since the 1800’s. Good hustle!
How in the world would the PIAA be able to regulate roster size? That would be worse than they way it is now. WHat would prevent a AAAA team from saying they are only selecting the bare minimum kids and cutting everyone else to play in the lowest classification? And how would the PIAA classify schools who had kids quit the first couple weeks of the season and it bumps the roster size down a class, would they re-classify them mid season?
The only solution would be to put all private schools into their own league and keep the other classes.
I had heard that Catty is the smallest AA school in the state. Not sure if that’s true.
@rrmark
I feel what and understand what you are saying because in the 80’s before there was a state champ it was all public. THere was schools like frankford, washington, central,and dobbins thats would always win the all public chip, which was our state champs here in philly for football. But washington and frankford was in the mix every year . No when basketball season hits powerhouse teams like gratz, dobbins, southern and west high was the cream of the crop. Now some kids that wanted to be on a winning team, would catch two to three buses and leave out at 6am just to get to those school on time. I played for gratz and we had sub-par football team but i wasnt going to catch two or three buses just to be on a winning team. Here in philly or in any other place kids want to play for a winner not a loser. lol they even do it in pop warner football. Just a little sport history for you, and my pain playing in philly. ps i only had one season as a player above 500. lmao
Pittsburgh Central Catholic walks to a state title this year. Pretty surprised at STJP lack of a running game last week. Neither AAAA representative has a good shot at beating the PCC team. Too much balance and speed. I like them 27-7 in state final.
@Jive
Correction Imhotep plays Roman at Holy Family College 12/13/13 @ 7:30pm.
@RRmark
A, AA, AAA, AAAA are only designations based on enrollment in a specific sport. IC football competes in AA, and the boys basketball team competes in AAA. That’s because the boys enrollment numbers are different in those sports. AA football is 131-243 boys enrolled. Boys AA basketball is 186-298 enrolled.
@Jive
Yes IC does play Roman at Imhotep. They have a gym that holds 500 people.That should be a good game.
Your right jive turkey the piaa should go by roster size no matter where you live but the piaa goes by how many students are in the school eather they play football or not and thats not the way it should be
@Jive
The Imhotep gym holds several hundred. They use it as both a gym and auditorium so they’ve had the entire school population in there (although it looked pretty tight).
I feel catty playing ic last saturday is like catty playing parkland in districts catty has a small area to get there players from imhotep has a big area just like parkland imhoteps roster is as big as most 4A schools
NASHAMINY
@That Guy Philly,
Roxborough is the prime example of a roster size stipulation. Although they have the ability to draw from a AAAA population, they have a AA enrollment, and they only have about 30 kids that play football in their school. There has to be a way for the PIAA to figure this out. A team like Imhotep that has a AA enrollment, but has an 80 man roster, just like Southern Columbia, probably should be moved up to AAAA. We are just a bunch of fans tossing out ideas, there are people in the PIAA that actually get paid to handle this stuff. I think this whole thing sits in the lap of the PIAA, and if they can’t figure it out? Time to hire somebody else who can.
@rrmark,
I said a while back that classifying by population is probably the best option. I think you are 100% right in that aspect. I also think roster size should play a role. Most A, AA teams suit about 25-35 kids, I’m guessing. They just don’t have the numbers to support 22 starters, which is a huge advantage. If a team has 8-9 kids going both ways, how do they compete against a team running out fresh players every series. Nobody finds it odd that a team like Southern Columbia is in the state title hunt every year? When there’s 80 kids on a A roster, that’s gonna happen. Why does nobody have an issue with that? Oh that’s right, they’re not from Philly.
I enjoy reading everybody’s opinions, we could never have a debate if everybody agreed. I’m guessing you didn’t read the conversation between Jim B, Facts, and I. If you did, you wouldn’t still be comparing Imhotep to a private school. However, if that’s what you think, then that’s what you think.
@Facts, quite one, fwgritty,
I don’t know if you are basketball guys or not. Just curious about whether Imhotep has a gym? If so, how many people does it hold? They play Roman next week, and the game is listed on philly.com as being at Imhotep. MaxPreps has them as the #3 and #4 teams in the state, might have to go watch that one. Just to rub a little salt in the eyes of those guys out there that “love” D12, #1 Carroll and #2 Neumann are both in D12 also.
I’m going to try one last time…
@RRMark, Roxborough high school in Philadelphia is a AA school that is also a traditional district run school meaning specifically it is not a charter. They also have the same ability to draw students from the entire city of Philadelphia. Are you also saying that they should move to 4A also even though their school enrollment is only at the level of 2A?
AAAA
West – Central Catholic over Lower Dauphin
East – St.Joes Prep over Neshaminy
AAA
West – McDevitt over Erie Prep (Going to be a great game)
East – Wood over Berwick
AA
West – South Fayette over Hickory
East – Imhotep over Berks Catholic
A
West – North Catholic over Clarion
East – Old Forge over Steel High
Competition should be apples vs. apples. If your school district serves 10,000 people, you should compete against teams that build rosters from a similar number of residents. Then they can go to male enrollment for further differentiation if needed. Just because a private or charter program doesn’t take advantage of the rules doesn’t make the rules equitable. If IC wants to build a big school team from a big school population, they should compete for a big school championship… no matter if they lose to Wyomissing or Berks Catholic or blow them out by 50. This is common sense folks. Apples to apples. Who in this forum has the right to tell others what opinions they can or cannot express here?
It the same argument over and over.Simple if you starting a football team do you want 30 kids to pick from or a 100 if you have a 100 you have an atvantage,but you still need coaching talent and an overall program.IF this system is so unfair why arn’t all the coaches and A.D screaming to the PIAA.Do i think their holes in the system that give some school certian advantages yes.But their with in the rules.so if you feel so strongely about it start a petitiion and submit it to the PIAA
Jive and Facts
Ok, I am trying to understand this and I think it just clicked for me. Please allow me a learning curve.
It’s the school choice, not the Charter school, that allows for powerhouse teams to be assembled in Philly. And what IC has now, is nothing new. The good players in Philly always flocked to certain schools for years. I actually do remember Gratz in Basketball, and Olney in wrestling being very good year after year. Someone mentioned both of them.
I honestly didn’t know Philly had school choice until one of you guys explained that on this thread. I thought, for years, Philly was full of “neighborhood” schools. Again, I am not from Philly.
@Jive
How getting dressed outside in the rain, sleet or snow.. If you ever visit the City of Philadelphia and want to know if a kid plays for a charter, public or Catholic school; when you see a kid walking home or on public transportation with their dirty practice pants on and carrying their full equipment, you will know they are a charter school and may be from a Catholic school. That is the difference.
No matter how much we tell them Jive, they fail to comprehend it. Do you guys understand that any Public in the city can build a powerhouse if they want too? It would be easier for them because they can receive kids from anywhere in the city. Meaning a school like Washington or King can get a kid from as far away like South Philly (25 minute express Sub ride) and as far north as Chestnut Hill (free public school bus).
There has always been schools that were very good for a couple of years (Cheltenham, Mastbaum, Dobbins etc) then afterwards were not as good. Maybe IC will fall into this category, maybe not.. You guys crowned them powerhouse and they have not won anything yet..
@Jive and Facts
You guys have been on this thread longer than I have. I’m seeing the same thing here, complaining why this team is winning, the advantage of charter vs public vs parochial vs private! When it’s all said and done, the games still have to be played on the field. Good coaching, good execution, and good preparation all play a factor in who wins and loses. IC has no locker room, no private practice facility or training area. What they do have is a good opportunity to play for a competitive team. There are 60+ student athletes competing for PT. And for the record, as for transfer students, they lose more than the gain. Several RB’s, QB’s and Rec’s have left to play and started(All Public/City) at other schools.
Well PIAA fans and foes, IC will be competitive next year also, so what’s the next excuse?
@Facts,
I’ve been trying to explain it, my friend. For some reason people don’t, or don’t want to, understand. This has been going on since D12 joined the PIAA. Aside from a few decent people, it has been, “let’s try to find a excuse as to why that city team is better than us”. Happened with LaSalle, West, and now Imhotep. This whining isn’t the first of it’s kind, and it certainly won’t be the last.
I said no advantage or disadvantage between traditional public and public charters, I was wrong. Traditional publics have locker rooms, on-campus facilities, and most have an on-campus stadium. When it rains, traditional publics can practice in one of the 4 or 5 gyms they have in the school, a lot of charters don’t have 1 gym. Some how, some way, walking to a playground 6 blocks away, in the pouring rain, hoping the rec leader turns on the lights, will be turned into and advantage.
This weekend’s winners:
A – Old Forge, N. Catholic
AA – Imhotep, S. Fayette
AAA – Wood, Erie Prep
AAAA – Neshaminy, PCC
@Jim B
Furness Charter School was 1-10 this year
Delaware Valley Charter School was 3-9 this year
Olney Charter School was 4-7 this year
Boys Latin Charter School was 4-8 this year
School of the Future was 4-8 this year
Gratz Charter School was 5-7 this year
Prep Charter was 7-4 this year
Mastery Charter North was 10-2 this year
Imhotep Charter is 12-2 this year
PLEASE TELL ME WHERE IS THE ADVANTAGE!!
This weekend’s winners:
A – North Catholic, Old Forge
AA – S. Fayette, Imhotep
AAA – C. Prep, Wood
AAAA – PCC, Neshaminy
@Jim B,
Some other schools do field a JV football team. The problem we have here is athletics vs politics. Take politics out of the equation and it makes it very simple to understand my comments. You are hung up on the word charter. When it comes to athletics, charters are no different, in any way, than regular public schools. The only place worth mentioning the word charter, would be on the political side. For some reason those of you that are not from Philly think being a charter school offers some great advantage athletically. No advantage, no disadvantage, no different than a traditional public school.
You don’t agree with my needing more schools comment, however, you gave 2 examples that proved my point. They needed more room, they split the schools. Has Hazelton not seen a spike in their population recently? You can’t build a school overnight. If they sustain their population, I’m sure they will start to build.
Jive
There are 25 teams playing football in the Philadelphia Public League. That is where I got the number 25 from. Do these other 55 public school not have football teams? I honestly don’t know, I’m not from Philly.
Anyway, 25 or 80, does it really matter, though? Either way, it’s a lot more than 99.9% of the other districts in this state. Can you name any district in the state, besides Pittsburgh or Philly, that has more then four public high schools?
And let me clarify, my comments are in the context of sports, not politics. I am not debating why/how Charter schools are here. I just wanted to express and share my thoughts on Philly Charter High School athletics.
Lastly, I don’t agree with your comment about other districts not needing more schools. There are actually school districts in this state that need more schools. Pocono Mountain High School recently split, and is now two high schools, PM West and PM East. For years, it was just one High School, Pocono Mountain. Same thing for East Stroudsburg High. It split, and now there is East Stroudsburg South and East Stroudsburg. I have friends in Williamsport and Hazleton, both AAAA high schools. I hear both of these districts, despite there size, are overcrowded, and deperatly need another high school. But, it’s just not that easy to “build more schools”. So, I don’t see what you are trying to say here?
LIncoln Leadership is a Charter in Allentown. Decent basketball squad but no football.
TSAF77
I didn’t mention anything about “private/cultural characteristics”, because I really don’t now what you mean. Again, there is only one Charter school in my district. It’s an elementary school, and I don’t attend class there.
Maybe you can explain what you mean to me?
@Jim B,
After reading your comment for a second time, there were a few things that didn’t seem quite right. First thing is that Philadelphia has 80 public high schools, not 25. Another thing is, the reason other districts don’t establish charters is because they don’t need more schools. If they needed more schools, they would build more schools. If you read my last comment, you see why Philly implemented charters. We are closing public school buildings down at a rapid pace in Philly, we don’t need more, just politicians washing their hands of the Philly’s youth. One thing that I agree with you 100% on is that people outside of the city have no clue what a charter school is. Let me tell all of you again. A charter school is an independently run PUBLIC SCHOOL!!!!
There is a medical charter school in catty but they dont have sporys
I always joked that Curry should have went to the Vo-Tech school and been able to pull in kids from Berwick, Southern Columbia, Central, Bloomsburg. To me it is what is. If I was a parent in the 80’s or 90’s I would have moved my family to Berwick in a second if I knew I had a child who could play football. Heck if my kids were 10 years older now we would move back to Berwick with Curry there. Not only do you get the best coach but he works to get kids in college. He has also been known to help kids at other schools to get looks from colleges. Not just D-1 schools. Small and big he tried to get kids in college. So do I personally like that these schools can basically “recruit” NO but do I think they shouldn’t NO. You do what the rules tell you that you can do and the rules say they can go wherever they want. Shocking I’m from Berwick and don’t mind it…LOL Listen I can remember being in high school and kids failing in 8th grade just so they’d be bigger and stronger for high school. You do what you have to do. I am a Berwick fan and hope they can win…Though I won’t be crying in my cheerios the next morning if they don’t. I’ll be counting down the days till next year so we can hopefully get revenge! That to me is sports. Learn from year and come back the next and improve!
Great points Jim B and your right they tried a charter school in carbondale,it lasted 2 years.Unless the school could draw from the whole valley,i love to see a team with kids from Dunmore Valley view Lakeland and Abington Height. last year a Dunmore Scranton team would have been something.This is a PIAA issue as far as i know they are breaking no rules like you said deal with it.
Jim B.
Why are you hating on those poor inner city kids? They deserve some reparations after years of oppression and exclusion by the PIAA.
@ Jim B
You also forgot to mention taking public money and applying it to private/cultural characteristics which is clearly represented in the charters schools philosophies. I love how no one ever comments back about that Fact! We are secular when it comes to public education.
@Jim B,
Being from Philly, I don’t know if I could have said it any better. My opinion on charter schools is this. Charter schools are public schools. The school district of Philadelphia has been so poorly run, for so many years, that they are trying everything to not have the state take over the district. Hence charter schools. The district fills them with district students, pays the bills with public money, but has no accountability on student performance, because “were not in charge of them schools”. Charter schools have become a way for the district to wash their hands of low performing students and schools, and say, “not our fault”. The no child left behind act is being skirted by the district, and that is an absolute disgrace. Are all charters academically deficient? Of course not, but you can look up school performance, on the states web site, and see that most are way below average. Keep in mind, before charters, Washington was a football powerhouse in the city, Gratz was the basketball powerhouse, Olney was the school for wrestling, and so on. Kids, from all over the city, going to certain schools to play together has been a staple in Philly for decades. These kids going to Imhotep, is not a charter school issue. Had Crosby gone to King, King would be the team everybody complains about. These kids had their choice of any public school, they chose Imhotep. In Philly they have the right to choose, the kids chose to play together. Whether it be with their friends, a certain coach, or maybe they prefer Imhotep’s mission. Whatever the reason, it is what it is, they have the choice to go to any public school they want to.
@Jim B – Great post.
@JiveTurkey – I came to the conclusion earlier this week that people on this board are taking the Charter and non-public school debate to the level of pro-choice vs abortion, creationism vs evolution hysteria. People are either on one side of the other and most are so blinded that they couldn’t see obvious sarcasm when it smacked them in the face. I see now that it just isn’t worth trying to educate some people on this board because they have a deep held belief that blocks facts and logic from entering the conversation.
One more thing, I am NOT complaining. These are just my observations. There is no solution to this issue, and I think the rest of this state, outside of Philly, needs to accept the facts, and work harder to beat a team like Tep.
My take on “Charter schools”.
I do think Philly Charter high schools have an unfair advantage in sports, and here is why.
From what I understand, and this my be wrong info, but 80% of the charter schools in this state are located in Philly. That means a few things. First, because there are so many charters in Philly, the people in that area are much more familiar with the concept of a charter school. Charters are more accepted in the Philly area and most people there have a good understanding of the whole charter concept.
Conversely, because there are so few Charter schools outside Philly, people around the state don’t fully understand what a Charter school really is. I live in the Wilkes-Barre Area school district. We have one charter school in this district and it is only a grade school (K thru 8). To my knowledge, there are no Charter High Schools even remotely close to Wilkes Barre. I doubt there is even one Charter High school in all of D2. And there probably never will be. District size is the reason.
Most school districts in this state are “one district, one high school” districts. Much like Cattasaqua. There are a few districts, like WB Area, Allentown, Bethlehem, with multiple high schools in one district. But, for the most part, these districts with multiple high schools are in bigger, more populated urban areas. And those SD’s with multiple high schools, like Allentown, Bethlehem, WB, only have two or three high schools, not 25. Two or three high schoold is all the population will support.
What does this all mean? It means that 99% of the school districts in this state will never be able to establish a “charter high school” in their district. These districts are just too small. And even if a Charter high school did open in a place like Allentown, WB, or Bethlehem, there is just no way the charter school will pull enough male students from the two or three public high school to field a football team. The number aren’t there.
Take WB Area for example. We have three public high school, and school choice. Say a charter school were to open. What are the chances enough kids (football players) from Meyers, GAR and Coughlin (the 3 WB high schools) will make the switch and go to the charter school? If you take 10 to 15 kids from any one of those three team, they wouldn’t be able to field a football team.
Here is where Philly Charters get the advantage. The combination of school choice mixed with a huge district that contains 25 public high schools (and a hotbed of talent) to draw from, created the perfect storm we all know as IC.
It just can’t be argued; there is no other place, no other district, in this state that can assemble a team like a Philly public charter can.
We are at the finale of the East. Looking at the games this week, I think the OF – SH games appears to be the most competitive with each not having significant advantages over the other. OF is bigger up front however SH appears to be quicker. Should be a great game.
The other game that appears to be a close one is SJP and Nesh. This game will be a good one to see. Both teams are big up front with talented players, SJP has been on the winning side against District 1 however last season we saw a CV team take them down.
I think AW should take down Berwick on paper however you never know what can happen with Berwick.
IC is the favorite and should continue to destroy each team on their path to the AA title. Speed, size and pure talent. I am sure Berks has some fight however this is IC game to lose. As I have said before, IC can play with any team in this state and possibly beat them.
C’mon guys! You guys that are responding to this Allentown/Bethlehem comment follow this thread religiously. Did you not see the comment last week about how Imhotep can recruit from everywhere? When about 5 people replied with the boundaries and such, the response was something like “well all I know is everybody up here says so, so it must be true”. You all know I’m a bit of a wise a$$. I wasn’t trying to start a debate, just making a comment that sounded really absurd. I am a bit anal with looking up info and gathering facts about issues, before I comment on them. I guess I was just trying to point out that somebody else could do a tiny bit of research before he makes accusatory comments. Sorry, I was trying to be funny. I guess my shot missed the target.
@d3fan
McDevitt will have their hands full with Erie Prep. Erie Prep is just as loaded with D1 players. They are battle tested also they played 3 out of state catholic schools and won all 3 games by wide margins and shutting out a very good West Allegheny team last week was impressive. This game will be a classic and worth the price of admission and a must see if you live close enough to drive to Altoona. If anyone knows of a live feed please post.
@d3 and d6 thanks guys.Nobody has been able to run on Old Forge,but i dont think they seen a team with this type of speed.Steelton i dont think has seen a team this big and fast Old Forge is very disciplined and plays their keys well.The only thing i an sure of is buckle it up becuse OldForge is going to hit you for 48 min.
@ AJ & Jive:
AJ is right. I worked in the Allentown area ( Trexlertown), which is Parkland territory.
The kids that live in Allentown can’t go to Parkland. Of course, if you live in Allentown, you can go to ACC. If in Bethlehem, you can go to Bechai ( Catholic school). That’s about the extent of choice.
I think you guys are all missing the sarcasm of JIve’s posts lol
Who likes McDevitt over ECP? Mcdevitt is loaded on both sides of the ball. They handled some of the best AAAA programs in D3 including champ Lower Dauphin. It will take very strong opponent to beat McD. Offense is loaded with D1 talent and the defense is very difficult to get traction against.
@ mard d
Steel High is very fast likes to get on the edges on offense. Have a good running qb and productive rb. Their strength is their defense though very fast and physical. Not the most disciplined team but hard to beat in A with their athletic ability
@ JiveTurkey
You talked to someone who feed you extremely wrong info. Allentown kids go to either Allen or Dieruff depending where you live in the city or pay for Catholic school and go to Allentown Central Catholic. There is a small and very small portion of Deep west end of Allentown that is Parkland School District. The rest of Parkland is in the Suburbs in towns like Cetronia,Schnecksvile,Breinigsville,Orefield,Ironton and Laurys station. However, kids in the Suburbs can also go to Allentown Central Catholic.
Bethlehem kids go to either Liberty or Freedom depending on where you live in the city or pay for catholic school and go to Bethlehem Catholic.
@eric,
I don’t know if I can make an intelligent response to that. I guess 12/2/13, 1:11pm. Holy smokes, you are too funny!
@eric
All I see on this site that you say is “Imhotep has an unfair advantage”, “Philly charter schools have an unfair advantage”, etc. Why do you whine so much? As for me saying,”good game Catty and Imhotep”. Well the players played hard during the game and made it to that point, why not say that to them as a respectful thing. It’s about the kids that played the game. And as far as Imhotep being crowned state champs, the games still have to be played. Good luck to all the teams remaining inthe playoffs.
Parkland is actually south whitehall township
@ jive turkey thats wrong allen and dieruff play football in allentown and liberty and freedom are in bethlem
I was walking around the city the other day, and asked total strangers where kids played high school football in Bethlehem and Allentown. They told me that all of the kids that play football in Allentown go to Parkland. They told me that all of the kids that play football in Bethlehem go to Bethlehem Catholic. I asked, “are you sure”? They said, “yes, they used to go to Liberty but the all go to Bethlehem Catholic now”. That’s good enough for me. It must be true, because that’s what everybody down here is saying!
Lol, this site doesn’t allow open debate. yet certain posters get to insult others freely. I post with the same name and from the same computer because I stand by my comments and don’t need to hide. But I have proven who the real haters of the kids are.
@buddy. Buddy you are right, next year we will be all in the same league. I like the fact that it will make the sol national team better, since there will be a Much competitive league, the downside of it is, good team are going to nock each other out before playoffs. Let’s see how the skins fare against the prep, that qb from them is something else. Skins better have a great defensive game, specially the secondary line
According to the @BornPowerIndex, Central Catholic is projected to be 19.3 points stronger than Lower Dauphin
According to the @BornPowerIndex, Neshaminy is projected to be 4.59999999999999 points stronger than St. Josephs-Prep
According to the @BornPowerIndex, Erie-Cathedral Prep is projected to be 8.59999999999999 points stronger than Bishop McDevitt
According to the @BornPowerIndex, Archbishop Wood is projected to be 7.59999999999999 points stronger than Berwick
According to the @BornPowerIndex, Imhotep Charter is projected to be 13.5 points stronger than Berks Catholic
According to the @BornPowerIndex, Old Forge is projected to be 2.19999999999999 points stronger than Steelton-Highspire
@Colin, MIke
I too think PCC wins; I had Wilson making it this far, LD didn’t beat them by much (46 yd FG with virtually no time), see the end of the road here for D3. Unlike most posters here, I think that Berks Catholic has a pretty good shot at Imhotep. BC has very few 2 way starters, lots of team speed, took Wyomissing to the limit last year with essentially the same team back this year. Virtually a home game in Shillington. Biggest concern I see is the Imhotep line size. Could be a better match up than most think.
My other picks go with Neshaminy, Wood, McDevitt.
Imhotep has so much of an advantage over anyone in AA that everybody has them penciled in as state champs that they dont have any competition its that berks catholic isnt good enough and they are undefeated they cant do any better than that i went to the catty and imhotep game saturday got home and came on here and a couple people made comments like good game imhotep and catty.plus good job catty for a gutsy performance how is it a good game and gutsy performance when the score was 49-0 it was 1 sided its not a good game when its 1 sided
@Eric,
Hear ya loud and clear about the Allentown and Bethlehem schools. Central Bucks and West Chester both have 3 HS’s. Students have to stick to boundaries. However this would be nearly impossible to duplicate in Phila for many reasons. One of them is that there are so many HS’s in Phila. Keeping track of boundaries for all those schools would be a logistical nightmare.
@Mike A
I think the PCC/LD score may be worse than that unfortunately. I watched some film of the LD game against Wilson and even tho they won they were not very impressive. They also looked kinda small as well. I wont say the cant win but I will be very surprised if they did. But as we all know the best team doesn’t always win.
IM LIKING [NASHAMINY] OVER [ST.JOES PREP],, BOTH TEAMS ARE REALLY GOOD BUT GOING WITH SKINS. IM TAKING [WOOD]OVER BERWICK. AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE [ B.MCDEVITT ] WIN BUT THATS A HARD ONE FOR THEM .. GOOD LUCK TO ALL TAMS LEFT AND SEE Y’ALL IN HERSHEY. DEC 13/14 ..
Didn’t do a A final prediction because I honestly have no clue. Taking a quick look at both teams through the playoffs, this is probably gonna be the best game of the 4. Good luck to ALL 8 teams playing in the East this week!
Predictions on Eastern Finals!
AA; I found a Berks Catholic roster on Pennlive. If it’s accurate, Berks has 4 kids over 200lbs, maxing out at 230 with their biggest kid. That will not get it done against Imhotep. I was at the Tep/Catty game. Catty team is athletic, well coached, and seem to have 5 guys in on every tackle. This is not a knock on them at all, but compared to Tep, they were tiny. If you can’t put up a fight in the trenches, it’s gonna be a long day. Tep by mercy rule.
AAA; Berwick, on the other hand, does have the size to battle Wood in the trenches. The one thing that really sticks out with Berwick is their first playoff game. How do you go from beating Crestwood 41-7 during the season, to squeaking out a playoff game, against the same team, 14-13? Berwick has not seen the likes of a team like Wood all year, Wood has played a few of the best AAAA teams D12 has to offer. Wood looks to be peaking right now, bad news for Berwick. Wood by 3 or 4 TD’s.
AAAA; This is the game a lot of folks think could go either way. Back in the beginning of the year I said Neshaminy was the only good team in D1. I think the way NP got trounced in their 3 non-league games, and then making it to the D1 final, undefeated, proves that. Neshaminy cruised through a bad schedule, and came up way short in their biggest game of the year. Losing to your rival is not bad. Losing to your rival 31-3, when you’re the big dog in the league, is really bad. Prep is another team that plays the best schedule they can, to be ready for this time of year. (Last chance I’ll have to give props to NP for doing the same!) I know there is not a whole lot of D12 love, but all 5 AAAA teams would have made the playoffs in any league in the state. Prep plays in the best league, and is tested on a weekly basis. This makes me lean towards Prep in this one. Will they win as big as Wood and Tep? I don’t think they win that big, but by a 17-20 point margin wouldn’t shock me.
Mard d
Steel-High is very fast. They get most of their yards outside of the tackles. The two games i saw it was mostly running.
What can any one out their tell me about Steelton?Are they big,fast what offence do they run defence,passing team running team blalanced?
@ Neshskin:
Yep, we are all in the same division next year.
NP is no where near as bad as they showed against Neshaminy. Not sure if Neshaminy is as good as they showed, but I hope so. I love to see them beat Prep. Better bring their defense. If they do, they can win.
Why Not Some Early Predictions
AAAA
West PCC over Lower Dauphin
East St. Joes Prep over Neshaminy
AAA
West Erie Prep over McDevitt (Wish this game was the state final)
East Wood over Berwick
AA
West South Fayette over Hickory
East Imhotep over Berks Catholic
A
West North Catholic over Clarion
East Old Forge over Steel High
@Buddy
Neshaminy has a good shot i would say.
Berwick has a tall order in front of them.
Berks ……………..nada
PCC will beat Lower Dauphin by a wide margin. I predict 35-10. Lower Dauphin is very one dimensional. About 60-70% of their plays were direct snaps to the QB who either ran a sweep right or left looking for a seam. After Cumberland Valley figured this out at halftime LD gained less than 70 total yards in the second half. CV ran for over 300 yards and had more than 400 yards total offense with the second string QB(starter was hurt before last weeks game)against the vaunted LD defense. Special teams, a turnover, and a questionable decision by the coach to go for it on 4th and 7 at LD 40 yard line cost them field position for a full quarter. LD does have a good punter and the best kicker in the state and that was the difference.
Does anyone remember the name of that FB/LB that Beccahi had in the early 2000’s? THat played with Scipio.
Up here in allentown and bethlehem have 2 public schools but they both have boundaries between both schools you dont have a choice of which school you can go to depending what part of the city you live depends on what school you can go too
@Eric,
public schools in Philly have no boundaries either. Soon you will be saying kick D12 back out of the piaa. We are just proving to the whole state that Philly is not just known for basketball, cheesesteaks and soft pretzels. We known for football also.. Get use to it, get over it and cry a river in your beer. Let the kids play and the adults whine..
@ Phillyboy
Pennsbury had a really weak game against NP, provably because they are such a young team. They made a couple of mistakes and NP took advantage of it. I believe if they play that game again Pennsbury will beat NP. I am also afraid to admit that if Pennsbury was the one playing Neshaminy on the district final, Neshaminy could have lost again or it would have been a lot closer than it was against NP. Pennsbury is a very talented young team, watch out for them next season.
Eric,
Every Phila. charter school boundary is the city of Phila. Just like your traditional Public schools like Frankford and George Washington. The Phila School district is open enrollment. These where the rules that had been followed back when teams like Liberty and Parkland where beating FKD and GW 42-7. Even with the ways things are Imhotep is likely to the only Public team to make this kind of a dent in the state playoffs.
Charter schools in Philadelphia have the same boundaries that the public schools do because they are PUBLIC SCHOOLS just not operated by the School District of Philadelphia.
Maybe it’s time to stop going to every where you go “up here” and go look on the Philadelphia School District’s website for your information instead of relying on misinformation from people who A) Don’t know and B) have a grudge against charter schools.
@eric,
That is because up there people have no clue about Philadelphia’s public school system. Philadelphia public schools have the same boundaries as charter schools. In Philadelphia we have school choice. Meaning any Philadelphia resident can attend any Philadelphia public school regardless of location. The exception would be magnet schools like Masterman or Central that require students to pass tests to get in. However, if you pass the test, you may attend regardless of where you live, as long as you live inside the city limits.
So…………
Does Neshaminy have a chance?
Does Berwick have a chance?
No sense asking about Berks catholic.
I dont know all i knoq is every where i go up here ssays public schools have boundarys charter schools do not
Look at this years bracket and let me know what you come up with
Just wanted to reinforce what a charter school is. This is from the school district of Philadelphia’s website. Q; What is a charter school? A; Charter schools are independently operated PUBLIC schools that are funded with federal, state, and local tax dollars.
If a charter school does not offer a sport that a child wants to play, that child has 2 options. He/She can play for the closest public school to their charter school, or the closest public school to their home. The student is not permitted to play for any Catholic school. Wanna know why? Because these students are part of the school district of Philadelphia public school system. Stop with the 8 public, 7 Catholic, 1 charter jazz. There are 9 public and 7 Catholic teams left. 80% of the teams in Philly public league AA are charters. Let’s try this again. Why are 80% of AA Philly pub charters? Because they are PUBLIC schools!
ok gang, seriously. Trash talk is good, but let’s lay off the insults.
@eric,
I am going to try to approach your lack of knowledge as to what a charter school is. I think you may be under the impression that a charter school is like a mini college campus. Beautiful flowers, women, architecture, and lots of money. Far from it. Charter schools are public schools that are not held to the same academic standards as traditional public schools. They pop up like mushrooms, and can be run by anybody that wants to apply for a license. There is no comparison between a charter school and a Catholic school.
Next time you want to compare the Catholic vs public thing, please take a look at Kmac’s comment. Any way you want to spin it, the public schools have dominated. Stop trying to find a reason to hate Philly. I’m sure you have plenty, why look for more?
@Eric
That’s because football is more competitive in the inner city. You think that’s bad, google Philly youth program and see how many make the Fla super bowl.
Bottom-line is this, every year we hear Catholic and Charter has an unfair advantage. But every year we show the same whiners the win lost records of Catholics and Charters as compared to public and its not even close. Every year we show how the four champions outnumber Catholics (last year 3 out 4 were public).
Every year you guys see a public dominated championship team raise the trophy in hershey.. But you still complain..
Remember: Over the past 5 years there have been 20 champions; 13 public, 7 Catholic, and 0 charters… Where is your argument? Please explain!!!
Lets see district 12 has so much of an advantage over any othet district there are 4 eastern games this week and 3 of them have district 12 teams so its right in front of everybodies eyes and 2 are catholic and 1 charter
@ everyone,
I think we all know that the way things are right now are not likely to change….There are a few who have mentioned what they think the PIAA should do to level the playing field but for the most part it seems like most just complain. So for the heck of it I ask everyone to finish this sentence. If tomorrow I was left in charge of the PIAA I would do this…………
General
Because it seems to be a great interest right now, the first 25 years of state titles (1988 through 2012) have seen 100 championships in all four classes. Champions have been 18 Catholic, 1 private (Shady Side Academy), and 81 public. A total of 17 Catholic Schools have appeared 34 times, and 11 have produced the 18 championships. A total of 98 schools have appeared at finals, 17 Catholic, 2 private (Shady Side & Scotland School), and 79 public.
Pep Rally Friday afternoon. On the corner of Mercer and Rt 11, right out front of Skippy’s auto sales. Everybody is gonna be there! We are all driving down to the game in our discounted Skippy’s pickups right after the rally. Coach Curry is gonna make an appearance wearing his 1925 throwback Jersey. Be there or be square, go dogs! I mean dawgs, darn spell check.
@eric, you want some cheese to go with the whine…those 3 starting seniors came to the school as freshman and 2 couldn’t sniff the field as freshman for a team who didn’t make the states. They worked their behinds off and now are reaping the benefits of their hard work. Stop it already and begin to discover some class. Catty had a great season but instead you and others decided to come on here the past couple of weeks and start with every excuse of why they wouldn’t win and how unfair it was before the kids even lined up. Those kids gave a gutsy performance so why not celebrate the great season they had.
If you want to complain about something, complain about the borderline negligence of allowing kids with torn ACL’s play in the game. Kids health should always come first, even if you are protecting them from themselves.
@eric,
I tried to decipher your comment, and I think you are trying to say public schools can’t compete with Catholic and charters. Over the past 5 years there have been 20 champions. 13 public, 7 Catholic, and 0 charters. What is the point you are trying to make?
Do you guys remember back in 1925 when coach Curry was the starting QB, RB, WR, LB, DL, and kicker for Berwick? We had an exhibition game scheduled against the Jim Thorpe led New York Giants. Nobody told the Giants and they didn’t show up. Dogs 2 Giants 0, Forfeit, we win! Wood who? Anything can happen on any given day, GO DOGS. I mean dawgs, spell check has no idea what a dawg is, sorry.
I think the piaa should do something and put bounderies up for catholic and charter school public school have no shot for a state titles imhoteps line was as big as collage lines you cant tell me they dont recrute
PCL Fan
You know who else owns SEPA? Central PA. Over the past 5 years, D3 has 4 state championships in AAAA, AAA, and AA. So, if you want to include WC’s AA championship, SEPA is looking up at yet another district.
And, as far as the PCL/D12 becoming “the top district in the State in terms of state championships outside of class A since the PCL joined the PIAA”, no chance. You would need IC, Wood, and St Joe’s all to win state titles. It’s possible, but not likely.
PCL Fan
Re-read my post. Cheer and I are talking “big boy” football. I take that to mean AAAA and AAA. West Catholic won in AA.
Over the past 5 years D7 has 2 AAAA titles and 1 AAA title. D12/D1 has 1 AAAA and 1 AAA.
If you want me to consider WC’s AA championship, then I will gladly include D7 Clairton’s 4 single A titles.
So, no matter how you calculate it, the WPIAL owns SEPA!
@ Jim B
The PCL/D12 has 3 state titles in the PCL 5 years of play. Same as D7 if you don’t include Class A. Not bad for a small league and district. D1 has underperformed for most of the past decade. After this season the PCL/D12 has a good chance to be the top district in the State in terms of state championships outside of class A since the PCL joined the PIAA.
Like you said just the facts.
@ RR marks
wow that’s all I can say.
@17th & G
“My hats off to the PCL and PPL hardened warriors representing the City of Philadelphia.”
Boo hoo.. Poor private school city kids. LMAO.. So, how many of those teams can you count that can honestly compete regularly at the state level? Let’s go further, how many public teams? True public teams? Where are all these “hardened warriors” who are tested all season long?
Cheer,
Big boy football only? Ok, I can play that game too. In AAA and AAAA, since 2007, the WPIAL (PIAA district 7) is 5-1 in State Title games. D1 & D12 combined are 2-6. The WPIAL is also 4-0 in head-to-head matchups with D1/D12 in the championship game.
The WPIAL has also won two out of the last three AAAA titles. In fact, the WPIAL has DOMINATED the state AAAA tourney since its 1988 inception, winning 12 out of a possible 25 AAAA state titles.
Cheer, you take ranking, I’ll take facts.
@ JiveTurkey
Forgot Imhotep was a charter school. Thanks @Kmac
@littleguyscoach,
I know they were on last years team. You said “not one single kid came over after Crosby got the job, unless their school closed”. I was pointing out the most obvious.
I’m pretty sure this is the first time you and I have talked on this subject. I have had this chat with others for 2 years now. This is how it generally goes. No kids ever transferred in! What about so & so from school X? Well, no kids transferred in this year! What about so & so from school Y? Well, no starter transferred in this year! What about so & so from school Z? Well, no left handed kids, with the same birthday as Elvis, transferred in during Christmas break! OK, you win.
This is not pointed directly at you, but you understand my point. If the info I am getting is true, this will not be relevant next year anyway. It will go from how many came in, to how many left?
@the cry babies
What you need to do is expel the Catholics out of the PIAA. Don’t improve your level of play and keep your players home.
We all know that everyone wants to pay tuition to play on the best teams. I don’t know about you but if I am a parent I would much rather pay 20K to attend school in North Philly on 17th & Girard then the suburbs for free. Who wouldn’t?
Who doesn’t want practice on a field with no lights filled with crabgrass and rocks. Turf is so over rated!
I don’t know about you but if I am a player there is nothing like practicing and not knowing if your car has been broken into and your school books and toll change is gone! What a great feeling!
Who wouldn’t want to pay to go to a school that has to rent a home field. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want to drive an hour every weekend to watch your home high school game and pray for away games because they tend to be closer.
You people crack me up. You have the best educators, the best buildings, the nicest sports facilities, the best, the best the best and you still can’t keep your players home. Oh, and I forgot to say its all for free!!!
Get better! Hire better coaches and not teachers who coach! Simple formula…winning attracts players! My hats off to the PCL and PPL hardened warriors representing the City of Philadelphia.
Ok, Warminster isn’t quite the city but we appreciate their efforts. I also don’t pretend to pretend to even come close to the commitment of so many of these players that are living the life of much of the inner City of Philly. My hats off to them as well as their commitment to this sport should be commended. Now get them some good coaching and watch how good a team like Central would be!
Question?
At this time of the season with the cream rising to the top; why are so many playoff games so one-sided? This week: 42-7, 44-7, 35-0, 48-7, 48-7, 28-0, 42-14, 40-7, 48-7, 57-21; only a few were less than a 20-point spread. Why is this so? Is there really an explanation out there? I expect the 14-7, 21-19, etc, type scores this time of year.
@ Jim B
We are talking big boy football only, D1 and D12 have very few A and AA teams so of course the numbers will be slanted. Success is not only measured by state titles, the power has clearly shifted if you look at the top 10 rankings in the state each year you will see more teams from Southeastern PA then anywhere else. Again, talking big boy teams only.
@ AJ:
Yea, no district boundaries. It’s gotta help.
PCC can pull from entire city of Pittsburg & suburbs. That’s a lot of kids.
I know we heard this before, but c’mon guys, you know it’s true.
@Jive
There are 8 public, 7 Catholic, and 1 Charter schools left in the title hunts.
@ Jive those kids were on last years team (D. Williams and B. Chatman) I know this years team pretty good and don’t know of any that are transfers.
everyone is not giving the Berwick Dawgs a chance why is this? Let’s bring another state title home and prove all the haters wrong GO DAWGS!!!
Last post, by title match game, I mean winning it. D1 was in the last two, but lost.
@Jim B
Yes, it has been a 10-year drought for Sub One and D1 in the title match game. And, I believe you are correct again in your assessment of District 7 alias WPIAL. I’m a D1, Sub One fan because it contains the teams I have followed since 1951. We had a good run 1991 through 2004 in class 4A; but D1 has been practically all class 4A oriented. Strath Haven was once powerful in 3A, but we have never been strong in 1a or 2A.
@AJ,
I’ve gone through it a couple times and keep coming up with 7 Catholic. I’m not familiar with the western side of the state so I’m probably wrong on this one. Who are the 8 Catholics?
WHEN WILL FINALS BE POSTED FOR AAA AND AAAA ? LOOKING FOR WHERE AND TIME FOR BOTH SIDES.. I’LL KEEP CHECKING TO SEE WHATS UP. IF ANYBODY KNOWS LET ME KNOW THANKS… DEC 6/7
Berwick – Wood, Friday. 7pm, J Birney Crum
8 of the 16 remaining teams left in the playoffs are Catholic Schools, including 3 out of 4 in 3A. Anyone have any thoughts?
@ Buddy
Dude, I totally agree with you. I don’t understand how Neshaminy got smacked by Pennsbury but crushed North Penn who beat up Pennsbury. I know that comparing games doesn’t always work but still, it is perplexing. By rights, Neshaminy should have stomped Pennsbury.
So Cathedral Prep vs Bishop MCD might be a better game then that of the state final.
Old Forge vs Steel-High, Friday 7pm @ Hazleton
PIAA RELEASES DATE AND TIME FOR WOOD VS BERWICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The game will be played somewhere in Potter County on Thursday night. The strange time and location is to allow all of the Berwick fans time to get out of their tree stands and clean up for the game. Deer hunting season starts in a few hours and PIAA didn’t want Berwick fans to miss deer hunting just to watch their team get beaten like a drum, so they are taking the game up north. There you have it.
Cheer
The Sub One? Are you kidding me? When was the last time a Sub One team won a state title?
High school football in PA belongs to the WPIAL. Since 2007, when D12 joined the PIAA, the WPIAL has won 10 State Titles compared to a COMBINED 3 for D1 AND D12.
WOW, has it really been 10 years since a team from District 1 won the big one?
St. Joes Prep 21 – Parkland 10
Some things never change…….
@Jive
I know but I like that aspect of the offense. They don’t pass always but it’s there as a weapon. Nyeem Bonner is not bad as a QB though. #7 Rahmir Johnson is one of the young stable of HB’s, a 10th grader no less. He played a lot on the JV team.
Best of Luck
OLD FORGE BLUE DEVILS
BERWICK BULL DAWGS
“DIGGIN FOR GOLD” !!!!!
@Fwgritty,
Bonner stepping in at QB may actually benefit Imhotep. Running the ball is their bread and butter. Catty’s best defense was Imhotep throwing the ball. Maybe this will get Scott a couple more carries, he is insane, always a threat with the ball in his hands. Where did #7 come from? Dude has ridiculous speed around the edge.
‘Tep QB may not play next game due to a shoulder injury.
Congrats to the Imhotep players and Catty players! It was a good game that was hard fought.
Great season Catty. Gutsy performance
@Bias Billy,
Who wouldn’t be a fool to count out an undefeated Curry team? He is mightier than the Gods of Olympus, right? Wow! You are quite the fan, I gotta give you that much. I’ve never, ever, seen a column writer for any site talk smack on a thread. You definitely got me laughing, so thanks for that.
@reddawgs77 – the throw at before the Half showed me that Wood’s qb should not be starting. It appeared to me he couldn’t throw the ball more then 30 yards. He should have had 4 int if the rtp wasn’t called. All 3 int were on him.
Who called Neshaminy winning District 1 after week 3? Yep, that’s right. Very surprised at the score even though their defense has been solid all year.
Should be a very tough game next week regardless of their opponent.
Question to Neshaminy:
How did Pennsbury beat you ? Not only did they beat you, they shut you out ( save 3 points)!
How? Was your RB out for that game? That’s the only thing I can conclude.
Doug
You are correct Berwick fans get do riled up its hilarious. Say one thing negative and they all start crying. Holy cow.
@d6..cool…we’ll have to attend a future game together
@ everyone else, breaking news: Berwick/wood game cancelled because everyone from Philly says Dawgs don’t stand a chance.
And Jive, I’m not biased…I never count out an undefeated Curry team…never. You’d have to be a fool to do so. I’ll bet you were one who never thought Wyomissing should have never been on the field with Imhotep last year.
Billy, i am just over the mountain from you.
HAHAHA here comes bias billy to the thread. Wood’s QB will not makes a difference in this game. They will run behind their 1500lb line, up and down the field. Only chance Berwick has is if Wood’s bus breaks down. Anybody know where this game will be played?
Christmas Cheer,
You are spot on in your post. Wood rolls Berwick but loses to
Prep or McD in final. They are one year away from Gold again. Although I will say Monaghan at QB was much better than what they have now. Wood will lose in the Chsmp Game this year because they are very weak at QB and almost no passing game. Three easy TDs were under thrown last night by 5 yards for INT. They needed to give the other Soph a shot or the Junior backup earlier in the year. But too late at this point
Note to Berwick: Stack 9 in the box all game long.
@Splain
That was my point exactly yes they did lose twice because they are young and inconsistent. They are certainly not unbeatable but Berwick won’t be the one to do it.
@Jim B
You are living in the past, the power shifted away from leagues like Wyoming Valley many years ago, never to return. Once in a while someone from that league may stick its head out and surprise but the consistent power year after year now resides in the Suburban One and Phila Catholic Leagues.
Billy
I set all HS football odds for Vegas. It’s a great job. My God, Berwick people are so easy to get riled. LOL.
Well said DanD !
Any idea where the Berwick/Wood game will be played?
oooops! that should say Erie Prep lol
@DanD,
That’s good stuff my friend!. There is nothing that galvanizes a town quite like its HS football team……..Does Berwick have a chance? absolutely! DO I think they are big underdogs? yes. But as I always say…that why they play the games….I think Wood will win because of team speed. I was at the Berwick/Beca game and saw that Berwick had much trouble with Beca’s speed. For most of the game their WR’s were wide open all over the field. And to be quite honest Beca is a very average team…..Whichever team wins unfortunately looks like they will be playing for 2nd. I watched Mcdevitt last nite and WOW! Players everywhere! and they may not even beat Erin prep lol
lol @ Doug….where you get your book odds on HS football? lol……and Xmas cheer…didn’t Wood lose twice??? Why, yes they did
Wood was a very good team as I expected. The public league stands no shot against a team that recruits. I will say that Wood’s starting quarterback is not very good. He made 2 good throws besides that everything was under thrown. I still don’t know how your 6’2+ and can’t throw a football more then 30 yards.
Christmas Cheer
What “league” do you represent? I would bet the Wyoming Valley Confernce’s eight State Tiltes are more then your “league”.
I admit I’m from Berwick and hope we beat Wood but I’m not going to cry if we don’t. I’m sure Wood is great and is stacked for years to come, however last I checked Berwicks 7/8 team, freshman team, and jv team all went undefeated so Berwick isn’t going anywhere the next few years. Will they win a state title this or next year who knows. I do know that this season has brought the town together and it truly feels like the old days. Over the last 30 years Berwick always played the big programs. St ignatious, McDevitt when they had McCoy. Manheim when they had Jeff Smoker, ACC, Strath haven. Did they win every game maybe not but everyone was close and for whatever reason they always seem to come back the next year and win. So instead of constantly just saying Berwick has no chance lets just wait and enjoy the game. You have no idea what could happen. Weather, turnovers and injuries could come into play. Unlike some of these posts I just hope for a great game. Win or lose it will build character. Once again I will be cheering for the Dawgs but I’m not here to predict winners and losers I just hope for another classic football game that we can talk about for years to come!
Berwick is a 21 point under dog to Wood, and if they manage to shock the Vikes, they will enter the title game as 28 point under dogs to Prep or McD.
@ Colin
Okay I’ll get it started…..Wood rolls over Berwick, they just don’t see that size and speed and overall talent in the weak league that Berwick plays in. What’s alarming is that Wood is playing mostly juniors and sophs so may be a year early for state title. 2014 could be 2011 all over again for Wood.
Neshaminy 42-7 over North Penn is a bit surprising, the score perhaps but not the outcome. North Penn was fool’s gold, they benefitted a great deal from what was the weakest Suburban One Continental in recent years and they were manhandled by the only three legit teams on their schedule. Give the Knights credit they played a little better in the playoffs but this was not one of NP’s better teams.
yo D6, did you go to the game? Where ya callin home? I’m in centre hall…
First night went as expected. Clearfield didnt belong as usual, got lucky by playing in a weak bracket. McDevitt vs Prep will be a great game to watch next week. Neshaminy score surprised me.
@eric, there’s a school yard you can park in across the street, also plenty of street parking
@Colin,
Funny!
@eric,
I don’t know if they will use the school yard across the street, even if they do it’s not good. Not a bad neighborhood at all, street parking is around. Park a few blocks away and walk on up.
CONGRATS !!!!! to the OLD FORGE BLUE DEVILS
AKA ” IRON DEVILS”
BELIEVE IT !
ACHIEVE IT !
One game at a time !
One play at a time !
Making the Lackawanna Football Conference
and District 2
P R O U D !!!!!!
AHHH AH DEVILS
AHHH AH DEVILS
Great job coaches !!
Eric,
I imagine they use the lot for Leeds middle school right next to the stadium.
Berwick vs Wood………Let the trash talk commence lol
Update:
Wood 42-14 FINAL
A lot of mercy ruling going on tonight.
Berwick 44-7
Wood 42-6
Old Forge 35-0
McD 48-7
Neshaminy 42-7
Does anyone know how the parking and seating is at germantown
@????,
Good stuff on the articles! I like your input with the Imhotep stuff, I think you’re on the inside. Like I said about 4.4, it’s really fast and not realistic for most high school kids. The article on Moore, who I think is a fantastic receiver, said he was timed at 4.6, he thinks he can run a 4.5. Prep force has thrones at 4.5, I’m not a fan of them pay for info recruiting sites, but I’ll go with it. Still only documented time I have seen for Scott puts him at 4.68. All highly respectable times, just not 4.4.
A lot of talk about IC bcuz of them being a charter. Don’t believe the charter hype!! Most don’t know that charter schools receive 20-25% less dollars than Philly public schools, but are required to outperform traditional public schools. Crazy right!?!?! Catholic schools can pick the cream of the crop in their area, and from across the county lines. Charters can’t!!
@rrmark im not sure about brandon purrone but i know what you mean it didnt look good yesterday he was in alot of pain
@ Facts
Never did I say anything negative about the players. They are talented and I think they will absolutely win the AA title. Can’t emphasize that enough.
Now we are throwing throwing around data on this site like an encyclopedia. What is the NFHS # on that rule of athletes participating in 6 quarters. It sounds logical and safe however I can’t find it in my rule book. I am probably just interpreting it the wrong way. By the way Facts, weren’t you the one who was ripping me about BYE week D12 receives and made the statement that IC played their players the whole game last season. Which you said makes the BYE legit for D12. Isn’t that a little hypocritical of the Catty guys stating thy did that also? With the whole transfer data, I followed what Jive stated about a player from WC that is playing with IC, no big deal, just don’t play the gridiron gang philosophy here. So is Jive wrong or are you? I kinda follow his facts a little more attentively and he provides NFHS #’s for rules.
I really do wish the best for our teams in the East and if IC makes it. Rest assured I will be rooting for them to take it all.
Also, I agree with the 4.4 concept. People have no idea how fast that is. Check the Penntrackxc for data on your local kids on how they perform in track. Kids that run sub 11 seconds F.A.T. In the 100M can run about 4.5’s legit. Check how many kids we have in the state that run sub 11. How many of them play football? You will value 4.4 a little more.
Here’s Nyeem Thrones 40
http://www.prepforce.com/user/Nyeem_Thrones_nyeemt
Jiveturkey
To answer your questions about Henry hynosky being from mt caramel u are right the old hynoskys are from caramel but by the time Henry was a young boy an coming up thru Grade school the Family have moved to the Southern Columbia school district your still allowed to move your family any where u want to live as far as I know.. And for the Gus fielder kid from Simon Gratz that was a troubled teen that was in trouble in the Philly area and was sent to the red rock job corps center which is a home for troubled teens to live an work a job now I’m not 100 percent sure on this for it was about 17 years ago but from what I heard back then is that he was adopted by someone that lived in the ber area so that’s how he got to ber ..now where would that kid have been if it wasn’t for ber football who knows maybe living on the streets somewhere.. He came to ber and in time put his grades through the roof and got his self A Division I scholarship at Penn State..now that whole thing was investigated by the PIAA back then to make sure everything was legit and they found nothing birth certificate was good age was good everything was legit and and in order case closed…
@jive
Here’s the temple link on DJ Moore
http://temple.247sports.com/Article/DJ-Moore-recruiting-update-134048
@jive
Penn State timed D Scott at 4.43 I was there interviewing him after he ran it and DJ Moore had 4.6 posted wrong time but Thrones 4.6 too
We’ll facts ???? Just named u 3 kids that run in the 4.4 range an that Nasir bonner kid ran about a 4.47 as we’ll..an I’m not talkin about one 300 pound lineman lots of schools have one I’m talkin a whole O line that averages bout 6foot 4 an 300 pounds or dam close to it . But yes you are right IC is lookin more like a nike combine team.. So u better get your facts facts if u wanna play this game. An no I’m not one of them people that cry bout IC should play up a class or 2 cuz u have a huge team or a 70 man roster if your school enrollment is AA than its fair u play AA.. Now I’m not bashing IC nor do I think it’s a bad school I think it’s a good thing to give the inner city kids a chance to go to a good sports program and have a good division I or II future when they cant afford to go to one of the big fancy Catholic schools..now go out an get your self a AA state title an bring one home for the east. Good luck to all the teams still playing cuz when your still playing football at this time of year it means u have a dam good football team there are no weeks sisters this time year…
Eric… do you know if Brandon Purrone is done as well? It didn’t look good after he re-injured his knee yesterday.
@????,
I think because the term 4.4 40 is thrown around so much, people don’t realize how fast that is. That time is pushing Olympic fast. To have one kid on a team run a 4.4 is amazing, 3 kids is unheard of. ESPN recruiting has Scott at 4.68, I think ESPN is pretty reputable. From track times I have seen, I know Scott is a faster sprinter than Moore. Couldn’t find anything on Thrones. I’m sure somebody told you them times, but sometimes people exaggerate about it. 4.68 for a high school kid is really fast, and he will only get faster with the trainers at ASU.
@the quite one,
I hear ya. I was involved with a team in that league a few years ago. We had 5 or 6 8th graders that were pretty darn good. We were told at our 2nd practice that the kids would lose a year of eligibility if they played, we took their equipment and sent them on their way. Kinda funny cause we went from “Yahoo, we’re really good”, to “gonna be a long winter”, in a 5 minute span.
Ravon burton is gone for the yeat and getting surgery december 4th on his knee his backup isnt to bad though
@facts
IC has about 3 kids that run a 4.4 DJ Moore Temple camp ran a 4.46 Deandre Scott ran a 4.43 Nyeem Thrones 4.49
@ jive you right about the concussion problem. There is a unlimited weight winter football league for kids who can’t make pound ball weight , and if an incoming ninth grader played in that league while in the eight grade will cause that high school team its season. Piaa is really serous about that rule, some coaches has over heard that one or two of their player was in that league and had to sit them down or lose the season. I thought it was unfair because all other sports like track, basketball, etc can play year round and get better. So a coach at a middle school and i spoke with one of the officials of piaa and he was really serious about kids playing more than 6 quarters in a 7 day spend and playing fall and winter football. I wish that I could remember his name i would put it on this blog so that you could check it out yourself.
Catasaqua will play their starters for four quarters tomorrow afternoon. I’ve never heard of the rule but I can understand it. It would be interesting if catty would win would Imhotep contest the game? Haha, I’d hope not. Imhotep is a heavy favorite and if catty can play a complete game then maybe they don’t get mercy ruled!
PS: I was told from someone inside the catty program that Burton will not play and is done for the season.
This year we had weather delays the pushed games to sunday and monday in the Lacakwanna Conference,and thouse teams playes the next friday.Easton and Stroudsburg have both played their full teams on Thanksgiven and then Saturday in the States playoffs.So is this a PIAA rule that we just enforce when we want to ?
@Jive, I believe the rule is actually 6 quarters in a given week not a 7 day period so that would explain it. I believe the intent of the rule was to originally keep a kid from playing a full JV game as well as a full varsity game in a given week.
I never heard of that 6 quarters in one week rule. Interesting.
I doubt that Catty will adhere to that, as I believe they shouldn’t. That will definitely seal their fate. Be tough enough as is.
Does anyone know if their ( Catty’s) star running back, RaVon Burton, is able to play ?
2nd half Catty defensive players especially were going through the motions just trying to stay healthy. They did sub quite a bit to get non starting seniors playing time. But there is a big drop off from 1’s to 2’s. That game is about the seniors for both teams and tanking it would have been a glaring disservice to Northampton.
We all know why King won. I even read Crosby was moaning about having to play the game. He didn’t want to out there on a cold T-day morning and neither did the kids. But Catty’s game is a different story.
@Uptown,
This is probably a dumb question, but I’ve never been accused of being a rocket scientist. With the 6 quarters in the 7 day period rule, what about teams that play Saturday and then the following Friday? I’m guessing there is some kind of exception on something like that, because we have that happen often around here. Any idea?
AAA predictions
Wood over Academy Park by 21
Berwick over Clearfield by 7
McDevitt over Manheim Central by 14
Erie Prep over West Allegheny by 28
@Dawgs93
I know 1A teams with 300 linemen. So are you saying a team should move up their classification based on the size of their linemen? You are really reaching… Also, I never heard of any IC kids running a 4.4 40… Which player did that? That would be a Nike combine record which I’m pretty sure they attended just like all the other D12 kids… Stop reaching buddy..
This is IC 9th or 10th year.. They have a kid whose a senior playing at USC (Pac 12) and have two Juniors playing at Temple. So they didn’t just fall out of the air, they been here… Just because YOU never heard of them is all your fault..
@RRMark
You pulled that card a long time ago..
@eric
I agree.. remember the same gents who are crying about IC not moving up or playing in their own league, said last year they will no doubt win it all… but what happen? So their theory of an unfair advantage holds no water.. As matter of fact, 3 out of the 4 champs last year were public schools.. Oh may, can’t be!!
@tsaf
I totally agree.. would it be fair to move those kids up? BTW, Philly has no boundaries so all the kids in Philly can chose the majority of schools they want to go to.. So basically, the whole D12 should move up? Right? Come on guys, let the kids play..
Also, there is a PIAA rule that clearly states a player can only play 6 quarters a week. I believe thats why IC took their kids out in the 2nd, they know they will need all 4 quarters on Saturday.. Catty is a good team..
AND FOR THE RECORD, IC HAS NO STARTERS ON THEIR CURRENT ROSTER WHO TRANSFERRED FROM ANOTHER SCHOOL.. Just give those players and staff credit and stop looking for angles as to why a program can be successful.
@Uptown,
Thanks man, I had no idea about that rule. Makes a lot of sense when you think about it, especially with the spotlight being on concussions and amount of live hits to the head and such.
i doubt imhotep will protest the catty kids playing. my nephew plays for northampton i was at the game today and im worried catty could get rolled. catty was up 30 to.0 at half but let up 2 touchdowns in 4 minutes to make it 30 to 14 on cattys starters. i love my nephew but Northampton was a very poor team this year. hopefully catty can pull the upset but im not sure they have much of a chance especially without their star runningback. but as a fan of district 11 i hope they can beat the odds and do it!
@eric, La Salle could have protested and forced easton to sit players for 2 quarters but showed class and decided to let the kids play the game.
Ignorance to a rule does not make it not a rule.
@JiveTurkey
as eric has shown that he is unaware of, there is a PIAA rule that states a player may only play 6 quarters of football per week. It was designed to prevent kids from playing a full JV and Varsity game in the same week, but still applies to a kid playing in two varsity games in a 7 day period that does not include a make up game.
Catty can play there starters the hole game easton did it when they played lasalle collage a couple of yeats ago and they kept thete starters the hole game on thanksgiving against pburg
@ Jive
I also agree about Philly only being in the PIAA for 7 years. Had they been in longer, there wouldn’t be as many state titles in AA, AAA, and AAAA in other districts. Southern would still have its stranglehold however in class A.
@ Jive
I agree with the singling out of IC, however that is where this ambiguity of them being equal to a PCL school needs to be justified. You can’t preach poverty and brag about being equal to a PCL school. You can’t make statements that the team has been building for this unlike Wood, WC and La Salle etc. who pick those kids when you have transfers starting. Most of all, you can’t call them a public school when they are not held to the standards of public schools because their school still exists. Look at the scores, shouldn’t their charter be gone by now? Are we producing educated student/athletes or are we making a sports factory?
The kids from IC are doing a fantastic job and will likely win a class AA state title. They have kids on that team with bright futures going on to play football or other sports in college. They put that Charter on the map, however the charter is not holding up it’s end of the bargain by giving them the necessities to be successful after High School. The PCL, does similar things when it comes to making sports powers however they also display an acute attention to detail when it comes to academics. I have cousins who have graduated from Prep that are now a meteorologist, pediatrician etc. and attribute a lot from Prep for preparation in college. They also played ball but weren’t as good as a Rich Gannon to play at the next level.
That is why the PCL gets a little more slack on my end than Charter powers. When they actually become “Superman” like the conservative media paints them to be, then I will have a little more respect for the institution however the kids from IC get the respect for their abilities and perseverance into the state playoffs. Good for them and good luck to the teams still playing this week.
@eric,
Since 2008, when Philly joined the PIAA, D12 has outshined both D4 and D11. D12 has 7 title appearances and 3 titles. D4 has 2 appearances and 1 title. (MCA has none of either, just for the record. In fact, they haven’t even sniffed Hershey for over a decade.) I know you’ll say, “well I’m a D11 guy”. Covered that too! D11 has 2 appearances winning both. (Neither of them were catty) Don’t you do any research before you make these silly comments?
@ Uptown football,
What is the rule on eligibility you are speaking of? Not being a wise guy at all, just never heard anything like that.
@ Uptown football
So, this is why D12 needed a bye in the PIAA playoffs? So they could rest their starters after 2 quarters of play in a game that has no baring on them moving on? Just asking.
This Imhotep Team is so impressive took out starters in 1quater score was 22-6 2nd team held there own against king varsity for 2,3,4 with final score 32-30 king won but for them to keep there varsity in the whole game and struggle with imhotep 2nd string is just a insight of the up coming talent coming up in the years
Wow, eric you did see right, King won on a last play hail mary.
Did I see that Catty, unlike Imhotep, played their starters into the 4th quarter? I saw Imhotep’s varsity, who were up 22-6 at the half, come out wearing warmups for the whole second half.
I wonder if Catty’s coaches realize their starters are now only eligible to play 2 quarters on Saturday? Or are they un-knowledgeable about the rules for eligibility?
What school do you root for doug
Im from catty and daeg93 is right how many state titles does philly have mount carmel is the winningest team in the statebof pa
Oh wow did i see that right imhotep lost today
Tsaf,
Im not sure what the answer is but just putting the non-boundry schools in the 4A bracket is not that easy a fix. For every Imhotep, Wood, St Joe Prep etc etc you have a Calvary Christian, Delco Christain, ND Green Pond, Future, Nativity BVM, MArian Catholic etc etc. making those schools have to play 4A schools in the playoffs is just crazy. I watched Pitt North Catholic last week win the D7 1A title. If they played PCC,NA or Gateway?…complete mismatch!….Also I think if you would do that the PIAA would have to alter the points system. For instance a team like Delco Christian I don’t think would be able to accumulate enough points to make the 4a playoff because of the much small schools they play. Again not sure what the answer is nut I don’t think its this.
Buddy
Just like 2 years ago when McD spanked Wood 52-0. Oh wait, silly me, Wood spanked McD 52-0. McD not spanking anyone including Wood.
IF McD gets there, which is unlikely, Wood by 10. If Erie Prep gets there, they will probably beat Wood. Wood very young. Next year, look out!
@d6football
Just scroll down to the early October comments I made with some other people on here. You will understand the Charter gimmick and how poorly the majority of them actually are. Some even break state law with how they accept public money yet promote private/religious concepts. Completely illegal.
@dawg93,
You didn’t say they looked like an all-star team. You called them the hand picked AA all-star team. You were taking a shot at them. Don’t back pedal, if you’re gonna make a statement at least own it.
You are aware D12 has only been in the PIAA for a few years. We don’t have any A teams to speak of, maybe one in the whole city. Since D12 joined PIAA the AA and AAA teams you mentioned haven’t made it far enough to play a D12 team. You got me thinking though. Some of the folks that say Imhotep should move up because of the size of their roster. How many kids does SCA have on their roster, 60-70? I thought the Hynoski’s were from Carmel, how did Henry end up at SCA? Hmm, that’s weird. Remember when Berwick got the big lineman from Gratz a few years back? How did that kid get a 5th year of eligibility? Hmm, weird. What’s that saying about glass houses and stones?
Parkland by 6 over SJP
Imhotep by 28 over Catty (though I hope I’m wrong)
What I want is: NP/Prep
What will happen is: NP/Parkland
If Wood meets McDevitt, Wood will get handily spanked.
Let’s get the facts straight… I NEVER said IC will mercy rule Catty.. Catty is a great team and I believe IC will be challenged..
Well Jiveturkey show me on here where I’ve been bashing Imhotep or any other school. All I’ve been sayin is they look like an all star team to me now if that’s good or bad idk u can take that anyway u want to I guess.. But now that we got some goin now let’s look at some things here now u an littleguyscoach say that this school has been around for just a few years now fell out of the sky from nowhere with a 70 man roster a 300 pound O line an D line an everybody Else on the team runs a 4.4 40yard time now that’s just a little AA public school huh now does that sound normal??
Something Else for ya Jiveturkey just for the hell of it us big slow boys been beatin up on city teams since 1988 check your history I’ll save ya the time berwick Southern Columbia Mount caramel 3 coal teams that live in bout a 20 radius with 17 state titles not to bad for a bunch of country boys huh..
Thanks for the info coach.
There is a stream of the mcdevitt vs manheim game friday night on penn live if anyone will be at home wanting to see a fantastic game.
To All
The PIAA just announced the enrollment figures for the next two year cycle.
In D2, Riverside moves up to AA, Wyoming Area moves up to AAA, and Western Wayne drops to AA.
General
In the Class A bracket, Clarion D9, looks potent for the west. Season’s scores – 74-0; 42-7; 62-19; 62-0; 62-0; 46-0; 50-0; 55-0; 55-0; 56-13; 49-0; 56-12; and 55-0 (Thanks, Dave and westernPA football). Most points scored in state average 55.69; best defense in state average 3.46 – all classes. For the past five years it was Clairton coming from the west with such numbers; and they won four times out of five!
If imhotep is going to win the championship with ease why play the games and just hand them the title oh i forgot because they were all that last year till wyomissing got a hold of them
@ phillyboy:
Yes, it’s right in Bethlehem. Parking is tough.
I went several times , but didn’t see a parking lot. I’m sure they have one, but I suspect it is small. I parked on the streets about 2 or 3 blocks away. No fee.
The field is fantastic. And PLENTY of seating.
Must realize, this field is shared by 3 high schools. Liberty, Bechai & Freedom.
@d6football, you also have catholic private schools such as La Salle and St. Joe Prep. Although students at West Catholic, Lansdale Catholic (catholic schools) pay tuition; La Salle and SJP students pay a great deal more.
@d6football, Catholic / private schools charge tuition so students pay to attend. Charter schools are publicly funded although they fall outside the local school district budget. So, they are free just as a public school is.
So, catholic/private, students pay; public/charters, students don’t pay.
@RedDawgs,
Ryan is a good team. I agree they are hands down the best team that didn’t make the playoffs. Considering they were the only team in their league not to make the playoffs. QB got hurt late in the LaSalle game, wouldn’t have changed the outcome. Didn’t play against Roman. Would they have beaten Roman had he played? Maybe, but their defense gave up 28 points. With or without the QB, they did not score 28 points in a league game all season. Roman had a pretty good defense so I doubt that would have been the game they did it. QB played against Judge, again defense gave up 28, and again Ryan lost. Ryan did beat Prep, regardless of how little motivation Prep back-ups had to play that day. However, Ryan still did not score 28 points. They beat a couple AAA teams and some weak D1 teams. None of the D1 teams they beat made the playoffs in their league. Does that make them a VERY good team? I saw them play 3 times and I don’t think so, but everybody is entitled to their opinion.
Philly, Banko Field / BASD; the field is in town, no charge for parking and once the school lots fill up, there is plenty of street parking. No problem with this site at all.
@littleguyscoach
“catty fans and team will have a long ride home after getting beat by 50!”
No more shame than losing to Pittsburgh Central Catholic by 50 or whatever. In fact, more pride and respect. Rough Riders never lose because they never accept a hand up. It’s about playing with dignity.
@tsaf,
I stand by my opinion that the charter school system in Philadelphia is a complete joke. By no means am I saying these kids are getting the same educational opportunities as they would get in Catholic schools. The point I was trying to make is that at least these kids are trying to make something of themselves. I don’t think dawg’s bias is towards D12. I think it’s much deeper than location. You can look at a team picture from Wood and a team picture from Imhotep and know why most of these haters have the opinion they do about Imhotep. Wood is much worse than Imhotep in the way they go after players, why is Imhotep the only one that catches heat? We both know, and it’s not right. Pretty freakin far from being right, and I think that’s pretty sad.
To much talent on catty to get mercy ruled
Was kicking around the idea of driving up to Banko field for the Prep/Parkland game this Saturday. Anybody know if there is parking, and if so do they charge for it. Also, the field itself is in the heart of town, right? Thanks.
Jive
Ryan is a VERY good team, and probably the best team not to make the playoffs. The only reason they did not make the playoffs is because their was hurt and they lost 2 games that screwed them. Ryan would have beaten LS or Prep in playoffs, so Wood losing to them is not horrible.
I agree Wood is not at the same level as last year or 2011, but they are still a Top 10 team in the state right now. The scary thing is that Wood will return 90% of its starters next year-only lose a few to graduation. Next year they will be 5x better than this year.
They will beat Berwick by 40, and I think lose in a close one vs Erie Prep or West Allegheny..
Funny, say anything less than complimentary about a D12 public or charter school and certain people start throwing around the code words for you know what (R word)… “inner city kids” and “your stereotype”. And calling kids “mountain boys”. Always gotta pull that card. That ugly, baitin’, Al Sharptongue card. Now that’s cowardly.
@Facts & littleguyscoach,
I am on your side with this Imhotep thing. However, players did come from other schools, so what, no rules were broken. This is one of the things I brought up last week with fwgritty. Why add fuel to their fire? We all know where the hate in the haters lies. No reason to give them a reason to disparage your comment. I could list some kids that came over after coach Crosby, and so can the haters. Littleguyscoach, did West Catholic close? One of the best players in the state followed Crosby. Even people in Pittsburgh know about that. This team can stand on it’s own and then some, why make things up?
I think everybody that commented on the rule brought a valid point. I agree 100% with tsaf77 on refs not calling everything. I think the refs often look the other way to avoid 5 hour games. I am a strong supporter of, if you call it once it won’t happen again. However, I think some of the refs would rather look the other way than making the effort of reaching for their flag.
Just out of curosity, since i am i the middle of the state, what is the difference between a charter school and a private/catholic school? This isnt meaning to stir up debate, which has already started, i just dont have any charter schools in my area so i am unsure of what the difference is.
@ Jive
Is this the same Jive that completely and statistically ripped apart the whole Charter system, debunking the notion that it is a success education option. Don’t go back on your knowledgeable words, we will think you are a politician. As I have said before, I understand the D12 bias and I don’t blame you for that, but keep some consistency. IC is a really good team that can stay with anyone from the PCL. Now they are a better educational institution?
I understand you want to defend them, but all Dawg was doing was pointing out that they are a stellar team with some questionable attributes. I believe Dawg did not even pick his team to move on after this week against a team that we all know recruits or as my relatives tell me their parents choose to send them to the PCL. All fine and good, no boundaries playing schools with boundaries is unfair. Just move the no boundary schools to AAAA, would solve many issues and scrutinization.
As I stated before, IC will roll to an AA crown, but how are the PCL faithful going to react when guys like Facts etc. are saying that IC could have easily ran the table in the PCL. If the IC people do make that statement, they may have a right to. I agree though with Facts, IC will Mercy rule Catty this week.
Your funny catty puts up alot of points the qb thru 41 td passes how many did imhoteps throw
@Boxer13
You may be right-on with your winner choices, but in 3A your Barons’ are in the west. McDevitt has beaten both of the 4A teams still in the hunt from D3, Cumberland Valley and Lower Dauphin; pretty impressive. Going to be a big challenge for the Barons’.
@Jive & Phillips Jive is correct on the rule,but sometimes you have to wounder about these officals.Some one correct me if i am wrong,i believe the rule says the coach is not allowed on the field between plays.Coach Roth from SCA was almost at the hash mark most of the game,and not even a side line waring.
@ Dawgs 1st off tell me one kid that was recruited to Imhotep just one!!! Coach Crosby got there and not one kid transfered from another school unless the school closed down so get your facts straight , catty fans and team will have a long ride home after getting beat by 50!
@Phillips
There are unfortunately many rules avoided. I have seen coaches walking out to the numbers on the field to call plays. Completely illegal. Hopefully as teams move on there will be more attention to detail. I will say that it is hard to follow every rule in the book.
Here we go again.. Do I have to put up the last 4 years on Imhotep’s rosters to show you all these kids been on the roster as freshmen getting their butts kick. Now they blossomed to be good players, and people like Dawg93 believes they hand picked.
MANHEIM CENTRAL OVER MCDEVITT ,,, Parkland over S.J Prep ,, North Penn over Nasheminy , but some really close games .. And I dont care about any west teams.. lets see what happens .. good luck to all .. GO BARONS.
Just for the hell of it, here’s my opinion on why people, like the dawg93, try to bash Imhotep at every turn. Does the fact that these are inner-city kids at a public school bother you, dawg93? Does it bother you that these inner-city kids would run circles around your mountain boys? Does it bother you that these inner-city kids are breaking the mold of your stereotype and going to school, hope to go to college? Even though it’s a charter school, it’s still funded by public tax dollars, which makes it a public school. Hey dawg93, guess what? You pay PA state tax, right? So in theory you are paying for these kids to get an education. For that, we thank you.
Let’s look at your all-star comment. Public school, school choice, no tuition, no extra incentives. You seem to be a person that respects Wood. Catholic school, school choice, tuition, much better facilities. Tuition pays for them nice facilities. How many of the kids on that all-star team go to school for free? Oh, them inner-city kids don’t count, because they go to school in the suburbs I guess. Wood is not as good this year as most people, who haven’t seen them play, think they are. Remember they lost to the only AAAA CL team that didn’t make the playoffs. They’re good, just not pushing the top of the D12 food chain. Still think, if they both make it to next week, they beat your dawgs by 40. Good luck!
Just for the hell of it here’s my picks for all the gold
AAAA Pittsburgh CC AAA Erie prep
I think those 2 teams can beat some small colleges.
AA all star team Imhotep I think catty can give em a run but in the end I think that hand picked all star team just to big an fast.
A class old forge i watched them totally dominate a good an very big dunmore team 2 weeks ago and in the second-half last week dominate a very good southern Columbia team so if they stay focused and their foot on the gas they will bring home some gold for District 2.. GO BLUE DEVILS
AJ an Reddawg I agree with ya 100percent the dawgs didn’t look to impressive last fir night they did what they had to do to win the game an nothin fancy but the truth is I wasn’t to impressed with the last 3 games we played. I’ve been to every ber game this year the first 10 games looked unstoppable 5 wide throwing ball all over the place 1900 yards passin first 10 games averaging 400 yards total offense then we hit the playoffs and did a complete turnaround went to power run game idk seems to me old George is holdin back some things doing just enought the last few weeks to win holdin back an savein some things for just the right time old George is a Chessplayer ya know.. I think ber will be ready to go if we meet up with wood I hope so anyway..but I’ll tell u one thing win or lose old woods gonna know they were in a football game cuz the dawgs don’t quit we will bring some cool region football down to pilly..
@Phillips,
Immediately was from an old rule book. Substituted player has 3 seconds to engage towards the sideline, if he doesn’t it is 5 yds. If the ball is snapped before he is off the field, into the coaches box, it’s 15 yds.
@Phillips,
At no point are 12 men permitted to be in the huddle. If a substitute comes into the game, the player he is replacing must leave the field immediately. If he does not, that is a 5 yard penalty for 12 men in the huddle. If the 12th man participates in the play, it is a 15 yard penalty for illegal participation. NFHS Rule Book, Rule 4-1, Section 7, Articles 1-6.
Most teams will not substitute in the no huddle offense because if they do, they must allow the defense to also substitute. That eliminates the wear down the defense effect most no huddle offenses are built for.
Can anyone tell me how it is determined who is on the league’s “all team” for first, second third and Honorable mention?
@ tsaf77 @jimturkey : The 12th player ran right by the Head linesman who happen to be the head referee. This just wasn’t one time it was four to five times.
@Phillips
The penalty is “illegal substitution” that you can not “break” the huddle with over 11 men in the huddle. Technically, if the huddle did not “break” and the kid ran off to the sidelines (they have 3 seconds to leave), it is legal. If they did indeed “break” the huddle and then the kid ran off, it is a penalty. If they broke the huddle with the intent to deceive the opponent, it is “illegal participation” 15 yard penalty.
There are teams that run a “no huddle” in which you see many kids running on and off the field with sometimes 14 players before the QB is set under center or in gun/piston. It takes a lot of practice and organization to avoid penalties and cause defenses havoc. Sometimes it is hard for the refs to follow. That is why the “loophole” punt formation rule was changed from “every down” to “4th down” which essentially eliminated the A-11 offense.
Dont underestimate catty and berks catholic in AA
Sorry about the last post, I had nice columns with the numbers under the “east” and “west”, but it did not come through that way.
General
The district shifting recently mentioned was a concern of mine originally also. But, it has really balanced the team numbers.
Before shifts teams per class:
East West
AAAA 111 34
AAA 102 45
AA 68 76 no shifting,fairly balanced
A 44 99
After all the district shifting:
East West
AAAA 81 64
AAA 72 76
AA 68 76 (no districts shifting)
A 67 75
This provides a far greater balance in teams in the classes.
@Phillips,
Absolutely a penalty. That 12th player can run off the field, causing a DB to think he is splitting out as a WR. Snap the ball while DB is over by the sideline and play 11 on 10. If this did in fact happen in a playoff game, shame on the coach that didn’t bring it to the officials attention. Refs should have picked up on this too. Can’t believe a player would run off the field, in front of a line judge, and no flag was thrown. Stranger things have happened but that crew should never get another game if that is the case.
@ phillyboy
Your right I almost forgot about Imhotep, I hear they are on a mission this year. Also agree Pitt.CC appears to be team to beat 4A. That Manheim/McDevitt game should be a great game. Manheim has been blowing teams out all season should be interesting to see if they can match McDevitt’s speed.
@d6football
I agree I don’t like district 3 being in the west. I haven’t seen old forge, but beating Southern Columbia is impressive and with Clairton out this year it could be their year.
@ Dave Mika
Penn live will be broadcasting the McDevitt vs Manheim Central game online. Just a heads up to add it tot he streams if you have not yet. Friday at 6:30 the broadcast will begin.
@ AJ
Techinically AAA is a cluster, since you have “east” teams in the west bracket.
McDevitt vs Prep is the game i am def going to see if they both win this week. Prep has been blowing everyone out even with the loss of the two MSU recruits.
As far as the two smaller classifications I have
Imhotep in AA and THe Old Forge/Steel High winner as the state champs.
@ ROn
I will see you there. I have Berwick as a 10 point favorite right now.
@ AJ
Imhotep in AA I think is a favorite to win it all. I don’t know about Single A. In AAAA Pittsburgh Central Catholic is on cruise control. And Erie CP ostensibly is about as good as last year. Maybe, just maybe Manheim Central can step up. Hope so.
@ d6football
Interesting predictions. I do agree the west seems to have the stronger teams this year. Is there an East team in any class we can say is a favorite to win it all?
@ Dawgs93
My bad I confused my days. I’m thinking Saturday because Parkland/Prep is Sat. I didn’t see Parkland/Easton Live, I saw that game on tv recorded after getting home from Berwick/Beca. On a side note , I think Beca should be good next year a lot of returning people they just need to play and quit all the chatter.
@ Dawgs93
Not sure what your talking about when you say seeing both games on the same night. Parkland/Easton was Friday and Berwick/Beca was on Saturday. Also, Parkland/Beca was in Oct. so you lost me there. However, I hope Berwick was holding back and maybe they had an off nite, because they are going to have to bring it if they think they have a prayer against a possible matchup with Wood next round.
@ RedDawgs77
I agree with your comments your spot on. Thanks.
Is it just me or does IC remind you the miami heat
@ Buddy
Your right Prep/Parkland and NP/Neshaminy both should be close games. I give a slight edge to NP they are hot right now and playing very well. Prep should win but I wouldn’t be surprised if Parkland pulled the upset.
why is southern columbia always ranked higher than the district 2 teams? district 2 has eliminated them 3 out of the last 4 years. riverside, dunmore and old forge have all ended southerns seasons. lets rank southern below dunmore, after all dunmore has beaten old forge, there only loss this year.deal with it.
@ d6football Selinsgrove defeated Jersey Shore 14-6 at Jersey Shore a month ago. Berwick defeated Selinsgrove 36-0 in mid season. Berwick was up 22-0 in first 5 minutes and coasted. If Clearfield can not run against Berwick, it will be a one sided game. Berwick fans are really hyped up for chance of playing Arch Wood in eastern final, expect around 3,000 Berwick fans at Mill Hall
@jimturkey: so during a huddle only 11 guys are allowed to be in the huddle? Not 12 then after the huddle one runs off. Why I ask it happened many times during a playoff game and nothing was called.
Predictions:
AAA
Wood over Academy
Berwick over Clearfield
McDevitt over Manheim
Prep over WA
Wood over Berwick
Prep over McDevitt
Prep Over Wood
AAAA
PCC over McDowell
CV over LD
Parkland over SJP
NP over Neshaminy
PCC over CV
Parkland over NP
PCC over Parkland
I dont think it will be a blowout on Berwick’s side, but sizing up the teams each has played, CLearfield has not played near the level of competition that Berwick has. They are a perennial playoff team, just dont match up come state playoff time. Plus with Selinsgrove being down this year, that part of the bracket was rather easy imo.
AJ you were at both games on the same night at the same time how the hell did u do that bud? An yes if u did go to the berwick game u did see a pretty vanilla offense on that night.. Burwick has a 2000yard passer so they can’t be that vanilla.. But like I said before why get fancy when u don’t have to be if your running the ball right up the gut for 5. 6 yards a pop and they can’t stop it then why stop it right. And yes parkland is a good football team but u can’t say this team would kill this team cuz they only beat this team by a few points different teams cause different problems different matchups coaching injuries turnovers etc.. And the whole rankings crap well that’s just what it is Half the people that rank these teams probably don’t even see these teams play so take those rankings for what they’re worth nothing..
Thoughts?
NP/Neshaminy
Prep/Parkland
I say both very close.
AJ
Totally agree with you on this. I have seen Parkland play and I was at the Becahi vs Berwick game. I walked away from that game thoroughly unimpressed with Berwick. If Dawgs93 thinks that Becahi had good fast team with great athletes, then he hasn’t seen Parkland for sure. Berwick does not have great skill position kids, and honestly their lineman are not very agile. They were able to pound the ball between the tackles against an inferior and undersized Becahi defense. AND they only won the game by 2 points. That will not work against superior teams. As I told Dawg93 in another thread, and I know he thinks I am nuts, but if they face Wood in the semi final they could lose by 28-35 points and potentially get mercy ruled. Not a knock on Berwick or Curry, they are having a great season but to compare the Berwick team that I watched the other night to Parkland is not even close.
Clearfield has a 1900 yard Rusher which is the quarterback a1200 yard rusher and an 800 yard rusher hardly ever pass the ball they average 335 yards rushing a game only average bout 60 yards passing a game.. It could be a tuff game District 9 isn’t known to be real powerful but anything can happen but if we go there an play for 48 min like we can play it should be a good win..
Those Old Forge linemen are the same kids from last year’s team. If Old Forge had beaten Dunmore last year I believe they would have been there at the end. Last year’s D-2 “A” final score was 7-6.
@ Dawgs93
I don’t make the rankings and was merly stating an opinion on observation on the eye test on seeing 7 of the top 10 teams in the rankings play this year. Yes I was at Parkland vs Bethelehem Catholic and Yes also at Berwick vs Bethlehem Catholic ,and wasn’t impressed by Berwick. You obviously haven’t seen Parkland play this year or you would agree with me. Also, if people didn’t care about rankings then why do they keep them?
@d6football
Thank you for the insight; what you said is a mouthful in reality. Not many of the eastern posters’ on this thread have seen many of the western districts’ teams play I would think.
@Phillips,
Pretty sure 12 men in the huddle is the same as a delay of game, 5 yds. Defense can have 100 in the huddle as long as 11 are on the field when the ball is snapped.
Thanks guys
Berwick should be favored over Clearfield. I have watched Clearfield numerous times and their lines do not compare with Berwicks. They do have a Boston College kid at QB who is good, but he is the entire team.
Can someone tell me the high school rule when It comes to too many kids in the huddle.
Thanks
@Buddy
I haven’t seen Berwick personally since 2004 and have never seen Clearfield. Overall stats are mirror images almost – both 13-0;Berwick scoring 40.54 and Clearfield 40.62 per game. Same on D; the Dawgs’ allowing 10.85, and the Bisons’ 12.69; overall pretty close. I don’t know the playoff history of D9, but only two teams (both 1A) have ever reached the finals from D9, and both lost. I think this has the real potential to be a good close one.
wow how strong are thouse Old Forge kids ?SCA was rotating linemen all night and Old Forge was still strong in the 4th quarter!Hats off to Old Forge and Berwick go D2
Yes,
Just how bad will Berwick lose to Clearfield?
Any speculations?
@rr
King
Congrats to GVHS JAGS!!…..another great year!!…keep working hard guys…best of luck in 2014!!!
AJ. Who cares about ranking they mean nothing their good for toilet paper that’s bout it o berwick is ahead of parkland who cares an parkland would kill berwick how u know did we play? No. Parkland beat becahi by this much an berwick only beat em by this much u can’t go by that crap especially when it comes to high school kids an a lot of teams get better every week.. U go by the berwick becahi game u prob weren’t even there I was an not taken nothin away from becahi they have a good fast team with some great athletes but truth is curry prob did even get past his first page in the play book didn’t have to we ran the ball 50 times 45 of them right up the middle same play same formation they knew it was commin an still coulded stop it didn’t show anything fancy an didn’t have to just good old smash mouth football.. So anything else u guys wanna talk about?
@ RRMark. It’s Martin Luther King.
@ aj
while i sort of have the belief that teams get better and its all about how a team plays on that particular day. you are right. i was at the parkland game because becahi is my alma mater and it was not nearly as close as the score says. ive never seen berwick but becahi could play parkland 100 times and probably lose all 100 times. so parkland would probably beat up on berwick.
Can someone tell me who Imhotep plays on Thanksgiving and is it definitely Thanksgiving Day? Just asking since people say one thing (King) and this website says another (BL).
AJ,
I agree. Parkland would absolutely destroy Berwick.
@ Buddy. PIAA site has souderton
@fwgitty and that guy philly thank you
Not sure why Berwick is ranked higher than Parkland. Just lookng at a common opponent. Parkland beat Bethlehem Catholic 49-6 and Berwick barely beat Bethlehem Catholic 29-27. Parkland the better team and would have way too much speed and destroy Berwick if they ever played.
My east big school rankings
1. McDevitt
2. Manheim
3. Prep
4. Parkland
5. Wood
6. North Penn
7. Neshaminy
8. Lower Dauphin
9. Cumberland Valley
10. Berwick
@ Dave Mika:
About the NP/Neshaminy game.
Your website says it’s at Souderton.
Phila. Inquirer say’s it’s at Coatesville.
Can you shed some light on this please?
any one know if there is live streaming for Prep/Parkland Sat. ?
@ Joker1
I saw Prep this year at Wood. Down at the half, they really turned it around in the second half. They have good size and speed, efficient lines on both sides of the ball, and obviously fine coaching. That said, I feel the loss of their fine QB Chris Martin has got to hurt. Fine coaching would never let it be said a factor, and they will compensate, but I believe you are absolutely correct with the “hands full” with Parkland. This should be a good, I think tight one.
What’s the love fest with the Prep? How are they ranked 3rd?
I don’t care who they beat, or the games they are lost are because they didn’t have to win them or they played their JV team yesterday!!! A loss is a Loss!!
They have their hands full on Saturday against Parkland. QB or no QB!
@eric
The Catasqua/Imhotep game is played at the NW Supersite, formerly known as Germantown HS field. The address is Sedgwick and Woolston Ave., Phila. PA 19150
@eric, the stadium is at Woolston and Sedgwick Streets.
Prep/Parkland: Liberty high ( Bethlehem) Sat. 1 pm
Neshaminy/ North Penn: Souderton High Fri. 7pm
Schuylkill Haven vs. Old Forge – at Blue Mountain HS, Friday 11/29 7pm. That’s what I’ve heard.
The catty and imhotep game is at 1 on saturday at germantown high school is the school on high street
General
The 4A class for states sure is taking on a familiar look this year. Fully 7 or the 10 teams remaining have been to the big dance and 5 of those have earned titles! Three-A is almost the same with 6 of the remaining teams a possible repeat champion if they get there. It drops off in 2A, with only 3 teams remaining that have been before, with only one winning previously; and in 1A only two teams remain that could repeat, both in the east, and both have titled.
Hats off to Old Forge. They played awesome last night. I guess I got caught up in the hype. I hope you guys go all the way to Hershey. Again coach blamed his players for the loss. I don’t get that? Anyway GO D2.
The Old Forge/SCA game was a great game. Both teams brought back that old “coal cracker” style of play. It was anyones’ game to win. Shame to see one of them lose but that is the game. Two very tough and classy programs. Good luck to Old Forge against S. Haven.
Also saw the Berwick/Beca score. Another great game last night. Too bad you can’t see them all.
@ Jim B
How ’bout those Blue Devils indeed! That was a shocker. I’m a D2 guy, not an Old Forge fan, but I went to see the game with a couple buddies just for the heck of it – glad we went. Good football game to watch, met a couple of nice Mt. Carmel fans there, good time.
To be honest, I didn’t think Old Forge could pull it out heading in. Heard a lot about Southern Columbia all year – saw the gaudy numbers they were putting up every week, and figured that Old Forge would just be running into a buzzsaw, especially being down in D4 too, nearly 2 hours away. And after Southern got up by two scores pretty quick, I thought it was over.
But for the rest of the game, that Old Forge defense didn’t allow a single point.
It was a great football game, and Southern has nothing to be ashamed of – they’re a great football team, and they had a great season. It was just two great teams going at it, and as a fan of football, I was thankful to be in attendance for a classic.
Catty 33-21 over lehman
How bout those Old Forge Blue Devils!
Jim,
That was an impressive mercy rule victory over Old Forge.
The SCA/Old Forge mercy rule comment was by “Jim”, not me, “Jim B”. lol Just making sure.
Eric,
Nope, I’m not a LL fan. I actually am a Coughlin fan. But, I follow the Wyoming Valley Conference, and D2 in general. I’ll be at the Catty/LL game tonight also. This is the first, and maybe only, chance to see Lehman this year. I’m really interested in seeing Lehman’s 250 pound RB. And also, Parrys Marshall. I remember his dad at UCONN.
PS. Don’t go to WVW High School. The field is about 4 miles up RT 11 in Kingston. The High School is in Plymouth.
Ok, ok… I agree I/we have wrung everything out of this debate. I really don’t intend to rain on the IC kid’s parade. But I see that it is pretty much unavoidable with a topic like this. I only doubled down on it because people were questioning my motives. Yes, in all probability, the IC kids will be getting a Hershey Kiss shower in a few weeks. And they deserve it.
Eric, you left kinda early. Are you walking up? Lol, jk. I will be there too. I hope the rain clears out.
@Jim would be suprised if OldForge was mercy ruled at half time .I can tell you one thing Southern has not seen a team as physcial as Old Forge,better strap it up becuse their going to get hit for 48 min!Lookin for a great game friday night.
@ Facts
Charters in Philly can send their students to play at public schools. It is PA Law.
The PCL is in a league of it’s own. I have mentioned them before on recruiting of superior athletes. Look at West Catholic from seasons ago however Charters are another scenario all together with football and other sports. You have to pay to attend the PCL and actually maintain good grades to stay there. I am not saying the students at IC are not diligent student athletes however the PA assessments speak otherwise. It is just easier at a charter because #1 there is no tuition, #2 they create their own curriculum and #3 are not held accountable for failing.
With that being said, I believe this IC team will smell chocolate this year. I don’t believe there is a team in class AA that can play with them. I was able to watch their games on the web and they are extremely talented and could be considered one of the best teams in PA. I really do believe they can play with any team in AAAA in this state. Just don’t agree with their classification along with the rest of the schools that can draw from that large of a population.
@Doug,
Agree with you 100%
@ Colin
Good point. The PIAA won’t split the public and private schools because they want a true state championship. Without a doubt, it’s the best way. Ohio and Florida and many other states also do it the right way. In my opinion, NJ is a joke. By splitting the public/private playoffs I think they exacerbated any problems they might have had. Now, those top NJ private schools are like Division III colleges. It’s a joke.
Look, Tep hasn’t won squat yet, okay? There’s a chance they could get upset this year. Can they at least get one state title before being pressured to move up? Thanks.
@ Jim
Stirring the pot a bit? I know a lot of people who are down on Old Forge, myself included for most of the year. But if they play the same way that they did against Dunmore this past week – nobody in the state will beat them.
If they can actually duplicate that effort, well, that’s another thing. It’s high school football. They’re all 15, 16, 17 year old kids – you get something different every week. So who knows what’ll actually happen.
If you read the Born Power Index (has an 82% accuracy in predictions), they have Southern Columbia and Old Forge dead even.
I don’t know though. Southern is a very good team, as always, and this year I’d say they’re even better. And I’m sure they have a chip on their shoulder too, and want to finish the job this year. But I’m sure Old Forge does too.
As a neutral observer, and someone who’s attending the game, I hope it isn’t a blowout either way. I hope is a great, competitive game to watch. And as always, good luck and good health to both teams.
@ everyone………Everybody makes good points about the classification issue. But I think we are all beating a dead horse because the PIAA isn’t changing anything. This issue is minor in football compared to basketball. The PIAA is not going to institute a non-public division. Former PIAA head honcho BRad Cashman already said that.I remember when the Philly schools first entered and Cashman said PA finally can have a true state tournament. Right or wrong in the end this is what we have and I don’t believe the PIAA is going to make any drastic changes.
Im heading up to wyoming west high school tomorrow night to see the catty lake-lehmen game go roughies
@ Jive Turkey
The fault doesn’t lie with the kids. It lies with the PIAA.
Tsaf
Ben Franklin is allowed to play kids from 3 other area High schools who do not have football programs, that’s why they are in 3A. King can utilize two other schools also. As matter of fact all Philly schools are allowed to play and utilize kids who either attend neighboring schools without football programs or utilize kids who attend schools across the city but live in that schools neighborhood.
All of the city public schools can do this in D12, Charters and Catholics can’t!! So the playing field is even in D12, plus I’m hearing IC will be moving up next year. You’re only allowed to do it every two years I believe.
IC’s team is awesome but it wasn’t a powerhouse when these kids playing now were Freshmen and Sophomores. Their current QB took them to the states as a freshmen QB. That massive offensive line all started as freshmen and were getting their butts handed to them. Now, they’re Seniors and you see the results but for God’s sake, most of them never even been in Hershey stadium before and they’re being criticize for trying to get there.
I can see if they were all brought there this year as all-stars, but they were nobodies as freshmen and now they are being criticize for becoming better student athletes today..
I’m done, let the questions be answered by the kids on the field and not by old geezers like us behind a computer screen.. Stay warm fellas..
I don’t think Old Forge is balanced enough on offense.
Once again, who is knocking the players??? No one!!! I’ve said all along it is a PIAA rules issue. And I have cited Catholic, private, prep and charter schools equally. Of course, I am a fan of an AA school so I am going to focus on that classification. I would do the same if Prep Charter hired a high profile coach, started bringing in the best players and grew their roster to one third of male enrollment. Eastern Christian has 53 cyber students who all play football at an elite level. Do I, would anyone, think they should be put in class A if they resided in PA? Yeah, they might even beat Southern Columbia, lol. I even mentioned the Unger kid from Fleetwood switching to Wyomissing for last year. He certainly added another dimension to that team in the playoffs (passing). He sat out 12 games or whatever. And that was only because Fleetwood SD balked (Unger’s dad moved he an his son into an apartment in Wyomissing shortly before requesting the transfer). I would have excluded him from playoffs too. Did David Williams sit out any games last season? What does Wood crying have to do with the anything? If there is a problem with the rules, they should fix it to benefit all. Yes, some teams will protest. Wood could certainly stay at AAA in other sports while moving to AAAA in football. As has been pointed out, Aliquippa and others compete above their technical classification.
Again, I think there are a few of us in here who agree there is a problem. I can confidently say that no one is blaming the kids. If any kids should suffer as a result of rule changes, that is the fault of the PIAA and other adults who have inexplicably let the situation continue to the benefit of a few.
From what I have heard, Catty’s Ra’Von Burton will be sitting out the Lake-Lehman game (knee). Likely to return after that. Rushing duties will be handled by senior Devin Flores. Note: this is intended solely as a courtesy update for anyone interested.
I’m gonna throw my 2 cents in this classification/school choice debate. It all comes down to bringing in the best players without breaking PIAA rules. Do the rules need to be changed, probably. I just don’t see how Imhotep is the only school catching heat on this. The QB at Wood live in Quakertown, does anybody say anything about that? I could go on and on about players they bring in from other towns, schools, and states. Do they get a pass because they’re Wood and Imhotep is Imhotep? Do all of the Tep kids walk to school? Of course not, but the rules are that they can live in the city, and go to any school in the city. The big D1 lineman at Tep lives closer to 5 other high schools, 3 of them charters with much better academics. I could argue for or against these schools all day, but they are not breaking any rules. There has been a vote in the CL over the past few years about all of their schools playing in AAAA. Two schools continually vote against it, Wood and West. West had dominated AA football in the area up until 2 years ago, and Wood has been the AAA state champ in many sports since joining PIAA. Imhotep has zero state titles and zero state title appearances in football, yet folks are crying for a move up to AAA or AAAA. If Tep moves up to AAA you know who would be crying from the rafters? Wood! There is no easy way. Maybe classification should be based on the population your school draws from? I don’t have the answer. I just don’t understand why a team of kids, playing by the rules set forth for them, are getting knocked for being good. By no means am I saying the rules are right, but as of now, they are the rules.
How about the SCA Tigers. Does Old Forge even stand a chance? I say mercy rule by halftime.
@ That Guy Philly
I am using the numbers that were given to the PIAA for the current 2 year cycle. The new numbers were gathered in October but were not made public for the next cycle yet.
I am not very familiar with the cap on Charters but I was able to do some digging on the subject and it revealed some interesting data on them. I don’t want to beat a “dead horse” with the Charter saga and I am not attacking the kids as they are having a fantastic year and deserve all the credit for their superior play. The institution that uses them as a business by allocating state funds to these charters and holds no accountability for the money spent there is at fault. Look at how your charters are performing in comparison to the SD of Philly. I don’t see the better performing schools to be Charters.
These Charters get over $8,200 per student and over $22,000 for students with special needs. These rates also include transportation which the charters do not provide. The reason for the Cap, as you say, is that the SD of Philly had to set aside tens of millions of dollars from their budget because they can not account for 4,000 students whom supposedly were attending Charters. The Charters in return, refuse to sign their PA Charter licenses to function. The Charters want the $$$$ without the accountability of these students. I think I have a problem with that and don’t blame the SD of Philly for holding the funds and thus capping these institutions.
Now to the concept of “manning up.” I think schools have manned up pretty well against overwhelming odds and have played the Philly schools fairly well. To say that you understand the 6000 population and Catty as an AA school and answer my questions about the possibility of athletes all choosing to attend the same school in Philly, well that is just ludicrous!
For example, I am more familiar with northeastern PA. The school districts in my area that boarder each other are Abington Heights(AAA), Scranton(AAAA), West Scranton (AAA), Dunmore(A), Lakeland(AA), Valley View(AAA) and Old Forge(A). Each School District has their own youth programs. If the districts all merged into one like Philly, than the best football players can actually attend Dunmore or Old Forge and remain in class A when they are actually drawing from a population that includes 3 AAA schools, 1 AAAA school, 1 AA school and 2 A schools. How should Dunmore or Old Forge remain class A when their enrollment of 95 boys holds the top 50 players in the whole region. I understand it is hard to police that however give a little more respect than a phrase like “Man Up.”
By the way, Aliquippa (AA) and Jeanette (AA) along with Allentown Central Catholic (AAA) and Bethlehem Catholic (AAA) are all playing up one class. Actually, so is Ben Franklin High School in District 12 (AAA) with an enrollment of 257. I am just saying, your school can declare to move up in class this next cycle with those great youth programs. One of your schools already did this.
While I am at it, I understand the Thanksgiving Day games that take place and their impacts on the community. If this is such a priority, than don’t complain about playing 3 games in 8 days like the teams from other districts that do it. If Easton beats Parkland, they will play THREE GAMES IN EIGHT DAYS. Same with Catty. So, no sorry, I don’t see why D12 doesn’t have to play a PIAA 1st round game in class AA, AAA, and AAAA. Needs to be changed.
Back to the games to be played this week.
Fwgritty,
Congrats to them and all the Imhotep players, coaches, parents and fans!
Wilson & CV
just a guess based on seedings.
I have no idea whose who up there.
I have decided to not censor my comments just because others are unreasonable. As I normally do, I will not disparage anyone for their own opinions. I am adult enough to calmly debate any topic and I will continue to comment on any football related subject I see fit. If you feel “disrespected”, I say man up and grow up.
The benefits of “big cities”, or bigger populations, in terms of athletics (which is what we are talking about) are normally offset by being placed in a higher classification. The PIAA has decided that male enrollment numbers is the best way to do that. And it has worked well in the past when nearly all schools were easily defined and limited by geographic boundaries. If a school doesn’t abide by a boundary, and is allowed (or forced) to stay in a lower classification, all the while continuing to enroll whichever and as many football players as they wish, then there is a competitive advantage. That is not even debatable. If they suddenly decided to let Liberty High School in Bethlehem, PA cut their male enrollment to class AA numbers but still be able to enroll whatever players they wanted from the entire city, I don’t think anyone would seriously say it was fair. Yet oddly, some people would continue to argue that it was just so it wouldn’t taint their favorite team’s state title. They could argue that their school doesn’t seek out the best athletes for admission. But the evidence proves otherwise. And, in any case, not taking advantage does not mean the situation doesn’t need to be changed. They don’t make drag racing legal just because the vast majority of drivers would never think of doing it. A few COULD. And if they own a tuned up hot rod, chances are good that it wasn’t just by accident.
The only way I can see to remedy the situation would be to, yes, segregate those schools into their own athletic association (non-public) ala New Jersey. New Jersey is smart enough to know that Don Bosco Prep should not compete against say a Phillipsburg, which I believe has roughly the same male enrollment. Is there anyone in here that would honestly admit they think that would be right? I guess they would say I was “whining” again.
Any thoughts on who will win Friday nights semi-final games in D3. Wilson (1) vs Lower Dauphin (4) in one and Dallastown (3) vs Cumberland Valley (2)in the other semi ??
@RRmark
Just to humor you for the record:
DeAndre Scott/ATH verbally commits to ASU on Monday.
Aaron Ruff/OL committed to Temple.
There are no outstanding stats on this team due to the fact by halftime the games mostly are under the mercy rule. Over 20 players have scored TDs this season. Those are just 2 of many more student/athletes to get scholarship offers. Lastly 19 student/athletes from the FB program received scholarships, 18 athletic/1 academic.
@tsaf77
Are you basing those enrollment numbers from 2 years ago when they had to declare their classification for the 2-year period or the number now since the School Disfunction of Philadelphia illegally capped and reduced the number of students they could enroll?
Not to speak for my man Facts, but to answer your question, yes it would be possible for the students to go to ANY of the schools in the area.
I get your point about Catty pulling from a small 6000 person community, I’m sure the residents there enjoy benefits of small town life. However they choose to live there and therefore shouldn’t complain about the benefits of big cities. Because of the big city there are more youth programs to expose kids to the game. The fact that a charter school with AA enrollment offers better academics and a safer environment than the majority of public high schools in the area shouldn’t be held against them.
@tsaff77 the rest isn’t directed at you specifically, but a general comment to all the people whining about teams having an advantage
I have no problems with anyone who wants to come on here and debate the pro’s and con’s of Imhotep on the field. But if you want to come on here and whine about community sizes I say man up. If you want to complain about the advantages charter schools have, I say go talk to the legislators that forced the charter schools on Philly as part of the school takeovers. I come here to talk about the accomplishments of these kids on the field and classroom, can we move on to doing that.
@Trad31 ya strap it up real tight i think you going to see a good old fashion coal area football war!
By the way Facts,
Just because you keep that ambiguous name, Imhotep is 13 kids away from being AAA. I don’t consider that (small AA). Now Aliquippa being an A school like I said is the smallest in class AA with 130.
@ Facts
I think you completely missed the point of the Catty reference in having a population of 6000 vs Philadelphia with 1.5 million (5th largest city in the U.S.). Yes IC is surrounded by many other schools that kids can CHOOSE to attend. If the kids of Philly wanted to choose a team (school) knowing the success they can have, can they? You said these schools have no boundaries so would it be possible for the best players to choose to go to IC? I hope that is a clear question.
By the way, your hilarious rant after you mentioned the size of the Catty receivers was very difficult to divulge which reminded me of the movie Billy Madison with the quote
“what you’ve just said… is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul…”
Yeah, that quote is relevant of your rant. No offense, just humorous.
Hey buddy… It’s not the coffee, it’s the empty banter you follow up with when asked a question. Your supposed to be able to have a dialog about your predictions, back it up, add an ounce of thought, something.
There are 3 guys in Seattle sleeping under a rock who could explain why a team won or loss after the game is over!
Ohhhh I get it, this way you can’t be call a “flip flop”! Lose some of your credibility since you been saying for 3 months they have to rebuild, they are not that good, the QB, bla, bla, bla. He is efficient and that’s all he needs to be. Lol!!!!!
PV is overmatched across the board and will most likely get blown out. It’s really that simple, I could go on and on with specifics, but not necessary.
@ rrmark i know what you mean im a die hard catty fan went to all the gamrs and im so proud of what these kids accomplished with catty being the smallest school in the league im going to enjoy the ride till the end
@JiveTurkey
My apologies, I thought you were trying to attack this program. I too am familiar with the kids on this team. I’m one of the harshest critics of their play. I told them not to underestimate ECA. I love these young men for what they are accomplishing and want them to achieve more. I make no excuses for them. Thanks
@rrmark i love people that hide behind blogs as yourself and try to insult others you coward. This suppose to be about football and you making this personnel. But hey that’s what cowards do.
Lake lehmans opponents record is a combine 41-62 cattys is 52-53
@D11,
Both Easton or Parkland can beat St Joes prep. I saw Parkland twice this year. They look pretty good. Peaking at the right time. Easton is always Easton. Watched the D12 final on the web. Prep did not play well but you have to credit Frankford for that as well as the Prep probably looking past them……Heres how I see it. If Prep’s starting QB plays I think they will beat either Parkland or Easton. If he doesn’t The D11 rep has a good chance to win…Just the way I see it.
If catty takes the lead lake lehmen is in trouble and there one dimentional whete catty isnt
@ Joker 1:
I’ll give you my explanation after the game.
Until then, try the decaf.
Yes, I think “the facts” just might also be “the quite one”. He doesn’t seem to know how to spell though (quite for quiet and band for banned). He skipped vocabulary in school. See, I didn’t even need to call you any names.
Good luck Andre Dreuitt, Nasir Bonner and D’Andre Scott et al. on the rest of your amazing season. See, I am the first person in a while to give these kids some props. And it wasn’t even to brag about all their D1 offers or to use them to claim someone else was hating on them.
I have observed both Lake Lehman and Old Forge. For Catty to beat Lake Lehman, they will have move the ball off tackle. Inside run (dive, iso, trap and zone) will be plugged because their FB is also their D Tackle and he moves faster than the 6′ 7″ tackle. The FB is also a top recruit of the IVY league from what I have been told.
Old Forge will be strong defensively with their 2 inside backers #4 and #32. Southern probably has backers equal but definitely not better than these 2. Old Forge is really strong up front and they also have a very good back in #42. It should be a high powered match up. No blowouts in either game. I would be surprised if either games margin of victory is over 2 TD’s.
Ok, @The Facts, I’ll bring my ball back just for you..
You said this…
“Don’t get mad at the kids holding their cards, get mad at the dealer who dealt them their hand..”
After I clearly stated this…
“As for respect.. the kids deserve it. NOT the PIAA or district 12 or a school’s administration or coaching staff. They are adults who have a say in and make the decisions that the kids are forced to play under.”
I bend over backwards to make it clear that I have no beef with the kids, yet you still go on with your fantasy of me being some mean hater of the IC players. You seem to want to read what isn’t there. Please stop the nonsense.
And when I report about the Catty team, I am not bragging or trying to talk them up. Eric asked who saw them and I give an honest opinion of their strengths and weaknesses. Those are the heights of their wideouts and, if Lake-Lehman has trouble against the pass, that would be an area where Catty has an advantage. They like to throw it up over smaller DB’s. Does that mean I think Catty has the best WR’s in the state? No… But they are pretty good and they deserve mention. Paryss Marshall, Derrick Bond, Ricky Houser, Jake Stopay. Do you really think a former NBA player would purposely choose little Catasauqua for his talented son to play football? The Catty players play for their community because they have no reasonable CHOICE. In a town of 6000 or whatever, there is only one high school. 227 of them are male and 38 came out for football. They deserve credit for a fine season. If they lose on Friday, or later, it will still be a great season for everyone.
I find it funny that for people so worried about the kids, not once have I seen anyone talk about the accomplishments of said IC players. No stats, no records set… Not a single mention of details of the games or kids’ names which would indicate a true interest in their season. That shows to me that people in here aren’t truly interested in the team… They just want to get their state title to make them feel all warm and fuzzy inside and complete them somehow. Selfish in my view. High school football is about more than winning titles. But the real Philly public league teams might have a shot if some of those talented IC players CHOSE to “spread some of that wealth” around. Key word: Choose.
Finally, The Quite One said this:
@RRMARKS YOU ARE A BITTER AND SAD PIECE OF WORK, AND YOU MY FRIEND SHOULD BE BAND [sic] FROM HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL AND BLOGS.. Certainly sounds like he means it. Did you miss that? Maybe somebody else in here is using multiple names.
The question with Lake-Lehman’s gaudy stats is their competition. Holy Redeemer, Montrose, Nanticoke, Wyo Area etc… didn’t stop anyone. Catty put 62 up on a Southern Lehigh defense that pretty much shut down a speedy Bethlehem Catholic offense all night in the AAA title game. But LL does seem to have the right formula to keep Catty’s offense off the field. Also, potential wet weather favors LL.
Thoughts on old Forge vs. Southern Columbia?
i dont see easton doing much of anything against parkland to be honest. parkland always seems to hit their stride during the playoffs. unfrotunately it also seems like easton is more worried about their thanksgiving day game than the playoffs.
thats like their championship. i just hope parkland can make a run in the state playoffs though from what ive heard it sounds like they dont have a shot after this week. but itll be intersting to see either way.
RRmarks
My man… Don’t run and take your ball yet.. We still have a last quarter to debate the facts… Now I want err-body to read what this dude is insinuating. He proclaims that Catholic, charter and private schools should compete in their own league outside of the PIAA. He wants to discriminate against Catholics.. Naw, that’s to harsh, I retract that statement. But he fails to realize a charter school has NEVER even been to a state final. He fails to recognize that 3 out of the 4 2012 state champions were all public schools.
And remember EasternPa football fans, this was the same critic who said IC plays a lil league schedule (filled with charter and catholic schools mind you) and should not play that powerhouse (no pun intended) School of the Future which is also a charter school.. If the district 12 catholic, charter, and private schools are so good that they need to compete at a higher level in their own league outside of the PIAA, how come they have to highest combined loses in district 12 than public schools. It they are so dominant how can you call IC schedule a lil league schedule and how come they don’t advance in states.
Ladies and gents, I truly believe rr (rail-road) marks is trying his darness to politically and administratively clear the lane for Cata to win states instead of allowing those three over 6′ WRs to do it on the field..
“Sidebar your honor?” (Sure) “how can a coach”(objection, sustain); “I mean, how can a man complain about a team having access to size and speed when he has the biggest wideouts in the state..?Bigger than the Eagles mind you..” (Revelance?) “None your honor, just a statement!” (Get back to your closing argument Facts and make it quick..) “ok..”
Ladies and gentleman this man says IC has an unfair of advantage because of the number of youth teams in his area. I want to provide exhibit a-23-678ahole-u-r.. In this exhibit or map you will clearly see that IC is a small 2A school surrounded by King (3A), Central (4A), Cheltenham (4A), fornerly Germantown (4A), Penn Charter (inter ac), LaSalle (4A), Mastery (3A), Abington (4A), and McDevitt (2A) who all have access and benefits from these same lil league programs.
So ladies and gents of the court, I rest my case and you clearly see the true intentions of rr marks.. Do you really believe someone contacted EasternPa to have him band..if they did shame on them.. Good men love great debates.. So I will close my case with the hope that you will return a verdict of not guilty for IC playing the cards they were dealt and playing it well.. Don’t get mad at the kids holding their cards, get mad at the dealer who dealt them their hand..
Case closed!
@Buddy!
I’m anxiously awaiting your breakdown of how PV has a chance. I totally get that on any given night a team can win a big game?
But since you go to all the NP games, and wrote them off in early September please tell us all how you think PV can win!
Is it the passing game? The running game? The 3-4 defense? Are they Big? Fast? Are they Deep? Coaching?
NP has BEAT up arguably 2 of the better teams in the D1 bracket the last 2 weeks!!!
Aside from a complete NP breakdown PV will get blown away! I’ll tell you why I think that after I get your explanation.
We are both NP fans with very different perspectives of the team, when will you nice them the credit they deserve? Maybe I have a better seat!
I went to every catty game also and im going friday also
@fwgritty,
Imhotep did beat LaSalle, just not with ease. It was a great game until the circus catch TD at the end made it a 2 store game. Like I said to Facts, the kids can only play who’s on the schedule. I love that they played ECA with no prep time, when they could have scheduled a cream puff or taken a week off. By no means am I trying to downplay their schedule, it is what it is, but a team like Bonner is, well they’re just Bonner.
You know I try to stay level teams, probably really try to stay level on Imhotep. There are topics I will attack, and topics where I will defend them until the end. Does it mean I’m right either time? Nope, but I do my best to get the best info I can on a subject to be impartial. It’s tough be impartial with Tep because I know some of their kids, my kids played against them, went to camps with them, and of course they’re D12. The thing I guess I’m trying to say about this whole thing is that people are gonna root against Imhotep from the minute they walk on the field for numerous reasons. Some valid, like hey they’re playing my team. Some just because they’re from the city, some folks just root for the underdog, and some people are gonna root against them because of who they are. I just don’t see any reason to add to these folks hate fire that burns in them. If somebody is gonna hate, let em hate, you’re not gonna change their mind, ever. However, when it’s all said and done, you can sit back with a smile, and that hate fire will still be burning hot inside them.
Does Easton have a chance against Parkland?
Does PV have a chance against NP ( my opinion…yes)
Does Abington have a chance against Neshaminy?
Of course, this is the PCL’s bye week………. shall we discuss? 🙂
The problem Catty might have is seeing the ball.Lehman grinds you down with that power running game and eats clock.
Catty is fast. They run well & can pass when needed. Won’t keep Lehman off the board, but I think Catty can out score them.
Stats on Lake Lehman thru 11 games (does not include district final)
Rush Offense: 4005 yards, 364 yards per game average
Pass Offense: 299 yards, 27 yards pr game average
Dustin Jones – 1492 yards, 24 tds – 7.7 ypc
Joey Vigil – 1251 yards, 13 tds – 13.2 ypc
Brady Butler – 545 yards, 4 tds – 6.9 ypc
Eric,
I have seen every game in person. Catasauqua won its league that included the AAA district 11 runner up and the eastern conference AA and AAA champions. Here is the reality at this point… They have been hit with 3 big injuries (knees) mid season and kind of limped into the playoffs. If not for their success, 2 of those players would probably have been shut down with surgery. And they don’t have big numbers to absorb injuries well. Burton is kind of their Lawrence Taylor at OLB and the coaches pretty much shut him down on defense the 2nd half of the season. His closing speed on blitzes and his pass coverage was sorely missed. The district crown was a big goal of theirs and they will have to avoid a let down against Lake-Lehman (they also have a big rivalry game on Thanksgiving). My thoughts for this game is they will have to score quickly and often, get a lead, stack the box and force LL to the air. I’m sure the coaches will be trying to find out what Old Forge and Meyers did defensively and what Dallas and maybe Northwest did offensively (passing). Any specific questions, I’d be happy to answer.
Easton24 Dad, your comments are why the school and program is not respected in the area. Parkland also sends you home with goodie bags for Thanksgiving while they’re watching Parkland playing in game 14
I am done with football politics, for lack of a better term. It is just too emotional here for some to handle opposing viewpoints without feeling “disrespected”. I apologize to those I may have offended with some of my impassioned yet apparently incendiary remarks.
Catasauquas qb thru for 2347 yards a nd 36 tds the receiver caught 62 passes for 1197 yards the running back ran for 1499 yards 22 tds
Are you a lake lehman fan jim
They have a pretty good line but there not extremely big catty has a high power offense though they can run and pass there quarterback and receiver broke all sorts of records and the running back would have 2000 yards if he wasnt injured for 2 games
In the D2 AA final, Lake Lehman’s 250 pound running back Dustin Jones carried the ball 38 times for 311 yards and 4 touchdowns.
If Catty is going to win the game, they have to be able to stop Lehmans power running game.
Catty vs. Lake-Lehman
Would seem to be a speed/air assault vs. power/ground forces. Hard to get much game video of Lake-Lehman, but they seem to be a young, physical team. They have a power rushing attack with Butler and big back Dustin Jones proving to be a load to say the least. Catty will be outsized in the trenches once again as well. 6’7″, 315lb Pete Borum will be a tall order (no pun intended). They don’t need to pass much. Can they keep up if Catty has its quick strike offense going (has been on all cylinders so far in the playoffs)? Bradley has been on target. Hurting the Rough Riders is Ra’Von Burton’s dinged up knee which takes away a lot of his cutting ability right now. But his downhill speed is still there evidently.
Can LL’s backfield cover Catty’s speed and height with wide-outs who go 6’3″, 6’3″ and 6’2″? Bodes well for them defensively if they can. If not, this could be a high scoring affair. LL’s defense has been stout all year but recently gave up some points through the air to a rebuilding Dallas squad.
How is Catasauqua against the run? Do they have a big line? Are they a physical team, or a finesse team.
Lehman is a ground and pound team. They run 99% of the time. Their tailback is 250 pounds and is the starting heavyweight for their wresting team. Going in to last Friday’s game (11 games) he has 1500 yards, 24 td’s, and 7.7 YPC.
The only loss Lehman had was to the D2 single A champion, Old Forge.
@jive turkey
I respect your opinion on this thread. You seem to be knowledgeable about youth football. I’m a fan and been a fan for several years. No one is making excuses about last year or any other. My point for mentioning schools that we played is that, we will play anyone who is in front of us and anywhere. It seems you are making excuses about our opponents, Lasalle not being a complete team and Bonner”s 3 wins this year. Every team has issues, IC has injuries, suspensions, and grades. That’s why you have backups, ready for action. Yes I will support IC, like I have over the past 7 years.
Facts, I take that bye week rant with a grain of salt. If it’s not that, it’s some other excuse why a team got beat. Kids can only play the schedule put in front of them. That being said, I sure hope Tep’s JV is on the field by the start of the 2nd quarter against King. Hate to see them lose anybody due to an injury or something, with the much bigger games ahead of them.
People don’t understand or want to understand the tradition that goes into some of these thanksgiving games. Take Judge/Lincoln as an example. The money raised in that game goes to families of disabled and deceased veterans. Do the folks complaining about the by week know why Judge teams wear a 27 on their jerseys. The number represents the 27 Judge grads that died in the Vietnam war, the most students deceased during that war from any school in the USA. I’d love for any American to tell me how that game is not more important than a PIAA playoff game for 1 week. Then go tell it to the soldiers family that will be able to have a Christmas this year from the money raised. Sometimes we get lost in the heat of the games. Sometimes we need to step back and realize some things are bigger than high school football.
Just so you know catty plays t his friday a and if the win they play on thanksgiving and again on saturday
I.believe private schools recrute they lose there share of seniors and still dont skip a beat
Who in here seen catasauqua play and whats your thoughts of how they look
Catasauqua by 3 touchdowns
It’s interesting to me, in reading these posts about the advantage the private schools have over the publics…the “R” word…recruiting is mentioned often but no one ever brings up the “S” word…scholarships!!…or is it considered one and the same?
Thoughts on Catasauqua vs. Lake-Lehman??
No problem Jive, I am VERY close friends with the Knucklehead guy who sat on both committees to start the Enon Football program and the Imhotep Football program. I don’t think to many people know that because he’s a humble guy.. That’s why these two programs sort of mirror each other and IC plays their JV games at Enon’s field.
All I am saying Jive is these kids don’t make the rules, the PIAA does. Does a so called bye help IC this week? Not when you add they have to play 2 games in 2 1/2 days (Thanksgiving morning and Saturday afternoon). I’m sure those kids want to keep the momentum up and play someone this week but don’t blame them, Thanksgiving games are a 100 year tradition in Philly and this is Thanksgiving week due to it being late this year. But 2 games against two BIG time teams (King is the 3A Public Champs with just 3 loses and Cata/Lake Lehman have 1 loss between them) in 3 days is a BIG FEAT..
I mean give this club some credit, they could have just sat on the DelVal forfeit and accepted their 2 point win but they cancelled that forfeit and played a national powerhouse in Eastern Christian. Does that sound like a club who is afraid of the 4A? They scrimmaged the two 4A teams who just played in the City 4A championship game (Prep & Frkfd).. Does that sound like a Club who is afraid of the 4A?
For real, what crazy out-of-their-minds coaching staff schedules St Joes, Frkfd, Cardinal Mooney, and LaSalle in their first 4 weeks after a hot grueling 3-a-day summer training camp? And what type of critic can turn around and say this was a lil league schedule? Give it a break RRMarks and if Cata makes it by Lake Lehman; let the best team win..
@Major Tom
The only “Vastly Inferior” team from District 11 to go up against Lasalle was Parkland. In fact the case could be made that Easton would have won in 2009 if it wasn’t for the snow.
Correction, Easton hasn’t won a state championship. My bad
You all prove my points for me. The fact someone called for me to be banned gives me pride. Truth hurts. Sure, every school goes through down periods. But Easton, Parkland, Liberty etc… have WON state championships with nearly 100% kids from the confines of their district. That is why they have up and down years. By and large, they don’t recruit . And to say they should is a lame excuse. As for the city. The argument isn’t about geographical distance. It is about population size. The more people you have in your immediate area, the larger the potential talent pool and the greater the number of larger and faster players. Hence, they have 8 YOUTH LEAGUES that you brag about. Other communities only have 1 youth program because the population dictates it. And that 1 youth program is where the vast majority of their players come from. In a normal school district, if a kid wants to go to a different school due to athletics, his entire family has to move into that district and most likely he will be forced to sit out a year as the Fleetwood kid did for Wyomissing. An exception would be a Catholic school where there is less of a geographical limit. Now let’s get into classification. It is nowhere close to fair that a Catholic, private or prep school gets to limit their enrollment for whatever class they want to be in. Community schools only move up or down if people naturally immigrate to or emmigrate from the confines of the district. They cannot say, oh, let’s limit the kids we let in now because we aren’t competing at AAA anymore so let’s transition to AA. Bethlehem Catholic has been in every class apart from A over the years and they really have NO competition for admissions within Bethlehem as far as Catholic or private schools, let alone charter. I think Catholic schools should be in another athletic association along with prep, private and charter schools. Then they can compete and recruit to their hearts content but a kid that wants to transfer to one of them understands that they will no longer have the chance to compete for a public PIAA state championship. I understand that there just aren’t enough of these non community schools. But one day soon, there will be many more private and charter schools all over the state which will force segregation.
Change is coming in the spirit of competition.
As for respect.. the kids deserve it. NOT the PIAA or district 12 or a school’s administration or coaching staff. They are adults who have a say in and make the decisions that the kids are forced to play under. And I just think many of their decisions are unethical and a threat to what high school football is meant to be.
Facts, why didn’t you say you were an Enon guy before? Very good organization, class acts across the board. I’m pretty sure they had 2 age groups in Baltimore this past weekend, the team in Syracuse was from up in the Northeast. I really gotta have a beverage at one of the state playoff games with you. Think we would get along pretty well.
Went to Easton vs ESS game and it was 31-0 with the star RB from ESS only gaining 26 yards and zero td’s after scoring 5 or 6 in his last game. Easton had all 3 phases clicking…Defense…Special teams and Offense. I asked my son when he knew they where going to win the game and he said 1st qtr second series on defense. When they hit the RB who is a small guy and he started wincing and taking long to get up they knew the game was over when he was getting hit hard in the 1st qtr and they had 3 qtrs left. I know that the MVC wanted respect but 2013 just wasn’t their year. Easton vs Parkland this Friday. We already beat Parkland earlier this season.
@RRMark,
how can IC be an All Star team when all their kids walk home from school? They’re neighborhood kids. I have been telling your cry baby whining piss pamper @#$ this for awhile now. Allow me to school you on two things.
ONE, the Philly School system has no mandatory neighborhood requirement that you must go to your neighborhood school. You just have to live in the boundary of Philadelphia to go to any ‘public’ or charter school. This is why those great Washington, Northeast and Frankford teams all had kids from all over the city when they won their city titles. But for the last 20 years, the best players for these teams came from the IC neighborhood, Uptown.
King High is three to four blocks up the street from IC and they are the 3A public champs with kids from this same Uptown neighborhood. Mastery Charter is 7 to 8 blocks away and they also made the chip game (played King) and they also are filled with kids from this Uptown neighborhood. Central is about 6 blocks south of IC and also has kids from Uptown. Its not a magic hucus-pucus formula.. Its the deep enriched little league powerhouses in Uptown that produces these kids. There are 8 power house lil league PAL programs in Uptown with teams still playing as far as Syracuse now to go to Fla.
Some of these programs are so large and so good that their ‘A’ teams had to play their ‘B’ teams in the playoffs.
Look at all the top teams in the state from Aliquippa to Allegheny to Coatesville to South fayette. They all have one thing in common, great lil league programs that develops quality football players. Uptown just has 8 in one section of Phila. I believe IC will be here for awhile so cry a river in your beer buddy and have two more on me.
One question, how can a team just say, I believe we will be good this year, let’s cancel our 2A schedule and have the PIAA re-juggle everyone’s schedule to give us a 4A schedule even though we have 2A enrollment numbers? Teams get to adjust their classification every two years, so when this team was a bunch of Sophomores two years ago and they were getting blown out in the states by Bok and Springfield Montco you didn’t say nothing. Now they are seniors so they should move up because they they are blowing teams out? You sound foolish.. Then if they play a 4A schedule with Edison, Southern, Furness etc (not calling those 4A teams are bad); you would be crying about that.. If IC had to play Wilson, Northern Lehigh or Palmerton (not saying those teams are bad); you would be saying that was unfair… Let the kids play… they’re not whinning and crying…
@fwgritty,
Imhotep football team has garnered a ton of respect from HS fans across the state. The major flaw is people like you, no offense. They are a very good team but for the chest thumpers, like yourself, that’s not enough. In one breath you say Wyomissing was a better team, then in the next breath you make an excuse about focus. Did Imhotep really beat a depleted LaSalle team with ease? We beat Bonner. Sure did, Bonner won 3 games this year. The more the chest thumpers exaggerate about this school, the more people are gonna root against them. Before they were good, were you even a fan? I’m guessing you supported the state champion basketball team. People know the difference between a solid program and the fly by nights. How many people come on here and thump their chests about Wood, SJP, Southern Columbia, North Penn, CB West, etc…? None! You know why? They have been there before and they’ll be there again. Can you say the same? Some people will hate on certain programs because their team just can’t compete with them, (see rrmarks comment)nothing you can do about that. When you make them silly exaggerated comments, you aren’t showing any respect. That type of thing fuels the hater fire. You want people to respect your team, but respect is not a one way street. They have a real nice group of kids over there, and they can play some darn good football. Why isn’t that enough for you?
I hate to say it but it looks like Pittsburgh Central Catholic is on a AAAA title quest. They’ve been quietly destroying everybody by like 49-0 or so. Was hoping previously unbeaten McKeesport and Upper St. Clair were going to take them out but they were both upset. Can Woodland Hills stop the PCC machine? Maybe, we’ll see.
@ RRMark
You talk about “all-star” teams; PCC is that. They’re the only big time private school in Pittsburgh. It would be like if there was St. Joe’s Prep with no LaSalle, Wood, WC, etc. That’s why I’m hoping one of these teams can knock the off. With Upper St. Clair out of the picture, I’m concerned.
The coaches in the lehigh valley conference feel that catty can compete in there division thats how good they are but nobody sees it but the coaches up here
@RRMARKS YOU ARE A BITTER AND SAD PIECE OF WORK, AND YOU MY FRIEND SHOULD BE BAND FROM HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL AND BLOGS..
@RR Mark
Having been to several of the playoff games in the past 5 years that featured the vastly inferior teams that you mention like Parkland and Easton against LaSalle, and other very weak District 11 teams that simply cannot compete once they step out of their pillow soft district…..I can guarantee you that nobody was chuckling or saying “silly PIAA”. In every instance the blogs were loaded with smack talk and the fans at the games were confident that they would win going away, only to be totally outclassed by far superior teams. The the teams that you mention like SJP, LaSalle, and Wood, etc. have the biggest disadvantage of all to overcome, and that is size. Easton, Parkland, North Penn, and the like are 2 -3 times the size of these schools test still cannot compete, it is a testament to the vastly superior coaching and much higher level of competition that they face each week before the playoffs begin. This is high school football in the 21st century and you can cry all you want but its not changing, the huge public schools need to use their massive competitive advantage better by hiring better coaches, use their superior depth to their advantage, and raise money privately to prove the facilitates and larger coaching staffs that the private schools enjoy. Get over it and adapt to it, crying like a five year old won’t get it done.
Eric…
Philly fans have an inferiority complex. They couldn’t win a state championship with a real public team like a Parkland, Easton, Wyomissing or Aliquippa. So they manufacture one with WC, LaSalle, St. Joe’s, Wood or IC. They think if… when… IC beats Catty or Lake Lehman, and probably goes on to win the state crown, that anyone outside of philly is going to put much value in the title. No, we just chuckle and think to ourselves… silly PIAA. So let them have their championship with an asterisk next to it.
Springfield Montco, solebury school for the gifted? Not scaring me. As for West Catholic… Take them out of philly and they wouldn’t be able to field the talent they normally do. But even Catholic schools have some restrictions talent wise. But whose putting down Imhotep’s football team? I’ve seen plenty of their games to know they are classy, upstanding, intelligent young men who could be role models for the rest of the public league. I never questioned that regardless of what you dream up. But we really can’t compare them to a real public high school team.
There is a reason IC’s talent is AAAA level. It is because they are a charter school picking and choosing top talent from a comparatively huge pool and then being allowed to choose their own classification as well. Hence, they keep male enrollment at 298 (one shy of AAA class). So, you wanna tell me that is just a coincidence? When their roster is twice as big as the majority of AA schools. That is what makes Wyomissing’s win last year so incredible. Vastly made up of kids within that small population pool. Yeah, they did pick up that Fleetwood QB in time for states. Wyomissing’s population? 10,500. Catty’s 6500. Pen Argyl 3500. Let’s look at some others.. Lewisburg, PA 5600. Wilson Borough? 7800. Aliquippa 9500. What is the population of the quaint town of Imhotep Charter, PA? Can anyone answer that? Most AA teams work with the small amount of talent they have available to them. They have little to no control from year to year as to talent or classification. Call me old fashioned but I say they build a team the way it’s meant to be. Unlike the Catholic, prep, private and charter schools. And it’s really a shame for those kids. To bad Albie couldn’t have chosen to build and coach a real public league team.
If catty played new hope solebury or springfield montco catty would have a mercy rule on either of them by halftime
I like the way catty destroys everybody that gets in there way and have one of the best quarterbacks and receivers in the state and still get no respect
@tsaf77 thanks
@RRmark wow Albie must’ve cut your kid from a team!
Yup, you got it right. Any championship IC wins should get an asterisk next to it. They hear it..
The facts… I guess imhotep kids need motivation? Coaching and talent not enough? Hand up from the piaa not enough for Albie? Tens of thousands more kids to build a team from than the rest of AA teams not enough for Albie et al? Bye week? What’s it all about Albie? Lol!
OL coach… “Intra-districts”? Let me school you. That means within districts. You must mean Inter-districts…as in D11 plays D12. But in any case you would be wrong. Talking about state semifinals. But let’s look at the quarterfinals Pen Argyl vs. Imhotep last year. They played it at Northern Lehigh in Slatington. That is a 45 minute ride from Pen Argyl. A normal road game drive for them. Guess where WC and IC play when teams have to come down there? Sometimes literally right on their home field. WC met Lanc. Cath. half way in Coatesville 2 years. The other years were played in Hershey. ha ha… Yes, D12 needs all they help they can get from PIAA. Might as well give them limo rides with hot cocoa and a police escort. What a shame for the kids who deserve to know the true spirit and satisfaction of competition.
Albie hears the rest of the state telling them to take their all star show and pack it up. The rest of the state plays untainted ball.
Just when I had planned to give RRMark some props for some of his recent posts on another board, I come here… and there you have the return of the RRMark that even members of his home base call ridiculous.
So you feel that the other teams in district 1/12 AA subregion are pee-wee teams. Hmm, I would venture a bet that West Catholic, Springfield-Montco, New Hope Solesbury and probably even Prep Charter would come to your district and make considerable noise. What games have you been to down here to put down these other programs? Instead of reading the bs that others write why don’t you come see the Imhotep program in person. Or here, I’ll give you a link to see what some of these kids live through: http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/232217361.html
If you don’t know the rules on the scheduling, do the research before talking crap. In case you didn’t know District 12 when they host playoff games has 3 super sites suitable to play state playoff games. The Benjamin L. Johnson (Northwest) super site is actually the closest for the rest of the stat, being only a couple of minutes of of Route 309 and the PA Turnpike. That is why the games wound up there.
Maybe it’s the fear you have that your team, like you, may be inadequate? I like to watch the young men play the game of football, but can’t stand the adults with minimal mental acuity try to play verbal games to justify their fear.
Tick tock, tick tock…your time is winding down.
WOW!…..FKD was 50 yards from a monumental upset….This is why they play the games fellas….this is why they play the games!
Imhotep played a LaSalle team that was without two of their best players because of injury. Herron tried to give it go but only played one series and Zaire Franklin also was out. Both of these players are 1st team all catholic and possibly will make all state teams. So before IC pounds it’s chest about LaSalle consider all the facts. The problem I have with the IC faithful is that they seem to forget high school is about academics. How can you recruit kids in good faith to a high school with such poor academics? They are truly talented but to put them in the likes of SJP, LS, Wood is truly disrespectful. My feeling is that the IC hype will come down to earth in a couple of years. If IC can be a power as long as the other schools I mentioned I will be the first to sing their praises. Until then, they are a good public league football factory.
@ Fwgritty
IC does get a lot of respect for the team it has compiled together and the talent it is made up of. People on here just do not see them as a traditional AA school, because they aren’t. They are an all-star team. They will win the AA state title hands down. They should be competing in a higher class. The team from out west which they may play (from Aliquippa) is an A school that plays in class AA. Same thing as Jeanette. Look them up. Their numbers are class A but they play in AA. Imhotep can be whatever class they want, it just depends on how many kids the school decides to let in.
I would have much rather have seen them battle with Prep than teams they will obliterate. Catasauqua may not beat Lake Lehman but I can almost guarantee one thing. Bye week or not, IC will destroy Catty or Lehman. They can’t match up against IC’s team speed and power. Too much talent to take on. Aliquippa, if they are the team in AA from the west, will be beat up from the WPIAL games and western finals. With or without a week off, they don’t compare in talent to IC.
IC, can compete with any AAAA school in this state. They may or may not win but they can stay with any of them. I am telling you all, at the end of this season, we will all be hearing about how IC is “arguably” the best team in the state. Because that is all anyone can do is argue it. They faced one PCL school that is a contender and that is La Salle. What if this IC team played in the class they should have played in? What if… Because of that, the AAAA champ will be called the best team in PA this year. They have a right to that title.
Catasauqua is pretty much like wyomissing was last year its the same team as last year in 2 years catasauqua went 23-2
They hear you RRMark..
It crazy how IC still doesn’t get the respect from the rest of the PA HS Football followers. Week by week they play the teams in front of them regardless of where they come from (ECA & Card. Mooney) from Md and Ohio respectively. They played LaSalle and Bonner-Prendie from the PCL and handled them with ease. This team had a good foundation before Coach Albie took them over the top. Wyomissing was a good team that had been together for 3-4 years. We’re not crying over it because they were the better team. This year is different, the teams more focused for the playoffs this year.
How bout dem Dawgs! Berwick 35 Abington Heights 28
Thanks eric, game will be played in philly then
Pen argyl played imhotep at northern lehigh last year so catasauqua will have to play down by philly if they beat lake-lehman but if you remember wyomissing went to philly and beat imhotep so anything is possible
@RRMark, please learn the PIAA rules on where and when intradistrict playoff games can be scheduled. You’re posting things that should embarrass you like only Philly teams get home games.
When did I ever talk down the Imhotep team and talk up Catty like they were unbeatable? Never is the answer. Who knows if they even beat Lake Lehman. We play real districts where there isn’t just one all-star team and a bunch of pee wee’s in comparison. You know, the real spirit of competition. Not a school that stays one kid under the AAA level just do they’ll have a better chance at state gold. lol… Sounds like somebody feels a little inadequate in other areas and has to live vicariously through 17-18 year olds on a football field. I feel sorry for ya. Or maybe its just that Wyomissing rash that is still hanging with you all these months. Can make a man all feverish. Good luck to the IC kids on their bye week vacation.
I believe the Imhotep/Pen Argyl game was in Philly last year. If so it will be in D11/D2 this year.
@RRmark
Imhotep will have to travel to the semis this year. They alternate every year.
Well, I looked over the past few years and the semi’s were either right in Philly, Hershey (neutral) or twice for West Catholic vs. Lancaster Catholic, in Coatesville which is hardly in Lancaster’s back yard. 45 min. ride from Lanc. and 54 min. from Philly. Seems like philly teams are the only ones getting a home game. Just an observation.
i hate to say i told you so but if you check my comment(august 3rd )i did say dunmore lost too many quality players from last years squad ie;(mike kolcharno,jake korgeski john rinaldi corey jones matt o’connor mike boland austin seamon) these 7 guys were all starters on offense and defense. not easy to replace,in fact impossible. that being said dunmore had a great year, congratulations to them and congratulations to old forge and good luck to the blue devils in the state playoffs. i do think that d-2,especially single A was terrible this year. dunmore and old forge are very good teams but the competition is the worst i have ever seen it.
If Catty wins, they will have to play Imhotep right in the heart of Germanttown.. Hostile PANTHER-NATION where the fans and the environment is extremely friendly but between the lines it gets very hostile.. It will be a GREAT game thanks to the post on this site and numerous others from RRMarks who is Catty’s talking piece… I believe those Tep kids read every word and are looking forward to proving him wrong.
LET’S GO PIONEERS
SHOCK DA WORLD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FRANKFORD FOR LIFE !!!!!!!!!!
Catasauqua 54-28 catasauqua plays lake-lehman next week
I’ll let Perk Valley and Buddy go back and forth all week leading up to the game between their respective school!
But it played out just like I said it would.
From My November 10th post to tank!
“NP is better then you think and better then Pennsbury defensively.
My perspective based on SEEING them play.
Offense- Pennsbury
Defense- North Penn
Special Teams- NP Kicker
Coaching North Penn”
They ran well early, but north Penn D made some plays to slow them a bit here and there and won the turnover game!
Pennsbury could not stop North Penn’s ground game and the QB was sharp and efficient.
Pennsbury was out coached for 48 minutes.
Don’t know a thing about Perk Valley, but after putting up 60+ You have to wonder.
Should be a great game!!!!
3 SOL teams left!
Just got home from the game. Perk Valley defeats CB West 60-20!!!!! Great game Vikings! Congrats to the Bucks on another fine season.
Sorry again it was 229 yards not 329 for Dow. Also Abington beats Garnet Valley 26-21
@RRmark
Imhotep will have to travel to the semis this year. They alternate every year.
Abington Touchdown! Khari Jefferson in the corner of the end zone. 26-21 with 26 seconds to go in the game.
Academy Park 27 Pottsgrove 26
Glen mills rb Dow 24 carries 329 yards 3 touchdowns vs Henderson
The Glen Mills Henderson game is just about over. Glen Mills won
Predictions for this weeks games.
In AAAA – D1 Games:
Abington upsets GV
Neshaminy over Spring-Ford
North Penn upsets Pennsbury
Perk Valley over CB West
D12:
Prep cruises to Eastern Semi-final
D2/4/11:
Easton over ESS
Parkland over Whitehall setting up the re-match.
@ rrmark i believe imhotep does im a catasauqua fan and the news up here said that if catasauqua gets that far they would play across from citenzens bank park
@RRMark, it usually rotates each year so they will probably host the quarterfinal round (I’m hoping your Catty team is the opponent) this year and travel for the semifinal round should they prevail
@ perk valley ’75:
Good info. Thanks. Did not know that. My daughter teaches there and I doubt she knows all that:)
Perk Valley got to stop one guy ( Todd ) on CB West. If they can do that, they have a chance.
Their QB likes to pass a lot also, don’t really know how good he is at it though. He wasn’t against North Penn.
Buddy
North Penn ’65
@ Buddy
Perk Valley opened it’s doors in 1969 when Schwenksville and Collegeville-Trappe merged. PV played it’s first two seasons in the Inter-County Conference (Where Schwenksville and C-T had played) and then joined the Bux-Mont League for 15 years. In 1986 PV joined the Pioneer Athletic Conference.
Anybody know if Imhotep will get another home game for the semi’s this year?
Your right, Too many “steve”s on this thread.
My username is Steve, posting about PCL mostly, haven’t posted for over a month, going on sabbatical. Wish you all well..
Rec: any additional “Steve”s. add an initial or a number to your name. Don’t want to be associated with some of the recent “S” comments.
You’re so right, Buddy. That CB West/Erie Cathedral Prep game was unreal. Their all state full back goes down early in the first quarter, eventually down to their fourth string RB and trying to gut it out. There was so much on the line: a 44 game win streak, a chance to 3 peat, and was Pettine’s last game as coach. Meanwhile, Erie CP was no slouch by any stretch of the imagination. They had a high powered offense. In fact, the game was a matchup of two top 10 USA Today teams. So there they are late in the fourth quarter trailing 13-7, making a furious effort to get the go-ahead TD with Warden at RB. They get down to about Erie’s 20 yard line or so and get stopped with something like 4 minutes left in the game. CB West’s defense forces a 3 and out. Then comes the CB West TD by a blocked punt. The fear of losing in those closing minutes and the realization of everything that was on the line was understood by all. Somehow, some way they had to find a way to win. Yeah, I would say that was the most memorable PIAA final ever.
Go GVHS Jags!…rolling along!!
@Steve and @bill; if you’re going to use duplicate names on here, don’t copy the first post and post it under the second name with one minor change. What genius.
Nov. 12th; 8:53 a.m.
That last post should have said Berwick wasn’t totally ready for their change of offense…need to proofread before I submit.
That last post should have said Berwick wasn’t totally ready for their change of offense…need to proofread before I submit…lol
Berwick may have been the favorite against Crestwood but it is tough to beat a team twice in one season. Crestwood had a totally different offensive scheme and Berwick was totally ready for it. However as it always is with Curry lead teams he adjust at halftime and they come back and win. Just something about Berwick magic. Always a turnover or a penalty that swings the game. There were so many games in the 90’s this way when they dominated. Down 17-0 to Manheim at half. Final score Berwick 18-17. I believe they were looking ahead to Abington. They already knew they won and wanted that rematch. If you watched highlights after the game there responses were more about we escaped this game but now it’s time for the “Rematch”. Of course we would like the team we are cheering for to win every game 50-0 but in the end sometimes it’s much more entertaining to watch or listen to a close game. Win or lose. Hopefully this week will be another great game. I’ll obviously be cheering for Berwick but in the end as long as it’s a good game I’ll be happy……Well depressed for two days after first…lol
@Colin,
West has a couple of really nice players, but Imhotep has a whole bunch of them. My guess is Imhotep by 3 TD’s or more.
Frankford is on a nice winning streak, but they were all public league games. Frankford got trounced by Wood, and SJP beat Wood by 10. After halftime adjustments SJP made Wood look kinda silly. SJP QB is out this week, but I still see this game being pretty lopsided.
Wood vs King could be a little interesting. I’m thinking, like I’m sure most people are, Wood should take this one fairly easily. However, I wouldn’t be shocked if King made a run at them. If King stacks the box and makes Wood throw the ball, gets a couple big plays out of Delane Hart, it could make for an exciting game. I don’t think the odds are great that will happen, but I’m hoping for at least one good game.
Scratch that.. The game will not be televised..
@D12 guys,
Anyone care to give their take on the 3 D12 games this weekend? On paper the Imhotep/West game looks to be the most competitive. Does FKD or MLK have a chance to upset Prep or Wood respectively?
Dont underestimate catasauqua in AA they have alot of talent on that team
Friday isnt coming fast enough cant wait till game day
@ Jive
Yeah, that West Catholic/Wilimington game was memorable. I watched that game on the internet back when it was still free to live stream. (So cheesy that they charge now but that’s another topic of conversation) Give major props to Wilmington. Granted, part of it was good luck. For example, WC could have gotten another TD right before halftime but they were stuffed near the 1 yard line or so. Anyway, that kid on Wilmington, think his name was Wagner, was prime time. Dude got the winning score in dramatic fashion and then came back and stuffed Drake at the 1. Are you kidding me? That’s right up there with Andrew Elsing at CB West vs. Erie CP and when a kid by the name of, I think Wilt blocked the extra point for MC against Pine-Richland in ’03.
Jive,
You stole my thunder!…..That was a pretty big upset. Kudos to Wilmington. It looked like several times during the game that West was gonna blow them out but they battled. Ill always remember that wilmington QB running around like crazy during that first OT TD…..9 times outta 10 West wins and probably wins big….But that’s why they call them upsets!
1999 AAAA final. CB West vs Erie Cathedral Prep.
CB West fullback ( Piciotti) was knocked out after 6 minutes, ranked the top FB in the country. Their 2nd & 3rd string RB’s knocked out also before games end, leaving 4th string RB (Warden). Won on a blocked punt for TD at end of game. Final was 14 to 13.
Doesn’t get much better than that one.
I think I’ll stay in the AA bracket with rrmark for my upset game. 2008 West Catholic had 5 players that went D1. Three guys over 1300 yds rushing, and another 1300 passing, setting all kinds of city records. Going into the AA final their only loss was to AAAA CL champion LaSalle 27-26. They beat the AAA state runner-up (Wood) by 9, and won 11 games by more than 25 points. They lost to Wilmington Area 35-34 in double OT. West’s closet game in the tournament was a 37-14 win in the Eastern final. Wilmington played 3 OT games in the tournament and won their other game by 2. Everybody, at least in Philly, thought this would be a blowout for West. West coach decided to go for 2, rather than go into a 3rd OT. Curtis Drake (Penn State) takes the snap, rolls left, cuts up field, and gets stuffed at the 1. It was a great game and shocked most of us that thought West was gonna cruise through.
@Kmac
That was definitely one of the best games I ever saw. Was wondering if you or anyone has these games on DVD or tape. Or if there is somewhere to buy them. Have some of the Berwick games but a couple I didn’t bother taping or I was an idiot and taped over them…Ugh VHS. If anyone knows of a way to get these let me know.
Want to check out the Imhotep vs West Catholic Championship game from the comfort of your own warm man-cave?
Call 610-624-4111 and push #2 so the game can be selected as the game of the week. This will help it to be televised Friday night..
@Colin
Here’s one for you. One of the best games I have ever seen in person. Hershey Stadium, Class 3A Eastern Final 1994 – Manheim Central 13-0 versus Berwick 12-1. An early fumble recovery lead to a 7-0 edge for the Berwick Dawgs. Manheim Central (MC)answered with the best short-passing game I have ever seen! Matt Nagy may have been the MC QB; as he was in 1995 a senior All-State MC selection. Dave Robbins was the Dawgs’ QB. With mostly a succession of short, very quick-release darts, MC went down and scored, 7-7. The next score was MC again, the same way, with a 2-pt PAT, 15-7 MC. Next the Barons’ held the Dawgs’ to a 4th down at the MC 6 or 7. The Dawgs’ converted a FG, 15-10 MC. Later QB Robbins hit a receiver right between two defenders for a great catch and TD; they missed a 2-pt PAT; 16-15 Berwick. With the Dawgs’ now well aware of the short passing game, MC broke off a 60-yard off-tackle type run and another 2-pt conversion. At the half 23-16 MC. Berwick had deferred its second half decision and got the kickoff, drove the field, kicked a PAT and it was 23-23. A tighter “D” got the Dawgs’ a 29 (PAT sailed right) to 23 lead in the fourth quarter. But, with a little over two minutes left in the game, MC again scored and with the PAT took a 30-29 lead. The Dawgs’ then had a fine kickoff return aided by a 15-yard penalty on MC. Robbins then hit a long pass, and 2-pt PAT and it was 37-30 Berwick, but the potent MC offense had 1:18 left to gain a tie or lead with a 2-pt PAT. And they drove the length of the field in that time. With 23 seconds left in the game the Barons’ were on the Dawgs’ 4-yard line. Then, a pass to the end zone was grabbed by number 90; but he was in white and blue, a Berwick pick; which finally won the game. A tremendous ball game!
Before certain people start condescending, the brackets are updated.
Cheers Dave.
Lets not get crazy on last weeks games, it the playoff all you have to do is win.Dont start comparing scores of games, Berwick might have got caught looking ahead.Both Abington and Berwick will be ready for Saturday game should be a great match up
here in D2
i like
Wyoming Valley West over Scranton
Abington over Berwick
Lake lehmann over Lakeland
Dunmore over OldForge
Should be a great weekend of high school football
Just to chime in on the E.C playoffs their so much history their i hope that they never go away away
OL Coach, EC is a great way for younger teams on the way up to get 1/2 extra games or Seniors who may never play again 1/2 more games. Drill down deeper than the records and look at the factors that don’t show up in the W L collum. Help us understand the slap in the face argument? Ask any player, hey you guys were on the bubble to make the playoffs, raise your hand if you want to play 1 or 2 more games. Every hand would go up. It’s about the kids, not the adults.
OL Coach, EC is a great way for younger teams on the way up to get 1/2 extra games or Seniors who may never play again 1/2 more games. Drill down deeper than the records and look at the factors that don’t show up in the W L collum. Help us understand the slap in the face argument? Ask any player, hey you guys were on the bubble to make the playoffs, raise your hand if you want to play 1 or 2 more games. Every hand would go up. Are you Ritchie Incognito’s OL coach?
Quick question, is anyone else NOT getting an updated bracket on this website or is it just me again?
Anyone EXCEPT Jive or OL Coach can answer. Of course, they’ll be the only ones that do answer:)
@ Perk Valley:
I didn’t know PV has been in existence that long?
When did they form?
@ OL Coach
While looking up info. about the EC playoffs and team records, you neglected to mention the many schools in District playoffs that support a .500 record or less. How many schools in District playoffs have a worse record than EC playoffs. Let the kids get some experience. From 1988 till 92, District 2 teams went to the EC and the consolation playoffs were Districts.
As for Eastern Conference… Anything that gives kids something to play for and fans to cheer for in November/December is a W in my book.
This might count as an upset. In AA… 2006 Wilson Warriors over the Terrelle Pryor led Jeannette Jayhawks 29-28
@ Buddy
Perk Valley @ CB West should be very entertaining and high scoring. I would love for PV to come out on top. These teams haven’t played each other since 1985 in the old Bux-Mont League. West holds a 13-2 series advantage and in 1971 (yeah, that’s a looong time ago) they gave PV their worst defeat, 56-0. It’s time for a little payback! I will be in the crowd on Friday night!
GO VIKINGS!!!!!!!
OL Coach
The Eastern Conference is a great thing. Think of it like the NIT Tournament of PA high school football. It rewards teams that have decent years, but didn’t make the offical playoffs. And it has nothing to do with the PIAA. It is a great way for teams to get an extra week or two of practice. And the only way a 4-6 team can make the EC, is if it will complete the four team bracket.
Also, keep in mind that there are no Thanksgiving day games left in D2. This is how we get the extra games after week 10.
Kmac, I like it. Something new never hurts. Just thought id throw a curve. Some of the banter get a little old in here 🙂
@Colin
You were talking about some “new” topics regarding memorable upsets in past playoffs. I will have to dig a bit for that one; but here’s a thought I had – who are the two best teams (talking 4A first)to have never sniffed Hershey since the 1988 beginning of state championships? My vote – east – Easton; west – Gateway.
@Everyone,
Lets try to jog a few memories. In any playoff there will always be upsets. Who wants to share any thoughts of a memorable upset that they may have witnessed in past PIAA playoffs? Doesn’t matter if it was a state final or a first round game. Would love to hear some thoughts…Heck even if you didn’t witness it talk about it anyway lol
You could be right Tsaf………From top bottom D7 is probably the best district. Ya never know from week to week what team may play over their head and knock off one of the western big boys. Maybe someone who knows Wilson can shed some light. LAst year they were not competitive against NA. 2 Years ago Central Dauphin upset NA so you never know
@OL Coach, the Eastern Conference at one time was the biggest conference in PA, and winning it was as big a deal as winning the WPIAL. It was basically coal region ball, known for the toughest teams out there at the time. When the PIAA playoffs came along the EC became almost an afterthought. It is actually larger now as far as number of schools, but the PIAA playoffs get the first dibs. The best of the rest are then eligible for the EC playoffs. It has become a great way for teams on the cusp to get some playoff experience and an extra game. Quite a few teams use it as a springboard to the PIAA district playoffs. Don’t like it, don’t watch it. The teams that make it look upon it as a reward.
Someone please explain this “Eastern Conference” to me.
Here are the regular season records of the teams in this thing:
4 – 6: 1 team
5 – 5: 5 teams
6 – 4: 4 teams
7 – 3: 6 teams
PIAA playoff games are a reward for teams who have had success during their season and deserve a reward.
What success did these teams have with records like the above? Why reward teams who can’t even attain a .500 record?
Personally, I think these teams still playing is just a slap in the face to the programs who were successful this season. Maybe it’s time to mothball this thing.
@ Perk Valley:
I agree. Springford is damn good! Huge team also.
Will have hands full with Neshaminy at heartbreak ridge though. I see a real tight match. Might have to give slight nod to Neshaminy only due to home field. An upset wouldn’t shock me though.
What’d you think about your alma mater against CB West?
@ Ron
By that statement, AH should have lost to Berwick last season. Who won that contest? The worst thing to do is use comparative wins by points. In your case, Southern Columbia should beat Berwick because Southern beat Selingsgrove by more points. You are neglecting all the details!
Berwick crushed Crestwood first game of the season, 49-7 and what happened last week. 14-13.
Scranton Prep beat AH 21-14 during the regular season. What happened on Friday?
Berwick may win and go all the way to the Eastern Finals however don’t make an argument over who beat who and by how many. Injuries, preparation and the fact that these teams are kids playing makes a huge difference from outcome to outcome. Good thing Coach Curry doesn’t think like that and overlook opponents. I know he and Coach Repshis will have their kids ready to go. Should be a great game to see.
@ Jive
Sorry, I thought you were trying to get an uproar from the others that do not believe there is any advantage at all in a bye week in PIAA playoffs. It appears that this case is a prime example for the playoffs. I hope the QB isn’t injured and would be back for this weeks game with Franklin however it is an opportunity to rest him and get him ready to take on the D11 champ.
@ Colin
I agree, the teams in D7 do not look as strong in AAAA from the observations of games played. However, they could also be on another level competitively in the sense that the winner may just as well do what N.A. did last season. We will see at the end. N.A. did barely beat Woodland Hills last season in the D7 final. Maybe Wilson (West Lawn) is for real and can compete with the D7 champ. I hope our eastern rep. can take home the championship.
@littleguyscoach,
I too have a sneaky suspicion that the FKD/PREP game could be closer that anticipated. ON paper it shouldn’t be much of a game. But as Chris Berman would say “that’s why they play the games”. In the end I think PREP will win. But just a hunch here that says it could be close…..OK now everyone can kill me 🙂
@tsaf,
I wasn’t trying to bait you on that one. Your views on the bye week popped into my head when I heard about the injury. Got me thinking, actually adds a lot more validity to your point.
@football fan, one should at least attempt to be a gracious loser. You came on here yapping Rustin over and over; take your lumps and go home graciously.
@Nathan i also attented the game, and Abington came out and punched Prep in the mouth,They were the more physical team.Abington had scored 14 when thouse players got hurt and no one that i know of was hurt in the secondary.In that 4th quarter Abington ran the ball down their throat took like 8 min off the clock and kick the field goal that put it away. my hat off to Prep they hung in their, but Friday night Abington was the better team
@ Mika:
Is it me or did you not update the brackets yet?
Prep better not sleep on this Frankford team they have a pretty good Defense and are alot better than they were the 1st 3 weeks.
Do not overlook Spring-Ford. Their two losses are against Whitehall (10-1) and Pottsgrove (11-0). Their stud running back did not play in either game(I don’t know why and it really doesn’t matter). Jared Jones is the real deal with 1582 yards on only 148 carries with 25 TD’s. Last week vs. Downingtown he rushed for 231 yards and 5 touchdowns.
@ 4bkmules AH and Berwick played 3 common oppenents this year, AH defeated Pittston 28-0, Dallas 17-0, Williamsport 33-0, Berwick defeated Pittston 50-0, Dallas 37-7, Williamsport 43-7. So looking at those scores still think Berwick can handle Abington Heights.
@Tsaf,
D7 is good football no doubt. NA is certainly no pushover. They still have a talented team. But with all they lost they still where able to push what could be the best D7 team to the end. LAst year it was NA and whatever Eastern team That was playing for 2nd. A D7 team may still win the 4A title this year. But from what I saw and whats left in D7 I think the East has more than a fair chance to win it.
@tank… Actually I don’t know that!!! You have dreampt it up. What I witnessed on Friday night was a TEAM outplay it’s opponent in a wild and crazy way. Just give them some credit,,, they shut out a good TEAM with other College recruited players.
If a program that went to the state championship last year and to a 9-1 regular season record this year was all on Workeys back shame on them. His back up had 380 yards in the 2 games he missed so it not like the couldn’t run… Ummmm…Until Friday night!!!
Give it up, actually as it worked out it looked like Perk Valley had the easiest game on Friday.
I don’t know Worley and $10 says you never saw him play.
Again, you go spouting off just hating away based nothing!
Time will tell and the boys get to play the game.
I got an idea… Let’s get Rustin into The SOL confrence next year and see how they do.
Neshaminy, Pennsbury, Abington, North Penn, CR South, CB South, Bensalem!
5 were in the D1 playoffs and 4 still left.
North Penn is the underdog going in, so you won’t look like the genius you keep telling yourself you are.
You should come out and watch…. Then what you say will have some Merritt!!
@joker1 neshaminy can beat NP too. I would say pennsbury neshaminy in title game at this point. You know NP beat coatesville because worley didnt play everyone knows that they had the easiest first round game
@ Colin
I actually was able to watch the same games as you, though I have comcast, I saw McKeesport destroy a Gateway team having 3 days practice (because they played on a Thurs. night) in preparation of an option offense they likely didn’t see all season. It is one of those cliches, if this team beat this team by so much, they should beat this team by so much.
Gateway is a vary talented team that can hang with anyone in D7 and in the state. North Allegheny is the same way. Of course they graduated talented kids off of that great team from last season, but they are by no means a push over. N.A. still had a few D1 commits on its team. Gateway has its fair share. These are two talented teams that were eliminated in D7.
N.A. also had a harder time winning D7 (WPIAL) than they did the PIAA championship last season.
@Jive
I will take the bate and comment about the bye that Prep has as that would be “advantageous” for them to have 2 weeks without an opponent that can potentially knock them out. If the QB didn’t play against the D11 champ, they would have a good chance of losing. I know we want to observe these teams playing at full strength however that is usually the variable that prevents the best teams from winning, the “war of attrition.” I know the reference to Coatesville and their loss shows how lopsided a game can be without your best player. This is an example of where the “bye” helps. St. Joes at full strength will probably win the East, maybe not the state title however. The PCL is a different brand of football in the East. You proved that claim with North Penn as an example.
Tank just keep yapping !!!!
I’m guessing you have not seen either Pennsbury or North Penn play this year and you are basing your points about how bad NP is because they got wrecked by the PCL teams and Buddy says he watches them and posts his point.
I saw Pensbury play twice including against Neshaminy.
They have a great running game and it will be a challenge for NP to stop them completely.
NP is better then you think and better then Pennsbury defensively.
My perspective based on SEEING them play.
Offense- Pennsbury
Defense- North Penn
Special Teams- NP Kicker
Coaching North Penn
Winner of this game will win the district.
Buddy,
I live in PAC 10 area so I do get to see Pottsgrove a bit. They normally are the class of the PAC 10. This years group is pretty good. I thing they will win D1. With that being said I don’t think they will beat Wood. I think it should be a good game tho. But….that’s why they play the games. Who knows….maybe MLK will knock off Wood ;)lol
@ Joker1:
It might be easy for you and I to know this ain’t the same kind of 11th seed as 2 years ago, but a lot of people don’t remember that team.
Of course Worley doesn’t get 100% of the points ( although that might not be far off), that’s not the point. He’s a game changer. Do you think NP has that time of possession if Worley is playing? Of course not. I think it would had been a helluva tight game with Worley, with C’ville winning by a nose ( mainly due to home field)
Just an opinion………. I’m allowed.
Pennsbury hasn’t played a NP team this “weak” in 9 years. Many of the teams they had in past years ( except last year) were simply off the charts. The only teams that had their number in the past was a few of the PCL teams, and not all the time ( but most of the time). You can’t use past history as a barometer of what happens now.
I doubt that any team in the league that would have a lot of fans left in the stands in the 4th quarter with the score 31 to 0. Hell, I left at the start of the 4th to beat the traffic and I’m a NP fan.
@joker1 i guess your to watch pennsbury beat NP for the first time in 9 years enjoy the offseason
@ Tank…. Keep hating on NP, your team is out and you have not seen NP play.
@ Buddy… It’s easy to say they are not as good as the 2011 11 seed.
By the numbers….
1. 31-0 with or without Worley it was a whipping. I was at the game, they got outplayed and out coached. They didn’t give up, they got beat. I guess Whorley had 100% of the teams points up till he got hurt?
2. Pennsbury has not beat North Penn in 9 years, going back to when they were in the same division.
3. North Penn had more fans in the stands then Coatseville and at the start of the 4th quarter only the Coatseville band and the parents who had to drive players home were left.
@football fan:
Afraid I have to agree. I don’t see NP beating Pennsbury. This is not the same 11th seeded NP team of 2 years ago. Do hope I’m wrong.
@ MK:
Yea, not sure why NP doesn’t travel well. Never has. Baffles the hell outa me. I think they have to be in the eastern final to draw well. Very unlikely.
Yea rustin lost. But its hard to win when you turn the ball over in the red zone. Penalties and miscues will get you beat everytime dont matter who your playing. Having said that you guys were right. But talk to me next weekend when NP season is over if you really think they can beat pennsbury your a funny guy. NP beat coatesville not an impressive win.
Now Now boys, you are upsetting Jive. He just might take his ball and bat and go home.
……….. one can only hope.
Tank:
Believe it or not, I agree with you. I don’t think North Penn wins if Worley plays.
It’s not that Worley gets 31 points himself, but it changes the whole dynamics. NP might only have the ball half of the time they did, thus not scoring, plus C’ville doesn’t give up in the 2nd half like they obviously did.
Colin:
I have Dish TV, I’m hoping they also have that ROOT channel. I certainly would watch those games.I haven’t seen it though. Gotta look around.
How would Pottsgrove fair against Wood?
Potentially a real tight game in my opinion.
Watching the playoff coverage on the news, I have been very surprised at the lack of fan support at the games. The bleachers are 3 quarters empty. Very surprised that a lot of the big schools don’t travel very well. NP at C’ville for example, NP’s side was empty. What are some of the teams in D1 that do travel well?
@jiveturkey. Funny how you like to make little jokes to avoid valid points. Im going to ignore your little comment about making it easy for me. So when you say tell me again how powerful the Ches-Mont team, doesn’t again mean that I said it was powerful previously? Again I stated facts that 3 of the 4 teams were at home. And in my predictions I only had Rustin advancing, so I went 3/4.
And if you don’t think Worley can be a 31 pt difference at the hs level where the kids have given up emotionally then you don’t know hs football or kids for that matter. Those kids in Coatesville quit two weeks ago, they should beat D-West without Worley and they got crushed. Coatesville was probably the easiest draw in the first round this year because of the circumstances.
District 2 First Round:
Scranton Prep went in 10-0 and their season ends with a 31-26 defeat to Abington Heights. JC Show completes a key 3 & 8 pass late to Nate Hollinder to seal the win despite near perfect defensive coverage.
Crestwood pushed Berwick 10-0 all over the field, however Max Thomas breaks up a 4th down pass from Dave Popson intended for Lance Blass on Crestwood’s last play to save the win 14-13.
It will be a rematch between Abington Heights at Berwick next Saturday for the District 2 title. Going off today’s performance it could be a long Sat afternoon for Berwick. Many people thought Berwick was going to go to the Eastern Finals????
Philly boy,
On directv I can get D7 games on ROOT sports. Last night I watched Upper St Clair vs North Allegheny. St Clair is the #1 seed and to be quite honest I wasn’t overly impressed. NA lost so much from last years team and was the 9seed. Game was tight util USC pulled away in the 4th. It is only 1 game that i have in which but I think The Eastern Rep could certainly beat USC. I actually thought McKeesport was the best 4A team out west but they were upset last night. I havnt had the chance to see PCC but im sure they are pretty good. One thing is for sure. No team out west this year is near the class to what North Allegheny was last year.
@SteveS
According to you LS was outcoached, defense could not stop anyone, offense was lacking, their young and inexperienced…..sounds like outclassed to me. I agree they will be back next year. Seems our posts are virtually identical. All the best to LS, they have a great program.
So I’m thinking about going to see pottsgrove game this week. Can someone give me a scouting report of them?
Thanks
@phillyboy, Wilson is for real. They play sound team defense, very tough to run against. Give up avg less than100 yds rushing. Balanced offense. Won big last night with backup QB. Tough rematch next week with Penn Manor, get by that and should go to D3 final. This is a program that suits up 92 kids, relaced 19 starters and didn’t miss a beat. 2 solid running backs, and really spread ball to a lot of receivers. Only issue is Wilson is undersized, no lineman over 220, and not particulary fast. Just play solid team ball and very strong physically.
Watching D7 it looks like Upper St Clair or PCC, both have beenstrong all season. If Wilson wins D3 I would expect D7 to win the state semi, don’t think Wilson will have size or speed to match up.
@Bill
Went to the Prep vs. Abington game. Prep played extremely well under the circumstances. Their two best defensive players sidelined because of injury and I heard their secondary was also plagued with injuries. I do agree though the match-ups can’t ever be set in stone because of such situations.
@O.L coach. Again look at my predictions on 11/6.
People this is a forum where you talk about the teams you know. I’ve even asked about teams I don’t know.
So if we’re going by AAAA, AAA, etc.. Imhotep is one of the best teams in the state and beat Lasalle. Pottsgrove is AAA and won their league but Springford and Pek Valley both just advanced in the first round. Sometimes these AAA teams aren’t bad, they are just small schools. Most of the time bigger schools do have the advantage and teams like North Penn are large schools compared to Chesmont teams ,but its not like Checo teams or Delco teams have not made noise in the district and state playoffs.
@PCL AAAA guy,
Almost missed your post, it was in the middle of 15 posts, one of which was mine. I’m happy to see you have taken quite an interest in my posts. You can follow me on twitter @pclaaaaguyrules.
@ol coach,
Sorry if you thought I was talking to you when I say let’s discuss something. I generally talk to a few guys who’s opinions I respect and am looking for their ideas on things. You are not one of those guys. Sorry again if you misinterpreted my comment as being directed towards you.
Lets see how Berwick does against AH…assuming of course they beat Crestwood. Berwick hasn’t played a tough team since WVW 6-7 weeks ago.
@PCLAAAA guy, you’re right, I especially love when Jive posts “ok, lets all discuss what I find comical …”
Uh, how about, let’s not. How about we’ll all discuss what we want, not what Jive wants.
@Tank and anyone else who was on here touting Chester-Delco teams.
You need to start looking at strength of schedule, league strength as well as individual team strength. An impressive record in the chester-delco area isn’t all that impressive due to the weak conference ratings. Hell, many of the AAAA teams out there play close to a majority of their games against AAA competition.
You all need to start looking past records and evaluate just how those records came about.
Maybe Jive Turkey has a point about the strength of schedule. I don’t know how many undefeated teams have gotten bounced in the first round in the last several years: CB South, Ridley, Rustin, D’town East etc. I think North Penn may be a little too ambitious. Maybe somewhere in between is the key.
Anybody out there follow D7 or D3, was wondering who is expected to emerge from the WPIAL AAAA, probably PCC or Upper St. Clair? And what about Wilson West Lawn, are they for real?
@ Tank,
Never said that you said Chest-mont was powerful. I said powerful. To make it easier for you to read I put it in parentheses, gave it it’s own paragraph, had a bunch of arrows pointing at, and labeled it Tanks quote. Guess next time I’ll see if they can somehow print it in neon letters to make it easier for you.
I’m not gonna bash Worley at all, too nice of a kid. However, the only playoff team they played with him, they beat by 13. They only put up 14 against D-town East. I think the kid is a great player, but I stand by what I said. He is not a 31 point difference maker, especially against playoff teams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO4QTIqU9Hg&sns=em
Congrats to ESS, still not sold on them and this week vs a healthy Easton will show if they are for real. @ trad31, never sold on Prep, good, not playoffs good. @ Easton24, WVW coach making decision to go for 2 cost him. Take the tie and momentum especially since they scored twice in 4th qtr. It will be long off season for WVW coaches.
Everyone who weeks ago penciled in Scranton Prep against Berwick in the d2 AAA final better get their erasers out
Drove 2hrs to see Easton vs Wyoming Valley W game. I have to tip my hat to the 6’5 QB WVW had he was very good. Easton was without Shane Simpson and a starting linebacker however next man up Kyle Bambary ran almost 260 yards. For a 1 pt Easton win, won in the 4th qtr. WVW was down 2 touchdowns and scored twice in the 4th qtr. Down by 1 with under 1 minute to go WVW opted to go for the 2pt conversion instead of the tie and going OT. The QB stumbles w the ball…bad handoff and as a result RB gets tackled in the backfield with 20 seconds on the clock and Easton wins. Awesome game.
This forum is off the rails and has been for some time. I mean can anyone get a word in other than Jive Turkey? He’s on here every other post. Jive Turkey should just have his own blog and if your interested in what he has to say you can go somewhere to follow him. PA Preps has it all over this Forum.
@jiveturkey. Though I agree with you Coatesville was overrated as being top ranked in the state, Worley is 31 pt difference maker in HS. Look at his YPC avg and he is a D1 D-back. D West beat Coatesville 24-7 without him. They aren’t better than Coatesville. Those kids gave up two weeks ago when he went down. They were just going through the motions the last two weeks . This isn’t the NFL, top college D1 schools where you can just plug and play people. NP’s D1 schedule was weak and that’s facts. You can only play who is in front of you. I don’t think Coatesville would have beaten anyone in the first round. I love the way you dudes twist words to attempt to make yourselves look good. I spoke pretty factual and can admit when I’m wrong but I’ve been pretty spot on. Even saying Rustin had a tough first round draw.
@joker1 my post about the size of Rustin’s school was way before the game was played so not sure how that’s an excuse. FACTS. Did you not make a statement on what NP has done the last 12 years, and ask what Rustin has done? I just answered your question and gave you the history. It had nothing to do with the game. So Rustin made the Playoffs in all three years they’ve been in AAAA? Not bad I’d say. One loss in the playoffs doesn’t make you bad the last time I checked.
I went to the Rustin- Perk Valley game and Rustin was out coached. By dropping back in a zone and not sending anyone to pressure the QB he stood back and made easy plays especially on 3rd down. It was a momentum game where Rustin fumbled on the third possession, dropped a wide open TD pass on 4th down towards the end of the half to go up 7-6, offsides on 4th and inches at about the 16. There was a drive earlier in the game where Rustin was punching the ball down their throats and the coach gets to about the 20 and calls a pass play for no reason and loses about 7-10 yds on a sack. Perk Valley’s D did a great job keying on Loper and Rustin’s coach did an awful job of using the other athletes he has on the team.
I didn’t walk away too impressed with Perk Valley as a team. Though there D is pretty good, Rustin is very vanilla in their offensive approach. I think Rustin has a better team but Perk had the better game plan, and in game coaching . I do like Perk Valley’s QB, very poised and holds the ball and looks off defenders well. The key to beating them is pressure, by dropping back in a zone you’re asking for it because he will find the open man and if all else fails he can run to move the chains. Great win by Perk Valley and their kids.
@jiveturkey. Show me once where I said the Chesmont was powerful. I said say what you want but they had 4 teams in the playoffs and three at home. FACTS. If you look at my actual predictions from 11/6, Rustin is the only Ches-Mont team I predicted to advance. Downingtown West was only a five seed because they beat a banged up Coatesville without Worley or their starting qb. D-West plays with heart but they are small and Spring-ford is pretty good. Plus 4 injuries to starters for DWest going into playoffs but its part of the game. No one had Coatesville winning after losing Worley. I said Pollard would run over Unionville. Perk-Valley over Rustin surprised me. So again Jive Turkey it’s okay to be happy but read all my posts if you’re going to call me out.
Drew and Brett Gordon really had a poor outing tonight in my opinion. Didn’t like their gameplan at all. The wildcat was a total waste of offensive snaps. When you have a QB like LS does, you put the ball in his hands. Just my opinion.
The first time I can remember the Gordon’s gameplan looking totally out of order at this point in the season. A lot of that could be on SJP though..
Props to Gabe Infante and SJP. That’s a hell of a team. Could be a new era starting. I hope Chris Martin is ok to go a couple weeks from now.
@hs fb fan
SJP did not outclass LS. They were out coached. Shurmur should have thrown a little more (run kept getting stopped) Wildcat didn’t work (unless sjp ran it) and went for 4th down conversions vs. field goal attempts. Defense couldn’t stop anyone. Still go back to what I said before. These kids were never given a shot the previous year. Lots of underclassmen got to play which should hopefully prepare them for next year. Ls will be back next year.
@ Tank….
Oh… So now that Rustin showed the weren’t as good as you and Football fan made them out to be. So you go the excuse route of… the school is small, only been around 10 years, bla, bla, bla.
I love you guys who have your team, oh by the way has lost 3 times in the first round in the last 4 years beating everybody. They weren’t as good as you made them out to be, their opponents this year had a .500 record.
@tsaf,
I hate to do it, but I’m gonna give you some ammo for the bye week debate. Just saw a pic on FB of Prep QB in some kind of full leg brace/air cast. Next week they play Frankford, most likely, and shouldn’t need him for that game. The following week is turkey day, won’t play. So hopefully, hopefully for Prep, he heals up in 3 weeks.
@Tank,
“Say what you want about the chest-mont league, but 3 of 4 teams from that league are hosting games tonight”. <<<<<Tanks quote
Um Tank, ALL 3 LOST!!!!!! Tell me again how powerful that league is. The only thing I can think of pertaining to powerful, is the power they wasted lighting their fields tonight. Hey Tank & football fan, give me your predictions for next week. Wow, do you guys have any idea how hard it is to type while laughing hysterically?
Rustin……oh boy!…let the bashing begin
@football fan,
I was gonna put some kind of wise a** comment, but I’m sure you are upset enough about the loss, so I’ll leave it at that.
Let’s all talk about some stuff that I find absolutely comical. I said North Penn was a pretty good D1 team, and got mocked. They are undefeated in D1 so far, on to round 2. I said Rustin played a very weak schedule, mocked again. #2 seed knocked out in first round, blown out at that. I said Coatesville was good this year, but nothing close to what people thought they were. I said that before Worley got hurt. He is a big loss, but not a 31 point difference maker. Crushed in first round! The thing that I find comical is the people that mocked me actually follow D1. I’ll be going back and looking at past comments all week when I need to laugh. Looking forward to next week, good luck to all of the teams that are still playing for the title.
Congrats SJP. Clearly outclassed LaSalle. LaSalle DB’s struggled. Play calling was inadequate. Taking a great QB out of the equation for an inept spread option was not good.
Yo Football fan! You still here? I don’t expect a reply .
I said they were good, then you went on a rant about how great they were, so I did a bit of research and said they wouldn’t go far because they played a weak schedule… Oops I was right!.
If you wanna see a good game head to Pennsybury, the winner of that game will win D1.
On a side not a team that you said played a bad D1 schedule just blanked Coatseville 31 to 0 and held them to 27 passing yards an like 75 rushing yards. Not bad for a average team. I’m sure Worley would have made a difference!
come on 3 hours till kickoff no response
Also @ joker1 Rustin has only been in existence for about 10 years with the first year only fielding a JV team I believe. They started out at AAA going as far as the district finals. For a school only starting up 10 years ago in a town divided by three HIgh Schools for no real reason, and about half the size of NP I’d say they have been doing pretty darn good.
If West Chester had one school one could argue that they’d compete for a state title almost every year. They have 3 High Schools for one town
haha not a chance they lose to perkiomen valley. if they lose i would say pennsbury would be the team to do it. cant help what teams in your division do. just know they are a great football team and can play with anyone in the district this year
@Jive
Your comment on the “same interest in D1 as D7” got me thinking a bit. Last season, many of us posting these threads were concerned pre-championships with a possible West sweep; remember? Thanks to Wyomissing in 2A, it didn’t happen. I guess this season no one has that concern; figuring we have pretty good odds in Imhotep in 2A, and the survivor of LaSalle-St. Joe’s in 4A; and maybe Southern Columbia in 1A. And then there is Wood in 3A also; of course, providing they all GET THERE! But, there are some big boys out west again that are 10-0 and have been here before, and with winning records in the finals. Could be some dynamite finals this season.
@jiveturkey All you did with the numbers is prove NP’s D1 schedule was similar to Rustin’s. Neither one was great, but it does not mean Rustin did not play some good teams because they didn’t play a great team. NP played 3 very good to great teams outside of D1 and didn’t even come close so even mentioning that they were on their schedule really has no relevance. Say what you want about the Chesmont but three of the 4 teams in that league are hosting games tonight including NP on the road at Coatesville.
@MK Unionville has 2 losses on their schedule. One to 1 seed Garnet Valley and the other to 2 seed Rustin. Oxford was a good but not great team this season. Unionville’s QB is the real deal. They had trouble stopping Loper so I doubt they can stop Pollard for Neshaminy tonight so they better out score them.
@Joker1 Perk Valley does seem like everyone’s upset special but Rustin has been getting picked to lose in all their big games this year by the so called experts. These experts in hs football like us just look at box scores and draw conclusions. And most of them go with the teams that represent their region. Rustin is better than people think, but they did draw one of the tougher matchups in the 1st round because Perk Valley’s Rasaan Stewart is such a Dynamic Do all QB/athlete. Rustin starts with Loper but it def doesn’t end there. This team can run, pass, and plays stingy dfense. This is why the games are played.
Breaking news for easton 2 starters will be in street clothes tonight at wyoming valley west team has already left for game could u name them dist 11 fans??????????????????
@football fan,
I honestly don’t have any interest in D1. I don’t live in that district, so to me I have the same interest as I would in D7. The only reason I kinda track it, is to see who D12 will get in the semi-final. Rustin should be happy with the AAA teams they play. Without them, and their records, the opponent winning percentage would be almost laughable. Hey, I wish Rustin the best of luck. No ill will at all, just pointing out the obvious.
@football fan.
Numbers never lie.
Your team won’t be around in a few weeks and you can become a real football fan!
BTW- North Penn is 26 Wins and 4 losses in D1 playoff games over the last 12 years. What has Rustin’s done?
I read 3 articles last night that questions Rustin’s schedule and 2 have them losing. Ha….
Jive gave it to you straight. I’d say Rustin would be .500 if they played NP schedule this year.
Talk to you after your 1st round lose tonight.
@MK unionville got a good offense great qb play. wouldnt be suprised if they go to neshaminy and leave with the win. @joker1 we can talk more in a few weeks. @jiveturkey numbers are numbers put them on the field together see what happens. NP plays AAAA schools rustin cant help they play AAA schools its the division their in. you put rustin in the national division i still say they would be undefeated coatesville would have 2 losses and downingtown west wouldnt be in the playoffs right now. Go watch Rustin play sometime im sure you havent seen them in person yet
@Jim B funny just saw in the paper this morning that from 1995 to 1998 it was a sub regional with D11, and then for a few years i think 2003 to 2006 with d4. why they got away from it i dont know, but what you said makes a lot of sence
@football fan,
I had to take a look to see how accurate your comment is. Before I give you the numbers, let me visit the D-town East thing. They may have been supposed to be good, but they weren’t, 4-6.
Rustin opponents were a combined 44-46.
Against AAAA opponents they were 22-39.
Rustin opponents were all D1, I’m pretty sure.
North Penn opponents were a combined 53-36.
Against AAAA opponents they were 39-33.
NP did open with 3 D12 teams and played 7 D1.
NP D1 opponents were 30-30, .500%
WCR D1 opponents were 44-46, not 500%, but close.
NP D1 opponents against AAAA 26-29, .472%
WCR D1 opponents against AAAA 22-39, .360%.
Tell me again who had the stronger schedule? I’m a D12 guy, so I have no dog in this fight. However, like the saying goes, numbers never lie.
@ football fan
throwing Oxford in there doesn’t help your case much, when u are talking about Rustin’s tough schedule considering the fact that U’ville put 70 points on the board against them last week.
@Football fan…
I am struggling to take anything you said the last 72 hours seriously. Are you that delusional!
You know nothing … I REPEAT…. Nothing about North Penn, if CB West was that good, why was it 50 to 14, 35 seconds into the 2nd half? Or is NP that good? Can’t be both!!!
You keep trying your best to put NP down, bla…bla…bla.
They have been in this rodeo going deep into D1 and played in the state championships for the last 11 years.
It’s not old news, it’s relevant … The NP seniors won D1 and went to Hershey,
Please stop the babble about them playing a C-ville team with Worley.. Get over it Rustin wont make it!
@jive turkey rustin D1 schedule was stronger than NP henderson was a solid team even if they are AAA. oxford was better this year as was great valley. they also played downingtown east who was suppose to be good like they always are. NP had cb west thats it. @joker1 your right but your talking about the past this is the present. Im just saying rustin will go further than NP this year. I really wanted to see Rustin play a healthy coatesville with worley against that stingy rustin defense but wont happen
@raiderfan24/7
relax this team and all 16 teams will give their best effort Friday night. Just remember Cville seniors are a proud group.If they go down it will be with a fight. they been there before.just like in other blogs on here NP did not play anybody but the first 3 games and got crushed.It should be a great game. All 8 games are great matchups.Everybody just remember Downingtown East last year.High School kids anything can happen.
Markd
Yea, I think a d2/d4 AAA subregional makes a lot a sense. This year the D4 AAA bracket has three 5-5 teams, and one 4-6 team.
I think the best format is to have the top two teams from D2 and the top two teams from D4, and then four wildcards. Wildcards, of course based on state points.
Word am getting from C’ville camp is that they don’t have much confidence. Worley was more then just a great player on this team. He was their leader in many ways. their QB is definitley back that should help a little. Hope it’s a good game. Don’t like their chances though.
Like I said before, I’m not a D1 guy and don’t really know much about the teams. I look at scores and schedules for all of the info I get. I have to ask a question about Council Rock North. How in the world can anybody say “they have momentum”, when they lost 42-8 three weeks ago? Does winning 2 close games, over 2 teams with a combined 6-14 record, constitute momentum?
you did not post my last,i quess you have to be from np
central man,it is spelled garnet valley
I read Garnet Valley’s starting rb may be out, not sure how deep their team is though.
Garnett Valley Is On Upset Alert! Crn Has Some Momentum Coming In And Have Had More Than Enough Close Games This Year. Gv Hasn’ Had Close Games And If Their Losing In The Second Half They Might Be In trouble
ESS playing Post Season in D11 will not get past week 2, they’ll be lucky to get by Scranton. Scranton Prep and Abington Heights are good not great teams and won’t get past game 2. Sorry, but that’s the real deal.
@Ron yes if they can get past Abington.to be honest i havent seen Berwick play this year,i have had people tell me that neither Prep or Abington can handle Berwick passing game.If it is Prep it will be interesting to see how they match up up frount.
@Jim B if they did make D2-4 AAA a subregional how would you break it down Six from D2 and 2 from D4 for a 8 team play off? the D4 teams would never get enough points on the curret point system unless they had a lot more cross over games with D2 and 11. it not a bad idea if you can work a fair system.
@ joker1 I agree but it’s not like NP even competed with the first three teams and CB West was the only solid D1 win. In my predictions I have NP winning but that’s why the games are played. I’ll be watching Rustin vs Perk Valley. I’ve seen Rustin play a few times so I know what they are capable of. I hear this kid Rasaan Stewart is really good for Perk Valley and one of the best Athletes in the state. Loper for Rustin is one of the best backs in the state. Friday can’t get here soon enough
Ok your the 2 seed! Sorry!
Look they are a good team, you may be right, they will beat everybody and March up to Hershey. NP could lose to Pensbury (probably the best team in the 16) right now, heck NP could lose to Coatseville.
Here is a little history in D1 that may help calibrate your chest pounding…Rustin has lost in the first round 2 of the last 3 years while NP won D1 two of the last 3 years and went to the state championship game.
It’s not about how you start, it’s about how you finish! Nothing from August 31 to today matters.
It’s good to be passionate, better to be realistic.
Just curious about this D1 debate. I see that football fan has Rustin/Pennsbury in the semis. Not NP because of their poor schedule. Fair enough. Let me then ask, what was so great about Rustin’s schedule? Aside from Unionville, 34-20, who else have they played that will be competing in the AAAA playoffs?
also rustin is not the one seed garnet valley is rustin is 2
@joker1 that was 3 years ago. NP was a better team then rustin going into that game. everyone knew that. also NP and rustin are in the same side of the bracket would play in semifinals but wont see that matchup because NP wont beat pennsbury. Rustin vs Pennsbury will be the semifinal in that bracket would of been Rustin vs Coatesville if worley was not injured. Also NP has been doing what they are doing because they had a bad D1 schedule besides the cb west game who is a good team but not great
David, there are no issues with brackets; never were.
@ Jim B,
That would be a fair approach and would at least give a more competitive match up deeper into the playoffs.
I still believe, under .500 should not get you into the playoffs.
@ Football fan…
You clearly just looking for an argument, I was merely stating what they have been doing in a few games I saw and not making predictions. I was not talking about Rustin. But since you brought it up….. How did that work out for you 3 years ago when NP went into your house as a 11 seed?
Rustin has a really good team, they are ranked #1 and I’m in any way trying to take that away from them.
You should worry about your side of the bracket before you go predict what Rustin’s D will do to anybody.
The best part is the kids play the games and you get to watch and blog about it and make predictions based on emotion.
Mika:
Got it
@joker1 i hope your not talking about rustin when you said there are 3-4 teams NP would beat easily. that would be laughable and false. rustin too big up front on both sides of the ball NP would get pushed around. those 200-300 rushing yards would be more like 100 tops against rustins D. just hope you werent talking about them in that statement
@ Tank
My posts from September supported Coatseville, and I totally agree about the impact not having Worley will have, he was that good.
You can argue points versus common opponents, time of day, full moon or no moon. My point about their schedule is valid.
They play Friday night and may the best team that night win.
@RedRaider
They are running the ball very well right now. During the 3 early loses they couldn’t run and you know you can throw if you can’t run, so they didn’t do much.
They don’t throw for yards, they throw to keep you honest or to beat you if your cheating into the box. They can throw deep balls, and are very efficient when they choose to throw.
If Coatseville plays their LBs close to the line they will get burnt for long runs.
Both sides have real good line play with big players, and will be fun to watch.
There D is better then you saw in that game.
@Dave,
I don’t care if you throw 100 brackets up there. I don’t even know if that’s what the complaint is. Judging from the source, it wouldn’t be far fetched that that’s the issue.
@ mark d; if Prep beats AH, they come to Crispin, which will be rockin and packed with bulldog fans. Berwick knows Prep has a great defense, they have scouted them many times this year, but Berwick has great defense also. Key to game can Prep move the ball against bulldogs, and can Berwick stop rb Marino? Berwick has a lot of playmakers, cant key on one player. Coach Curry will find mismatches and find a way to win game. Berwick is focused on winning d2 and going deep in state playoffs.
Joker, you sort of answered my question — so I’m guessing NP runs the ball a lot — not great in the passing game? Anything is possible, but I would be shocked to see them get 200-300 rushing yards. I guess you could say Coatesville’s schedule was somewhat weak (who thought D-East would not be very good), but Coatesville had a bigger victory over the only common opponent and Central Dauphin East is an AAAA playoff team. Henderson and Bishop Shanahan are too (yes, I know at the AAA level — but Henderson is a good team). Moreover, NP got blown out when considering the tough part of their schedule. Any way, I just watched the NP and Souderton game, the NP offense does look good, but their defense was not impressive. It might come down to turnovers (or bad calls :)). The bottom line is that the question will be answered Friday night on the field.
@ Mika:
Not being the most computer savvy person in the world, how do I ” clear the cache” ?
@ RedRaider:
NP does not have much of a passing game ( if any), but can run the ball fairly well. So if C’ville forte is run defense, should be a helluva game
tsaf77
D4 AAA is a joke. They have 6 teams, and 4 of those teams make the district playoffs. D2 has 15 AAA teams, and only 4 make districts. Totally unfair. The EC AAA bracket has better teams then the D4 AAA district tourney.
I think the PIAA should make a AAA D2/D4 subregionbal, much like they do in AAAA with D2,D4(Williamsport) and D11.
@joker1 I disagree Coatesville’s schedule was weak. True injuries happen but take any dynamic two way player like Worley off any roster and it makes a huge impact especially at the hs level.
You can also look at it like when Coatesville was healthy they beat CB South by 30+ points and NP only beat South by 7. And NP hasn’t exactly played the strongest D1 schedule. At the end of the day it’s all about match-ups and adjustments.
Coatesville played like kids with no hope last week. Either they learn from it or they are going to get beat badly this week.
@Jive Turkey….We did that before they were in the PIAA. I can take that out.
@ RedRaider…
You can judge your defense after the NP game. I think Coatseville a schedule is weak, they just got beat by the only playoff team on there schedule.
North Penn started off on the wrong side of the win column early, but has been humming since week 4. They have several ground weapons and have been putting up 200 to 300+ yards on the ground per game.
I believe they will need #3 back to have a chance.
@Dave,
A, AA, AAA, and AAAA brackets are clearly visible on the right side of the screen, on the home page. Here is what I think is the problem. The Catholic league has their own bracket posted also. I think it’s more of a, “why did they get their individual bracket posted, and D1 didn’t”? That’s just a guess, but it’s the only thing I can think of, as to why you have been getting your stones busted all week. There are no problems with the brackets being viewed, updated, or anything else.
Hey…Is anyone else having issues with the brackets? If you don’t see the information try clearing your cache. Let me know.
@Ron sure Berwick going to get a shot at D11 i think a couple of teams from the Lackawanna conference might have something to say about that.Dont sleep on Scranton Prep they are very big and quick up frount,said it before Prep hasnt seen a offence like Berwick but Berwick hasnt seen a defence like Preps, should be fun
Up set special Scranton over Stroudsburge
First Round D1 predictions for fun. My disclaimer is I have only seen a few of the teams play so there is no real science behind this, it’s just for kicks and discussion.
Just listing winners with seeds
1 Garnet Valley
8 Abington
4 Neshaminy
12 Spring-Ford
2 WC Rustin
7 CB West
3 Pennsbury
11 North Penn
* I think the most interesting games of rd 1 are Neshaminy vs Unionville, Rustin vs Perk Valley, and Upper Darby vs Pennsbury.
Does Coatesville have a chance if they get their quarterback (Young) in the lineup, or is he still out? (Although the backup had some drops to deal with). Coatesville’s offense looked bad against D-town West, but they still have one of the better defenses I’ve seen that can turn a game around. Does North Penn have a good passing game?, because I doubt they will be able to run on them.
Only in the AAAA classifications can schools be pitted against other schools that have more than twice their enrollment.
consider the smallest and largest in D1 AAAA bracket
Rustin 522 North Penn 1575
Unionville 528 Upper Darby 1434
Garnet Valley 576 Pennsbury 1324
Upper Dublin 582 Neshaminy 1221
District 2 AAA (Coal Region Updates) Friday it will be Lackawanna League rivals (#3 seed) Abington Heights 9-1 at (#2 seed)Scranton Prep 10-0. Abington Heights only loss was to Prep 21-13.
Sat afternoon it will be (#4 seed) Crestwood 9-1 at (#1 seed) Berwick 10-0. Crestwood’s only loss this year was in their opener 41 -7 at Berwick.
The following week will be the District 2 Final with the opening game winners meeting and the highest seed being the host.
Inter-District play will start the 3rd week (Nov 22) with District 2 vs District 11 (Southern Lehigh, Pottsville, Bethlehem Catholic, Lehighton winner) at a site to be determined.
Sorry, D4 best record in AAA is 5-5. That wouldn’t make the EC this season.
If PIAA made the records a requirement it would weed out some of the teams. Do not want to offend, but why does D4 have 4 AAA teams? Their 1 seed is 6-4. It is bad when Eastern Conference playoffs support teams with better records than some Districts in PIAA. Teams should at least be .500 to make the playoffs.
@MK
Not sure what the answer is! The new points system should help, but the new SOL division of big schools will hurt the playoffs. I don’t know much about the entire make up of the other D1 leagues, but imagine 5 of them in the same conference.
Take Buddies team North Penn, 7-3, and an 11 seed. There are 4-6 teams ranked higher that NP would blow out and there are 3-4 more who probably don’t want to play them right now.
Upsets are always possible, but those teams don’t last much longer.
@ ray I say this is the year Berwick and Valley West take care of d11.Saw Berwick-Valley West game, was very impressed with qb Baur, very good passer and runner, Valley West has playmakers, but big ? is defense. Berwick ran through VW defense in second half, Valley West may be in a shootout with Whitehall or Parkland.
@ray
haven’t seen valley west but easton is not the Easton of old. maybe you guys can beat them but they are not at the level of whitehall or parkland. east strousburg south is not even.on eastons level. it will be interesting to see but if they beat easton they wont be challenged until they play the parkland vs. whitehall winner. i expect it to be whitehall vs valley west/easton. can’t pick against valley west because i havent seen them play yet. but who knows alot can happen in the playoffs.
EASTON at. VALLEY WEST lets hear it fans big winner will be in the regional final book it!!!!! east stroudsburg has not yet played anyone other than stroudsburg 14-7 valley west was up on stroudsburg 42-7 before backups came in, i want to hear from everybody its playoff week !!!!!!!!!!!!!! could this be the year wvw makes a run . what does everyone think long trip to spartan stadium infront of 10,000 red rovers get ready!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! spartan love
@ Joker
so do you think we need an AAAAA (5A) classification?
@Dawg93
I think 16 in D1 is appropriate, especially with the new SOL alignment. Pennsbury, Abington, Neshaminy, NP, CR North all in the same division next year and all in the 2013 D1 bracket.
All the while you have smaller schools playing nobody, racking up wins, getting into the 16 team bracket then getting crushed in the first round.
I just think any of the teams above at 7-3 would better represent in the first round and win a few games over the smaller schools.
I will gauge my points above by the Abington vs Upper Dublin game, then by the 2nd round game the winner of the CB West vs PW game.
UD, West and PW fielded their best teams in years and I’m not convinced its good enough to ever make a deep run.
Where Dave?
I’m going under ” Team Info”, then under “Playoff Brackets”, then I hit “AAAA brackets” and there is no brackets for District one and some others.
Am I in the wrong place?
@Buddy The schedules have been up since yesterday. Refresh your browser.
C’mon web owners! The brackets are posted on other sites, you could merely copy & paste !
It’s nice to stay on one site for info instead of poping back & forth.
BTW, WFMZ ( channel 69) has the brackets also.
The games are on the PIAA official bracket also. Future only made the dance because Jenkintown dropped out. They only made the 2A pub playoff run on the bracket because DelVal got banned from the playoffs. I guess they added them so a 4 team tourney can be formulated. Good question though, what would have happened if they won the 2A chip?
@ Jive You got to go to the PIAA site to get the bracket. What is published here is something these guys put together.
Everyone gives D12 grief for the Bye when in reality any district can create a Bye. D12 plays a 9 game regular season and leave a date open at Thanksgiving. D7 plays 9 games but then has 32 teams in their playoffs. D1 plays 10 games and has 16 teams in their playoffs. Both D1 and D7 could create a bye if they wanted to. D12 has a bye mainly because they can’t find teams to fill a 11 game regular season because everyone plays on Thanksgiving except LaSalle.
@PCL,
I don’t doubt the 16 team bracket. If you look up past years archives that is all they show. The games are on the brackets now, so I kinda took the, “that’s good enough to convince me route”. After seeing what happened with Future, I would have to lean your way on this one. Had the Future/Imhotep game been a PIAA playoff game, Future would not be playing this week in the A bracket. I think we all would agree that it’s easier to figure out neuroscience than the PIAA rules & regulations.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrScEdNgJlw
That is the link to the Imhotep Eastern Christian Academy game.
Enjoy
Tsaf,
I believe there was a motion to shorten the season to 15 weeks about 2 years ago. It made it all the way to the last reading and came up for vote but failed. Not sure why. MAybe if someone else knows they can expand……Several years ago there was a push to create a 5A division. Several of the Eastern districts were in favor of it if I remember correctly. D7 threatened to pull out because it would adversely effect their playoff set up. The idea being creating another division would create more balance between sizes of schools as well as shortening the season….So i thing the PIAA has tried to remedy some things but it hasn’t always worked out….I agree the season is probably at least a week to long. But it looks like the 16 week set up isnt going anywhere
Any body out agree that the State Football Playoff System has to many games. To be specific I mean that a sample District in AAAA may have a 16 team playoff format for a District Title but the last 4 or 5 in have losing records. That’s just not right. I’m in favor in a shorten District Playoff from 16 to ten teams. Then enter the State Playoff’s.
@ Facts and Jive
The PIAA bracket only includes 16 teams, that is all that make up the PIAA tournament. The rest of the games are just district games. At the AAA and AAAA level the D12 final is considered a PIAA playoff game. In D1 only games for the Semifinals are considered PIAA playoff games.
The Game of the Week!!!
St. Joe’s is probably the slight favorite in this game but with the way the season ended, I’m going with La Salle 27-24. Should be a good one!!
@Tsaf
I disagree again. While eliminating the first week for the other Districts, cuts down teams who can possibly get good late and make a splash in the tournament. For example, this will work good for Ryan if they were in another div.
Jive, you are one funny guy. Sorry for ,misquote but that last post was classic..
@ JiveTurkey
One of the funniest posts I’ve ever read on here. Well done.
@Colin
I agree. It is not an easy concept to resolve. As Jive pointed out, there are Districts that have had teams set in their brackets for 2 weeks, idle.
I just see various other methods to make it even where everyone plays the same number of playoff games. We may not agree about the teams that make. Like AB Ryan, but they should have taken care of business the whole season.
We can find the state champion in 15 weeks. We don’t need 16. That is where the flaw begins. The extra games. Leave D12 and the other Districts who are idle alone and knock off one week for D2, 3, 4, 7, 11. The 1st round games feature teams with .500 records anyway. Not perfect, but it is a start.
Still shocked over the Neshaminy loss. Is Pennsbury really that good? Would love to see a rematch but it would have to be for the district title. Looks like the Skins have a better shot at the title because Pennsbury has that #2 seed Rustin to get through. Oh well, either way, Love to see that rematch and as far as you N.P. fans. Forget it!!!! Yeah, tough opening schedule but there really not that good this year. Beeping a Pennsbury Grad but watching my kid play for the Nehaminy 2001 AAAA championship team I’m still with the Skins and hoping they come up with a better game plan if they were to meat the Falcons again.
@ray,
Over the years I have done numerous experiments regarding HS students and steroids. In my findings, I have come to one absolute conclusion. All steroid users take their steroids before English class. This causes said student to have a whole lot of extra energy during that class. Long term effects are run-on sentences and lack of punctuation, commas and periods do not appear in their writings. My most recent experiment was on 11/4/13 at 10:20am. I found my research to be 100% accurate in that case. If I come up with anything else, I’ll be sure to report it.
@Facts,
I never said D12 playoffs were not part of the PIAA playoff bracket. In fact, I said the complete opposite. You can go back and read my comments on this 10/30 8:52pm. Hope that clears up my stance on this issue for you.
@Ray Easton 2 loses were a close game to Emmaus 14-7 and whitehall beat them 31-14.Easton better come ready to play WVW can be explosive.Dont sleep on Scranton either with McCarthy they can be a hand full for anyone.
hi stumbled onto this website i love high school football probably have seen 1000 games over the years i wonder if anyone else believes that there is a steroid influence in high school football at this time i believe there is i don’t like it because these are young guys and it certainly creates an unfair advantage and increases the possibility of injury i don’t believe it is rampant but it will be because the have nots will be forced to compete on the same level thank you
@David Mika or Kevin
Sorry to use this thread right now, as I know how busy you are, but I could not negotiate the computer-ese to get a direct eMail to Kevin through the site contact method. Just two things on the Class AA state champions listing. One, was Mount Carmel really D11 in 1994 as posted? And I get a 16-9 east-west wins total; while the posting has 17-8 east-west? The answers are important to my research on the past 25 state championships. Thank you for a great HSF website.
@raiderfan24/7, all you’ve posted about for 2the weeks now is Worley’s injury. It’s football; next man up. Shame for Worley but it’s history and past time to let it go.
@tsaf, specifically I asked names of teams who can be eliminated from states by losing on T-day. Thanks.
@ Facts
Do we really need to keep this going just so you can TRY to win an argument. Well your wrong again.
Example.
Future is in the public playoffs. They lost to IC in the semi final and if you look at the D12 A playoffs, you will see Future. Once again proving that league champs doesn’t count towards districts in this case or Future would be eliminated. Your splash is similar to throwing a grain of sand in ocean. Keep trying.
Ohh BTW. Why do you continue to avoid my FACT that losing the T-Day game does not get you ELIMINATED! That was the most important Fact that you avoided because it doesn’t play into your little argument. You should really change your name to FACKS because you don’t give any Facts.
@tsaf…
Ive been following your posts. I agree with many of you points. In a perfect world all districts will start their playoffs the same weekend under the same point systems. Its just not gonna happen bud. There are just to many variables for it to happen that way. If the PIAA said tomorrow..”starting next year this is the system everyone will use”…no exceptions”…you would have districts bailing all over the place. I think the PIAA sets up the bracket while trying to keep in mind every districts wishes. Should there be tweaks? no doubt! But all things considered there is just no cut and dry way to set these brackets up.
@ PhillyBoy…Click on the Scoreboard logo or here’s the link….
https://www.easternpafootball.com/scoreboardlive/
As soon as we enter the score it will show up on the scoreboard. If you don’t see a score you can enter the school name in the name box. We have all the scores in on both sites by 11pm each friday night.
I hope this helps!
Allow me to reiterate, the T-Day game does not count but it is a game nevertheless. By your definition Tsaff, a bye is beneficial because you can rest players and not have injuries. Well, check IC stats from last year, they played their starters in their T-day game and did not rest anyone. So your theory does not hold water by your definition of whats the advantage of a bye is. Their pub playoff run is counted against the piaa run, thereby it being added to the bracket and the reality that all ranking points are not calculated.
@tsaff and Jive
Where did you get the info that the Pub and Cath league playoff tourney is not a part of the piaa bracket? If its not, why is it, and always been, on the official piaa state playoff bracket? The reason I ask is because District officials state its apart of the playoff run which gives the D12 the same amount of games as everyone else. Check the brackets for yourself.. As matter of fact, the T-day game gives IC more games (8) to play in 2A chip then any other team. Check for yourself and respond back. District officials says those games count thats why they are on the bracket..
Splash!!
OK, gotcha Dave.
I guess I was looking for the actual brackets, not just the ratings.
I know #15 plays #2 for example, but if #15 wins, who would they ( be one of 2 teams) play next?
I’m sure you’ll have the brackets posted by tomorrow.
MGGUY
Thanks! That’s what I was looking for!
@ David Mika
Appreciate the site. You asked about anything we would like. Was thinking how about a list of the scores of the games each week as soon as they’re available Fri. and Sat. True, it’s possible to go to the team schedules and find out scores that way but it’s too much work to do that for all the teams. ….or is there already a place on the site that lists each week’s scores and I’m totally missing it? Thanks.
@Jive
All I tried to do was debate the PIAA issue. No disrespect to the teams because I know if IC had to play another game against an AA team from D1 or D12 they would win 99% of the time. Just want to see all teams travel the same path, with only advantage being a higher seed and not a bye because the PIAA won’t take the time to figure out how to make league champs relevant and other items left out.
In the 2013 PIAA District Football Playoff Ratings Week 10 post above….
What ” Link above” ?
District 1 seeds are out…Link above
@JimB, Fleetwood is a fairly balanced team, QB is Koenig, 57% completion rate, 1300+ yards, 8TD 7 INT, top target Webb has 28 catches averaging 11.2 yards. Running back Emge 9TD and close to 1,000 yards. All stats prior to game 10 which they won big over Kutztown. Another good player is Morgan Shigo on defense. They average 172 passing and 149 rushing, give up 220 rushing and 102 passing. They lost to Berks Catholic and Wyomissing in their section, lost a cross over game to Conrad Weiser. Should be a decent game.
Official D1 seeds from this morning’s coaches meeting:
1 – Garnet Valley
16 – CR North
8- Abington
9- Upper Dubin
5 – Downingtown West
12 – Spring-Ford
4 – Neshaminy
13 – Unionville
3 – Pennsbury
14 – Upper Darby
6 – Coatesville
11 – North Penn
7 – CB West
10 – Plymouth-Whitemarsh
2 – Rustin
15 – Perk Valley
@football fan, too early for you to be drinking. Pennridge is out; CRN is the 16th seed.
@OL Coach
You are late to the party.
You don’t follow logic? What is not logical behind what I stated? Don’t insult me when you can’t comprehend simplistic concepts of playoffs.
I said IC made choice to play a T-Day game. They face no chance of elimination if they lose that game, they have a BYE because they do not play a playoff game that following weekend.
I also said that there are teams that will play a T-Day game (again, their choice) and a playoff game 2 days later (which ia a game they can be eliminated from). Hence, 3 games in 8 days.
What you didn’t comprehend about my post is the issue with the PIAA. I just used IC as an example.
Which one is correct? One says Pennridge, one says CRN!!
@ Football Fan,
Pennridge is not in. I was at the meeting this morning.
@tsaf,
I’ve been following this whole back and forth. To keep your sanity, I would let it go. All anybody has to do is read your post and they will know you never said any team will be eliminated on turkey day. You said that WEEKEND teams will be eliminated. Again, you never, ever said a team would be eliminated on Thanksgiving. I do follow your logic, all someone has to do is comprehend the English language to do so. I still hate the “bye week” excuse, but it is not to difficult to understand your debate.
Coach don’t understand were your anger comes from. no one is asking for a pity party. just stating the facts. it’s hard for any team to win when you loose your best offensive player and your starting QB. sorry your feel such hatred for C’VILLE. we really are nice people. by the way was at that game on our side last year and no one cheered when that kid got hurt. in fact we all clapped for him when he left the field. sorry you hate us so much. Coatesville is full of hard working good people who love to support their teams. just like everyone else. Been to plenty of games at other schools and came accross some pretty ignorant people. I certainly don’t judge the entire community on those few ignorant individuals. so please don’t judge us that way. anyway have a nice day.
When will be district 1 playoffs be posted , does anyone know the top 16 teams . Thanks ..
Wow coatesville takes a lose on friday and they drop out of the top 10 rankings in the big school rankings. I guess thats how the it rolls, just cause they took a big hit with their main man out , does not mean they cant make it any where. All I can say is good luck to all the teams ,, and see you at hershey . Also dont for get about manheim central barons ..
@tsaf, just curious, I don’t follow your logic if there is any in your post.
You state that it’s a choice for IC to play a turkey day game (agreed) but then you end that there are teams who will be “strained” due to their playing on Thanksgiving.
Also, what specific teams will be eliminated from PIAA playoffs by losing on Thanksgiving? Again, just curious.
PENNRIDGE IS IN. CR NORTH IS OUT
D1 Seeds are official per the Coaches’ meeting this morning:
1 – Garnet Valley
16 – CR North
8- Abington
9- Upper Dubin
5 – Downingtown West
12 – Spring-Ford
4 – Neshaminy
13 – Unionville
3 – Pennsbury
14 – Upper Darby
6 – Coatesville
11 – North Penn
7 – CB West
10 – Plymouth-Whitemarsh
2 – Rustin
15 – Perk Valley
@ Buddy
Council Rock North is 16th seed. The Rams have only Quakertown to look forward to on Thanksgiving. I have seen no other brackets. I know you will appreciate this – caught the Neshaminy-Pennsbury game friday night; very surprised in overall outcome. Not the winner-loser; but the score.
@ Kmac:
Thanks for the info.
Someone has posted on this site that CR North is 16th seed, and another site ( PFN ) has Pennridge 16th seed. Also has discrepancy for other seeds.
Just dying to know whose right.
Know any other site that has the brackets yet?
What time are the brackets coming out?
@Buddy
One game today could (but unlikely) affect the 14-15 positions of Perk Valley and Upper Darby. But Bonner-Prendie would have to “upset’ O’Hara. The 10 more for UD would put them ahead of PV in that case. D1 probably just waiting for the sure result before updating. From what i have seen posted by others on D1 positions; it is only the 14-15 spots still in limbo.
@ Mika:
Yes, I see that.
Neither is D2,4 or 11 updated.
Interested in D1 myself.
I don’t think there are any games today that effect the brackets, so they should be available by now.
@ Buddy…I have them up on the site…Above
District 1 & Eastern Conference aren’t updated yet.
@ Mika:
Yes Dave, give us the playoff brackets ASAP.
Greatly appreciated.
Easton at Valley West. Easton better not be looking ahead. The Spartens are 18-1 over their last 19 games.
mgguy
You mentioned Fleetwood. Know anything else about them? They will be headed to Wilkes-Barre next week to play Coughlin in the EC. Is fleetwood a running team? passing team? Who are their top players?
Thanks in advance.
Hi all. Great job on this thread this year! If there is anything you want to see on the site let me know.
What are they best playoff match ups week 11?
@O L Coach, Thank You and well put! Last year’s state semi game speaks volumes of LaSalle’s kids, program and school. Never give up, LaSalle being down 21 into the 4th qtr (with those three players out), and get to the 19 to potentially tie the game (Gordon was going to go for 2 and the win). Sorry to see any player go down for the season, but…as in life, this will teach kids how to handle and come back from adversity. I hope a speedy recovery and a great football playoff season!
Where’s all u district 11 ‘aaaa’ fans EASTON at VALLEY WEST good part of the bracket winner will be in regional finals, east stroudsburg has only played strousburg and pleasent valley this year both close wvw smoked stroudsburg and easton would do the same . SO this is for for people in disrict 11 wvw is great against the run, but problems with the pass does easton throw alot? now for wvw offence avg’s 43 pts a game allows 14 a game we avg 225 yards rushing and 182 yards passing which is alot for high school district 2 just looking for some inside on easton in there 2 losses, how did they get scored on alot in those games? thanks !!! we have a spread ,no huddle offence that has alot of speed and we throw around 20 times a game also , so district 11 fans what do u think????
RUSTIN could keep the district one title in chesmont this year. they dont get a lot of respect i guess they just going to have to show it every week this postseason and silence some people
North Penn should take out C’ville, Unionville has a real good chance to bounce Neshaminy and Rustin should beat Perk. Valley but could get a scare.
@raiderfan24/7, please stop with the pity party. Last year, LS lost 3 two way starters including the most productive receiver in PCL history. C’ville fans were quite vocal in their lack of sympathy so don’ t expect any now. Karma really can be a bitch; it’s a shame for Worley but that’s about all.
Np vs Coatesville first round?!?!?! Thought that was going to be a potential district 1 title game
@OL Coach.
No disrespect to Buddy! Idc if he’s been a NP fan for 2 days or 20 years, then just be a fan and don’t blog about what you don’t know. He threw them under the bus and left them for dead after their 3rd drubbing, now he’s back. They ran the table in a decent confrence or are they really that good.
My point is the NP coach chooses to play the best out of conf. Schedule he can and lost. I guess they could beat up on a few local teams to get wins, but the new point sytem has him as an 11 seed with 1 more lose then the. 5 teams behind him.
To start the season the o-line was young, sum guys were hurt and they discovered a great soph RB. Now they are humming, healthy and could win a few games in districts.
Think about your team. the team you pull for take your starting QB and your best offensive player out of the picture and tell me what your chances are honestly. just the nature of football but it does make a big diffrence in how good your team will play. that being said. good luck to all the teams in the playoffs. It should be fun.
@Buddy
NP is definitely the favorite going into this game if they do end up playing. Coatesville most likely loses unless the coach can somehow rally the troops. They played yesterday like they lost all hopes of a deep playoff run. Rustin didn’t play Coatesville because they are in Che’s-mont American, and Coatesville and D West are Che’s-Mont National. The Ches-mont just started scheduling mandatory crossover games this year. Rustin plays the other two West Chester Schools every year (both national) and they played Downingtown East who were supposed to be good before the season. Rustin’s schedule is not as bad as it looks. There were some good teams in the Chesmont this season, Rustin just played outstanding mistake free football. If Neshaminy plays Unionville, they are not to be taken lightly . I
There is no clear cut favorite in D1, definitely going to be interesting!
@ Facts
You clearly do not understand the whole point of my rant on the PIAA. Yes, IC does belong as an example along with all the other teams in districts that do not have to play at least 5 PIAA playoff games to reach the final.
Last time I mention Thanksgiving. It is a choice, bud. They chose to play a game on that weekend which is great for the school/community. It does not resolve the PIAA issue. They still have BYE week. They can play whom ever they choose in that game, starters, 2nd string, doesn’t matter. They cannot be ELIMINATED from losing that game. Therefore it is a bye with a choice to play.
There are teams playing that weekend that will be eliminated from the PIAA playoffs however.
As I had also stated, there are teams from other districts that will play 3 games over Thanksgiving week because they do not have a BYE. Again, their choice to play the T-Day game but it will be a strain to play 3 games in 8 days.
@Joker1,
See my comment from 10/31 about somebody wearing flip-flops. Agree with you 100%!
I feel bad for Worley, met him a few times and is a really nice and mannerly kid. Don’t want to see anybody get hurt, but it sucks when it happens to a kid that is as good a person as he is a football player. Now for the negative about Worley getting hurt. Coatesville wasn’t that great this year. Now all of these C-ville chest thumpers will make the injury the #1 excuse why they lose. It’s a team game, win and lose as a team. No excuses, please!!!!!!!!!
General
Here’s the thing with Perk Valley and Upper Darby. I have PV 14th with 1190 points. I have UD 15th, tie in points 1180 with Council Rock North. But UD has an 8-2 record and CRN is 7-3, so even with the same points UD is 15; CRN 16. Now, UD has a shot at 20 extra power points with games today. Already mentioned was the 10 from a Bonner-Prendie win as somewhat doubtful. But they also have Marple-Newtown (2-7) playing Lower Merion (0-8). UD did not play Lower merion. A Marple-Newtown win would put UD and PV tie at 1190 and I do not have a clue of who has the tie breaker between PV and UD for the 14th-15th final position.
@Joker1, Buddy has been a NP fan on here longer than you’ve been around.
Also, check your strengths of schedule; you have Pennsbury playing a “great schedule”? Just kidding right? Garnet Valley schedule is suspect also.
None of it matters now, it will all play out on the field.
@ central league,
okay i was miss informed either way rustin wont lose to either team. i agree with buddy that rustin and pennsbury are playing the best right now and could possibly meet in the semifinals would be a great game. Rustin schedule is not their fauly either they are in chesmont american division which has weak teams but dont let that fool you they can play with anybody. unionville is a good team and rustin beat them fairly easy. District one is always the hardest to predict come playoff time going to be a great 4 weeks
@Buddy
Rustin got passed this week in the point race because their game was vs Octorara, a 3A team with only 1 win. Just the way their schedule worked out.
@ Joker1:
The only one that played a tough schedule through out the season was Pennsbury.
North Penn’s was only very tough the first 3 games, after that it was a rather easy schedule.
GV & Rustin schedules weren’t that impressive. It’s not GV’s fault , it’s that league. Not sure why Rustin didn’t have C’ville or D-west on their schedule.
Having said that, Rustin & Pennsbury are real hot. Will be tough to beat.
Tank:
Yeah, fell bad for C’ville ( but not too bad, since they face my team in 1st round). Worley was most of the offense. NP would absolutely not beat them if he was playing. Hell, it’ll be tough for NP to win even without him.
@Football Fan,
that’s not what was said on the 1440 WNPV radio last night. They said the only shot Darby has at getting the #14 seed is if Bonner beats O’Hara today, which is highly unlikely.
@joker1 Coatesville lost their best player last week and one of the best players in the state at CB and HB in Daquan Worley . . Thay were also playing without their Starting QB. QB may be back for the playoffs but Worley is ou for the season.
central league,
Rustin plays perkiomen valley in the first round upper darby is 14 seed not 15
@Tank… Rustin, Pennsbury, GV, NP are playing the best ball of the 16 right now. They all played great schedules!
Now it’s who can execute the best and win the turnover game. It will be a great 4 weeks of district play.
What?! No Catasauqua talk?! I would have thought the Imhotep fans would be all over the fact that Catty lost last night.
Joker1:
Do you usually make things up?
I’ve been a NP fan since I been on this site gomer! ( check w/ Jive & OL )
Yep, I said they be 5 & 5 this year ( wound up 7 & 3, not far off), but never said take 4 years to re-build.
Tank:
NP has a chance only because Worley is out.
Don’t know how Rustin didn’t get #1 seed?
But your right,I say they are on a mission.
I’d also like to wish Daquan Worley from Coatesville a speedy recovery
One seed in District 1 should go to Rustin or Garnet Valley. I thought Coatesville would have a tough game this week vs D-West regardless even with Worley. D West is small but tough. Upper Darby looks like a tough sleeper in the 1st rd. They have not lost since the beginning of the season and one of their 2 losses came from Garnet Valley by 7. It’s going to be an interesting playoff. North Penn looks to be ready just in time as usual. I think Rustin is on a mission. Who you got?
I see Buddy announces that his team is North Penn!!! (Funny how that worked out) Check out your posts from mid September Buddy… Yea… The one where you sold them for a bag of coal, said they would be .500 at best and that it would take 4 years to rebuild the program. News flash!!!! Those kids are in 6th, 7th, and 8th grade now! I’ll check back in 2018.
Raider fan said North Penn was a has-been and the Raiders were the new “Sheriff ” in town.
Oops….. Coatseville got Smacked by the only team on their schedule that made the playoffs !!!!
Should be a hell of a game next Friday between 2 good teams….
District 1 AAAA Seeds
#16 CR North @ #1 Garnet Valley
#9 Upper Dublin @ #8 Abington
#12 Spring-Ford @ #5 Downingtown West
#13 Unionville @ #4 Neshaminy
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#11 North Penn @ #6 Coatesville
#14 Perkiomen Valley @ #3 Pennsbury
#10 Plymouth-Whitemarsh @ #7 CB West
#15 Upper Darby @ #2 West Chester Rustin
i keep saying watch out for rustin in the playoffs
Wow, all of a sudden D1 looks interesting, Coatesville gets smacked, Neshaminy crushed, Rustin wins big, playoffs should be interesting with some shuffling of the standings.
Meanwhile, congrats to Fleetwood for first winning season ever (6-4). Wilson WL goes 10-0 after replacing 19 starters and now 42 straight league wins, and Berks Catholic sees first 10-0 season, there is life outside of D1 and D12.
@Pub School, all my points were simply points of comparison intended to show GV in a more realistic light. After all, you were the one telling others they knew nothing because they didn’t quite buy what you are selling. No offense intended; GV has a nice team, may do things but as of today are largely unproven.
BTW was 13th out of the likely 16 D1 playoff teams
@tsaf
Yes, IC played 7 games out of their 8 game regular season schedule. They would have had more games if not two 2A schools did not close due to a budget strap city. Also, 3 teams dropped them off their schedule from 2012. And again, no one accepted their invite to play on that bye week. But let the games began… It’s a mute point because IC does not have a bye in the 2013 playoff run nor did they have a bye in 2012.. The Thanksgiving game is what it is, a game, and by your perspective its a good point because someone can get hurt and there is no time to rest players.. So IC shouldn’t be used in your example nor should any D12 team because we play on Thanksgiving and since its a game, its no bye because they are playing. Check your Maxpreps site and see if they played their starters at last year’s Thanksgiving game; if so, your point holds no water..
@Facts
Splash? Wow, do you even realize you are responding to someone else who made that question.
That is not my question, bud. Nice try though.
Did you count IC’s games without the forfeit? It is 7, bud. Look for yourself. The 2nd game with future started the Pub playoffs. http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/imhotep-charter-panthers-%28philadelphia,pa%29/football/schedule.htm
The main issue wasn’t even about IC, it was about PIAA playoffs, don’t get so defensive.
@ Jive
I agree with you about the leagues. Why have them. I would schedule cupcakes and play independent because that would guarantee that my team would make playoffs every year with a better quality opponent staying home. Something needs to be done with having league champs as automatic entries. Or just don’t have leagues.
@steve
Agree with your comments. We will see next week who is legit and who isn’t. It happens every year.
OL Coach- good points. Why does everything have to compare to the PCL?? Really don’t care how a team in D1 would rank in the PCL. They don’t play in the PCL. #13 out of 44 teams in winning % is not that bad. Top third. Not like they are in the bottom third.
Yes. Their league has AAA teams. Strath Haven is down. Other Leagues in D1 (chesmont, pac-10, etc) also play AAA schools. Trust me, AAAA schools would rather play AAAA schools but the Leagues are geographical. You play who is on your schedule. Simple.
Lastly, didn’t LS play AA west catholic last week?? A very good AA school? And OHara early in the year? There are good AAA schools and good AA schools. Well, O’Hara isn’t that good. IMHO. LOL.
Is what it is. Not a GV fan but respect their program. They are not LaSalle and don’t have to be. They are GV and they have a good football program. That’s all I’m saying..
@Buddy, GV comes out of that powerhouse Central league.
@pubschool, since you point out that according to you others don’t know what they’re talking about, I’m sure you know the following:
4 of GVs 9 wins are against AAA programs; quite a number of AAAA squads play no AAA teams.
GVs power rating would place them 5th in PCL AAAA (5 team league)
GVs opponent win % is 13th in D1
GV may be undefeated but they are still unproven; here’s wishing them luck.
@tsaf
You asked,
“I don’t get it. I was looking at last years bracket and West Catholic beat Carrol for the PCL title. Then somehow they play Conwell-Egan in the sub-regional semi-final. How did CE earn that chance? IC played Prep Charter… the team that already lost to Del Val. Who did Prep Charter beat to get the honor of playing IC again for a shot to continue on to states? Germantown? A 3-6 team at that point?”
REMEMBER WHEN YOU POSTED THIS QUESTION? Well buddy, this is why I provided you the information concerning how Prep and CE were able to participate in the playoffs last year; due to Sandy..
FACT, Imhotep has a EIGHT regular season games (not SEVEN). Their week 4 bye was due to them being dropped by THREE teams and no other available team willing to play them.
You say the Pub and Cath league playoff and chip games don’t count? Tell that to all the teams playing this weekend.. With some, if they win they’re in; if they lose, they go home..
SpLAsH!!
@tsaf,
I completely understand what you are saying. Perhaps starting league games a week later would be an option. Problem with that is most other leagues start the same week as D12 leagues. Nobody to play cause they are now playing league games. On that note, I have no clue why there are any leagues in districts that use the point system. People can call them league games all they want, but the fact is that there is no difference between league and non-league games when it come to playoff berths. So really you don’t have a league, you have a bunch of teams that play each other every year. This point system is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Hey, we went undefeated in our league, but didn’t make the playoffs cause we lost to two teams from Florida and a team from Texas. Stupid!
Anybody on here wear flip-flops? I think one person does. Somebody has been bashing a team for 2 years on here. That team is now tearing up their district and flip-flop is now claiming that team to be “his team”. I find that to be completely………..Awesome!!!! I’ll be laughing for days, every time I go back and read his comment.
@ Pub School
??? Don’t let my PCL knowledge skew those brain cell that are still functioning brother.
That was the entire point, being seeded 1-3 in D1 doesn’t guarantee a frolic to the State semi’s. I agree with you but with several solid teams in the lower bracket, one of those teams may emerge….as it has in recent years.
CRN, Abington, DT last year come to “memory” the last several years on tops seeds that went down early(1st round). Coatesville as an 11th seed last year, see the point?? I see it more about match-ups than ‘seeds’ when it comes to D1. IMHO..
However I will leave the anatomy of District 1 to you professors in the know, I yield.
Good luck to your rooting interest..
@buddy
All of Garnet Valley’s accomplishments over the past 8 years can be found at garnetvalleyfootball.com. GV plays in the central league and beat Pennridge and Pennsbury in 2008 D1 playoffs before losing to Neshaminy 21-14. Beat Ridley and Central Bucks South in 2011 D1 playoffs before losing to Council Rock South 38-24. Went to Hershey for AAA championship game in 2007. Teams beaten on the website.
@phillyboy and Steve-
You shouldn’t talk about stuff you know nothing about. Saw GV last year. They are legit. Wish them well this year. They have a serious program. However, in D1 there are 16 teams that can play. You may not agree, but it is the truth. It is why they play it out for 4 weeks. The best team always comes out on top in fthe end It is a grind. There are some very good teams. You may not agree. In the end, it doesn’t matter what u think. The games will be played. And they will be very good games with very good teams. Good luck next weekend!
With all the PCL talk…..a little update on:
AAA – District 2 Playoffs>>>>Good old Northeast Football Coal Region Style
Berwick and Scranton Prep undefeated with Abington Heights having one lost to Scranton Prep (21-13). These 3 teams are in with the last spot going to the winner of Saturday’s Coughlin – Crestwood game. Coughlin has 2 losses (Berwick 39-7 and Valley West 56-14). Crestwood’s only lost was to Berwick (41-7). Looks like Prep and Berwick will meet in the District 2 Final, probably at Berwick. The winner has a great probability of making the Eastern Final against Wood. With both teams undefeated it will be HEARTBREAK for the loser. This will truly be the Thrill of Victory and the Agony of Defeat.
@ GV
Point taken. Unless you come out of the D1 playoffs and advance, suppose that achievement gets somewhat lost….just nature.
Wish your boys well….’as long as your interests don’t interfere with my interests’
@ gvfan
What did they do in the playoffs the past 6 years?
I’m not being sarcastic here, I don’t follow them that much & I’m genuinely curious.
Are they in the Delval league because I know they aren’t in the chesmont league.
They just might draw, in the first round, my team, which is North Penn. Never know.
@ Jive
I understand your alliance and as I said before am not trying to direct the flaws of the PIAA at just D12, they are one of the districts that benefits. I am not complaining that is the reason D12 wins the state championship. The teams are powerful as I stated before. It is a benefit though.
My question is of course, “Do you believe that a bye week in the state playoffs for any district is fair?”
The question about District 1 AAAA and District 7 AAAA is they are both equal. I will explain. District 7 starts state playoffs this week because they have a 9 game regular season. If they win the WPIAL, it will take 4 games. The 5th is the state quarterfinal with the 6th game being the Western final. The 7th game is the state championship for them. 9 reg. + 7 playoffs = 16.
District 1 plays a 10 game regular season and therefore starts a week later. 10 reg. + 6 playoffs = 16. It is fair.
You are 100% correct about District 10 and even other districts we failed to mention. I merely used D12 as an example. The PIAA needs to be reformatted or District 2,3,4,11 should all play 1 less playoff game.
@ The Philly Guy
No corrections necessary as your corrections are incorrect.
Class A for the District 1/12 begins next week with no bye week as there will be a game every week the winner moves on.
Secondly, IC did have a bye week during week 4. They did replace DV Charter with a great opponent. They are a good team (not taking that away keep in mind), just pointing out PIAA flaws.
They began playoffs last week, which means they had a 7 game regular season. They were 6-1, (7-1 if you count the forfeit) going into the 2nd game with Future. Look it up and don’t count the forfeit and the game vs Maryland as 2 separately played games. Count that as 1 because they only played 1. They do get credit for the forfeit as they should, but they did not “play” it. http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/imhotep-charter-panthers-%28philadelphia,pa%29/football/schedule.htm
I don’t disagree with you about Imhotep’s ability in winning the playoffs. My point is, the playoff’s need to be worked so everyone plays the equal amount of games.
@Facts
You are always trying to make the big “Gotcha” splash. Well, you didn’t get me. So please don’t respond, if you do, with how you “schooled me” with no facts. I am not trying to attack IC, just using them and D12 as an example of how the PIAA needs to equalize the playoffs.
I don’t know where you are going with last season and the Hurricane Sandy impacts. I am talking about this season.
Again, I mentioned Thanksgiving multiple times. Thanksgiving DOES NOT COUNT towards state playoffs. If you lose, you are not eliminated. It is a choice. There are teams that will be playing a playoff game Nov. 22/23rd, playing a T-Day game and another playoff game on Nov. 29/30th. So I don’t see why D12 needs a bye to play on T-Day when other districts don’t get a bye and still play 3 games within 8 days.
So, Without the inconsequential T-Day game, Imhotep will have actually played 13 games before the Final. Just saying.
Also, a bye is an advantage. A week to heal and not have the chance of being eliminated.
@phillyboy
I’m not making any predictions about how GV is going to do in the playoffs. I was just correcting @steve who made the comment that this was GV’s first time to the “big stage”. We’ll play the games and see how it goes.
@ Gvfan
Man, I hope you’re right. Is Garnet Valley for real or are they just ‘regular season champs’? They’re great at piling up Ws during the regular season but we’ll see what’s up in the playoffs.
Btw, hats off to the GV football web site; really cool how they live video stream all of their games. They got their act together.
@GVfan-
Great article this morning in the Philly Inquirer by OBrien on Garnet Valley. Good luck next week.
@tsaf
A couple of facts for you buddy. First of all, Prep Charter and CE was invited back into the 2012 PIAA tournament last year because they were next up on power points. District 1 was unable to field teams in the playoffs last year due to Hurricane Sandy closing their schools that whole week.
Another fact Buddy, Thanksgiving is a week late this year which gives you a perceptual ‘bye’ this year. This only happens 3 out of every 7 years whenever Nov 1st falls on a Thurs, Fri, or Sat. Due to this, some D12 teams may have bye on the weekend of the 22nd which is usually Thanksgiving week but as stated, these teams will play TWO games the following week if they make it to the sub-regionals. Imhotep did not have a bye last year but did have a bye this year due to two 2A schools closing last June. They were 14-1 last year (one week short of the state chip) and they will be 14-0 if they make it to the finals this year.
Also, the D12 playoff system started back on Labor Day weekend when the point system started. Every game counts, don’t think so; ask that powerhouse team called Ryan!! This point system puts D1 and D12 in a mini tournament.
RRMark
Catty and Imhotep will have the same adversaries but you sir, provided the IC Program tons of billboard smash-talk and insults… The Catty/IC game will be interesting if they ever met..
Once again, let the kids play… If you ever played the game you would know a bye doesn’t mean anything when you have two games to go afterwards to win the chip. But its a mute point, Imhotep doesn’t have a bye because they’re playing two games the week afterwards. I credit them for not taking byes and scheduling teams like Eastern Christian and Martin Luther King High to fill them.
@steve
How many teams have won 10 playoff games in the past 6 (not 7) years and reached the playoffs in all but one of those years? Feel free to respond as you see fit but I’m done.
No disrespect.
@tsaf77
Couple corrections for you. First D12 class A has the same arraignment for the playoffs as class AA. They play are supposed to play a sub-regional round too.
Second, Imhotep played 8 games not 7 as you said. They could have taken a bye when the league disqualified Del Val Charter and kept the forfeit win, but scheduled a tough Eastern Christian Academy team and suffered their only defeat of the season.
How much of a difference do you think that bye week meant when Pen Argyl lost to Imhotep last year 54-7? Do you think if Imhotep had played the week before they would have lost or that the game would have even been close? The better team, at the time the teams play will show up and win regardless of what happened the previous week.
Last thing on the AA playoff thing. If you don’t consider public playoff games PIAA playoff games, that’s fine. The PIAA puts them games on their brackets because the PIAA does consider them PIAA playoff games. I still don’t see how the 16 team thing would make it OK for D7 to do their own thing. D1 has 16 in the AAAA playoff and they are not afforded any different scheduling privileges.
I did make a mistake and count the forfeit for Imhotep, takes their total to 14 before a possible final. I am biased towards D12, however, the bye week thing has been going on for years as an excuse. How did the bye help LaSalle last year? It’s just old hat, time to find a new reason why D12 wins a game. I’m really not trying to be confrontational on this, but I gotta defend the home front. If you want to see a real issue on byes, check out D10. They have their PIAA bracket filled for 2 weeks from now, talk about time to get healthy.
@Jive
No sour grapes here, just pointing to fairness. I’ve made my points about PCL teams and now Imhotep. They are powerful teams and should do well in state playoffs. They do not need a week off, especially when they play and 8 or 9 game regular season. BTW Imhotep “played” 7 regular season games.
Do you believe that a bye week in the state playoffs for any district is fair?
I agree with you on the other Districts like 1. They are in a sub-regional with D12 in AA. However in class A they are aligned the same as everyone else with D1 and D12 together. So if they can align in class A, how come they can’t align in AA, AAA or AAAA?
I know the answer, and I know you do to. PCL and Public playoffs are taking priority over PIAA playoffs. That is fine, maybe that is why people had a problem with D12 entering state playoffs. Can’t have your cake and eat it too. Just saying.
The state needs to come together and tell the schools of PA that they are making a format that accounts for all leagues to be equally represented by the number of games played. But that takes time, work and making areas of the state angry they would have to adapt their league championships.
Stale…. but at least you didn’t bring up the R word…
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I know this bye week thing will be the #1 excuse as to why a team from D12 beat somebody’s alma-mater. At least wait until it happens before you start crushing the sour grapes.
@ GV
They played in the State Championship game 7 years ago, and what else??? Come on man!!!
No disrespect, hope they do well. Familiar with some of the Lax kids there, good kids.
Looks like Worley is out for coatesville. possible torn ACL. big blow to them. did it returning a punt.
Had to revisit this AA playoff issue, that tsaf brought up, cause something just didn’t seem right. How about this to blow your whole argument to smithereens. D12 public will play 6 games before the final. D12 Catholic will play 5 games before the final. D1? They will join the playoff after a few games and only play 4 games before the final. If a D1 team keeps advancing through to the final, guess who gets a bye Nov. 23rd? You guessed it, the D1 representative. Stop with the bye week mess! I know this bye week thing will be the #1 excuse as to why a team from D12 beat somebody’s alma-mater. At least wait until it happens before you start crushing the sour grapes.
@Jive
I knew you would have something to say about this matter however it is not an attack on District 12, it is more of an attack on the PIAA alignment.
You are usually very knowledgeable and practical concerning this subject however your bias obvious to District 12 shows many flaws you usually pick up on.
District 7 is a Juggernaut. However, District 7 has to have 16 teams make the playoffs because of the amount of teams in that district. It is the largest. Therefore they begin “District playoffs” a week early. If you notice, District 7 requires 6 PIAA playoff games to reach Hershey. The state title game is #7. Therefore District 7 follows the same route.
Not to harp on Imhotep, just an example, you state Imhotep will have played 6 playoff games? Where? If you are counting the 2nd game with Future and this weeks 2nd game with Prep Charter, they are not PIAA playoff games. That also means Imhotep only had a 7 game regular season.
See you are counting the forfeit against DV Charter which happened to be on the same date they played the team from Maryland. You can’t count a forfeit and replacement game on the same day as 2 separate games. It counts on the record bu not an actual played game. The forfeit would bring their regular season to 8 games.
Next point, Thanksgiving. We already have schools that play Thanksgiving Day games and a playoff game 2 days later (without a bye week) That is a moot point.
Every district follows the power points system to make the playoffs, not league records. Even District 7. Every team should have to play 5 PIAA playoff games to reach the final after November 1st. That is only fair.
I don’t get it. I was looking at last years bracket and West Catholic beat Carrol for the PCL title. Then somehow they play Conwell-Egan in the sub-regional semi-final. How did CE earn that chance? IC played Prep Charter… the team that already lost to Del Val. Who did Prep Charter beat to get the honor of playing IC again for a shot to continue on to states? Germantown? A 3-6 team at that point? I don’t get how that all works in pitting the best teams against each other to compete for a shot at states. I guess they just don’t have enough teams in D12…
@tsaf,
Regarding the AA final. In your first paragraph you say that it’s OK that D7 have a longer league playoff, because they allow 16 teams in the playoffs. Then paragraph #2 you say it’s not right that D12 has a longer playoff because of history and tradition. They should adhere to the same rules and regulations that all of the other districts adhere to. Except for D7, which it appears you are totally fine with. Maybe it’s just me, but how does that make sense? If your argument is for all to be in the same boat, then you can’t justify D7 going their own route.
Just to clear another statement up. Imhotep, if they reach the state final, will have played 15 games before the final. That is with the idle week 4, so it could have been 16, had they not been idle in week 4. To clarify another point about playoff games. Imhotep will play 6 playoff games, not 4 or 5. That’s not even looking at turkey day in the middle. You say the other teams play 5, with no turkey day? Why does Imhotep have to play 2 more games than all other teams? You’re right, PIAA needs to look into this. D12 seems to be getting the short end of the stick on this one.
@BCfootball
Yes, however the PCL first round begins while other districts are playing their final league games which gives District 12 a bye week the week of Nov. 22nd and 23rd.
I am not just focusing on District 12 as there are other major flaws in PIAA bracket. That is just an obvious flaw. No teams should have a bye week in state playoffs. It is an advantage any way you look at it.
@tsaf77
Just a correction to your PCL 4 games to reach Hershey. They have 5 playoff games before they would get ther. The same as any other district. They have PCL semi-final, PCY final, district 12 championship, than they play the winner from district 11 combination, & than the winner from district 1. That is a very tough schedule.That is 5 games to get to Hershey.
All’s fair in love, war and… District 12 football.
tsaf77… Stop looking for excuses for when D12 destroys everyone! Just let these fine kids play the game!!! lol
@Tank
I have seen Neshaminy twice. Of course Coach Schmidt is in his 19th season and Biz Keeney of Bensalem and Tennent is over this year as QB’s coach. They were young last season but mature this year. They are solid on both sides of the ball, and exceptionally so defensively. The D allowed no scores against first D for the first five games. I believe in 9 games the first D has yielded 5 TDs total. Offensively they are averaging a flat 37 points per game. RB D’andre Pollard has 1808 yards and 24 TDs; a 10.4 yards per carry average and is quick, elusive and hard to stop one-on-one. Denny Lord is a bruising FB-type backfield mate. QB Tyler Wombough is efficient, poised, and has completed 42 of 73 for 604 yards and 8 TDs. His completion average is 57.5 and he has but three picks. Coach Schmidt has taken two similar talented clubs to state finals in 2001 and 2004, so I believe this is one tough out.
@ That Guy Philly
I understand what you mean however why would the bracket even list the games between Roxborough and Prep Charter or Imhotep and Future. They are not playoff games are they? How can there be District playoffs on Oct. 25th when most other schools still have 2 regular season weeks of football left. The only schools in AA that should be playing District games this week are from District 7 due to the 16 teams that qualify.
I think schools have to drop the past or make for better planning if they want to keep their current league championship format in place because the Public and PCL championships are not adhering to the scheduling that all other schools have to follow.
Districts 1,2,4 and 11 all had to drop the Eastern Conference and accept Districts as the berth to the PIAA playoffs in the early 1990’s.
I understand the history of championship games, especially the PCL, however teams like these are getting a bye week when they only play a 9 game regular season. I understand the regular season games not reaching 10 however only 4 games gets you to Hershey isn’t fair.
I am sure any of the teams from Districts 1,2,3,4 and 11 would love the opportunity to move from districts to a bye week to the eastern semi’s but if they want to smell Hersey, they have to show 15 games played on their schedules. PIAA needs to step in and at least give fairness to all teams by having them play 5 playoff games before they reach the PIAA Championship. Otherwise lets go back to 1987 and create regional champs like New Jersey through the Eastern Conference, etc.
Keep rolling GVHS Jags!!!…
Must be a typo, cuz in the schedule on this site it has “PCL Class AA Final” vs. Prep Charter.
Oh no, I knew Imhotep plays on T-day too. Just relating Catty’s experience.
@That Guy Philly
wow that makes it even more interesting! if catty does play imhotep maybe they wont play their starters.much in the turkey day game regardless.of score to try and gain an edge. plus say one bad play could change everything one guy from either team falls the wrong way it could mean him being out for the next game. itll be very interesting to see how each coach approaches the games. if i were catty id pull my starters early hoping to have the fresher legs to pull the upset late in the 4th quarter. might not matter but could be the extra something they need. if that scenario happens itll be very exciting and interesting!
@steve
GV played in the AAA state championship game at Hershey in 2007..went to the 3rd round of the AAAA districts in 2008 and to the third round of the AAAA districts in 2011. Glad to clear that up.
I don’t see much about Neshaminy on here but from what I read on news sites they look very good, Anyone have any insight?
@GV fan, you just mentioned them. Talk up your team. Many of us know nothing about them because we haven’t seen them play.
@ches mont Chuck I think Loper and Steinmetz play just as well as Worley and Burke. I think Rustin has a better QB and passing game. Ridgeway is a playmaker for Rustin as well. Coatesville’s D is great but you cant overlook that their offense has struggled at times this year against solid Ches Mont Teams. Rustins D is pretty damn good too only giving up around 8 pts a game.Too bad they didn’t meet up during the regular season, would have been a great one. I agree that anyone can win 1-16 especially in HS football.
@ KMAC:
yep, it doesn’t get much bigger then the Pennsbury/Neshaminy game. I see pennsbury winning only due to home field.
I heard it’s possible that the winner will be #1 seed. Not sure how true that is.
Great game, they always are.
GVFan,
I guess you have not seen my recent posts referencing Garnet Valley. Thanks who you’re are talking about, right?
@ chesmont chuck
im very confident in rustin. this is the best team they have had since they won district one back in 2009. im socked through the years that rustin and coatesville have not played but hopefully will in the playoffs. Rustin should win that matchup and probably would be favored especially at home. Also dtown east was not very good rustin beat them easily so that game doesnt have anything to do with anything
GV-
Hear you. GV will make some noise this year in the Playoffs. Coatesville was an 11 seed last year and they made some noise. D1 Playoffs will be fun to watch. There are a lot of good teams this year. The quality is deeper than in some previous years IMO. Good luck!!
Just found out New Hope got extra power points from their Nativity BVM win so if my scenario breaks down like I think New Hope is #3 and Springfield is #4.
@RRMark
Not sure where you see Imhotep playing for the PCL (Catholic League) title they are playing this weekend for the PPL (Public League) title.
Also, Catty’s not the only team playing on T-day, Imhotep will be playing that day too, they are going to play MLK high school who is a neighborhood rival. I wouldn’t want you to think they had a bye two days before if they are playing you guys that weekend.
@tsaf D1 and D12 have a subregion for class A and AA. Class A is pretty simple the top 4 teams regardless of district get in. For class AA the winner of D1, the PCL Champ and PPL Champ get in, then the team with the most power point gets in and are ranked by power points. As of today the teams would be 1. Imhotep (D12), 2. West Catholic (D12), 3. Springfield-Montco(D1), 4. Neumann-Goretti (D12). However, D1 still has a week of games left in the regular season, while D12 is done. By my calculations if New Hope-Solesbury wins and all the other teams that should win that they played earlier this season then they would bump Neumann-Goretti. If Springfield loses their game (they play PW), they could wind up tied in power points with New Hope but would both have more than Neumann-Goretti.
Coming down to the final week of the season as it should.
@gvfan,
1st time to the big stage, to be expected??
I suppose most of the posters on this forum discuss/debate the teams they follow who’ve been on top for some time. Just human nature??
Top seeded D1 teams haven’t shown to be automatic once playoffs begin, we’ll see..
If Garnet Valley wins this week, they will be 10-0 and in the top 5 in the D1 AAAA rankings….yet there has been virtually no mention of them in 1300+ comments…..Interesting.
General
A big matchup this week is the Neshaminy-Pennsbury game at Falcon Field. Although win or lose, both teams should be ok for the playoffs it is a big rivalry match. Perhaps more important is the Upper Darby-Penncrest matchup as they are presently deadlocked for the last playoff position and incentive to win this one should be big. Getting back to Penns-Nesh this is of special interest to me as they are the two teams I have seen most in my life (Penns 191 times, Nesh 154 times); and I have seen them bat heads 21 times. Penns holds the overall series edge 39-32-7 (remember when ties were allowed; Ugh!). There was a supposed Neshaminy “jinx” at Falcon Field because they played there from 1968 until 1999 without gaining a win; only a 7-7 tie in 1970. The ‘Skins went 16 games; 31 years before winning there. But, dissecting the “jinx”, there were really only two of those years where the Neshaminy record came in to the game better than the Falcons. The three Falcon undefeated seasons were three of those years. A Neshaminy School strike caused a forfeit one year. The tie was a year Neshaminy had the superior record coming in. This year’s game has the makings of a “classic”. I have seen them both this year more than once; both are solid everywhere. My prediction – one of them will win! Enjoy all of the games.
@17th
I wasn’t downplaying the Prep loss, I’m downplaying Ryan the giant killer. Prep should have won that game with their JV team, very poorly played game by Prep. I know you’re a Prep guy, and I’m sure you follow the team. #7 at no point this season has become the ball pounder of the team. #1 has led the team in RB carries in every game except the first in Dallas, and Saturday against Ryan. #7 lines up at the slot receiver spot about 70% of the time.
Catty will play on T-day no matter what… well, barring a hurricane. It is Northampton’s Super Bowl. It’d be nice if they played the game on Sunday, Dec. 1 at least. Oh well…
Future is an A school but plays in the PL AA/A division. I don’t know why they have IC playing in the “PCL” Final. Is that the public charter league? Not sure what any of these would have to do with the PIAA district tourney.
Jive,
Thanks for down playing the loss for SJP but RYan deserves some applause here! They flat out beat the Prep!!!!! The freshman has become the ball pounder of this team. There was no hidden message there. Martin was not having a good day and he was replaced by the back up. The back up qb delivers a completely different game and that difference allowed the Prep to put a quick TD on the board. It also allowed them to drive right back down the field until he turned the back up qb threw a pick. A second TD would have made it interesting.
Teams have bad days but they still have to be motivated regardless of the situation. They will be fine! Lessons learned.
@ football fan
Your Rustin team is very good but watch what you wish for.Worley and Burke play at complete different level.Do not compare games Coatesville was everybody’s Super Bowl this year.9 starters back on D.Ask Dtown East you can get beat any week including Rustin and the Ville.1 thru 16 can beat anybody any week.It will be very hard for Coatesville to repeat or anybody else to win 4 tough games.But they do have the talent to make the run.They are just HIGH SCHOOL KIDS anything can happen. Good Luck to Rustin remember it is a long 4 weeks v.s. good teams.
@jive turkey. Abington or Scranton Prep might have something to say before Berwick makes the states.But i have to agree i dont think a team from d2 will win the east.
Can someone please explain how District 1/12 AA works? There are 13 total teams and it appears 8 get to go to the dance. How did Future play Imhotep? Did they play up in AA? Who do these schools play Nov. 8th/9th? District 1 which only has 3 AA schools?
Not that it matters, as Imhotep should route this whole District 1 or 12, but this is complete ridiculousness.
IF Garnet Valley wins their final regular season game, 6 of their 10 victories will have come against teams with winning records. Who else would be able to say that?
1.Unionville currently 7-2
2.Upper Darby currently 7-2
3.Penncrest currently 7-2
4.Ridley currently 6-3
5.Conestoga currently 6-3
6.Haverford Twp currently 5-3
I’m seeing posts about the travesty of Ryan not making the playoffs. Yes, Ryan beat Wood. Wood is a AAA team and has no bearing whatsoever on Ryan’s playoff chances. Yes, Ryan beat Prep. At the time of the Prep game, that game had absolutely zero playoff ramifications. Prep had the #1 seed locked, and even if Ryan won by 100, they had no chance at making the playoffs. That may be the reason Prep’s backup QB threw 17 passes in that game. That may be the reason Preps leading rusher only carried the ball 6 times in that game. That may be the reason Preps freshman running back had his most carries in a game since week 1. Ryan went 1-3 in league play, and lost to 1-3 Roman for the #4 seed. As for the giant killer thing? Ryan, over the past 5 years, is 2-20 in league play. Lets not make a mountain out of a mole hill.
How is Wood ranked in the top 10??…moreover, how can they be ranked above teams that have beaten teams they’ve lost to?
Wood has a ’90s CBW, ’00s SJP mentality, it’s throwback Big 10 football. Run between and off tackle until they stop it, the inferior teams can’t. Force them to throw, different story, the forward pass and passing schemes are horrid at best. i.e. 2nd half SJP, A.R., 2nd half McDevitt.
..of course, the problem for most teams is getting them to throw. IMHO.
@chief raider,
stop with the coatesville talk they arent even the best team in ches-mont. Rustin is a better team with better wins against common opponets. they ran over henderson whyll coatesville struggled. So watch what you say because coatesville isnt what you think they are. also coatesville should not be #1 in the big school rankings they are overrated
@ Major;
That’s a shame. Ryan, the giant killer, not in playoffs. But I’m guessing LC is, that’s Ironic.
LS/Prep again eh. same ol same ol.
@ RRMark;
If catty makes it deep into playoffs, will they still play Northampton on T-day? ala Easton/P-burg.
@ Tank:
Agree. I see Rustin as the team, especially in the Chesmont. I don’t think C’ville will get past them if they meet.
Can Garnet Valley be for real?
Some how, some way that is ludicrous; how does Archbishop Ryan beat Wood and SJP and NOT make the playoffs?
Sorry Buddy but you will have to save your joy in seeing LaSalle lose for another game. Archbishop Ryan finished 5th in the PCL AAAA division and did not make the playoffs.
@tsaf77
Thanks for the kind words. In the vein you mention I am currently on an exhaustive study of the past 25 state championships 1988 through 2012. There have been 98 teams smell Hershey as you mentioned. That is 17% of the current 579 teams listed as playing this season. I am tearing apart the championships for all kinds of statistics and comparisons. I am thinking of asking David Mika if I could run my findings as part of the 2014 thread when it starts in January to give us all something to chew on in the lien months until HSF August 2014.
It’s nice to see Archbishop Ryan showing everyone that the PCL is not only & always a 2 horse race.
Maybe they’ll get to play LS again & make it a trifecta.
If you wanna see the points race, go to pafootballnews.com and go into “computer rankings”, and thar she blows!
@ Chief Raider
Don’t worry, the bye week will help whatever D12 school moves on into the PIAA playoffs. They will be more than prepared to play the D1 school that wins.
@ Chief Raider- you have a good team!!! But here is a perspective view!!!! Your teams opponents are 35 wins to 46 losses and NO ONE you played is going to the playoffs.!!! Where a team like North Penn (say what you want ) opponents have 49 wins and 31 losses and 6 teams they played have winning records and 5 of their opponents are playoff bound. Good luck in 2 weeks!
I’m a D1 fan chief Raider but Cotesville doesn’t see the caliber of teams that St Joes prep has played this year. Not only that Coatesville may not even be the best team in the Che’s-mont. Rustin is undefeated as well and looks like Rustin played a lot better against common opponents. Raiders D is great but without Hunt and Boggs this year I doubt they make the same kind of run as last year
@D2Fan
Old Forge or Dunmore will have their chance against SCA in the playoffs. It looks like this SCA team is stronger than last years. It will make for an interesting game.
@ Kmac
You made a great point about High School Football and the focus being placed so greatly on the PIAA Championship. The majority of the 579 schools in PA do not have a chance to ever smell Hershey even with their best teams. Districts 7, 1 and now 12 have been and will be heavily represented in the PIAA Championships. It is also only a few schools in those Districts that have shown overwhelming success.
If you really look into it, District 7, with all the schools it has, has frequent repeaters. District 12 has had 2 schools in AAAA and one in AAA. It will get its second representative in AA this year with IC. It won’t have a representative in class A until a strong coach realizes they can recruit for one of their 5 class A schools. That is why SCA has dominated for so long.
D11 man…
Yup, Northampton isn’t going to roll over by any means. And I imagine it will be an adjustment for both teams playing at an unfamiliar Muhlenburg College this year. Catty will, as usual, play it safe with Burton especially on defense. Stopay too because of his knee. And if they have any kind of lead, it will be Bradley with most of the first string o-line until the game is secured. This is still a game for the seniors and pride, so I don’t see either team subbing wholesale at all. Catty has to be smart, of course. But they don’t have a whole lot of depth on the bench. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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How is the Southern Columbia game one of the games of the week…every week. I know they are talented, but they are hardly being challenged to that caliber of opponent every week. Dunmore and Old Forge are both better
@RRMark
that is a good point my nephew plays for northampton who plays catty on thanksgiving and they have yet to win a game in thr lvc they do have some talent and like you said they will have nothing to lose. do you think if its a somewhat close game at say halftime catty will pull their starters in preparation for their game 2 days later? or will they play it out risking fatigue and injury of their big time players?
well well well looks like we found out at St Joes is not who we thought they were.
Once again you will RESPECT the Coatesville Red Raiders. Undefeated and unbeaten.
personally, I’d like to see ya’ll move these conversations to the forum located here: found in the “extras” column in the upper right corner of this site….would be able to follow the separate conversations better…
*****UPSET ALERT******
Archbishop Ryan up 21-7 in 3rd QTR over #1 Ranked St Joes Prep
Just to get that far would be a nice feat for Catty whose best chance at a run in states was the Jon Linton era of the early 90’s. They have a Thanksgiving day game also against a AAAA team that will have nothing to lose and looking for revenge for last year’s series record lopsided defeat. But we’ll see if IC gets that far also… wink.
@Jive
Glad to be of assistance. I know the spinning feeling; notice my post of Oct 24th was 3:13 am. Incidently, in the district-balancing act in addition to D3 playing for the west in 4A and 3A; there is further counterbalance by the D6 and D9 3A teams playing in the east bracket. I think there are only 6 teams or so there. Additionally, in the 1A bracket, D6 swings about 23 teams to the eastern bracket for playoffs. Only 2A, fairly balanced, is without swinging districts.
@dawg, again, just add something constructive, it makes things better. Complaining about what others. Share doesn’t.
Well, AAA Pottsgrove answered the call & beat Perkiomen Valley 23-12…and it wasn’t as close as the score might indicate as PG rushed for ~360 yards…and over 400 yards in total. To PV’s credit they denied PG twice inside the 10. Plus, PV’s last TD was scored <10 seconds left in the game. They've had a great season so far beating their biggest PAC-10 rivals (AAAA Spring-Ford & AAAA Perk Valley) ON THE ROAD. If they beat Boyertown next week, 6 of their 10 wins will have been against AAAA competition (4 of those with winning records). If they can win D1 AAA perhaps they'll give Archbishop Wood a game after all.
Hey O L Coach. Complain you got to be kidding. Read what was written. You need to expand your knowledge on High School Football in the State. Rather than be tunnel visioned in around the Big Philly and Burbs. There is more out there if you want to take the time to search and read the various newspaper sports columns on the internet. If complaining is your issue you better start to read some of many comments made thus far. I don’t complain I simply state the truth and that’s all that I can say.
@Kmac
I didn’t realize D3 played on the western side of the bracket. Talk about some tough playoff games! That’s what it’s all about though. No offense to the Berwick guys, but I really don’t give them a snowballs chance against Wood. I really thought the AAA champ would either be McDevitt or come from the west. Does having all of them tough teams in the west give Wood any kind of advantage? Whoever comes out of the west will have played 2, maybe 3, very hard battles before they even step foot in Hershey, where Wood looks to cruise right on in. Thanks for the info Kmac, but you got my mind spinning scenarios at 1:00am on this.
I remember a few weeks ago when Imhotep put up 83 on Future. I was quite critical of their coach, especially since they still threw 2 TD’s after being up 45-6. I was told by their usual defenders that there was nothing coach Crosby could do about it. Well tonight Imhotep played Future again, was up 49-0 at half, and guess what? 55-0 Final. Kudos to coach Crosby for doing the right thing! Sometimes the best of coaches can learn something, and I think in game one against Future coach Crosby did. I will give praise towards somebody just as fast as I’ll knock them. Tonight coach Crosby deserves that praise. Now let’s get that AA championship trophy home to Philly.
North Penn still undefeated in D1. CBW gave them quite a struggle, but NP held them off handing them only their second loss of the season. NP managed to cover the 35 point spread by winning 50-14. Next week Souderton. Wouldn’t it be wild if NP goes undefeated in D1 after, as buddy said, they are really down this year and gonna take a few years to rebuild?
imhotep will beat catty by 20, but it would be by 40 if they didnt have to play King two days before they play catty that thanksgiving weekend.
Pottsgrove is very good. Very well coached and tough kids. WC Henderson is the only team that has a shot of beating them in D1. They are one dimensional on O but what they do, they do very well. Teams will struggle to score on them. Their D is very very good. Helmets to the ball stuff…
That said… They are in for a battle tonight vs. Perk Valley. PGrove is the class of AAA at this point in D1. The outcome tonight does not change that.
MPhillips, we’ll see tonite about Pottsgrove. There are 44 AAAA teams in D1. Spring-Ford is is the 11th rated AAAA team (as far as playoff points) in D1 and AAA Pottsgrove beat them. Spring-Ford already beat Perk Valley this year.
Tonite Pottsgrove faces Perk Valley which is the 9th ranked AAAA team in D1. PV is a tall order because they are home, have lots of talent and are motivated by revenge having lost to Pottsgrove last year in the last 2 minutes.
Next week they have Boyertown (23rd). So, if they are fortunate enough to with these last 2 games, 4 of their 10 wins will be against teams with winning records (Spring-Ford, Perk Valley, Methacton and Boyertown…all AAAA teams).
That would compare favorably with Berwick who is ranked higher than Pottsgrove.
@ Boxer
The Barons are also known for wrestling prowess.
Fantastic program there.
@Jive
The Manheim-Bishop McDevitt-Jefferson-Mifflin mix will all be in the “West” bracket as District 3 plays west in both 4A and 3A. A lot of fans are thinking a Wood-Berwick Eastern final against one of the first four listed at Hershey. Whoever wins the East will only get one of those four if one of them wins the “west”.
@Dawg93, if you have an issue with what people discuss here, why don’t you discuss what you know rather than just complain.
People post about what they know, or we hope they do, not everyone knows everything about every state district as you do.
So please stop complaining and bring something to the table.
@RRMark
i agree with you and i see catty playing imhotep. unfortunately they probably are a little overmatched by them. but i dont forsee any team beating them besides possibly palasides because they run the ball well but even that is a long shot. who knows maybe catty will.pull.the upset on imhotep and make it to hershey? anyway it’ll be exciting to watch.
TPG…
I usually tell people to think of another town named for a Lenape Indian word… Conshohocken. Similarly, Cat-a-saw-kwuh… with the accent on the third syllable. But most up here in the Valley just shorten it to “Catty”.
Pen Argyl is a more versatile team this year on offense but were stricken by injuries early on. But they have since gotten healthy and it shows. They again have decent size up front averaging 250 or 260 with good mobility. They’ve gone to a more wide open offense this year vs. the one dimensional single wing power offense they ran almost exclusively last year. And they have the skill players to do it pretty successfully in Hunt, Oyer, DePaolo and Lobb. So they can beat teams more ways this year vs. last. They will probably make noise again in districts setting up (they hope) a rematch with Catty for whom they feel they have the magic potion in big games.
Catty is pretty much the same team as last year with mostly returning starters on both sides of the ball. They are a smaller team up front and rely on quickness on defense and getting the ball out quickly on offense. They run a hurry up/spread offense with a single back ala Chip Kelly. But Bradley seldom runs. I’d say their offensive skill players rank well with the best in the state with “triplets” of QB Bradley, all-state WR Paryss Marshall, son of Connecticut basketball star Donyell Marshall and RB Ra’von Burton who can run over you or by you. But they are again deep at RB and WR with several capable players complimenting the big 3. They want to get teams in a track meet and score quickly. Bradley is uncannily accurate on deep fades in the corner of the end zone where WR’s Marshall or Houser can go up and get it over shorter DB’s. But they can also grind it out with Burton who is really something to watch. Most agree the way to beat them is to control the ball and wear down their undersized defensive line. Then stack the box to shut down Burton and hope their vertical passing game is mis-firing enough of the time. That is how Pen Argyl beat them with a good first half in last year’s dist. champ game.
My heart wants to see how my alma mater stacks up in states. But my brain tells me it is gonna be a tough go for them to hang with an Imhotep’s big-time size and speed combo up front… especially having several guys going both ways. But it would be fun to watch ’em try. A long way to go til then…
That Philly Guy says he wants to hear about other programs in the State. What’s the point!!! All this blog does is generate gossip about the Philadelphia and Suburban Schools which does not represent the entire Eastern part of the State. Beyond the Philadelphia area and it’s Suburbs there is great winning championship programs unfortunately they don’t get the press here for their successes. Gentlemen let’s wait until the last league (s) game and District Power Points for playoff before striking out the chime.
OK Boxer13, let’s talk about some other teams. Let’s talk Hershey.
AAAA- St Joes Prep should end up playing Pittsburg Central Catholic or Upper St Clair.
AAA- Archbishop Wood will have a tough time beating McDevitt (if McDevitt can get past them Manheim Central Barons). Winner of East should match up against Thomas Jefferson or West Mifflin. TJ & WM play this Saturday.
AA- Imhotep will end up playing Aliquippa. I can’t wait for this game, gonna be a hell of a battle.
A- I don’t know if they are having a single A game this year because district 12 does not compete in the little guys conference.
We are from district 3 the Lebanon-Lancaster area. We are only a AAA school but always a power house when it comes to football. 2 weeks ago we won our 500TH win with coach MIKE WILLIAMS. And if you look at the big school rankings on the home page of this site we are #5 and 8-0 as of now. But I can say one thing I know this MANHEIM CENTRAL TEAM could beat most of these AAAA teams that I have seen this year. I am a COATESVILLE grad from ’96’ and played for them and want to wish them luck in the playoffs, because there are some really good teams this year .. thanks football fans ..
General
I see a lot of posts recently about “this league” being no good, or “this district” being lousy, or this or that team playing nobody, or playing pro teams (NOT). Have we all let the state championship thing make us forget this is HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL we are talking about? The best level of football in my opinion; and we are all entitled to one. It’s the most pure of the three levels at least. It is young men (and a few young women here and there). Most leagues have been established for years and are what they are. We all know of strong football schools and weak football schools. Only 4 teams will be champions out of 579 (officially) football playing schools. That is seven-tenths of one percent of the schools. Are there not a lot of other “good’ teams winning league championships; winning a playoff game or two; winning a district title; being runner-up in the East, or West; making it to Hershey for Silver? How about struggling schools that turn a corner and go 6-4 this season? Isn’t there lots of good high school football to watch, even between teams that are not going to have an extended season? My only point of all this is let’s try to be more positive, less negative; and enjoy HSF.
How good is pottsgrove? I see they are 8-0 but they haven’t really played anyone who was half decent. The only team that had a winning record they only won by 7. This week will be the second.
Thanks
Ok, RRMark, I know we have not agreed on most of your posts but I like this one, so …that said, and knowing I’m an Imhotep fan how do Catasauqua (I admit I can’t pronounce it) and Pen Argyl compare to the Pen Argyl team from last year? The winner of that match up would likely have to come down to Philly to face the winner of the D1/D12 subregional.
D11 No prep or charter schools up here.
AAAA… LVC is the class of the district, if you will. Huge game Easton v Whitehall this week. Top teams all have 1 loss and question marks. Look for a big Easton v Parkland showdown for the d championship.
East Stroudsburg South? Meh…
AAA… Has no true standout team(s). Bethlehem Catholic v Southern Lehigh will be interesting but I think Becahi has a big edge having made a decent showing in the tougher big school LVC.
AA… Catasauqua way ahead of the pack but their coach will admit they haven’t been tested all 4 quarters yet. But looks like they have their championship aspirations in their own hands. Will most likely come down to another final tilt with a healthier and surging Pen Argyl.
A… Tri Valley? Williams Valley? Take WV since they beat TV already as well as giving undefeated Pine Grove (AA) a tough go.
Looking down the road at states… Not much confidence in anyone from D11 advancing further than the quarter finals.
@Boxer13
I would love to hear from others around the state but they don’t post. People are talking about and posting from the districts they follow. How about an update on the top teams in each classification from your part of the state.
@Ray WVW has a nice team this year but who did they play 2 td lost to Berwick and yes avg 42 points but against who? D2 is not that strong this year would love for WVW to make some noise in the playoffs but not to sure it going to happen.
@ Boxer:
Who are the Manheim Barons?
@Jive
Thank you for that most lucid and complete discussion on your post of 10/23 – 1:53 PM. I enjoy all of the discussion very much on this site and posts. I have almost always lived in District One and so it is my focus, but I have no problem celebrating the success of other districts, other leagues (I of course follow Suburban One), and other teams. If I can help you with a D1 question I will be glad to do so; but my other focus is mainly on the history of the sport and seeing current year games. Thanks again, and keep posting. Incidently, I depend on the Ted Silary site for my D12 info also, and I had the pleasure of meeting Ted recently at a Wood game at Tennent.
Just asking a ? here. Why is everybody on here always talking about NORTH PENN. Come on guys there’s plenty on teams to talk about besides NORTH PENN. They are a very good school and also good at football. Its the same thing about SJP and LASALLE, you people think they are the best teams ever and can beat every team in the state. How about sometime we give some credit to some other teams on here that are doing good or being coached well or got some big kids and are going to a big school. There is a lot more to talk about in high school football then these 3 teams. Just throwing that out there, I like reading about football and like hearing whats going on but tired of the same TALK … Thanks football fans .. and only 2 weeks till playoffs so we will see what happens. LETS GO MANHEIM CENTRAL BARONS .
Holy smokes Ray! That comment holds the record for longest run-on sentence this year. I think you had some good points in there, but a very tough read. Gotta get my eyes to adjust back from all of them caps. No more red bull, no more caffeine tonight. I’m actually pretty disappointed. Looking at all of the info and stats, I’m sure there is some good stuff there. I just can’t make heads or tails of it.
@ Buddy
Yeah, I hope NP schedules some other teams next year at the beginning of the season. Originally I thought it was great but it’s starting to get old. It’s the same old same old, an opening day thumping to LaSalle. NP keeps it fairly close in the first half, then LaSalle comes out in the second half and starts to surge, winning by 2 to 3 TDs. Like I said before, maybe LaSalle might want to look for a different opening game on their end too.
@ O L Coach
Right you are; never thought of that factor. But this year as it stands, 180 points shows the big difference in the award of points for teams you lose to; compared to getting no points for a loss. In reality, D1 awards 10 points for playing the game, because the loser does get the winner’s 10. Thanks for the input on a facet I neglected.
@Kmac
The probably 0-8 thing was a jab at another commenter on here. There is a kid on here who’s favorite uncle, grandpa, or maybe dad might be the D1 commissioner. He is also not a fan of NP. The 3 games they play to open their season were brought up and he said the 3 losses did nothing to help them with their current success, it was too devastating to take anything positive out of it. NP is really down this year, they started this year with mostly all new players with no experience. I questioned the young man, with a bit of satire thrown in, how they could possibly have won their next 5 games after that? Just getting under the kids skin.
If NP played in D12, I think they would be undefeated in league play. Being a public AAAA school, the 3 games to open the season wouldn’t count in league play. They wouldn’t play Judge (CL), Imhotep (AA), or West (AA CL) in games that count. I really have limited knowledge on district 1. I try to find out everything I can, but there is no site like Silary for D1. We in D12 know NP a little better than other teams out there because they take on our top tier to open their season. So in summation, I think NP would have the same exact record in D12, right now, that they do in D1. It’s just fun messing with the kid.
@Kmac, NP wouldn’t lose 180 points because they would pick up points from the opponents they played in lieu of the 3 PCL squads.
@JiveTurkey
Interesting comments on North Penn and District One. On the “probably would be 0-8” thing. Say NP was playing 8 D12 schools, and give them the 3 losses they did have. I can easily see Judge and Imhotep, the 2A school with 4A numbers, size, coaching, and athletes, as two more losses. But who else in D12 would beat them? Roman? They have a D1 loss to D’Town East (4-4). Frankford has two losses to D1 opponents. Washington lost to 3A W C Henderson. West Catholic? I saw them at Wood, and there was no comparison that day against 3A, less 4A? Not arguing the logic or comment, but see what I am getting at?
@Pub School
After rereading my post on the point system, I realize it came off kinda harsh. That was not my intention at all, all for that I apologize. I never knew about a point system until last basketball season. Usually Neumann is the top dog in the Catholic League, Prep, Roman, and another team from here or there will give them a bit of a run. Neumann is AAA. So Roman finishes their league schedule 12-1, only loss to Neumann. Prep finishes 11-2, losses to Neumann and Roman. Playoff time! Roman vs Prep in the CL semis down at the Palestra. Prep wins, then goes on to lose again to Neumann. So Neumann plays Imhotep for the D12 AAA one seed and Prep plays King for the AAAA one seed, right? Nope, Roman gets to play for the AAAA one seed because Prep lost to Neumann in finals, and the points system changed final standings with the loss. In essence the playoff game meant nothing. That’s why I don’t like anything about the points system. If a team goes 2-12, sneaks into the playoffs somehow, and wins the league title do you say give us our trophy back because that team over there has more schedule points?
I hate to keep kicking the same horse, but North Penn is gonna be 5-2, at worst, in league play. Will a team with a worse league record get in over them? If that happens to be the case, why have a league in the first place?
@ Jive
They ( NP) AREN’T playing in a weak district, they are playing in a weak conference within that district. Next year they re-align, they then will be playing the likes of Neshaminy, Pennsbury etc., far from weak schools.
@ O L
I doubt that NP will change their non-league schedule next year or the following. I believe Beck wants that schedule, albeit embarrassing sometimes.
@Jive
Good points concerning D12 playoffs. Other divisions should take the same approach. There was a situation 2 years ago where in D11 Allentown CC almost missed the playoffs because of a difficult AAAA schedule and they made it all the way to face Wood in the Eastern final.
Yo Jive-
Not my point system in PPL or PCL. They shouldn’t publish points if they don’t mean anything and they dont use them. I was just asking cause I was curious. Now I know why they don’t use them. It is obvious bro. It is now clear to me. Thanks for the education.
Due to league realignment next season where the large SOL schools will be scheduling eachother and increasing the difficulty of their schedules, it is doubtful that NP can continue to schedule the level of NL competition they are known for.
@17th
I agree with Buddy (shocker). North Penn is not very good this year, and them 3 losses proved what they are. If they weren’t fortunate enough to be playing in D1, they would probably be 0-8. Really a down year, like Buddy said, but they are undefeated in D1. No experience on their team and they got demolished by them 3 D12 opponents. I’m sure they just packed it in and gave up. Just lucky to be playing in such a weak district that they are undefeated in district play. Beck had to start with all new players this year, like Buddy said, but did I mention that they are undefeated in D1?
@ 17th & G
Yes, Beck will keep the same killer schedule he has now if allowed.
I don’t really think those first 3 loses contribute very much to his current success. They were a bit too devastating.
NP is really down this year. Most of the experience players from last year graduated.
He had to start with mostly all new players. They’ll be back, will take a couple of years I suspect.
@ 17th & G and others
I agree with your closing statement about NP’s schedule. They have 180 more points due to the wins of LaSalle, St. Joe’s and Wood. That’s like beating a 4A opponent with 8 wins. The Knights are in the playoffs now at 880 points currently in 14th spot. Take away the 180 points and their 700 would have them at the bottom of the list in 27th place. What a difference awarding all of the winning team’s points for a loss has made.
@pub school, D12 doesn’t use points, not sure why this site even publishes them.
I have more respect for Beck and the NP program then most of the other non-catholic programs out there! I would love to see NP’s success rate in week 4 after they go through the 3 out of conference games to start the season. I don’t know the success failure rate but my guess would be that it is overwhelmingly a success.
I don’t know what happened this year with the 3 loss start but I am under the impression the Knights were inexperienced this preseason. My question is, would Beck attribute some of his present success to those three September losses. Another question, if the PIAA keeps the present point system in place, does Beck keep his present schedule? My thoughts are yes!
@phillyboy
You’re right. Not sure how beneficial it is getting creamed the first 3 games of the season for North Penn helps. These kids confidence is got to be shattered after that.
OL coach
NP GOT to win out ( 2 games left). Problem is this week at CB West. Can’t count on it yet.
Thanks Jive. Makes sense now.
@pub school, please don’t ask me to explain anything PPL related. I can only assume coleman and D12 agreed to give the top 2 finishers in their big school group a week off maybe to extend the PPL season another week, who knows. It is the PPL.
Neither the Catholic nor public leagues in Philadelphia use a point system. Divisions are based on past success. The Gold division has 4 teams make the playoffs, and the silver 2. First two in gold get a bye and 1S vs 4G, 2S vs 3G. Let’s take a look at your point system. Ryan, who hasn’t won a league game and will not make the playoffs, is ahead of Roman and Judge. Roman and Judge both beat Ryan. Southern plays in the Silver (Joke) division, 3rd in AAAA D12? That is why D12 doesn’t use the ranking system, it’s not too accurate. Is head to head an easier way to decide which team is better, or should we say a team like Ryan, who played 4 terrible teams to start their season and pad their record, deserves a playoff spot with zero league wins?
Agree that NP deserves respect for the tough opening schedule, as long as they are somewhat competitive. If they keep getting creamed 49-3 and all, maybe they should consider pulling a “Ridley” and take it steady. Otherwise, it’s not the best thing for a team’s confidence to start out each year with 3 blowout losses. Maybe it’s not a trend, maybe it’s just a down cycle for NP. At any rate, maybe LaSalle, SJP and Wood could schedule other top D1 or D11 opponents that are perceived to have a promising upcoming year.
OL Coach-
Here are the Rankings…..
piaa_class avgpts school district wins losses ties avgpts_scored avgpts_given totalpoints
AAAA 124.29 St. Joseph’s Prep 12 6 1 0 32.71 22 870
AAAA 101.25 La Salle College HS 12 6 2 0 27.63 19.63 810
AAAA 87.5 South Philadelphia 12 6 2 0 21.5 17.75 700
AAAA 77.5 Frankford 12 5 3 0 23.13 19.5 620
AAAA 76.25 Archbishop Ryan 12 5 3 0 31.88 16 610
AAAA 72.5 Father Judge 12 5 3 0 26.63 14.38 580
AAAA 62.5 Lincoln 12 4 4 0 15.75 18.38 500
AAAA 60 George Washington 12 4 4 0 22.38 21.25 480
AAAA 51.25 Mastbaum 12 4 4 0 11.75 17.25 410
OL Coach-
You have to help me with this one. How can Frankford and GW get “byes” in the Public AAAA Playoffs, when Southern is 6-2 and leading both teams in points??? I just dont get it… In the end, it doesn’t matter cause the winner of Pub AAAA will lose to the PCL Champ. This does not make any sense to me. Please educate me!!
From the Philly Inquirer below….
Public League playoffs. Here is the tentative schedule for the Public League Class AAAA and AA playoffs this weekend.
In Class AAAA, Frankford and George Washington, the top finishers in the Gold Division, were awarded first-round byes.
Class AAAA First Round
FRIDAY
Samuel Fels (Gold 4) at Southern (South 1), 6:30 p.m.
Lincoln (South 2) at Northeast (Gold 3), 6:30 p.m.
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/high_school/20131021_Golden_a_key_part_of_Ryan_s_big_upset.html#Opim3Fcy37rqp6MF.99
NP better not see RUSTIN in the first round. If they do beck can count all the bonus points he wants as their offseason will be starting. Rustin all about that smash mouth football run it down their throats all night
OL Coach-
Trust me. I know all about Bonus points in D1. I should not have made the statement about 3 losses. I was referring to Pennridge not NP. If you play a great schedue, you dont get “penalized”.. It is the way it should be. Play the BEST. Yeah.. He has picked up at least 200 points with losses against the PCL.. So far! I wasnt thinking about NP at the time. My bad!! I agree..
@Pub School, you need to think bonus points, bonus points, bonus points!
Do you know how many points Beck has picked up by playing those 3 PCL teams? Go count their win totals.
Far better to lose to those 3 than to go pound Fels or Central.
I love that Coach Beck always seems to start out slow and still makes the playoffs. He’s just about the only D1 coach with the guts to play the punishing opening schedule that he does. Most of the rest are busy begging Fels, Central, Frankford to play them for those easy wins!
Here’s hoping Beck pulls it off again this year; I already have them in.
@Buddy, relax, NP is in, count on it!
NP has the toughest, by far, ” non-league” schedule in D1. You gotta play the best to be the best ( so they say), even if you get creamed ( and they sure did).
Re-alignment next year will have NP playing the big boys again ( Neshaminy, Pennsbury, Abington etc), besides the REAL big -boys in the beginning of the year ( LS, Prep etc).Will be even tougher next season.
@Jive
I am in complete agreement with on what you said about North Penn. I went to see Upper Dublin and Springfield (Montco) play last week and can tell you that compared to the North Penn team that I saw play La Salle and Wood, Upper Dublin wouldn’t even be close. NP deserves major credit for scheduling tough opponents.
I said before that I don’t know a whole heck of a lot about D1. However, Neshaminy is right at the top, from what I hear. Which notable team have they played? North Penn can only play their schedule, can’t blame them for that. I give NP respect because of the 3 games they play before they get to their D1 schedule. They know it won’t be easy. They know that losing to these teams will hurt their playoff chances. They know after week 3 if they will have a chance to compete in states. Can’t say that for any other team in D1. Say they didn’t play anybody of note in D1, you’re probably right. Say they don’t have a shot if they make the playoffs, you’re probably right. I say they didn’t eat cupcakes for the first 3 weeks, we all know that’s right.
….It’s Knight time again!!!
Oh Brother….don’t know if my heart can stand it. Someone call JeffCare.
@ Pub
Agreed, NP hasn’t really played anyone of note in D1. Can’t compare PCL wins against them.
You’re right, Pennridge probably won’t make it.
However, teams with 3 loses can & will.
If NP wins out ( big if), they make playoffs with 3 loses. Won’t go nowhere, but they’ll be at the dance.
The blow out of Carbondale by Old Forge,i think shows how weak most of the teams are in D2 this year.Below AAA it Dunmore and Old Forge i dont see another team that could compete out side the Distict.Even in AAA you have Abington ,Berwick and Scranton Prep,beside the Prep an Abington game and Berwick played a very solid Wyoming Valley West team who have they played the rest of D2 is very week this year
people need to stop with the cville talk. they arent even the best team in chester county, Rustin claims that this year. Rustin is #1 in D1 AAAA will get home field through out districts. coatesville doesnt want to see them in the playoffs. Rustin has the BEST running back in D1 and one of the best defenses and one of the great coaches. Rustin brings that smash mouth football and most teams going to find that out after they take it to the chin. watch out coatesville and neshaminy RUSTIN is coming. WHO DEY THINK THEY GONNA BEAT THEM KNIGHTS? NO ONE
Nice to see GVHS Jags crack the the top 10!!!….Go Jags!!..keep it goin guys!!
Yo Jive-
None of the 5 teams that NP beat will be in the D1 Playoffs. NP’s only good win was against Pennridge and they prob won’t make the Playoffs this year. Nobody makes D1 playoffs with 3 losses. Will bet u a cheesesteak on Pennridge getting in. Agree PCL AAAA is very good, but NP hasn’t played anybody good in D1. Can’t compare apples to oranges.
…..and there it was.
……….so juvenille
@ Mika
when are you posting the latest playoff points rankings? You know………….you’re not allowed to take the weekend off! 🙂
@ Ron
Not to mention Bishop Mcdevitt……….
Well, Wood is proving to be human. Previous posters were correct about the chinks in their armor. (Although both of their losses are to 4A teams.) Don’t count out the District 1 entry which may be Pottsgrove. They have an very good line, a decent QB and just gobs of speed. Their achilles heel is depth.
Still, it will be a tall order to get by Wood. It looks like the D1-D12 game will be at Northeast High (Martin Stadium)in D12 this year…30 mins from Wood, 60 minutes from Pottsgrove…a long time on a bus. Good thing is Martin turf which is good for a speed team.
If Pottsgrove does the unlikely, they will give whoever the D2/D11 entry is all they can handle.
@Ron
I think it shows how powerful the Catholic AAAA is. Wood is gonna give the AAA state title a heck of a run. Look at them North Penn Knights to see how good the Catholic League is. NP is 5-0 in D1, got murdered by the Catholic League.
@rrmark
My response to your upset pick was, oh my bad, I didn’t realize who Tep was playing this week. I know Buddy is illiterate but where did I throw hate in my comment?
@quiteone
If you are basing your opinion on how both played LaSalle, I’m very confused. Tep struggled with LaSalle and Prep dominated them. Prep went prevent the whole 2nd half against LaSalle and that was the only reason they moved the ball. Doesn’t translate to Tep dominating Prep at all. I guess your glasses see things much different than everybody else.
And the hoagie thing is a joke. I don’t really want any team to get sick…. hmmm, or do I?…Nahhh
@Boxer13, go to PFN (PA Football News) site, they have the computer rankings for the state, and for each district, use the PIAA formula, but not official.
My two cents on the bye weeks, my feeling is if you don’t play the same number of games as everyone else, you don’t belong there. Not playing the same number of games is that many less chances to lose and affect your ranking. You want to play on Thanksgiving, do it like Easton does.
Well, looks like it was AW that ate the bad hoagies. I would have rooted for Ryan too. Guess that means I am hatin’ on em cuz I am a big, mean hater.
@ OL Coach
That’s an interesting counter point. Well, if that be the case, if the bye is considered a disadvantage then by all means the PCL should do something about it. Like I said, I think the best solution is for the PCL to have their bye after the last regular season game, then they can rock and roll with the playoffs and be synchronized with the other districts.
Archbishop Ryan beating Arch Wood 22-7 was shocking. Ryan was 4-3 and lost last 3 games. could mean Wood will have their hands full with either Berwick or Scranton Prep if they meet in aaa east final.
Does anyone know where I can get the ranking for the playoffs if they started this week and what teams are in it. looking for info on [ AAAA and AAA ] Teams Thanks football fans…..
@ PCL AAAA Guy
You make good points about the importance of Thanksgiving Day games. That should however not trump the PIAA State Playoffs. Easton plays P-burg every year, and when they make the state playoffs, they play their Thanksgiving Day game and a playoff game 2 days later. So, this should not be an issue. Some of the schools in D12 and other districts don’t always play on Thanksgiving. All schools in the PIAA should have to play the same amount of games to reach the final, it is that simple and fair.
The point made about having a bye week and coaches upset about that is a farce. Any team would take a bye week in the state playoffs. No chance of injury or more importantly, having the chance to be eliminated. As long as you play a game, you can be eliminated. You can’t be eliminated with a bye week. It is not fair, just saying. Every team in the state championships should have a record that equals 15 games being played previously. Not 14 or for some schools, 13 or 12.
@ RRMark;
Well said.
Jive & O L need to take note for sure.
Of course, I’ll get a condescending post about this post now:)
Chill, you silly philly phillies… Somebody asked for any upset picks and I threw that out there for fun. It’s always fun to root for an underdog. Who knows, maybe hotep prep will all eat some bad hoagies and get food poisoning, lol. But such hate on me by “grown men” who get so upset over somebody picking against their team. Silly
@ jive All though sjp and tep played a scrimmage game and the results are mmeaningless.I think Tep by a touch down over sjp. I watch both teams play Lasalle and tep would dominate sjp. Thats just my thought on the matter any giving Saturday
Coatesville barely beat wc Henderson last night. I can’t tell if they are just on cruise control, or their offense just isn’t anywhere close to last year. I’m thinking it has more to do with the ladder. They lost some big pieces last year though their defense is still great. Henderson is not a bad team at all though and have always played Coatesville tough. Is Coatesville the best team in the Che’s-mont? I can’t say that for sure. WC Rustin and Downingtown West are looking real good right now and the ville has put up two subpar efforts against Downingtown East and WC Henderson.
WC Rustin handled Unionville rather easily last night. I thought it would be a closer game. Unionville is big and they probably have the best QB that most people don’t know about, but they just didnt have the athletes to hold up. Rustin’s defense is highly underrated. The playoffs are going to be interesting. Unionville’s only 2 losses are to Garnet Valley and Rustin. They have 2 tough games left but if they get in the playoffs they will not be an easy out.
Chesmont schools no longer have the Thanksgiving day games and it was tradition as well. Cut the bye , even the playing field
OL
Do you ever read your posts before you hit “submit”?
I’m guessing you don’t.
D12 either needs to get rid of the Thanksgiving day games or play that Saturday in the playoffs it’s that simple. They cannot continue to get a bye. The argument is awful “we start our playoffs a week earlier” BS, start them in week 11 and play 16 weeks 10 reg season and 6 playoff to win a state title. Not the crap they get away with.
Good luck to all the teams playing this weekend. Hopefully the games are compititive and no one gets injured. Got to love high school football.
A lot of these D12 Thanksgiving games are deeply steeped in tradition. Not to mention they are money makers for the schools involved. Most people may not attend a regular season or post season game but they show up every morning on Thanksgiving supporting their school. Just to do way with these games is unacceptable. Proceeds from Judge/Lincoln go to fund veterans and the local memorial of the Vietnam war. I’m sure there are other causes that benefit from the many D12 games played on Thanksgiving.
@Chuckie Chest Thumper; relax first and read your own post man.
Gateway for years has been loaded with D1 college recruits (far more than Cville)and they’ve never sniffed Hershey recently! You don’t win state championships on paper and you don’t win them on college recruiting message boards.
Somebody’s father played at Temple or in the NFL? Really? Who cares, that doesn’t win championships either. I have to admit, the part mentioning the NFL, Prep and LaSalle really didn’t translate to English all that well.
You have such a great return game that nobody will kick to your returner? Just ponder that a minute; ok, what good is any return game if it can just be taken out of the game by any half decent coach? If nobody kicks to the kid now, do you think they’ll suddenly think it’s a great idea to kick to him in the playoffs?
It’s clear you really haven’t seen anyone THIS YEAR other than who Cville has played; yet, you know everything about all these other teams. Interesting.
Like I said, Cville is a difficult team for anyone outside of Cville to root for thanks to their fans.
Enjoy your weekend also!
If D12 is in the eastern final, they will host the championship game; it will not be at Villanova nor Lincoln Financial.
Do we have to deal with this every, single year?
Phillyboy, speak to any coach whose team is playing well which we can assume all playoff teams are. Not one of them will tell you they want a week off at that point in the schedule; it’s actually quite a disadvantage.
@That Guy Philly
Ah, that’s my bad, didn’t even realize who they play this week. I’m pretty sure ???? was referring to St Joe’s though because this will be their first meeting with Prep Charter.
Roman vs LaSalle tonight, anybody have a guess? I’m gonna go with 20-7 LaSalle.
@ O L
Anybody can beat anybody on any day.On paper they returned Both corners are D1. Jr. S has 10 D1 offers other S is D1aa, Lb is D1,other 3 Lb are D1aa,Nose was 1st team all state last year,and is a all state wrestler.On O they Avg. 6’3 285 upfront.T is rated top 15 and G is top 8 in state. two TE 6’4 240 both are great athletes. aall state RB 2solid WR. just a questionable soph. QB who is young but is a good athlete his father played at Temple And the NFL.was at Prep and La Salle not as good as the ville BUT can beat them on any given day.Have not seen Pennsbury what I have heard are pretty good and Nes.Ville beat them pretty good last year.they are alittle small, De is overrated. The BIG difference then last year team The return game Nobody will kick to Worley.And last year punt return was ridicules.Anybody can beat anybody on any given day. have a great weekend!!! Watch out for Rustin!!!
@raiderfan24/7
In response to your comment on wins for Coatesville, it is 644 through the 2012 season. An exact tie with Ridley at that point. Tie for 15th in the state in total wins. Source PA Football News 2013 Resource Guide.
@Jive, we were referring to Prep CHARTER, not SJP.
Somebody made mention of the PCL’s bye week. It’s the truth, it’s an absolute injustice. Meanwhile D1 and D11 are banging each other and the D12 champ saunters into the next round after having chilled for a couple of weeks. The PIAA should not allow this. If it’s done to accommodate the Thanksgiving games, then tough cookie. Either skip the Thanksgiving games or do it like Easton and play again a couple days later. Or, if it has nothing to do with the Thanksgiving games, then there is an easy solution: simply have the bye week after the regular season but before the playoffs begin.
@??????
Stop! Imhotep scrimmaged Prep in September, they didn’t beat them by 2 TD’s. Look, I like Imhotep’s team and they looked pretty good against LaSalle. However, without Franklin and with Heron not being 100% that day, it could have been a much different game. We all saw what Prep did to LaSalle. Did Martin run all over Tep in the scrimmage? Of course not, you don’t put your QB in harms way in a scrimmage. His legs are a huge part of their offense. Should Tep win the AA title? I think so. But, if a real game were to be played with Prep, I think you would be kind of disappointed. Just my opinion, and in D12 those opinions have been pretty good so far.
@RRmark
Imhotep beat prep by two touch downs already
Chest pounding Chuck, who says Cville is the most talented team in the east, you? many times have you seen Prep, Imhotep, Wood, Neshaminy, Pennsbury, Easton, Parkland etc. play in person? I’m going to venture a guess and say none.
How can you make such a declarative statement without facts? It will all work out on the field; have to share though, Cville fans make it difficult tto rroot for them.
Put in a comment 22 hours ago. Nothing nasty, nothing disparaging, absolutely sarcastic. I find it kind of odd that everybody (myself included) was permitted to bombard Imhotep with negative comments. All of the D1 contingent can bombard the Catholic League with negative comments. However, anything sarcastic or negative towards anybody outside of the city will not be permitted. What have I made, about 50-60 comments, maybe more? All but 4 got through. One on the ongoing Southern Columbia tribute on this site. Not this thread, but they have an article on every game and the 50 yr tribute. 2 on Berwick’s run up the points game (the comments on Imhotep’s run up on Future were posted in minutes). And now a funny comment on the excuses that have already started about D12 and their “bye week”. Anybody else seeing it this way, or is it just me?
@ RRMark
?????????????????
Look who crawled from under his rock…, that pick is laughable. Before making that pick, did you know that Prep Charter’s main QB, if he does play, would be returning from a separated shoulder?
Come on say it clearly, “Hello, my name is RRMark, and I’m an Imhotep hater.”
@ Chest mont chuck
You make some valid points about some of the flaws in the PIAA State Championship system. District 12 benefits but so do other Districts. If a team has to play 5 post season games to get to the state final, then everyone should have to play 5 games. Anyone on this site can make a more fair bracket than the PIAA.
Cville has had good teams all along just tough against the D1 mega School NP, Nesh. , CBW.The last couple of years is just a up cycle for them,some of the best players to ever wear the Red and Black.Ortega does a great job of getting the most out of every player.@ jive turkey they are the best in D1 but like everyone else they are high school kids and can lose any week.Ask 2012 Dtown East.Watch out for Rustin!!!Hope everybody has a great weekend.
@ rrmarks u are a hater wow a grown man with so much hate for a team and its staff. Wow i hope u sleep well at night lol.
@Jive & @Steve – 247Sports has Worley’s 40 time at 4.5 so who knows. (Rivals doesn’t list a 40 time).
With 947 high school males (per piaa.org) Coatesville always had the raw talent. It seems now they have someone finding it who can develop it.
@ chest mont chuck
Yeah, a C’ville/Prep eastern final would be a nice matchup. But they should never play that game at Villanova. They would charge an arm and a leg for admission. Prep played Malvern Prep there a few years back and they were charging $10 for a game that should have been $5. They should play the eastern final at the Eagles stadium at the same price as a normal playoff game which is $6 to $8. The Eagles should support this; after all that greedy organization was subsidized by tax payer money when they built that stadium. It’s the least they could do.
@raiderfan24/7
My picking an upset winner has about as much chance as me picking the exact date of the end of the world given a spread of 50 billion years to choose from. That said, I again looked at the District One Class 4A 27-team power points standing and their opponents for this week. Ten have 3A opponents, mostly with losing records and one even has a 2A opponent. Hard to pick an upset there. I would guess that the more evenly matched records would provide the best chance of a “mild upset.” These would be W C Rustin 7-0 vs Unionville 6-1; Council Rock North 5-2 vs Pennsbury 6-1; Boyertown 5-2 vs Perk Valley 6-1; North Penn 4-3 vs Pennridge 5-2; and W C East 4-3 vs D’Town West 5-2. Real, stunning upsets seem few and far between these days.
Prep over Hotep
Coatesville is the most talented team in Eastern PA. Everybody knew this team would be special going back to 1995 when all of these kids were being born in Coatesville hospital. One kid actually just ran a 3.7 40 in a race, and lost that race to a sophomore back-up offensive guard. There is still a slight chance they could get beat in the D1 playoffs. As long as they don’t have to play West Chester Rustin, Garnet Valley, Neshaminy, Pennsbury, or Abington they should have no problems. The Philly Catholic league is not that great, but I’m really worried about a LaSalle team, that has a good shot at finishing 3rd in a 5 team league. If we can avoid all of the good teams in D1 and make it to the Eastern final, I think we should have that game at Penn State. I’m positive 100,000 fans would show up to support C-Ville. I am thinking about closing my comment with the first of many excuses I’ll make as to why Prep is going to beat us, if we get to the final. Please Chest Pump Chuck, keep the comments coming. They are hands down the most entertaining comments I’ve read on here in a while.
Steve, as a life long resident of coatesville and formal football player. Coatesville has always had the talent didn’t always have the best program. now they do. that being said coateville high school has a ton of wins in its history. I don’t know the total but would say its up there with anyone elses.
@raiderfan24/7 springfield montco over upper dublin
Anyone see any upsets coming this week?
No the sun does not rise and set on the Philly Catholic league.That’s why you play the games. just like last year.Cville could get beat in any round if they do not come to play.just like any other team.They are the most talented team in the east.But that’s why you play the game.They knew in Cville when these kids where in Jr.high there was something special.Their 40 are all legit.I would love to see a Prep Cville eastern final.Play it at Villanova.There would be 15000 fans there.But La Salle short passing game and revenge would be very tough for the Ville.O I forgot Cathloic league gets a By two weeks before the eastern final any rest at that time of the year would be terrific.Cville does not have kids living out of state and playing in the city.
@????
OK, I’ll bite. I think you are dead on about that being a good game. In fact, I think it would be a very good game. I don’t think C-ville is in the top 3 in D1 AAAA, if that was the comparison you were looking for, but if that game were played and Tep were to win, that would be a good win against a good AAAA team.
ESPN recruiting nation has Worley listed at 4.71. I really don’t care what he runs, just looking forward to seeing him play for the Nits next year. Just to keep it real though, why would ESPN lie?
I think when the statement was made about the 3 horse race in the Catholic League, it was about the run for 2nd place. LaSalle, Judge, and Roman all have an equal shot at finishing second this year.
@PCF,
There’s a cacoon lake somewhere in Coatesville. I don’t know where this team has been hiding the last few decades, but things have changed under the current regime.
Judge is much improved and will make the PCL playoffs as a 3 or 4 seed depending on if they beat Roman in two weeks.
Roman continues to fly under the radar. It wouldn’t shock me to see RC beat LaSalle this weekend.
If Ryan can’t pull the huge upset on the Prep in two weeks they will be out of the PCL playoffs as they will have zero league wins. So when everyone says Ryan is a team on the rise I ask how so?
Looks like they peaked in the preseason.
Father Judge has displayed a competitive edge and Ryan has some talent also. I understand Prep and La Salle are the lead horses however Judge has made some great strides.
@ Chuck,
Where’s all this talent coming from??….or is Ortega finding and developing?
Who would beat out of imhotep and coatsville that would be one great game
I’m sure all these 40 times being thrown out are verified laser timed 40’s, because we all just know!
@chest pump chuck
Wow, that’s a lot of speed! Now, I am convinced and see how I missed it. They were so quick I couldn’t see all that speed.
@ ches mont chuck
Just wondering, but do you have any source on this info? Sorry, but it seems totally baseless.
@17th & G
All Db are 4.5 or better Worley is 4.4 one Lb is a 4.5 ILb is 4.7.The 2 corners and safety are D1 and other safety is 1AA. They have 9 returning starters on D from last year team.you said 7 on 7 in pads they hit anything that moves.
Tsaf who is the third horse in the 3 horse race in the PCL?
@ ches mont chuck
I saw some speed at the 7v7 this summer but not to the extent your claiming. Did I miss something?
to red n black. Cville defense hasnt given up very many points to anyone they have played. pass defense most be doing something right. agree passing hasnt taken off yet. should be there later, but they really havent had to use it much. Will see how it plays out. like their chances though.
District 1 AAAA is probably the hardest champ to predict other than District 7. WC Rustin, Coatesville, Neshaminy etc. Don’t count out Garnet V. I heard they are playing tough ball. There are also some good 1 loss teams. Even though it is week 8, still to early to tell for District 1.
PCL AAAA appears to be a 3 horse race. Will make for an interesting November.
Neither District 1 or 12 will get as much competition from the AAAA District 11/4/2 region. I would be shocked as the teams are just not as strong this season as those before. I think Parkland should win it but Easton or another can possibly knock them off.
Coatesville team speed on D is killer everybody under 5.0 in 40 and 3 or 4 guys are 4.4 and 4.5 guys.And will hit you as you get off the bus.they are built for November and December.
To raiderfan24/7
I’m not seeing what ur seeing?
They have a very weak pass defense.
no pass offense!!!!!
offense line not doing a very good job against quality teams.
They run the same plays over n over, teams figure that out quick.
they will not make D1 finals!!!!!!!
How about those MONTOURSVILLE WARRIORS in D4
watching small schools in d-2 i have to say there are 2 good teams and all the others are terrible. look at the rushing stats d buckley 10 carries-222yds. b yescavage 5 carries 192yds. k miller 11 carries 192yds. earlier this year, western wayne’s tback ran for 350. buckleys average was22yds per carry yescavage averaged almost 40 yds per carry.these guys could hav run for 500 yds a game if they played 4 quarters. the bottom line is the competition is terrible
Two interesting games coming up in the ches-mont on Friday that could have an impact in D1 standings overall. WC Rustin at Unionville and Coatesville at WC Henderson. Watch out for WC Henderson against coatesville. If the Red-Raiders don’t come out to play for 4 quarters they could be in for a dogfight. 7-0 Rustin vs 6-1 Unionville has grown to become a big rivalry and the game that leads to the ches-mont American title almost every year.
@raiderfan:
I’m still sticking with my original prediction of Neshaminy over Coatesville in the D1 Final, but that might change depending on how Neshaminy handles their last two regular season games against Abington and Pennsbury, which will be by far their toughest challenges yet… WC Rustin is a solid team and could definitely make some noise as well but they’re not beating Coatesville… not this year at least.
@D
The way I understand it (admittedly, I wasn’t there) Ryan was winning that game with 7 minutes left. It doesn’t sound like Judge handled them.
Anyone have any D1 finals predictions?
D1 playoffs should be good.alot of good teams out there. Coatesville’s Defense is very good. alot better then last year. Offensively they are a ground and pound running team. look for them to get better at stretching the field. They have the talent to do it.
@phillyboy
There’s obviously no guarantee that either SJP or LaSalle are in the PCL Ship. Clearly, Father Judge is pretty darn good too, as they Ryan pretty easily this weekend.
Whoever gets FJ in the playoffs is dealing with a tough team.
I would like to personally thank Gabe Infante for playing a prevent defense and abandoning the passing game, aside from 1 drive where they needed a score, in the 2nd half. Your generosity kept a lot of folks off of the Walt Whitman last night, and for that I thank you. Moving forward, Ryan is basically out after losing to Judge today. The chances of them beating Prep are slim and none, and slim just went out for a burger. Prep will have the 1 seed. I think LaSalle will beat Roman next week. Roman’s pass defense is not very good, expect a big game for Shurmer. 2 seed goes to LaSalle. Prep should beat Judge next week. That creates quite a game in 2 weeks between Roman and Judge. That game will decide who plays Prep or LaSalle in the semis. If I’m LaSalle, I’m rooting hard for Roman in that one. A second match-up with Judge, for LaSalle, could throw a monkey wrench into the LaSalle-Prep championship game that everybody seems to be looking forward to. Don’t think a semi game will be played on grass, speed kills, and Judge has it in bunches. Probably gonna see LaSalle-Prep in the CL final, but after watching the first half last night, the half in which Prep played a true defense and didn’t try to stall and run out the clock, I still don’t think LaSalle has a snowballs chance.
MANHEIM CENTRAL BARONS..
@ Major Tank
Bit paranoid aren’t we?
No attempt to “tweak” ( whatever that means)
Just heard that prep was up quite a lot, was wondering if they laid back at the end.
Prep will beat them even worse in Nov. though.
Once again………not a “tweak”.
Imhotep, Eastern Christian was a good game. Eastern is absolutely loaded with major BCS talent at most positions. Imhotep put up a good fight.
Everybody is assuming that LaSalle will meet Prep in the PCL final. There’s no guarantee of that. Wasn’t Judge up 16-0 on LaSalle? And Ryan and Roman are good enough to pull an upset.
Imhotep ***
I may be late but how was the Imotep vs Eastern Christian game?
Buddy – Nice try to attempt to tweak the LaSalle followers. Not gonna work. It was absolutely that close LaSalle got their act together in the 2nd half after playing very poorly in the 1st half. Sets up a great showdown for the PCL title in November.
Good win for SJP last night. If they meet in PCL finals it will be classic. Time management needs improvement for LaSalle and the d-backs need to hit and take down ball carriers..too much diving at the ankles. Shurmur has a tendency to throw too many int’s. If LaSalle get some basics covered they will be a tough match for Prep. Skills on both sides are tremendous.
@ches mont chuck. I definitely agree with Rustin and Coatesville. Too many people are judging that Downingtown East game. D-east has a talented team and are not as bad as they are playing if that makes sense. Plus that rivalry is one of those games where you throw records out the window because anything can happen. Rustin is very tough as well and have just been playing on cruise control lately. Too bad Coatesville doesn’t play Rustin this year. Would love to see those two teams go at it.
Was the Prep/LS game that close, or did Prep substitute at the end?
@phillyboy
That’s pretty bold saying prep will win going away in November. I believe people were saying the same thing last year after the first prep/lasalle game, and look what happened. There is no doubt prep has the better talent, however the gordons are the best at making adjustments, it will be really hard to beat them twice, should be a great game in November
As someone with deep ties to LS, I felt they played scared tonight. Family who got to watch the game on tv felt the same way. From the beginning it looked like LS was afraid to kick to preps receivers. Penalties, lots of missed tackles and poor clock management did LS in. 2nd half showed promise except again time management. They came out a bit more confident. Everything can be fixed so next time they come out on top. Looking forward to playoffs.
@ JiveTurkey
There’s no question the Prep has played a tougher schedule. LaSalle is lucky to only have 1 loss. They very easily could have lost to Judge or Malvern Prep if a play here or there had gone differently. Anyway, I expect Prep to win going away.
My Bad!!!! Imhotep and Dallas Jesuit is not a wash according to maxpreps. Imhotep and Wood would be a wash. So we are comparing Dallas and Bosco to O’Hara, Ryan, and Judge. Still no comparison, but I wanted to be accurate.
@PCL FAN,
I usually agree with most of your comments. I can’t agree with the LaSalle has probably played the tougher teams so far. LaSalle hasn’t played a team in the same class as Bosco. Let’s look at who they played.
Lasalle week 1, North Penn. Both played a bad NP team.
week 2, Imhotep, good team comparable to Dallas Jesuit.
week 3, O’Hara, not a good team, won 28-14 but was closer than the score.
week 4, Malvern, OK team that beat 2-4 Roman by 2, only won 23-17.
week 5, Ryan, beat up on a bad O’Hara team and some very weak D1 teams. 0-2 in CL play.
week 6, Judge, No idea on Judge whether they’re good or bad, but got very lucky to pull it out 17-16.
Preps opponents; I’ll wash Roman with Malven, NP is a wash both ways, Dallas Jesuit and Imhotep wash. So we are comparing Don Bosco Prep and Archbishop Wood to O’Hara, Ryan, and Judge? Really no comparison.
You said their problem is not skill players but turnovers. I was at the Judge game, weren’t their skill players the ones that turned over the ball? I don’t want to get into a long battle over this, but it’s right there, Prep has had the much tougher schedule.
All of that being said, this weather could turn this game into a real dud. Hopefully the rain stops from 7:00-9:30.
Just a breakdown from what I see position wise leading into tonight. I saw LaSalle D line, aside form 1 run, control Judge’s ground game and held Imhotep pretty good. I saw Prep D line shut down Roman ground game and after a halftime adjustment, completely shut down Wood. O line for LaSalle gave QB all day to throw, Prep O line did the same. At QB I give the passing edge to LaSalle, and the rushing edge to Prep. At RB LaSalle has 2 very capable backs in 23 and 25. Prep has 2 fantastic backs in 1 and 7. Prep should keep 26’s rushes to a minimum like they did against Wood. 1 and 7 are the horses that will carry the ground game. LaSalle has the best LB, Prep has the best player on the field #25. I see Prep by more than 2 TD’s. Might be wrong, but that’s how I see it.
CYOBall. I never questioned Preps coaching, check original post. Everyone may get better next month, but not everyone has a blue chip Big 10 recruit at QB. Last counter point, I am sure Prep would rather have a win to build from as opposed to the PCL finals loss. LaSalle is building off 5 consecutive PCL titles….
My comment about the skill players was an opinion and not a fact, sorry if it came out that way.
In my opinion the prep skill players are more dynamic than LaSalle’s skill players. I personally would take O, swift, McKallister and Reid over Herron , Meacham, Headon and Rinella.
I will not use NP stats as an indication of which teams better . NP is clearly down this season. I know LaSalle is shaky line play on O and D as I have been to more than 2 of their games.
When you take your starting MLB and put him at tackle you’re in desperation mode. LaSalle got zero pressure on the QB against Ryan.
This is my opinion. Prep will win tonight. I believe the prep is a better team. My opinion.
Will LaSalle be prepared? yes. Can LaSalle win?, yes. Would I be completely shocked if LaSalle pulls it off? No.
@ CYOBall
The perception is the Prep skill guys are better than LaSalle but the stats from play on the field don’t show that. LaSalle has better rushers, receivers and passer, as you did note, than the Prep. You could point to who they play but overall but LaSalle probably has played tougher teams overall. If you want to compare NP games, LaSalle had better stats their too. So when you say the Prep skill guys are better what are you basing that on?
The difference for LaSalle this year has been turnovers and penalties not skill players.
Check Ted Silary’s site for the details.
The 2nd best team in D-1 is Rustin and they will give Coatesville or anyone else in the east all they can handle there big, fast and well coached.
HS FB FAN I understand that LaSalle will be a better team next month however so will everyone else.
LaSalle is still a very good team and will hang with the prep. When you can pass like LaSalle you’re never going to be out of a game. PREP is a better team than LaSalle at just about every position other than QB and LB. Prep has better backers , LaSalle has the best backer. LaSalles weakness is on the O and D line. Hard to tell in with all of the skill guys and play makers at LAS but that’s where they have won in the past. Its not happening this year.
I wouldn’t be quick to question the preps coaching, they prepare just about as well as anyone out there.
I think the loss in the PCL final last year helps them going forward.
Regarding Prep – LaSalle game…..One of the posts below call LaSalle a middleweight, they are certainly not that but i don’t think that they match up well with Prep this year. Prep has four legitimate burners who can take it to the house on any play. LaSalle playing a bunch of young guys had 18 starters to replace and their youth and inexperience has been exposed at times this year. I see Prep taking it tomorrow but they will most likely play again in November for PCL championship. Most who follow LS will tell you that they are looking at 2014 as a big year, not this season with so many new players. They still have plenty of talent and will make it interesting, but Prep will win it tomorrow.
@Buddy
Thank you for keeping your glooting to a minimum.
Both LaSalle and Prep are maturing. I think LaSalle might be ahead of Prep at this point in the season. Still I think Prep has more talent but what do I know? It’s hard to figure out through common opponents. If LaSalle gives ups a little space to Preps speed it could be a beat down.
Then again it’s LaSalle’s game to lose they are top dog in the PCL until proven not.
Last post,
I meant ” no one from D11 threatening……….”
@tank
North Penn did not have 10 guys hurt early in the season, they are just that down this year.
They have discovered a new running back about 2 games ago, that helps account for their recent success, but they are nowhere ready for prime time.
I see no one from D12 threatening LaSalle or Prep, so it should be Neshaminy or C’ville vs Prep or LaSalle. I’m curious to see if Neshaminy’s defense is as good as been reported.
They’ll need it if they make the final.
All you Coatesville haters will find out.Neshamny has no chance. Coatesville is bigger and faster than anyone out there.
I think people were saying the same thing last year about prep beating La Salle. Prep definitely has talent no question, do they have the discipline and coaching of la salle? I think LS has the edge there
General
Looking at the District 1 power standings and the matchups for this week 7; it would appear that the favorites are heavily just that. Of the 31 teams listed in the 4A classification, fully 14 play a 3A opponent, with only two of the 3A schools having a better record than 3-3. And very few teams play another team in the 4A category within the 31 teams in contention. That said; it would seem that the key games will be Oxford-Great Valley; W C East-W C Henderson; Pennridge-C B South; and Haverford-Springfield-Delco. However, it looks like all of the games will be played in sloppy conditions if played Friday or Saturday, and slips on the field or a wet ball can take a toll. Enjoy all of the games.
LaSalle is a team that is maturing as the weeks progress. They may take Prep, but it is the second go round that counts. LaSalle will be a tough team next month. I think Prep takes this one. LaSalle takes game 2. We shall see??
North Penn played two of the best teams in D12 and lately two of the better teams in the state in 4A and 3A. They haven’t really played a top team in D1 yet. If I’m not mistaken I think City kids can pretty much choose their schools where kids in the suburbs have to go to the school in their area. Now we know most of these perennial powerhouses do not stick to that rule but they can only do so much. You take an area like West Chester that has 3 high schools and they still find a way to compete to at least make the playoffs. If West Chester had one high school they’d probably compete for district and state titles every year. Some of these school districts are a lot bigger or more densely populated than others so even though they make the minimum for 4A they dont have as many people to choose from as these bigger 4A schools. And other schools have an advantage to legally recruit kids like Catholic Schools.
I honestly have no clue about most of the teams in D1. Just figured I’d stir the pot a bit and get Buddy fired up. North Penn could have had 10 guys hurt early in the year, or they could’ve gotten lucky beating CBS. Like I said, I have no clue. In 2 months I think we are going to see Neshaminy play Prep in the Eastern playoffs, should be a good game from what I hear about Neshaminy.
@ Paul,
Agreed, you can never count out Gordon the second time around. I thought Prep had the better team last year and LaSalle got them when it counted. However, I’m not sure, even with some Gordon magic, they’ll be able to pull one out in November this year. I think the second game will be much closer than this week though.
@ jive
Never said NP is good this year. I know they’re not. The only reason they could make the playoffs is because D1 send 16 teams. They would be low seed ( like 16) & lose 1st game.
D12 is definetly on top this year all away around. Won’t last forever. It’s cyclical.
Hope Neshaminy meets Prep in final and wins of course. But unlike you, I’ll keep my glooting to a minimum.
In District 2, Scranton Prep and Abington Heights is the game to see. It should be interesting to see how well Abington can move the ball on Prep with their size. This game will most likely have a rematch in 4 weeks.
Anyone from District 4, looks like Montoursville and Danville should be a great game. Don’t know much about them other than they both enter the game at 6-0.
When you look at it honestly, suburban and Philly schools match up pretty evenly. That is, geographically (how rivalries are created), as opposed to a district number that, in this case, means somewhat less. Maybe SJP or West Catholic could go play in district 1, say, in the new Suburban Catholic League (not sure why city teams would). Or maybe, just as oddly, Lansdale Catholic, LaSalle or AW could move into the Philly Catholic League in D12. Oh, they already do play there. Weird, but, oh well.
@ Jive Turkey
I think you pretty much nailed it. It’s going to take an almost clean game for La Salle to take Prep. Not saying it couldn’t happen. Might be a different story in November but right now Prep takes it.
Also worth noting… North Penn lost to one city Catholic school and 2 suburban Catholic schools (Warminster and Wyndmoor) that could very well be district 1 schools geographically. Move the suburban Catholic schools to district 1 and see where things stand. Yeah, a Lansdale team really makes sense in the PCL… Yet Pope John Paul II (Royersford) is in the Pioneer where Lansdale Catholic used to be. Might as well throw throw some city public schools in district 1 for S’s and G’s. Those might not be considered cupcakes by the district 12 crowd.
@HS FB FAN,
I too am looking forward to Prep and LaSalle. This is just my opinion from watching both teams play a couple times. I don’t see a heavyweight battle. I think the heavyweight (Prep) is gonna put it on the middleweight (LaSalle) pretty good. Having my kid at a different Catholic school makes me a fan of neither, just giving my honest opinion. Any thoughts on the game from everybody else?
I threw the North Penn info out there knowing there would be a bite, and who would bite. I don’t think NP is good at all this year, they way they were manhandled by their D12 opponents proved that. They beat CB South last week. CBS has lost 2 games this year, #2 ranked Coatesville and NP. If NP makes the playoffs, that would be a sad indictment on D1. In my opinion the only team in D1 that has any kind of shot at doing anything is Neshaminy. Just because C-Ville is ranked highly, that doesn’t mean they are what people expect them to be at the end of the year. I was high on C-Ville earlier in the year, then they played D-town East, another not so great D1 team, and only won 14-7. Maybe people are moving out of the burbs, and back into the city? Doesn’t sound like it makes sense, but there has to be a reason the better teams in D12 would own the better teams in D1.
@ the quiet One. Wyomissing QB sat out for 13 games last year, was eligible 1yr from date of his transfer. His first game was the game prior to IC game.
I thought this was a football blog?
Looking forward to heavy weight battle between prep and LaSalle!
@ jive
North Penn’s last 3 games were against certainly not power-houses ( as opposed to their first 3 games).
Their real tests will be next week against Pennridge, then the following week against CB West.
They must win out to even think about playoffs.
It will surprise me if they can do that.
Easton AAAA of course.
@Mark D
D11… AA Catty and AAA Becahi are the only ones I can say with any confidence, barring unforeseen circumstances. But I will go with Easton and Mahanoy Area in A. Will root for Emmaus in AAAA.
All right guys let talk fooball D11 and D4 guys who we going to see in the playoffs i posted who look like the teams in D2 who looking like the teams from your districts
@tsaf77
Man, how do I answer all that? Kids are in charter schools all over the state, your opinion about Charter schools is what it is but this is a high school football forum not a political awareness debate forum. Only thing I can say is several charter schools closed last year due to funding, same as public schools.
If you want to say charter schools are not public schools, so be it, but they play in the public league. A public league that allows kids to play for them who don’t live in their district (Washington, NE, Lincoln etc can all receive kids who live anywhere from down near the Linc to up near Franklin Mills).
You know what, how about we talk football. No, how about you come spend a week with with them as they prepare for next week’s game. Or come Friday night when they play Bonner.. Come get to know the kids with their funny ways, braces, laughter, Iphones, video game challenges, homework stressing, horseplaying but polite mannerism (they’re kids). Come get to know IC like I did and you will see how the program is. who cares if they all go to a charter school when two schools in their neighborhood just closed. What are their options when there is only one high school in their area that does not have an academic requirement to attend (Central)? We can’t blame the kids for this city putting its budget shortfalls on the backs of kids who can’t march and strike for themselves. They are products of a dysfunctional educational system that cuts their academics every year. Charter schools may not be affected by the cuts but they are affected by the outcome of the cuts. Every kid in Northwest Philly can’t afford to go to the Prep and O’Hara like you and your relatives; so what is a child to do?
Lastly, my comment about packing the house for their games merely informs you how they are able to budget their program, bus fees, ref fees, and yes field fees. Come hang with the kids one day at Lonnie Young Rec. Come shake their hands and see how they greet you with a firm handshake and eye contact. Believe me, when you do, you will support. That’s all I’m saying tsaf, come see them for yourself. Come see them for yourself..
@ TS AF the qb from wymisson didnt sit the whole year. Yeah the team that beat ic last year, he sat only for 11 games and all of a sudden he can play against Ic in the simi-finals so do your home work on that.
@tsaf77
I heard that each kid on the football team pays around 250 each year 1000 for all 4 years you do the math.
Everybody is playing nice right now, what’s going on? I was looking through the team schedules and couldn’t help but notice something that really stuck out. North Penn played 3 D12 teams in their first 3 games. 0-3, outscored 118-16. Since then they have had it pretty easy. They started their D1 schedule and have gotten their record back to 500. Going 3-0, and outscoring their D1 opponents 90-35. Just something that I thought my D1 friends would be interested in.
@RevTwek would love to see a history of the big 11 if you ever come across something like that please post it here .Berwick and Prep if it come down to that i know i will be their, on paper it a classic. Berwick hasent seen a defense like Preps but Prep hasnt seen a offense like Berwicks
@Jive, yeah Imhotep had to pay for the super sites. I’m not one of those offended by calling the schools public, that’s where the funding comes from. And yeah, I’ve seen the BBall players. Haven’t hooked them up yet.
@tsaff77, didn’t have to worry about getting the d-1 offer, my child has a full academic ride. See the poor under performing school does educate. Imagine that. As for your question about why pay when I can send him to play at the unsafe, undisciplined, poorly coached (no knock on current staff, just what was there when my child was in HS)local school. Hmm, I think you can figure that one out. And by the way, your local HS kid who transfers doesn’t have to sit out unless the coach or administration from the school he’s leaving wants to challenge his reason for leaving. Same rules apply across all of the PIAA. Sorry to hear about the kids near you needing to pay to play. In Philly the public schools don’t have that problem. It’s clear your problem is with charter’s in general. Why direct that towards the athletic teams? Call your state senator/congressman and complain to them instead of this and other message boards about the kids competing for the schools.
@ Mark D,
I agree Lakeland’s coach is a top notch person. Just doesn’t have the athletes right now. He was a proven winner at Lackawanna Trail by taking that program from the bottom and making it a perennial state contender. Give him talent and he can mold a winning team. There are many quality coaches from District 2. From Curry, Henzes and Pazzaglia to the new coaches on the block at Abington Heights, Old Forge and all the rest in between.
Facts, I have no ill will towards the kids. I give you a lot of credit for supporting the kids that need it most. You have a good amount of kids in our city that come from single parent households, and a positive male voice can go along way. As with tsaf77, I have major problems with charter schools. I may be wrong in the long run, but they have become quite a burden on our city, our tax payers, and public education. The few bad apples ruins the bunch rule seems to apply to charters. Since charters have become viable in Philadelphia we have had to deal with corrupt administrators, falsifying of state test scores, and a lottery system that has miserably failed. Administrators of some schools were lining their pockets with state money, money that was supposed to go towards the children’s education. The test score tampering was real bad, and Imhotep was a major contributor to that. In my area of the city, unless you have a politician buddy, don’t apply, you’re not getting in. Will these things turn around? Who knows. One thing we know for sure is that we have half empty public school buildings, and a $300M education deficit. If all of the kids, that are now in charter schools, were in public schools would we have full buildings and better funding? I don’t know if we would or wouldn’t, but I know where we stand now, and it’s not good.
@tsaf77 i agree you dont see that here in D2. Dont get me wrong Lakeland has run a fine program for years.Iknow their coach and wish he was at Valley View, but Lakeland fans seen to have a habit of always bring up the past it drives me nuts to be honest eveytime i talk to a Lakeland fan they bring up the game in 80 ! Lakeland fans you 12 and 24 aganist Valley View at least pick on some one you beat !
@ Facts
I am not trying to debunk the kids at IC as they should all have the same educational/athletic opportunities as all schools across the state. That is fair.
The Charter method bothers me because Charter schools are not held to public standards and most people believe they are equal to public when this is not true. As for the PCL, I call them out however they are private and parents pay tuition for their kids to go to the PCL along with paying taxes to public education. So I therefore have no substance to argue. My relatives attended St. Joes and O’Hare so I know about the PCL and the recruiting that “doesn’t take place.”
Charters are not private and are using public funds but are not held to the same standards. Sure they are tested through PDE however where is accountability for poor testing. The 5 year contract deal is worthless for accountability. I haven’t seen one Charter removed and most are failing worse than Public. Now with the Keystone exams in place, it is going to all of sudden improve most charters?
As for funding, it is a shame the school does not fund it’s athletics as the Charters do not pay for transportation. The Philly Public Schools have to front the bill. It’s PA Law. Charters also only have to staff 75% of its teachers with accredited degrees. I am not even sure if that counts with PA Licenses. So they are also saving money by paying 25% of the staff without proper degrees. Public schools can’t do that. Again it is PA Law. Find out the Per Pupil rate for students at IC. The money comes from the Per Pupil rate of the student from their original district, in this case Philly SD, unless a kid out of Philly SD got it because that is also possible if there is room. The per pupil rate includes transportation costs, yet the Charter does not provide it! This Per Pupil rate almost triples for a student that has an IEP. Isn’t it ironic that Curriculum for Charters comes from a company that is owned by the PA Dept of Ed’s 2nd in command who was appointed by the Governor. Hmmmm sounds a little skeptical.
I also found nothing in PA Law that says only 9th grade students have a lottery to get in. It actually states any “grade” that is subject to filling. The Charter can also pick a student that has family already there or for “other” circumstances. Those are only some of the reasons why I don’t care for the Charters and am tired of people calling them PUBLIC! They aren’t fully public until they are held to the same standards as Public.
As for the kids, I do agree with Quite One when he stated that anyone would basically not turn away an athlete(s). IC has a great thing going for it. Similar to the PCL, the team is built in an All Star way. IC just has to be more persuasive to get the kids from Philly SD to want to go there. Lets call it what it is, old fashioned recruiting. It happens almost everywhere. But if a kid transfers to a Public School from another Public School, he may have to sit out one year from participating. I have seen that happen. The denial aspect is what bothers me and creates problems.
Reaching for dirt with HUDL, well Facts your wrong again. HUDL is not Free. Like I said depending on which package you buy (Silver, Gold or Platinum) they range from over $1000 to over $3000 each year.
I still don’t understand the comment “Do you understand they all paid to get in?” That means pay to play sports right?
Every school also has a story Facts, and they are all great success stories. I agree with you about making life better and more successful for these kids, they deserve that. They don’t deserve education thrown to the wayside for success on the gridiron. That is a disservice to these kids. There are over 70 kids on this roster. Almost all if not all are not going to live the pro dream. Their education is more important than that.
@Philly Guy
I don’t know why you pay to play at IC. PA Law states your child can play at any public school within the Public SD if the Charter does not offer the sport. IC is obviously not offering if you as parents have to pay. So why do pay instead of sending your child to play for one of the other Public Schools?
Don’t know what you mean by fully public schools. There are about 4 or 5 Public Schools near me that are Pay To Play because their funding got cut. Check to see if the Charters in Philly got their funding cut. Especially for poor academic performance. These public schools near me are actually performing well and still had funding cut. Where did it go?
I am actually worried about my tax dollars because the school is not outperforming the Philly Public SD. I guess the school should focus more on academics than the athletics it doesn’t support (through pay). The community has more power over the Charter anyway. So where are your priorities? Still hoping for that D1 scholarship.
I obviously don’t care for the charter system as it has more flaws than proven success. However, I was rooting for Imhotep to win this weekend for their kids! I will root for Imhotep if and when they represent Eastern PA in the State Championship. They are a good program with great kids.
Agree, way too much fun to stop now. I don’t care if Imhotep wears Nike or K-mart uni’s, that’s irrelevant. I’ve never seen an Imhotep player standing on the corner with a bucket and a sign, trying to guilt me into throwing in a buck in the bucket, so they’re cool with me there. Speaking of which. Has anybody seen the 2 kids, at Adams & the BLVD, asking for donations for their basketball team to get uniforms? They’ve been out there for about 6 months, every day. I think they can buy uni’s, sweats, sneaks, and a team bus with the money they have made. Never saw anybody else from the team, just the same 2, don’t look athletic, hmmm odd. That got me off track a bit. I have an honest question, for anybody who knows. That Guy Philly might know, being a former parent. I know some people take it as an insult to call a charter a public school, so let me figure out how to ask this without offending anybody. Imhotep plays at the NW Supersite. Catholic schools must pay a fee of just under $3000 to use the, publicly funded, supersites. Being a charter school, does Imhotep have to pay a site rental fee, or are they given the same benefits of publics? Publics don’t pay a site fee. If you don’t have to pay a site fee, that could afford the opportunity to put a lot more money back into the program. Which is very nice. Don’t know why the city charges Catholic teams to play there, our tax dollars paid towards them sites too!
@mark d
I agree with your D2 playoff predictions. It’ll be interesting to see how well WVW can compete with the AAAA D11 teams come playoff time. In AAA, Prep seems to be the real deal. Not taking anything away from Abington, but I’m looking forward to a possible Prep/Berwick title game. I think Prep could beat Berwick.
AA is what it is. Lehman is good, Carbondale has been a surprise. Lakeland can always make some noise, and I think Hanover might be a team to look out for. Class A, upsets aside, Dunmore/Old Forge part 2 will decide it.
Also I wish there was a list somewhere of all the final standings of the Big 11 every year – like a history of the Big 11. I wish that never broke up too; would’ve been great if it was still going. It’s like the high school football version of the SEC – tough games every single week.
@phillyboy
A d6 team recently played Maryland Christian Homeschool. 2 years ago. From talking with their players and coaches, i guess the rules are different down there. If you are homeschooled or cyberschooled you cannot participate in athletics at the school district you live in, like pa has. That is why they had program. Im not sure if this is the case with the team IC played last weekend or not. Just providing some insight into what the rules are in other states.
@17th it’s too much fun to give up so…
@tsaf77 just a note as a former Imhotep football parent, since you worry about the costs the football program incurs, thought you would like to know that the kids, not the school support the program. Unlike fully public schools, the kids must pay an activity fee for all athletics. This fee is several hundred per participant, yes for those wondering including those “all-star” transfers that you worry so much about. Their program is self supported because the school doesn’t believe in spending money on non-education expenses unless their is surplus funds at the end of the school year. Oh, and this also includes no pay for the assistant coaches and probably the lowest paid head coach in the state.
So instead of just worrying about the cost of jersey’s think about the tax dollars you are saving. Or here’s a thought contact the school and make a donation since you are so worried about the finances of the football team.
Ok, let me try this again without making a rivalry joke. Probably in bad taste after the sad events that took place this weekend down at Gratz.
Facts, I’m not trying to argue or be a jerk. I am just one of them “it is what it is” kind of guys. Situations are never as great as supporters say, and they are never as bad as haters say. I have supported Imhotep against some comments, and I have debunked some others. I do enjoy watching them play. My kid has been in some camps with some of their players, not a single bad thing to say about any of them, nice kids. I try to stay neutral, and call things like I see them. I would love to tailgate and shoot the breeze with you, come state playoff time we should do it for sure. This week I’m gonna hit a neighborhood rivalry game of Judge vs Ryan.
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@tsaf77
Every team has HUDL I believe. All you need to operate HUDL is a camcorder and a IPad. Of course the school has projectors like all schools. Wow my man, you are really reaching for dirt. Do you make it to a IC game? Do you see how they pack the house? Do you understand they all paid to get in? I did tell you this is an American story that’s still being told. Ask yourself why do you have a problem with their success. Then ask yourself why are you expecting them to lack integrity. You will never do that to Prep, Roman or LaSalle.. Ask yourself why and have a mirror moment to get your answer. Stay safe Buddy
@ 17th & G
I totally agree but sometimes the success of kids need to be defended. I will not post on this anymore unless forced to do so..
@tsaf77
I agree, it was immature for me to say what I said about you not coaching or playing before.. I don’t know you so I was wrong for that.
I did agree with you if you comprehend my post, I said coaching Xs and Os is easy with talent.
I don’t know the price of uniforms but I do know Imhotep is self funded. Very self funded through fund raising and ticket/concession sales. Those Nike uniforms are four years old based on Ted Silary pictures. Uniforms are not as expensive as you stated when brought in bunk. I do know this, the more we talk about them, the more people want to see them; which adds to the funding. But there are no hand-outs, street agents, millionaire fathers, or Gates donations. Everything is self funded. But let’s leave the kids alone and talk football.
Can we just move on with the Imotep stuff?
Facts, I’m not trying to be a jerk. I am just one of them “it is what it is” kind of people. Nothing is as good as supporters say, and never as bad as the haters say. I’ve defended and debunked Imhotep at different times. I actually enjoy watching Imhotep play. My kid went to camp with a few of their players, nice kids. I try to stay neutral, except for Wood, not a Wood fan at all. I’d love to tailgate with you, come state playoff time we’ll do it for sure. This weeks game, for me, is gonna be Judge vs Ryan. I think this is a bitter rivalry game. Nothing like watching kids from the mean streets of the greater Northeast drinking “what appears to be water”, calling each other names, and having a slap fight.
@ Mark D
Doug doesn’t want to remember the outcome of that Valley View/Lakeland game from 82. Doug also didn’t update me on Lakeland in the 1990’s. No one is stating that Lakeland has a bad program, but they are not a powerhouse every year because they follow the rules and football doesn’t control the school. Mostly all the schools in District 2 run that way though. That is why it is unfamiliar for me to hear how “every school gets a few transfers every year.” That is a rarity in our district. Especially a D1 athlete.
And don’t you dare question the fine men who established ECA to provide homeless, underprivileged top Div. 1 football recruits a team. They’ve suffered hardships this past year too.
——Eastern Christian has no football facility, either, so the team lifts weights at the Elkton YMCA and practices on an adjacent, pebble-pocked field without yard lines between the goal posts. The field, bordered by a barn and a grain silo, appears to be an abandoned farm. The final preseason practice was set for the Y two days before the opener, but a summer camp needed the space, so Eastern Christian moved to a park across the nearby Delaware border. It, too, did not have yard lines. At six the next morning, the team was on a bus for Johnston. The trip took more than 12 hours, and the air-conditioning broke along the way. Eastern Christian spent the night in nearby Edgefield and arrived at the stadium 14 minutes before kickoff, behind a coach wearing a straw hat and sunglasses, and chewing what looked like a stick.——
Eastern Christian Academy was established just last year and has mostly on-line courses. 54 students… 46 are boys… big boys, and 46 are on the football team. Fine with me if teams like Hotep have a spot to fill and want to test themselves against a team like that. If they were in PA, I guess the PIAA would put them in class A… ? And their fans would vehemently claim it was fair since all the public and parochial A teams could transfer in great football players too if they wanted. Maybe even recruit them from several youth leagues.
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@ Facts
Again, stellar display of maturity with a statement of “I agree, I don’t think you played this game before, nor did you ever coached.” You clearly did not comprehend the original statement which I previously made over 2 times so I am not going to spend any more time on trying to break it down for you. You simply do not want to understand it.
You are obviously one of those people who only looks at the facts that supports your statements and avoids those that do not. Otherwise you would have recognized that I clearly meant Discipline towards football play.
I have said numerous times that the IC kids and staff have a great program going, yet you nit pick any little thing I say that gives a flaw to IC.
I like to hear stories like the one you have posted about IC. It is a nice thing. Now don’t take this the wrong way, but like I stated before Nike uniforms run at over $120 for jersey and pants. Imhotep wears 3 colors that are Nike and suit over 70. To my calculations, that cost is over $20,000 for uniforms. Lets not even get into the cost of equipment because you would know that you can’t just use donated equipment, it has to be re-certified every year. Translates to not cheap. Just giving you some Facts. Don’t preach poverty when your wearing a swoosh. There are many schools in PA that deal with low SES (socioeconomic-status) situations. The school district I teach at is over 30% low SES. I know Philly’s situation is worse as I have relatives in their education systems and I also happen to know the Charter route is not the same as the public route for funding. Charter has advantages that public doesn’t. It might explain the Nike uniforms unless of course you have large boosters in a low SES area. By the way HUDL isn’t cheap either, as the program runs about $1,200 a year and IC has HUDL as I see their school come up on my own account. They would also require a film room, computer access and projector to use it. Not cheap.
You also have seen Jive’s data on PA Scores. Isn’t it funny that the Northeast HS you apparently attended scored higher that IC. Go look up the Facts on PA Dept of Ed’s website.
@ quite one
What a hypocritical statement you make towards Joe when you clearly support the Facts rant prior to, in support of trying to team up on me. Joe is only trying to explain to you something you already did not understand in the first place like the Facts.
I guess I have to realize that I am speaking with two adolescents, especially with comments like “You didn’t play before” or “You didn’t coach before” as your solid analysis began.
Here in D2 looks like the playoffs are shaping up
AAAA Wyoming Valley West look like a lock for one of D2 spots and i like Scranton for the other
AAA
Berwick looks like the top seed with Abington and Scranton Prep battling for the second seed this weekend, both should make the playoffs. The winner of Coughlin and Cestwood should be the final team
AA Carbondale and Lake Lehman look like locks with 4 or 5 teams still in it for the final 2 spots
A
it going to come down to Dunmore and Old Forge great game the first time should be a real winner with a state playoff berth on the line
Imhotep took an L from Eastern Christian of Maryland this past weekend. Was that a club team or an actual high school? Some of these private schools are an absolute joke. What is it with the fly-by-night schools? The star QB of Eastern Christian originally went to a school by the name of Red Lion Christian. It’s dubious if they still even have a program. Are these high schools with a football team or football teams with a high school?
You know what Jive-Turkey, you are absolutely right. I was misinformed on the ranking status of ECA stating they were ranked #6 in the country instead of #6 in the state of Maryland. They are ranked #6 in the state of Maryland according Maryland’s media and Maxpreps. Can’t believe everything you’re told just like you couldn’t believe what you were told about the Rush kid and LaSalle. See, we are two peas of a pie.
The behind the story as to how Imhotep came to be was not even directed to you but you bit the worm. I copied and paste it here for Tsaf77 and you know what, THOSE ARE THE FACTS OF HOW THIS PROGRAM EVOLVED.. It’s a wonderful story Jive.
I also say thank you to Chaos for explaining there is no lottery system for kids 10th grade and above in charter schools. So I read that to say a kid can transfer to a charter school in the 10th through 12th grade without a lottery system.. Comprehension bro comprehension.. What game will you be attending this week? I like to talk face to face where clarity will not be misunderstood. I bring tailgate, you bring the convo. Let me know.
@jive
They applied before imhotep blow up. When they had space to let kids come in. You probably didn’t know that imhotep was a A school at one time. When they had trailers as a class room. But once they built that new school imhotep didn’t have as many kids as they do now back 2 or 3 years ago when they applied to the school. That’s how they had gotten in so easy they needed to pull kids into the school moving from a trailer type school that was holding about 300 kids to a new school that holds about 500 to 600 now
@Jive
Exactly. My other point did not make it through but if you also look IC SAT’s are averaging some of the lowest scores in PA. Yet, 98% are going to 2 and 4 yr colleges. Data seems impossible yet that is IC’s report based on student survey. The Nike uniforms they wear cast over $20,000 for 3 colors black, red and white. Hard to preach poverty when you wear the swoosh.
IC is a good program with some great athletes but lets not go all Rags to riches ESPN 30 for 30 here.
@ jive wow that was a upper cut, right cross and a combination for a knock out of a statement. Lol
@Doug D ok if you want to play in the past . yes Lakeland did share the big 11 title in 82.People forget how tough of a conference that was, Lakeland Prep and Valley View all finshed 8and 2 Valley View won the playoff spot and won the Eastern conference. what was the score of the Valley View Lakeland game ??
Facts,
Last week Imhotep was playing the #6 team in the country. When you got called on it, you said it was a misquote. Just for the record, that has nothing to do with a misquote. Misread? Maybe. Misinformed? Possibly. Exaggerated? Probably, but not a misquote.
Your next comment is a long advertisement for Imhotep, again with misinformation. You get called out on it and, low and behold, it’s not your comment, you copied it from someone else. You can throw anything you want out there. I couldn’t care less whether you say one truthful thing or not. Just seems kinda odd that you call yourself THE FACTS, and your comments are the farthest thing from.
Lastly, like I responded to ????. So, you are telling me that these kids were thrown out of a school and put into a charter school, ahead of kids on the lottery waiting list, because they could play football? Whether they are doing great or not, that is shameful. You say the Gamecock was the only one that came over on his own accord. Are you saying that these kids didn’t even have to apply to the school, that has a waiting list of close to 1000, and were just put on the roll? The minute they applied, is the minute they went to Imhotep on their own accord.
Every few posts you make, you throw an academic comment out there. I don’t really feel like getting into THE FACTS right now on that, I gotta go to work. Just some quick food for thought. 100% graduation rate, AWESOME!!! Problem is 49% are proficient in reading, and 28% proficient in math. This “school” is pushing kids through, and sending them out into the world without the basic skill of reading, or the skill of doing math, when they have their shoes on. Next time you wanna give me a “times yours”, I’ll see if I have time to really dig, and drop some more knowledge on you.
@the quite on,
THANK YOU!!!!! Finally somebody gets it. Every school does it, OK, move on. I said it before, and I’ll say it again. Washington got a pass for years, Wood got a pass for years. Now people want to make an issue of, or deny, something that has been going on since the beginning of time.
Being a Charter School teacher, I can tell you the process Jive. All Charter Schools have a selection process for incoming students but the lotteries held in every Pa Charter School is for 9th graders only. Each grade afterwards, from 10th to 12th, must be capped at a certain number. Charter schools must maintain this number for funding but not exceed it. So as a school loses students, it must replace those students with incoming transfer request. EVERY school is audited by the state for accuracy. So if a school loses students due to any reason, they can replace them with new students not exceeding the cap.
My comments are not being posted…
who cares what school or what program the kids come from. I’m just tired of the holy then thou people who think their programs do the right thing. Im sure if a David Williams type player was available in any district ever your team he will be welcome.
HEY TR , THANKS FOR POSTING BACK. YEA I WAS AT THAT GAME AND WAS ONE OF BEST ONES FOR ME THIS YEAR. NO MATTER WHAT COCALICO WILL BE GOOD IN THE PLAYOFFS AND THEY MAY MEET UP WITH THE BARONS AGAIN. ITS SUCKS THAT THIS SITE ONLY TALKS ABOUT PREP,CATHOLIC,OR JUST THE BIG SCHOOLS. BUT FOR ONE THING THIS IS THE BEST HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL WEB-SITE.. TALK TO YA LATER ,, GO BARONS
@Jive,
Look Dude, I copied that comment from PaPreps because a poster claimed that Imhotep was like Eastern Christian David Sills; meaning they are privilege and have a lot of resources/funding and all IC kids are hand picked.. So that post was for him and I felt it may have relevance here.
The two kids you mention besides the Gamecock kid had unfortunate situations that forced them to change schools before the current coach was even thought of coming to IC. That happens to every catholic/private school in the city and is not a PIAA violation. Both kids got a second opportunity for redemption and both are doing well in college. So SIR, where did this poster lie?
Time yours….
@?????,
That’s fine, I understand stuff happens. However, we are talking about a charter school that has a lottery. So what you are saying is that “problem students, that were thrown out of a school”, get first dibs because they can play football? That is shameful!
@ThatPhillyGuy
I didn’t throw up the 2010 roster, did I?
@phillyboy, nope Wilson’s streak is number 2 in PA. One of the Philly suburban schools is around 60 winning seasons straight, Ridley? Someone will have to help me on that one.
@Buddy
We’ll played imhotep game. Imhotep put up a great fight. But the 2 tD’s that was called back killed imhotep.
@Jive, check your records, both Goode and Chavis transfered into the school as 10th graders a full year and a half before the current coach came to the school. That makes it a bit of a stretch if you want to say they transferred over with the coach.
@jive
All thoses kids that you named left west cause they had gotten kicked out expect for Dave. But I know this because I was there they where asking for apps and once try left west they went to the best pub team cause they was on scholarships there.
Boxer13,Did you go to the Cocalico game ? Man,that was just like a playoff game.We got some redemption against Cocalico and Hempfield this year. Now we owe LS a little payback as well this Friday. Kind of amazing that Cocalico had mercy ruled 5 teams in a row with basically a running team. I thought Cocalico might be in trouble if you stopped the run,no small feat.
@ blowaway, I could not agree with you more. I saw the downingtown east game, very sloppy performance. They have a good defense, but the offence needs work. There was no blocking for the run game and the passing game needs work. A concerned Coatesville graduate.
So what do all you rabid PCL fans think of this weeks results.
Imhoptep may not be the best team the country has ever seen?
Maybe Prep just get lucky?
One can now only conclude that Prep will destroy LaSalle?
C’mon boys, let’s hear some conclusions & excuses.
MANHEIM CENTRAL WHO’S RANKED 7th COULD BEAT MOST OF THESE TEAMS THAT ARE RANKED RIGHT NOW. THOSE BOYS ARE BIG AND COACHED VERY GOOD. WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM ROLL THREW PLAYOFFS AND MAKE IT TO STATES. I THINK THEY NEED TO GET SOME CREDIT ON HERE, NOBODY TALKS ABOUT THE AAA TEAMS THAT ARE POWER HOUSES. GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE TEAMS FOR THE REAT OF THE SEASON .. MANHEIM CENTRAL BARON FAN .. LETZ-GO-BOYS
Facts, 1 kid, ONE sir? C’mon man, stop with the rhetoric. Which ONE is with the Gamecocks? Is it Najee Goode? Is it Shahyodd Chavis? Is it David Williams? These are kids I know for a FACT came from WC. That’s without even looking at your Silary rosters. I know you mean well, you are proud of where you come from, and proud of who you are. Isn’t that enough for you? Why lie? All you do is give people ammo when you throw out all of these absurd FACTS. I don’t care if the kids wear a shirt and tie, an African dashiki, or go to school naked. Why is it so important to you to make things seem to be so much more than they are? It’s 2013, the only color you should see on the field, is the color of the jerseys.
Is anybody watching coatesville?
why are they ranked number 1 or 2 in the state
they will not even win districts!!!!!
To many penalties and the same old plays over and over!!!!!
A coatesville fan
@ the quite one
i said that i couldnt. not everyone is as experienced as you.
@ facts that’s really good to know about Imhotep because i didnt know that.
@ joe what are you Tsaf spokes person really, hes a big boy he can handle himself in here. Joe to respond to your statement no you couldnt handle a team of star players. People think it easy but its not, you have to be a dad, mentor,disciplinarian, phycologists and there coach so no Joe its not that easy.
@ facts well said, its amazing to me how some people say things and when called on it they didn’t mean it that way. Athletes great or average needs a coach that can lead them and mold them. Every sport team doesn’t do things the right way it was drawn on the board. Barry sanders a Micheal Jordan the list go on but that’s what make them great. A football play meant to go through the 6
hole a running back see the opening through the back side hits it and score is he indiscipline or does he have good vision.
@ mgguy
Very cool. Do you happen to know if that is the longest winning or non losing streak in PA? I remember when the Dallas Cowboys had 20 straight winning seasons and the Nebraska Cornhuskers had a long streak going too that was snapped a few years back. But 50 straight non losing seasons is awesome.
Here the FACTS concerning the Imhotep story as posted on another site..
I’m going to tell you a story. It’s a story rich in the American tradition. It’s a story that touches the very nerve of what it is to serve your community. It’s the true definition of the American Dream and what it means to overcome adversity.
About 9 or so years ago, four Philly Firefighters got a bit tired of seeing the youth in the Northwest section of Philly behaving badly towards one particular school because they wore “corny school uniforms” (as the kids would say).
These brave heroes responded to this school one day for a medical emergency. While there, they told the school principal she should start a football team because it will help keep the kids active and off the streets. She in-turn placed the responsibility back on those Firemen by stating if you start the process, we will be interested.
Through donations, time, energy, struggles, personal loans, old helmets, cleats too big, cleats too small, over-sized shoulder-pads, the local trashman who jumped on-board to coach and provided couch pillows wrapped in duct tape from old thrown out furniture as blocking shields, donated chin-straps from the Philly Soul, donated blocking dummies from the dumpster of temple U, a dust bowl for a field, no locker-room (still don’t), no equipment storage room (still don’t) kids changing clothes in any degree weather (still do snow or rain), kids getting off drugs to play, kids turning their lives around to go to college, kids living in homeless shelters now with scholarships, kids running laps around drug-dealer filled corners who scream at them for support, kids being robbed while at practice, kids being stuck up for cell-phones but don’t retaliate, and one of the BEST HEAD COACHES to ever coach in this league whom Crosby replaced due to receiving a higher position at the school….. These Firemen build a PROGRAM.. A program that you see today.. A program where coaches are there for the kids and not a paycheck..
Then Crosby comes and adds steel framing to a concrete structure and makes it more stable. Only one kid came from WC, on his own accord, and started for Imhotep Sir…ONE!! And he’s a Gamecock now.. Crosby inherit a good young team and made them a GREAT young team. Need proof?
2013 VARSITY roster–> http://www.tedsilary.com/imhotepFB13.htm
2012 VARSITY roster–> http://www.tedsilary.com/imhotepFB12.htm
2011 VARSITY roster–> http://www.tedsilary.com/imhotepFB11.htm
2010 VARSITY roster–> http://www.tedsilary.com/imhotepFB10.htm
As you can see, the majority of Imhotep’s 2013 roster were there in 2010-2012. Transfers in here and there but every school has that. Transfers out here and there but most schools have that..
So please Sir, do not diminish, downplay or discredit what these firefighter heroes did with their own time, energy, loss marriages, funding, and aspirations to change a community by changing a school. They got involved and changed lives and this change is putting young-men in college and winning games along the way. With the advancement of social media, Imhotep has become popular, but just like all American stories…. it starts small and unnoticed and eventually gets recognized when its all said and done. Their championship is seeing these kids be successful, so they are 9 year straight Champions!!
As they do everyday, these firemen stuck their necks out to save lives and asked nothing in return but that these young-men stay discipline to life, committed to academic dominance, and lastly play sound football on the field. Thats how they got started.. It was an American Dream that has yet to end and if anyone has a problem with that, they’re not a true American IMO..
Stay safe Brother…..
Uh, btw, those “corny uniforms”… are now worn with pride throughout the city. It’s an African dashiki, comes in your favorite colors; let me know if you want one…
@Jim B, You’re right. That is exactly what I thought relative to conference alignments. So, thank you. That said, its funny Crestwood plays a D11 AAAA team 35 miles away rather than an AAAA team 12 miles away (WVW). Certainly Crestwood can schedule who they want and I wonder if its PMW just because of how the schedule fits together. Still PMW seems like an easy 120 pts to pluck whereas I doubt Crestwood would even come close to beating WVW.
@tsaf77
hey dude
since you like facts brah
Lakeland Valley View and Scranton Prep
shared the title in 82
and yep 87 was a nice nice year too
the year before the state championship was formed P.I.A.A dubbed it the un official state championship
we played AAAA williamsport and Berwick played Tunkhannock in the playoffs
and in the final it was
Lakeland vs Tunkhannock with Lakeland winning
28-15….
and Jim B
Hey man most def GO DAWGS
and about 2001 yeah that was a sad time at chapman lake we beat Meyers 66-0 in the season
and to lose because of 8 starters suspended from the district playoff was rough . the second worst was valley view losing to meyers the very next game in the District final.
currently I just hope we can get back to championship form….
later guys
@ The Facts
tsaf77 clearly did that he wasn’t talking about discipline regarding character. he read talking about discipline FOOTBALL play. he wasn’t talking about academics or any of that other stuff. he meant they don’t play within the defensive scheme in terms of gap integrity and staying with their responsibilities. disagree if you want but don’t use examples that aren’t relevant to his point.
Congratulations to Wilson West Lawn, just clinched 38 straight winning seasons, 39 years ago were 5-5, that was only .500 season since last losing record in 1963, 50 straight non losing seasons. Defending D3 champs lost 19 kids to graduation, says something about coaching and a program. 8 sophmores playing this year.
@ tsaf77
i agree with you completely. i have been to plenty of high school games where fans yell at coaches thinking it is there fault and although sometimes is it is, plenty of times the kids simply miss blocks, miss tackles, etc. There are also plenty of times very talented teams get out coached but the team is just athletically better so they win. i could coach IC and they would be a good team. would they be anywhere what they are now if a nerd like me was there coach? of course not. so clearly IC has a good staff bu. its certainly easier with that much talent.
@tsaf
I agree, I don’t think you played this game before, nor did you ever coached. Because if you did, you wouldn’t say the things you’re saying about coaching staffs. If you believe coaching is all Xs and Os, you are sadly mistaken. Now I don’t know much about IC’s staff but I know coaching!!!
Remember, YOU STATED, IC kids are very talented. It takes a remarkable coaching integrity and commitment to coach a team full of talented players and have them all buy in to your mission.
It takes great leadership skills to keep talented players motivated when they know they can possibly be the star somewhere else.
It takes great coaching to coach inner city kids to be discipline and maintain good grades. That may be a low class stereotypical comment but its a high percent reality.
So I commend their staff. Their kids are productive college players and you never here of misconduct on field play.
I read the Ohio article of the Mooney game where the referees and Mooney’s coaches spoke of their discipline. After the Wyo game last year in Philly, the whole Wyo community that flooded the Germantown stadium all stated they were impressed with the hospitality and discipline of the Imhotep kids. That’s real coaching no matter what the record is. Coaching is not all about the Xs and Os, it’s about character development, mentor-ship, and academic motivation.
As you stated, the talent will take care of the Xs and Os..
@ the quite one
We obviously disagree about the context to which the comments were made. Discipline does not refer to the character or actions of the students of IC off of the field. So please do not take my statement out of context and state the IC kids are not disciplined. We are talking football not every day life. I praised the kids for the talent they have.
The comment was directed at the film in which, for example, gap responsibility is missed or technique had broken down, or there is a lot of “free lancing.” These issues would be more obvious against a team with the same talent however mistakes are seen less when a team has more talent to hide them. Many people see a touchdown or a big play. They don’t see players out of position or missed blocks etc. I didn’t glorify the La Salle coaches, I merely stated that the IC coaches are not better than the La Salle coaches, meaning they are at least Equals if La Salle has the same talent on its team. I also pointed out that there are a lot of good coaches and staffs just like IC’s staff however they are judged on Wins and Losses. They are not judged on having kids in position and the kids just not being athletic enough to stop their opponent. Because that happens frequently at the High School level but dissipates at the College Level and the Pro Level talent is almost equal.
@Jim B thanks i did not know that the WVC was broken down to 3 divisions
@phillyboy,
Wood girls basketball had won 3 or 4 in a row, also other girls in AAAA. Boys basketball has produced numerous state championships. Pretty sure there was at least one soccer championship, baseball, lacrosse, etc. If you read the domination comment fully, you would have read that it was not about just football, but D12 as a whole.
@Jim B
I know their not in the same division ( some people still think it’s Division I and II in the WVC still, it hasn’t been for a few years ), but every AAA team in the wvc plays Valley West except Crestwood. Just doesn’t make sense. I understand most teams want 7 conference games and 3 OOC games but they should still play each other.
Rollie, MarkD, Rob
http://www.piaad2.org/staticpages/index.php?page=20130801160925610
That is the link to the WVC standings, straight from the PIAA.
You will see the WVC Football standings. Three divisions. Again, Crestwood and WVW are not in the same division.
Rollie
You are wrong. Buy a Wilkes-Barre newspaper and look at the official WVC standing. The WVC has three divisions based on school size. AAAA, AAA, AA/A. Crestwood gets away wit it because they are not required to play WVW.
This site and northeastPafootball both still list the WVC as division 1 and division 2, but they are wrong. Maybe that is why you are confused Rollie.
@Dave Mika
My pleasure, Dave, I thoroughly enjoy EasternPAfootball. I do not know, however, if D1 will correct the rule statement, or the points awards; I did eMail them for a possible explanation. Keep up the great high school football work!
@tsaf the statement u made was disrespectful to the coaching staff of ic. Then in your statement u glorified Lasalle coaches, why is that. To say which program has better talent or does a better job coaching is a terrible thing to say period. But u don’t stop there you added more ic kids do not have any discipline. My question to you is do u know the players on the team? Please dont do that some of the inner kids get a bad rep as it is but because their winning they are not discipline wow.
Thanks Kmac. I updated the link.
General
PIAA District One has posted their initial playoff standings as of 10/2. I have emailed them for clarification because it appears they are not following the bonus points rule they stated for 2013-14. They are awarding not the “previous” wins as the rule states, but also wins after a specific game by a winner to a team that lost. ???? Examples, I figured Pennsbury, C B West, Spring Ford, and North Penn; and in each case their totals are higher by the wins teams got after they beat the mentioned teams. For example again Pennsbury is 40 points high by the 4 wins Easton has which also includes the win over the Falcons, but three more AFTER that. The same for the other teams; North Penn is getting points for ALL of LaSalle, Wood, and St. Joe wins. This is not how the initial rule reads. I do my own standings and sure hope to get clarification.
@Jim B-WVC D1 is made up of AAAA & AAA teams while WVC D2 is made up of AA & A teams. I get why Crestwood plays 2 Lackawanna teams, North Pocono and Wallenpaupack…they’re both AAA. Why though does Crestwood go outside its conference (and district) to play AAAA Pocono Mtn West of the Mountain Valley League (Dist 11) instead of WVW? PMW is 35 miles from Crestwood as opposed to 12 miles from Kingston. Mark D and Rob have extremely valid concerns. I think the answer is because Crestwood wants to pile up 120 playoff points and made a bet 2 years ago that PMW would be worse than Valley West. Its the Curry model. Play patsy AAAA teams to pile up playoff points to get a high seed. Coach Myers is a smart guy.
@ the quite one
I do not understand what is so foolish or uncomprehending within the statements I have posted. To also make a statement that I have never played a day in my life by what I wrote is a juvenile analysis based on no evidence provided by you. Not that I would ever need to explain my experiences with you but I have been around the game a long time and played/coached with some of the best in PA whom are mentioned on this site almost daily. I will leave my rant of experience aside.
To clarify my statements that you addressed on the coaching vs. talent concept, I feel talent, especially the talent of a team like IC, far greater outweighs the coaching. If you actually read my comment to the end, I said Coach Crosby from IC “is a good coach and also the IC staff.” To organize and motivate the kids is no easy task however talent eases this tremendously and makes any coach look great. My comment was directed towards a statement that stated the IC staff was basically the reason for the teams success and not from the talent pool of the IC team. So, if you think my statement is foolish, that is your prerogative. Just watch IC on film, I see more Athletic play than I see of sound and disciplined coaching.
If anyone can give imhotep a battle in the lehigh valley it would be catty they average 52 points a game im hoping they can get a hold of imhotep
I don’t know, it seems to me you guys are exaggerating the success of D12 in the PIAA. Since they joined in ’04 D12 has won 2 state titles in any classification. That’s okay but hardly domination.
Mark D
WVW and Crestwood are both in the WVC, but in different divisions. The WVC is broken down to three divisions- AAAA, AAA, and AA. It is NOT, and hasn’t been for many years, Divison I and Divison II.
So Crestwood is in the WVC AAA. WVW is in WVC AAAA.
Mark, I don’t know how Crestwood gets away with it but they should play them
D11, I’m not talking about just football. D12 is not on the cusp of anything, they simply have dominated. When I say dominated, I refer to championships/championship appearances. Do they win every championship? Of course not. Look at basketball, boys and girls, D12 domination! Just had a state champion wrestler from Father Judge last year. Holy smokes, will there be some whining out there if D12 learns how to wrestle. Look at the number of districts, sports, championships over the time since D12 has joined PIAA. The percentages would lean way past cusp. D12 may not win every championship, but there sure are a bunch of folks out there that wish they never joined the PIAA.
Can anyone tell me why Crestwood doest play Wyoming Valley West i thought they were in the same divison ?
Will the Imhotep/Eastern Christian game be filmed/streamed this weekend? It would be a great game to see. Please post info. for those that would know.
Philly has done more than anyone in a short period of time? While they are on the cusp of doing it they are not at the level of CB West, Berwick, ACC, Mt. Carmel, Southern Columbia etc. If they continue they absolutely will be, and it appears their is no end in sight, but they are not their yet. The same things that the philly schools are being accused of, so were the teams above accused of. It’s not a geographical thing, it’s a WINNING thing. Those schools were all successful CB West was accused of recruiting, ACC and Berwick were acused of recruiting, Mt Carmel and Southern Columbia were accused of red shirting kids and stealing kids from Shamokin. It is the same thing being said about Philly. Did these things happen? Yes I am sure but not to the degree that they were accused of. The same thing of the Philly schools i something going on, sure their is but not to the level it is debated about. WINNING recruits itself, WINNING breeds WINNING.
RRMark, the fact is the rest of the state wanted the Philly schools in; they thought it would be a cakewalk.
Once the PCL schools joined in 2008, the state found out otherwise. They found out some good ball is played in the Philly area between D1 and D12 PCL schools. Today, it takes close to a miracle for D11 to get past D12 in the states.
It’s really why D11 has been pushing for the playoff format to be changed; so they can avoid the D12 match ups
@ TS AF your statement is foolish and it let’s me know or at least it make u sound like u never played a day in your life. Then hell let the kids go play and let the coaches sit in the stands and watch.
@ RR marks Brother why do u keep coming at Imhotep neck? Did they play or beat your team? I just want to understand that’s all or is it more to all your rants about the school. I can tell u this if it was the 80′ through the 90’s then you would be complaining about northeast high, Washington, Frankford and central high and mastbaum high because those where the dominant schools with the talented players that recruited from the area Imhotep is in as well as other area in philadelphia. RR marks now that’s football men if it was basketball then just hang it up west philly speed boys simon gratz high southern high the state wasn’t ready for the talent that was in philly then. Now Imhotep dominate in football and basketball deal with it.
@RRMark, is there a board in the state you haven’t been on crying about Imhotep?
You define being riled up; get a new act, this one is old.
RRMark, you serious? Philly schools have done more in just a few years in the PIAA than any district in that short amount of time. I actually get a kick out of your anti-Philly rants. That’s just me though, I like a good joke. That’s why I read your posts.
@RRMark should be easy to build a legacy if the players give up as quickly as you do.
Someone once told me I can’t prove another mans ignorance but I can let them keep talking to prove it for themself. Therefore I’ll turn the floor back to you.
Interesting article I found about the Imhotep/Wyo game and Crosby supplying Wyo with motivation.
–Wyomissing states its title case on the field
Imhotep coach’s comments come back to haunt his team in loss Saturday.–
Link:
http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=434214
I love getting the philly crowd all riled up. I know, I know, they are bitter that they haven’t made a good showing yet in states (apart from prep/charter/Catholic). It’s not their fault the system wants to give them a little boost… a hand up to get to Hershey and taste the chocolate kisses. Maybe one day they will have a history of champions like Berwick, CBW, ACC or Mt. Carmel. They can only dream.
@Jim B,
Trad is not the only person on here that thought the fake punt was shameful. It was the icing on the cake after the end of the half fiasco. Maybe the icing on the cake was Curry jumping around, crying like a baby, when his team got stuffed on the goal line, up 36-0. Humble winner? Is what you refer to as humble?
I have had 2 posts not go through so far this season, both this week, both knocking Curry. Is this a Berwick site? Lou Holtz coached men that got scholarships worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. He coached against men with the same benefits. Do you know why they’re called college men, and high school kids? Because high schoolers are children! I’m not one of them people that thinks everybody deserves a trophy for participating. However, a little respect, towards these children, would be a noble thing.
LOL @RRMark This Imhotep discussion is hilarious! Why you mad bro?
Let’s talk about current football.
Trad
We will never see eye to eye on this topic. You see it as poor sportsman ship, which I respect and understand, and I see it as a no risk opportunity to practice a trick play in a game situation. To me, it’s you that is missing the point. To the victor, go the spoils. That’s how I was raised. I was taught to be a humble winner, but when you are getting your butt kicked, there is not much you can say. IMO, losers blame refs, complain about being disrespected, and make excuses, etc etc. I prefer to keep my mouth shut, and let the butt kicking serve as my motivation to get better.
I don’t feel sorry for Sellingrove one bit. If they feel disrespected, they should go to Berwick and win next years game. That’s the greatest revenge.
I agree “some teams are blessed with a lot more talent and maybe have more years of coaching experience on their side than the other”. But, the way I see it, some teams prepare better, sacrifice more, work harder, and have a bigger desire to win then other teams.
@RRMark, by your argument, you imply that any school from a big city with open enrollment policies should play at the AAAA level. Does that even make sense to you?
You’re right you are entitled to your opinion, but come with facts to support them. Otherwise you still sound like its whining and giving up.
@tsaf77, can’t answer your question about the schools admissions policies, I don’t work there.
I do agree with phillyboy, the kid Anzelone was the best athlete on the field that day. Totally dominated. Wyomissing was a better team that day and deserved to win the game. Goes to prove that a small town team can beat what some have termed an all-star team. You just helped me debunk RRMark’s theory of Imhotep world dominiation, thanks.
@ phillyboy
You can lose a game and still have good coaching. You can lose 8 games and still have good coaching. Great coaches and programs in PA have had losing seasons having the same people on their coaching staff that they had when they won state titles.
The point I made which was just reinforced was that talent propels the team to wins over coaching at the High School level more times than coaching will. When great coaches have the most talent on the field they usually finish undefeated. The issue I had with the Facts was that he boasts coaching is why they are winning. Watch the La Salle game on youtube and tell me based on the film who the more talented team is. Also, La Salle is a more disciplined and better coached team however they did not have the talent that IC possesses, hence why they lost the game.
Which is why I stated to “give it the the KIDS of IC” as the reason why they are a power. I am sure coach Crosby is a good coach and also the IC staff however he and his staff are not greater than La Salle’s, Berwick’s, Dunmore’s, Southern Columbia’s, Aliquippa’s, Wyomissing’s, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc……………………………..
@trad31 i think if you dig a little you find that the fake punt was a payback for something that happen a few year ago.As they say what goes around comes around
@Jim B you are missing the point. It’s just a low move and i don’t really care what Lou Holtz did or said because he is not the end all be all when it comes to football. And you say don’t get down 36-0 to a team if you don’t want that to happen. Well obviously some teams are blessed with a lot more talent and maybe have more years of coaching experience on their side than the other. Its not that easy to say “don’t get down 36-0”. the kids for selinsgrove were trying their best. All you can ask for. I wonder how Berwick would have liked it last year if WVW faked a punt in there game. Or in the 2009 district semi’s when Abington Heights destroyed berwick 53-19. Don’t think it would have been appreciated. Also, you don’t have to keep reminding us every post about what Berwick did in the 80’s and 90’s. They were good. We get it. We all know.
What is the population that Imhotep draws athletes from? If it is comparable to suburban and small town schools, great. That’s the way athletic cookie crumbles. But if they do attract students from a much more populous and wider area, much like a Div. 1 college team can draw more with scholarships etc…, then they need to move up in class or play in their own athletic association.
Let me put it one final way. Say the PA state education system or whoever decides Parkland High in Allentown with 1300 male students is too big and should be split up into Parkland East and West. Both will now drop down in classification. But East gets to keep the best football players and can draw from all the potential players they used to draw from. So now they have AAA enrollment but the same AAAA talent pool. But West has to build a team only from their new school district boundaries and the kids that currently live there who don’t decide to go to the new juggernaut East to play football. Do you think it is right for East to compete in a lower class?
As to the question “Who are you to tell me or anyone else where I can send my child to school?”
I certainly have no say in where they attend for study nor athletics. But the PIAA certainly has the right to decide they don’t belong in AA or in the PIAA at all for that matter. And I certainly have a right to express that opinion. Sorry to tell you, but that is exactly what will eventually happen. Maybe not this year or the next. But it will happen. And any of Imhotep’s championships should then get an asterisk next to them like a Barry Bonds juiced HR record. Until then, we will play the teams that we have to.
As for quitting on my team… well, I will leave that comment alone. Good luck to whatever team you root for. And I will root for whoever is playing Imhotep this week. Fair enough.
@Jim B again let it go like you said a
lakeland fan living in the past thinks you a Valley View guy.Hey Doug he one of your Berwick Bulldogs they did share the Big 11 title in 81 and 82 losses to Valley View both years 87 was their only team that won an A title. if you keep it up he only going to tell you how they had a close lost to Blakey in 63 so like i said let it go
Wyomissing also had a lot of talent. In fact, they probably had the best all around player on the field. Alex Anzelone had a scholarship to Notre Dame and then decided to go to Florida. tsaf77, is a team allowed to lose one game and still have good coaching?
DoudD,
First, I am NOT from Valley View. Lets get that straight.
Second, no one outside of Chapman Lake cares what happened at Lakeland in the 1970’s or 1980’s. Sorry to be the one to break that to you, brah. Lakeland never won a state title, and never reached a state title game. Valley View, Dunmore, Riverside, Dallas, heck even Hanover Area with their State Title, and one title game loss (I won’t even mention Berwick) are all more accomplished programs. It’s 2013 and Lakeland is a NON FACTOR. Doug, stop living in the past, and learn to evolve. Now you are reduced to boasting about close losses to Mt Carmel and Northern Lehigh? That’s desperate Doug. And how can you seriously compare Lakeland with Dunmore? You’re the one listening to Bob Marley and smoking something while you are at it. Doug, Dunmore has one state championship, and two title games losses. You know what everyone outside of Lakeland calls that? State Level Success! Which is something Lakeland has never experienced.
Oh ya, glad you mentioned your boy Evan Kraky. I was up there at Chapman Lake back in 2001 for a playoff game versus W-B Meyers. Remind me how that game turn out Doug? I really had fun jumping the fence and ringing that victory bell you guys have in the back of the end zone! It’s just too bad Kraky dumped your best shot at that state title down the drain. lol that!
PS. We can, at least, agree on Berwick. I am, and have been for many years, a George Curry fan.
@tsaf77
Calm down, I merely stated an opinion based on the perception of all their kids being elite; I am American and I have that right to an opinion. Last year I believe IC was 14-1 and they lost to a GREAT Wyo team who also has great coaches and they were 16-0. So what you’re saying is very irrelevant to the rant of RRMark to whom I was addressing.
Now, as it was told to you before, there are no boundaries in Philly. Washington High can get kids to attend there from anywhere in the city. I graduated from a NE school and lived across the city. I had to catch two buses and the sub each way each day. You are clueless to Philly’s system. This also includes Northeast, Central (depending on grades), Lincoln, and Frankford who are all able to accept kids from ANYWHERE in the city without a lottery. That’s why the Charter/Catholic advantage argument doesn’t hit home in District 12. They all have opportunities to the pot of gumbo..
You can relax..
@ Doug
Get your facts straight. Lakeland did not win the Big 11 in 82. The Cougars crushed your Chiefs. Valley View had the most Big 11 Championships in the Division until it ended in 97. By the way, how did your Chiefs fair in the 1990’s?
@ That Guy Philly
I have been misinformed about the Philly SD and boundaries as others have told me that Philly has specific boundaries to attend their schools and charters are able to gain any students within the entire Philly SD.
The question then about Imhotep, is do they accept the majority of “known athletes” to the school and cut out others in the “lottery?” Is that question too obvious!?
So by just taking the quality athletes in the “lottery”, you can have an AAAA quality team and only maintain AA numbers. Not exactly playing fair but playing within the rules based on this. Something the PIAA needs to address?
Basically, if the “best athletes” get informed that the former WC coach is taking over IC which would cost them nothing to attend and they are great football players from the many talented youth programs, they can just attend IC and create the powerhouse that has already begun.
@ Facts
If you think IC is good because of coaching then why didn’t they beat Wyomissing last season?! They are obviously the MOST TALENTED team in PA (and were last season also) as their coach boasted about having more D1 players on one team than anyone else in the state. It is pretty easy to motivate 4.3 speed and D1 talent. If you think this team is good because of coaching you didn’t watch the La Salle game. I watched it on youtube. IC is not even disciplined on Defense. Give it to the KIDS of IC! They are an awesome talent that should not be stopped with their team speed. The IC kids are fantastic. How dare you think the coaches of IC deserve more credit than the kids! Take your coaches and let them take the Schools of the Future team over next season to a state title this season. All they need is motivation right!
@ Jim B 🙂
first things first
my goal is most def not to brag about Lakeland’s Championship years. but for you to say the 70’S ment nothing is clearly crazy dude…further more we entered the big 11 in 1980 and buzz sawed everyone including your valley who cougars 43-8 and we also won the big 11 81 -82 -87 how about in 2001 when our state passing leader Evan Kraky and company
HAMMERED valley view 32-0 oh yeah forgot were nothing and onto states the mighty mount carmel just getting past us and also northern lehigh nipped us 10-7 in the other state game 2 years later …with northern lehigh coming within 6 points of almost beating Darrel Rivous and Alaquippa in the state title game so.. no shame here brah 🙂
haha we don’t come close to Riverside YOU MAKE NO SENSE !!!
You say we don’t come close to Riverside because they made states in 97 and 2010
well chief WHO beat the healthy VIKINGS in 2010 besides CLAIRTON haha LAKELAND 21-20 FOR THE DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP at Riverside week 9 your lost dude
also we don’t compare to DUNMORE ??? lol
I guess you went on vacation from 2000 to 2006
when Dunmore who was HAMMERING teams except LAKELAND infact they couldn’t beat us in 11 straight games regular season and D-2 AA TITLES
fact’s brah look’em up…..
have a great week Lakeland hater
GO CHIEFS….. DAWGS and TIGERS
just an idea: put some Bob Marley on and listen to ONE LOVE….might cheer ya up big guy ;P
WHO DAT? …WHO DAT?… WHO DAT? THINK THEY BEAT THEM DAWGS !!!!!
Best of luck to all P.I.A.A HS football teams
at the end of the day its just a game .
win or lose we all have to go to work on monday
just enjoy life 🙂
be kind to others and do your part to make America the BEST IN THE WORLD .hey bro if you look at it that way were on the same team as AMERICAN’S so I guess its a small world after all
USA….USA …USA…USA
You’re correct Jive.. It wasn’t factual it was misquoted. They are ranked #6 in the state of Maryland as per MaxPreps.
Facts, #6 in the country? You gotta change your name my man. Eastern Christian from MD is 4-1, ranked 302 in the country. Should be a real fun game, but when you are giving us The Facts, you can’t miss a ranking by 296 spots.
Jim, did you compare Curry to Lou Holtz? Hold on, give me a second to go back and read it again. You can call it vision beyond the game, hell you’re entitled to call it whatever you like. Here’s how I call it. Lou Holtz coached men getting a $200,000 scholarship against men also getting a $200,000 scholarship. Curry coaches boys, and gets his thrills by kicking other boys when they’re down. Great role model! You can throw out there every game he won, every great player his teams have beaten. On Friday night his team won the game, Curry took a big loss in morality.
@facts
I heard the same this may be a great game I have faith in imhotep to dominate but in a close win
@tsaf77 I agree that I don’t RRMark means to be derogatory. However I need to ask what boundary lines you think Imhotep may be crossing in terms of students from outside the district. They are bound to the same geographic district that all Philadelphia schools are, meaning that any kid from within the city limits is eligible to apply to this school. So in the statement you made about a kid transferring there from a school like Pennsbury, just can’t happen unless the kid moves into the Philadelphia school district boundaries. This is not a private/catholic school where kids can transfer in from any city/county/state to attend the school. The vast majority of these kids are from low income neighborhoods within the city.
Just heard Imhotep will be playing Eastern Christian High from Maryland (#6 in the country) at Germantown Field Saturday at 6pm.. Oh my!!
Those charter schools might act or seem like private schools but they definitely are not. The bottom line is ‘is the school subsidized and funded by taxpayer money’? The answer: yes. Those schools function like mini school districts. I’m cool with the neighborhood charter schools that guarantee admission from everybody within a certain catchment area but the magnet schools are bogus. First of all, who wouldn’t have success if the most talented kids are cherry picked. Second of all, it lessens the success of the schools from which they were taken.
DougD
Typical Lakeland fan. You’re boasting about Suburban Conference Titles and Division B championships. All those titles you mentioned from the ’70’s and ’80’s were in a horrible Suburban Conference. And everything from 2000 to present are division B championships. Furthermore, what did Lakeland do in the state playoffs those six years you guys won D2 AA ? The answer is NOTHING! Lakeland had a nice program for years, but the Chiefs will always be second fiddle to Valley View, Dunmore, and even Riverside. No one outside of D2 is even remotely familiar with Lakeland. Until they win a state tiles, or even makes a state title game, Lakeland is a non factor on the state scene.
A little more Berwick love.
In the two season of 1996 and 1997, Berwick played five (5) future D1 quarterbacks. Dave Ragone of Cleveland St. Ignatius; Byron Leftwich of Washington, D. C.’s H. D. Woodson; Matt Senneca of Allentown Central Catholic; Matt Smoker of Manheim Central; and Rod Rutherford of Pittsburgh Perry. Four were defeated. Only Dave Ragone was able to beat Berwick.
In 1998, St. Ignatius from Ohio came to Crispin Field. Berwick gained 511 yards and won 30-28.
Trad31,
No excuses for Curry. He certainly doesn’t need me to defend him, as I would say his record speaks for itself. (400+ wins, 6 state titles, 3 national championships, produced dozens of D1 players) IMO, if you dont like a Berwick faking a punt when you are down 36-0, don’t get down 36-0 to Berwic. Play better, and don’t point fingers.
No excuses for Lou Holtz either. Like I said, if you read the Holtz autobiography you will find Holtz himself talking about how he would fake a punt in a blowout for the two reasons I mentioned below. It’s called having vision beyong one game, or the regular season. Yes, George is looking well beyond the regualr season.
@ Phillyboy
I honestly do not know all of Wins/Losses with Berwick’s out of conference results. I know They were undefeated in 92, 95 and 97 so they were perfect in those crossovers. I would imagine they would have losses to those types of schools. Berwick did only lose 13 games throughout the 1990’s with 3 losses coming in 1999.
@ OL Coach
I think what RRMark is saying is taken in a more derogatory way then what he means. IC is a great program that has put together a great team. That is not even debatable.
The fact they are considered AA classification is debatable. The fact that some people on this site call them a “public” school is laughable. Because that would mean they would have to follow public school regulations to which they don’t. Especially concerning boundary lines of a public school district.
Also, no you can’t live in one public school district and send your child to another without that schools approval and you pay the per/pupil rate to the school you plan to attend. The administration of the school you are leaving also has to approve of you transferring to that school in order to participate in athletics. That is how it works, especially if you school district is not a failing one. For example, if my son attends Abington Heights and wants to transfer to Dunmore, I would need administrative approval for my son to participate in sports for that season. I would also have to pay the per pupil rate to Dunmore for the transfer if I am still living in Abington Heights.
In Philly, that may be how it works however I would never let my son leave a school like Pennsbury just to play football at Imhotep. The academics are not comparable.
@ Jim B are you serious with Berwick? First of all they already did the fake punt in a blow out once this year so if your excuse was that they needed it on film, they already have it. #2 you say its going to be in the back on the coaches minds for the teams they have left to play but the teams that they play from now until the end of the regular season are so bad that they will probably never have to even punt in a game. And even if those teams were good you don’t think that they would be prepared for a possible fake punt??? you’re just making excuses for coach curry.
@doug your right valley view is terrible but i not on here talking about all the A titles yes A not b titles that they won in the past and handing out tickets to the state title game base on some scores you saw on TV so what the answer have you seen any of these teams play ?
@RRMark, it’s old.
You state that schools the same size as IC can’t field a team with the same roster size.
Why, because you say they can’t?
You’ve already stated that IC should only have 1 feeder program; kids from other programs would have to attend other schools. Who are you to tell me or anyone else where I can send my child to school?
Hate to tell you but IC will only get stronger in the future. Coach Crosby is very involved in Philly youth football and city youth will want to play for him. Don’t forget, Coach Crosby has been at IC a little over 1 year; the bulk of this squad was there when he arrived.
As a fan, you’ve already quit on your Rough Riders; it’s a good thing the Wyomissing folks didn’t quit last year. Whining on here all year about IC may make you feel better but a real fan would know there’s always a game to be played; they would relish the opportunity to take down the mighty Goliath.
I remember HD Woodson from Washington DC coming up to play Berwick in the 1990’s. They had an all-world QB named Byron Leftwich (maybe you have heard of him). And Curry and Berwick beat them.
Woodson, Glen Mills, St Ignatius, Bishop McDevitt, etc etc. Berwick always wanted to play the best.
Imhotep should get credit for scheduling Cardinal Mooney (Ohio) and LaSalle. But much of their schedule is cupcake city. It’s like a patisserie. The bottom line is they have not won anything yet. If they start winning state titles handily then maybe they should consider moving up a class or two voluntarily. If I’m not mistaken, I think a school is allowed to move up a class but, of course, not down a class.
@ tsaf77
Just curious, specifically how did Berwick fare against the out of state powers like Iggy and St. Xavier?
Just a point towards those that say Berwick played cupcakes. George Curry was one of the first coaches in the state/country to schedule out of state powers in the late 80’s and 90’s to the schedule. All of Berwick’s non-conference games were renowned from Ohio’s St. Ignatius, St. Xavier etc. to others from surrounding states. Do some research before you make comments as ignorant as that. They weren’t USA Today #1 twice because they played cupcakes.
CB West was also a great power in the late 90’s with ’98 arguably being their best team.
@ joe
What it did show is that Easton is more of a one player team than I thought.
Emmaus is a pretty good team though. Would Easton lose to Northampton without Simpson? No.
However, if teams like Whitehall & Parkland stop Simpson, they win.
If your team is a one man show ( like Easton with Simpson, Pennridge with M.Class, CB South with Adams), your in a world of hurt at Playoff time.
Good defense will hold your ” superstar” in check.
@Jim B let it go if his thinking is that d2 only sent Ron Polous to a major collage it that time period it shows he has no real knowalge of football of that period in this area % wise to population we probalty sent more than D1
@MARKd
I watch plenty of football and have played in the glory days . I know facts when I see them
when BERWICK beats a very solid wyoming valley west team trust me there’s nothing left to talk about except how much you don’t like or respect a solid BERWICK team .
and as far as my CHIEFS yep our rebuilding team did lose trust me there’s no shame . hey how about your valley view cougars getting HAMMERED by a half and half SCRANTON team 35-7 lol good one bro!
haha and then most def your coug’s WILL get smashed by Abington Heights and DEF Scranton Prep
haha Coach Danoto will run circle’s around
them.
as for my LAKELAND CHIEFS having won the
District 2 “AA” Championship 2000 2002 2003 2004 2006
and the Division Championship 1971 1972 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1987
2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2010
also beating a completely healthy RIVERSIDE
team who was HAMMERING EVERYONE in 2010 on their way to the STATE CHAMPIONSHIP with Clairton
may I say RIVERSIDE was winning late in the state championship game 24-0 before losing 36-30 …going to RIVERSIDE and LAKELAND Winning 21-20 in week 9 and claiming the division title the vikes went 14-2 one loss coming from BEAST CLAIRTON the other was LAKELAND
So trust me you can be a clowny browny and make fun of my Chiefs but trust me its water on a ducks back buddy . as long as Lakeland does their best were proud of them ALWAYS !!! GO CHIEFS
almost forgot good luck saturday at the PIT
you’ll need it.
as for me having BERWICK and SOUTHERN COLUMBIA
as close second favorite’s I respect coach Curry and coach Roth and wish them the very best .
have a great week and God bless
Everyone,
Please stop bashing Berwick for calling a fake punt up 36-0. A blowout win is the PERFECT time to call a fake punt. Two reasons Curry called that play. Number one, it’s a no risk situation to practice what could be a very useful play in a real time game situation. Number two, every opponent Berwick plays going forward now has to prepare for the fake punt. Berwick put the play on film, and it now will be in the back of their opposing coaches mind.
Read Lou Holtz’s autobiography. That’s is right from his playbook. Holtz faked punts in blowouts many times.
Had the opportunity to catch both PCL 4A games this past weekend. Looks like another great LaSalle/SJP match up in 1.5 weeks. SJP RB #7 is a freshman and looked like Gayle Sayers against Roman. That is saying alot, simce Romans Kelly and Chaney can chase down cheetahs. LaSalle is loaded with skill players on offense. Shurmur will need to make quicker decisions against Preps fast 7-8 man rush. It is going to be a high level state game, let alone a league game.
I know it is a week premature, but the rest of PCL 4A is not of the caliber of LaSalle/SJP. Although the remainder of PCL 4A is better than the recent past.
@The Facts,
Sure, there is more to winning than talented athletes. Imhotep has model coaches and a model program. But size and speed matter too. You keep bringing up all those youth programs Imhotep has at its disposal. They can exploit that talent pool for all its worth. The best athletes out of that bunch all want to go to Imhotep to get more interest from colleges. The other charter schools in Philly don’t seem to care as much about football. Might as well put St. Mary Charter School for the Blind up there too, lol. So to list all those other schools is pointless if the best players with a choice of area schools to attend don’t want to play for them. But Imhotep is probably the only school of its size in the nation with 90 or whatever players on its roster. ONE THIRD of its total male enrollment. That would be like Parkland High up here in the LV with nearly 1300 male students and a football roster of 430 of the best players taken from all of the Lehigh Valley. I think they would win a few games. Imhotep does not belong in AA playing teams that can only field say 35 or 40 football players from a town population of 6000! Anyone who says otherwise is smoking something.
@ Buddy
but as a slight hater of emmaus i get what you mean. they seem to think they won something other than the 5th regar seasom game. they are 3-2. they need to realize they will probably lose to easton in the playoffs if simpson is not on the sideline.
@ Buddy
Yes Simpson was hurt but it was still an impressive win. Does it make them top of district? no way. but it certainly makes what looked to be Eastons district championship to win much more intersting. to be honest i had already thought of easton as pretty much a lock to be the D11 rep but not so sure now. not saying they cant or wont but still very interesting.
@Theories&Solutions,
Where I do agree that going half speed is a disaster waiting to happen. Half speed equals full hurt. This is why I think the score is a disgrace. The back-up QB threw one pass, a TD pass. There is no good reason on this planet, that you can give me, as to why that kid threw the football. Clock was running, with mercy rule in effect. You use your full 30 seconds in between plays and let it run. You don’t put up 22 in the 4th quarter. There is absolutely no way that can be defended. I don’t care if it were their freshman that put up 22 in the 4th, coaches could have and should have controlled it!
WITHOUT A DOUBT,
From 1988 to 1997, D2 had 10 state titles. They were, by far, the most dominate district the first 10 years of state playoffs. How can you say Berwick played a cupcake schedule when their district won so many playoff games and titles? Just curious, how many titles did D1 have in that same period?
Now, 1998 to present is a whole different story.
Don’t crown yourself anything yet Emmaus.
I’m sure you know why you beat Easton right?
Boy do these SE guys can’t get it right about Eastern High School Football. Half of the season is over and the worms are coming out of the can. Leave it on the field after game 10. Then the real talk begins when match with equal or better teams. Only the strong willed, well prepared, well condition athletes will prevail onward in the playoffs. But to talk about all this nonsense now is just plain childish especially for mature adults.
@ mark d & @RON
Listen, its obvious that you are upset by the reality of the facts…Mt. Carmel, Valley View,North Pocono, & Dallas could have competed with anyone in the state? Keep it real. CB West had to win the Suburban One league(also formerly the Bux Mont) just to make it to the playoffs. They would routinely roll through the playoffs because of they were so used to playing the highest level of competition every week. I can recall one year they won the State title game something like 56-7. Total domination, and they did it against the big boys. They sent countless players to major college programs and to the NFL, not one (Ron Paulas). As far as USA Today goes, they were nothing more than mythical championships at a time when high school football ratings were only in their infancy, nowhere near what they are now.
@RRMarks
RR, I swore when I dropped you off your rant you were finish crying over spilled Hennessy. OK, once again because you just provided the EasternPa Community with FIVE (count em…5)reply post and neither of them responded to the FACTS that:
THE FACTS:
-The 2012 4A Championship was played by two Public Schools..
-The 2012 2A Championship was played by two Public Schools..
-The 2012 1A Championship was played by (wait for it, wait for it) two Public Schools (one with the all-time win streak)..
-The 2011 4A Championship was played by two Public Schools..
-The 2011 1A Championship was played by two Public Schools..
This, RR, clearly blows your Charter and Catholic advantage theory out of the water.. Now, did you read the rest of my FACTS? I clearly showed you how (even asked you to Google it) there are a number of high class productive youth programs in the district of Imhotep. These youth programs have the BEST youth Coaches in the country (PROVEN FACT BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF TEAMS THAT GO TO FLA EVERY YEAR). But, they don’t all go to Imhotep, they are spread out throughout the whole city.
IMO, Imhotep is good because of excellent coaching. I truly believe, just like CATA and the Quips, if a kid is an average player, these coaches can motivate them to win. Some of the GREAT staffs are able to do that. It’s not magic, it’s coaching.
Now, here’s another theory to sip your cognac on. School of the Future is a charter school. Are they included in your charter and Catholic school advantage theory? How about this:
Would you include the School of the Future in your equation of unfairness?
How about Roman Catholic?
How about Delaware Valley Charter?
How about Egan Catholic?
How about Boys Latin Charter?
What about Bishop McDevitt?
How them Gratz Charter Bulldogs?
What about Furness Charter who is a 4A school that is a combined total of (wait for it, wait for it) FOUR HIGH SCHOOLS for 3 different Districts.. WHEW!!!
Now, RR, check their current standings here–> http://tedsilary.com/FBstandings13.htm <– and tell us in one post (your sporadic-ness is disturbing) do these schools have an unfair advantage..
@ Jive
I completely agree with what you are saying about the PCL teams and success compared to Imhotep. These teams are great teams but do fall under the same perimeters.
The question is, where does Imhotep fall, some people on here actually call them a Public School, which is comical. Public funding does not justify public school academic assessment standards or boundary limits. I agree with you that they should fall under private/charter category.
I am not by any means downgrading their success. I feel it is a disservice to them playing for an “AA” title when they should be playing for an “AAAA” title based on their recruiting and abilities as players.
Not taking anything away from the coaches at Imhotep or other PCL schools or across PA for that matter. Coaching goes as far as talent will take it. If you don’t believe that then you have never coached HS in PA for very long. The greatest coaches in our state namely the George Curry’s and Mike Pettine’s etc. have all had their wars with attrition within their squads and believe it or not had down years. You can only do so much as a coach but you can do more with talent than without it. There is a reason why these coaches are coaching High School kids and not major colleges or pros where they then show their vulnerability.
@RRMarks great I’ll root for Catty to face Imhotep in the semi finals then. As I said before, you live where you live by choice. The population of your area must not be able to support multiple youth programs to feed your school sports, or if they do you haven’t educated me to that fact. But in the big city of Philadelphia, there are many youth teams and the kids from those teams have choice in where they attend HS, be it LaSalle, St. Joe’s Prep or even High School of the Future. Now if these kids happen to want to go to a school with competitive athletic programs so that they can better their chances of attaining a college scholarship so be it.
Still waiting to hear an argument as to why a team should be forced to move up in divisions because they are successful and have a bigger pool. All I hear is whining from a kid pulling up in an old beat up Chevy Nova who can’t get the girl cause the rich kid pulled up in the Benz. It is what it is until a real argument is presented.
@rrmarks sound like your hate for the top is aimed the wrong way. Every high school team in the city also have a pick of the litter. I’m sorry if there’s one only one pop warner organization in these area. You see there so many done here because coaches get tire of the same structure or command and branch of and start a new team. Well I say to u tell the unhappy coaches up there to do the same. That’s all simple, easy as pie but don’t think for a minute imhotep get all the horses. There are kids that dont want to go to imhotep because they are afraid of hard work and want the job givivg to them. RR marks like I said before just because u are a star at the pop warner level doesn’t mean u will be the same in the high-schools level its coaching.
@tsaf77,
I think recruiting has a great effect on a teams success. The only reason I brought it up was because it seems every excuse is coming out of the cupboard to bash this team. If you’re gonna give Wood a pass on recruiting for the past 5-6 years, don’t start yelling from the rafters now. I’m not a fan of Imhotep, but the constant excuses as to why they are better than other teams is brutal. Same things have been said about LaSalle over the past few years, and I defended them too.
One last point. Let Imhotep and other charter or prep schools pick ONE youth program (the closest) to get players as do all the schools defined by school districts in PA. Let them play by the same rules. And sorry if anyone is offended by my calling them an “all star team”. That is a criticism of those officials who are allowing this situation, NOT on the kids at Imhotep. The kids have no control over that. And I seem to be singling out Imhotep. But that is only because they play as an AA team. I am against any team that has an unfair size/talent advantage being included in the PIAA state football tournament.
Imhotep should not be in AA. Case closed. Common sense tells you that they have an unfair advantage. But rabid Philly football fans want so badly to see a non perochial inner city school dominate at states that they are willing to do whatever it takes. I bet they cheered with a fever pitch after ever one of Imhotep’s 83 points over Future.
As for Berwick faking a punt up 36-0… You practice that in practice where it belongs, not in a blowout game. In the case of Imhotep’s 77 point win. It only reinforces the fact that they have an obscene competitive advantage in AA falling outside the spirit of PIAA regulations.
@The Facts
You prove my point that Imhotep has the unfair advantage of a talent pool many times larger than the vast majority of public schools in PA at all levels. Hence, they beat a Future team 83-6 after pulling starters at 40-0 early in the game. Furthermore, they have the ability to recruit talent from outside of their immediate area. That amounts to compensation in the form of enticing athletes to play on a team stocked with elite talent and a good shot at winning a title. You play for us and you’ll be a champion. As of now, PIAA defines a non amateur and ineligible player as one who (or parents) receives “money or property”. I think that should include enticement via other means as mentioned above.
LOL.. no, I am not a Quips fan. That is why I am on the EASTERN Football forum. I am a proud Catasauqua Rough Rider. I just think the Quips will most likely end up as the western rep against the philly all stars.
Ah RRMark now I get it, your Quips. You sound like someone pumping themselves up for a big game but prepping the excuses just in case it doesn’t go your way.
How about we let the kids play the games and in the end if your Quips and The Tep face off we let the best team win instead of trying to denigrate what Teps program is doing. By the childish name calling of All-stars you diminish the accomplishments of these young men on the field.
Good luck to your Quips and I’m rooting for them to face The Tep in Hershey. These two programs have the making of an epic showdown.
@ all
I’m gonna put this out there to give props to a great football coach. Someone in an earlier post asked the question, “Where is the feeder school for La Salle?” “They pull all the talent from the area public schools!” Well go look at the CYO program for St. Genevieve of Flourtown, St. Philip’s in Lafayette Hill, OMC of Chestnut Hill. The St. Genevieve Wildcats. Check the names out of all the players. The Buckleys, Feleccia, Kerrigans, DiGiacomo, Maginnis, Magarity, Loughery, alot of the names you pick will be from that CYO feeder program run by a great coach named “Doc” Dougherty. He is in the PIAA Football HOF and one heckuva guy. So don’t say that the Catholic schools take from the public. CYO kids feed the Catholic league.
@ With Out A Doubt Berwick in the 80 and 90 a cup cake schedule !! Did you see any on their games back them i got news for you the MT. Carmel Valley View,.North Pocono,and Dallas team of that time could play with any one in the state
@Doug D oh wnep that a real good judge of the strenght of the teams that Southern And Berwick are playing you compare Abington games to Berwicks even the WVC guys will tell you the conference is weak . my advise is get up off you couch and my be see a team play before you start awarding state champs.Hey what was the Lakeland and Susquehanna score ?
@ Without a doubt, Why did USA TODAY name Berwick in 1983 1992 and 1995 as # 1 high school football team in USA ? Because they DESERVED it !!!
Garnet Valley cruising right along!!…Go Jags!…Good Luck vs Penncrest!…..
@RRMark
You sound like a brokenhearted husband crying in his beer begging the bartender to give you another round..
THE FACTS:
-The 2012 4A Championship was played by two Public Schools..
-The 2012 2A Championship was played by two Public Schools..
-The 2012 1A Championship was played by (wait for it, wait for it) two Public Schools (one with the all-time win streak)..
-The 2011 4A Championship was played by two Public Schools..
-The 2011 1A Championship was played by two Public Schools…..need I go on?
Sorry Charlie, your theory does not hold water and your facts are merely speculation based on the perception of a school having the same talent as the MIGHTY-MIGHTY QUIPS & POWERFUL CLAIRTON who both are small public schools mind you..
Now,next round is on me Buddy, and I got the keys.. Try not to drop a tear in your suds on that one..
Oh, one other tidbit, Imhotep High is sounded by SEVEN of the Top 10 Youth Football Programs in the City and arguably the state. A two mile radius at least.. 3 of these teams made it to the Fla Super Bowls (unheard of) Google it!
Also, did you know Philly has middle school football.. YES, they do! Did you know the championship team plays in Northwest Philly where Imhotep is located (Leeds)? Yes!! Hurry up, ask for another round, LAST CALL!! Did you know there are only two High School football programs in Northeast Philly? Yes!! Imhotep and King (whose on their way to being a powerhouse)..
Come on buddy, time to go home.. I’ll drive..
Jeez, quit with this “school choice” BS. That is for academics. Athletics has its own regulations and rightly so… to keep things equitable and competitive so kids enjoy their chosen sport and have a shot at a championship. I’m actually happy non catholic philly team can finally give their kids a glimpse at the glory North Penn, CB West etc… have attained ethically over the years. They didn’t have to build an all-star team to compete. They did it the right way. I am saddened that Imhotep’s kids are being taught that winning is more important than the spirit of competition. If my team can’t beat em… Go Quips!!! Beat those all-stars.
As for being bitter. I have seen the same 5 teams come out of D12 since they’ve been included in PIAA. They are all prep, charter or catholic schools. The best of public in recent years, GW, got smoked when they faced D11. Give me a holler when your public schools show up for a game.
@ TRAD
about Berwick”s pounding of the Seal”s
up 36-0 and faking a punt . Ok this is how I
look at it . try different plays to get ready for states in case a fake punt is needed in a clutch
game . just like years ago Coach Curry has his “AAA”DAWGS looking like a fine oiled BUZZ SAW
like wise Coach Roth and his Southern Columbia Tigers they as well are the BUZZ SAW of class “A”
best of luck DAWGS AND TIGERS .
and to all the haters deal with it their
B”AAA””A”K!!!!
There is absolutely no doubt that the best high school football teams in the history of Pennsylvania were the CB West dynasty teams of the 80’s and 90’s. 2nd place not even close. Berwick? They play that cupcake schedule against teams that they totally overmatched. Some of the teams mentioned below were very good teams, but no match for the Bucks.
Don’t forget about the 2011 Archbishop Wood team, many CB West people compare that team favorably to their best teams.
@ Kmac
I never saw any old Berwick games. I remember they were highlighted on ESPN’s Scholastic Sports America show back in the 80’s. Got the DVD for CB West’s ’98 and ’99 state title. I saw that ’04 PCC team in person when they annihilated Neshaminy. If they had pressed it they might have won that game by 70 points or so. When I watch that CB West DVD you could tell they were special and playing at a higher level than what I have seen lately. I would give honorable mention to the ’03 SJP and North Penn teams.
@ Jive
Jive, just observing your input that recruiting doesn’t have much effect on the outcome of a teams success. Well I guess Mack Brown (Head Coach for Texas) has it all wrong when he says “It is not about the X’s and O’s but the Jimmy’s and Joe’s.” My point is, when a school has an opportunity to take in more talented players than anyone else, they will most likely win the game.
You are right about the mountain schools, they have the same kids playing in their programs for 9 straight years before high school. Problem is, they only have the kids that are in their Pop Warner program. They don’t get the #1 kids from 20 Pop Warner teams. That is why New Jersey has a separate State Championship for Private/Charters. I am not saying one is better than the other as I think Imhotep is a nasty team this season, as they were last season. They should have to play in AAAA division. Or draw a boundary around where their kids can come from like every other public school district.
@Jive love the post. It goes to my other point and that is coaching. You are right these kids don’t grow up running Imhotep’s system. In fact if you look at most of these youth teams they don’t run anything near what Imhotep runs offensively or defensively. But what they do learn is to compete. When they get to Imhotep they get the chance to compete under the eyes of a large number of coaches and to be taught. You can’t discount the teaching when you can have 1 or more coaches for each position group working with a kid.
@Rollie-
Thanks. Respect PGrove and what Pennypacker teaches those kids about football and life. The same for the SFord Coach and his staff. I appreciate your comments. I apologize if I misconstrued your initial assessment. I still don’t think they lost composure except for the tack on… It was a war all night long.
Good luck the rest of the year!
Not somuch…
I wasn’t trying to take any shots. I have lots of Spring-Ford friends. I was merely commenting on what I saw. Sincere best wishes for Spring-Ford. Loved it when they made it to the district finals last year and loved it when the girls won the state hoops title.
@Jive
Imhotep benched their starters in the middle of the 2nd quarter. Their JV team put up those points. I would agree with you about the disgrace but I put it on the School of the Future because for 2 1/2 quarters, it was all JV.. I even saw the 2nd string kicker playing. #20 only had 3 carries I believe and #22 had 2. What can the Imhotep staff tell their JV? Don’t compete? Don’t score? That’s how players get injured.
@Unknown
Shame on DelVal.. I heard this may give Imhotep a bye next week due to suspension.
I will not comment on your post as I have way too much respect for Pottsgrove, both Coaching staffs and the way both teams played Friday night.
I do not accept your unauthentic apology and you are able to have your opinion.
Good luck to the Falcons the rest of the Season!
Nicely put jive, gotta agree. On another note, I am a D3 and Berks County fan, a shout out to Fleetwood for their win last night, 2 weeks in a row they knocked off an unbeaten, first time ever in first place half way into a season. There is more to football than just a few teams.
Just gotta chime in on this one more time. When you look at the youth programs, as far as pound ball goes, the area of the city where Imhotep is, is pretty good. Here’s the thing about the youth programs, or as some people are complaining about, lack there of. Most schools up in the mountain areas have youth programs that directly feed into a particular high school. Them kids will be together from 1st through 12th grades. They run the same offense and defense as the high school teams. I don’t care how many Pop Warner teams are around Imhotep, they don’t run Imhotep’s offense from 1st grade on. I think I’ve said this before, but I’ll say it again. Two years ago Holmesburg had the best midget team (180lb 8th-9th grade) in the country. That team feeds Lincoln and Judge, how is that working out for Lincoln and Judge? Last year Somerton midgets were second only to a team from upstate NY. Don’t think the NY kids are going to school in Philly, so hands down best around here. That team feeds Washington, how is that working out for Washington? Stop trying to find an excuse as to why a team is better than yours! People can go on all day about recruiting, but you have all given Archbishop Wood a pass for years with it. Which youth teams feed Wood, Prep, LaSalle? I have an idea. You wanna hit Imhotep where it hurts? Tell your team to go out there and beat them. Until that happens, let the kids play football, and enjoy it. Remember West a few years ago? Remember how much fun they were to watch? Sit back and watch Imhotep for a game. Love em or hate em, they are fun to watch.
@jive
We’ll said jive and try to tell that to RRMark
@ jive Turkey hey I’m beginning to like u man, we all have our right to agree and district agree but that last statement was nicely put and a mouthful thank you
@ RRMARKS IN PAST YEARS BEFORE THE PUBLIC WAS ABLE TO COMPETE IN STATAE PLAY THE PUB WOULD OF DOMINATED PERIOD. Its not our fault that we live in a major city and able to have multiple youth teams. But that’s just pound ball what about the big guys they can’t play because of their size. Those kids go to these schools they try out some are good some are not but good coaching get them to the status of all american or a serviceable player. Well that statement now ask us can inmhotep coaching staff coach. Well the answer to that question is yes. Just because u have talent dosent equal a championship or d-1 players. The hard work a staff put in with their players does.
Move up to AAA or AAAA? Imhotep plays in the Philadelphia Public League, they can play in any class and win their regular season games by 50. 22 points scored in the 4th quarter yesterday, when they were already up 60, is a disgrace. You guys know I’m not a fan of Imhotep at all, but stop with the complaining. Somebody actually brought up the ACLU, are you serious? The freakin ACLU? I understand the guys outside of D12. You guys are bitter because all D12 has done is come in and dominate, in pretty much every sport. Stop with the complaining and the excuses. If you don’t like competition, leave the PIAA and have a competition for your own little plastic trophy.
I am a HS coach out watching yesterday between Roxborough High vs Del Val Charter and man was its a disgrace, what u witnessed was an all out brawl not even a half of football played. Both teams should be disqualified and there head coaches should be fired Monday morning. There was absolutely NO discipline on these teams at all, both benches cleared on the sidelines of Roxborough as the fight was totally out of control. Kids swinging helmets an punches being thrown all over the place, what was the worst part was it was Homecoming for Roxborough so there was family an kids that had to witness that. It’s a shame and it’s a definite black eye for both schools no pun intended. I hope some of these kids don’t think they will play in college after yesterday cause something needs to be done and this can’t happen ever again.
@RRmark cause catholic schools suck the talent out the pub by offering scholarships but now top athletes have imhotep to go to youth teams like nw raiders 2 time runner up pop warner Super Bowl is where Imhotep practice and the kids sit on the side and watch. They look at them practice and say I’m going to imhotep. Imhotep is the type of school now where they don’t need to recruit they come to them and try there best to get in the school but catholic schools take all the talent out of the pub mainly Zaire franklin, Thaddius, Etc I could go on with this ….
So RRMark, I’ll first address your statement about why haven’t Philly public schools done well historically. That’s easy, coaching. The public schools generally only use teachers as coaches and then there are normally only 3-4 of them and sadly most of those have historically only been out there to get the extra pay. Catholic league schools for years have had had extra volunteer or paid assistants who don’t work at the school. If you look at Imhotep’s sidelines you will see 12 or more coaches working on game day. If most of them are there every practice, that’s a ton of teaching and coaching going on every day. And oh by the way, most of Imhotep’s coaches are not paid but volunteer with the team.
Now for your point about most of the other areas only having a single youth feeder program. Are you really going to tell me that you want to penalize Imhotep or any other Philadelphia area school, because of the population loss and lack of a pool to get kids from in other areas of the state. That’s almost laughable. Bottom line is school choice has been in place for a long time and up until district 12 came into PIAA play, it really wasn’t an issue for most around the state. The areas who can compete do, those that can’t complain.
The only reason I can see why the PIAA hasn’t changed the rules is they are afraid of getting sued by the ACLU etc… on discrimination grounds. Of course, Philly schools would stand no chance on the state level without such an advantage. They probably will start combining public Philly schools athletically so they can compete too. What a joke. Well, much like the rest of our nation has become the past 5 years.
@phillyboy
Your posting about Berwick (1992 season), CB West 1998 season and Pittsburgh Central Catholic 2004 season stirs fond memories. I had the pleasure of seeing those three teams in person and have always rated them as three of the best teams I ever saw; and PCC 2004 as possibly the B E S T high school team I ever saw. Downingtown 1996 when it was all one school is up there also. Of course there were many teams I did not see although O’Hara at Wood this afternoon will be my 866th game. Thanks for stirring fond memories.
http://www.lewistownsentinel.com/page/content.detail/id/518570.html?nav=5129
@the quite one
Let them dominate at AAA or AAAA then and compete where they belong like all the other teams with 90 player rosters.
@That Guy Philly
You prove my point. If you have a larger population from which to recruit athletic talent, then you have an unfair advantage, regardless of enrollment. The vast majority of schools in the state have only 1 youth program to foster athletes. And if Philly is such a hotbed of talent, why have they been largely unable to compete at the state level? Only a handful of teams come out of the city that have historically even hoped to compete with the top teams in districts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 11. And most of them have been catholic, prep and now charter schools. This in spite of their large population pool.
@RRMark do you know how many youth football programs are within a short commute of Imhotep? Did you know that several Pop Warner national championship have been won by these teams over the past 5 years. That’s several, not one from a single area of the country. This is a hotbed of talent.
@ Jim B
Berwick also won the USA Today title in 1995. They won it in ’83, ’92, and ’95 and North Hills in ’87. Obviously the rankings are an art and open to a lot of subjection. I think the ’98 CB West and ’04 PCC teams were arguably the best in the nation.
Not So Much…
Glad you’re not commenting on the officiating because it would be laughable to think that the home team from a vastly more affluent school district was getting “it” from the refs…in the league’s marquee game of the weekend.
As far the composure comment fine, apologies. They didn’t lose it. Multiple Unsportsmanlike conduct penalties are not indicative of that. Their best player didn’t play because he wasn’t injured.
@rrmarks they will still dominate if they move to three or four a. Please majority of the players live with in four mile of the school why travel to northeast, Washington, and Frankford where there’s a two to three buses to catch when u can walk or mom can drop u off in 10 min.
@SteveS, you shouldn’t make statements that reflect negatively on a coach (like running up scores)and then say you were just “embellishing”.
You said Rinella was a senior not me, I know he’s a sophomore and I also gave you his name, it’s Rinella not Spinella. If you were credible, you’d at least get the basics right.
You were asked to specify when coach Gordon left his starters in up 35 points as you had stated he did numerous times; you can’t name one instance. Enough said.
Wow, 90 on the roster?! One source has Imhotep’s male enrollment at 285. Yes MALE enrollment is the important number. The percentage that play football is approaching 33%. ONE THIRD… That just doesn’t make sense.
@That Guy Philly
I sure can hope for fair competition within classifications that make sense. If over a quarter of your male enrollment plays football, and it is not due to some freak football frenzied town phenomenon, I think there is something wrong with being lumped in with teams dressing half as many.
@Mark
Why move up cause a lot of students wanna play a sport at a school and imhotep dresses most of them but imhotep enrollment is only about 600 or 500 kids in the school and about 90 of them play football
Imhotep has great kids, great coaches… a great program all around. That is not what I meant by “brand of football”. All teams should play by the same rules as far as how their rosters are comprised. Classification can no longer simply be defined by enrollment numbers alone. In a public school, the number of male students who wish to play football is defined by those male students who wish to play football and live in that district… cut and dried. In a prep or charter school, male students can transfer into the school simply to play football. Hence, you see an Imhotep have twice as many players on the roster as some other AA teams. I say Imhotep should be in a higher classification without a doubt.
Philly boy,
Berwick won two USA Today National Titles, ’83 & ’92.
@Rollie Ciffo-
PG had 34 yards at half. On 20 plays. They had 60 on 40 plays at the end of the 3rd. That is a FACT. I wouldn’t be so boastful comparing them to Berwick.
I won’t comment on the officiating, because it will not change the outcome and it would diminish a great game on both sides. But it was interesting to say the least.
I would NEVER call out 16, 17 or 18 year old kids on losing their composure. But you chose to do that on an on-line forum. You DON’T know those kids. I find that very disrespectful. You have your opinion, and that is fine, However, your view and analysis is very myopic.
It was a hard fought game and both teams deserve better than your analysis. I wish PG well moving forward. They are a good football team and well coached. It was a battle.
Imhotep 83 !!! Points in one game starters came out in 1st quarter 40-0 in 1st quarter
@o l coach
Look back at Ryan, Judge, RC last year. I embellished some scores but when you are up by 3or 4 TD’s, put the kids in the game. go back to 2010.
Spinella is a sophmore. Substitute in Tamar Turner. Irregardless these guys saw limited to no time last year and as seniors should have had some decent playtime last year.
LaSalle 28 – Arch Ryan 14 and it wasn’t even that close. LS lead 21- zip at halftime and dominated. Ryan nowhere near ready for prime time.
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@TRAD, Don’t worry about Berwick. They won’t lose another regular season game. The only team they have left with a winning record is WB Coughlin (who was destroyed last night by WVW 56-14…yes, the same WVW Berwick handled a week earlier.) Essentially, Berwick has 5 scrimmages left. They can use the balance of the regular season to attend/scout Scranton Prep & Abington Heights & design game plans specifically for those opponents. I’m sure he’s probably not even worried about the D11 opponent. If he can get by SP/AH all he as to worry about is the winner of D1/D12 district champs for his return to Hershey. The Curry plan is falling into place nicely.
Pretty excited about Berwick. Looks like they are ba’ack. Would love to see them take out Wood in the playoffs. Berwick, I think is one of only two PA teams to have ever won a mythical national championship, the other being North Hills.
Btw, can those PCN games be streamed on the internet for free, even for those that don’t have the cable channel?
Also, does anybody know if SJP still live streams their games? Can’t they make up their mind; seems like it changes every other year.
What is with Berwick? Up 36-0 in the 2nd half and on about 4th and 9 they do a fake punt (is not the 1st time they have done something like that this season with the game clearly out of reach). I really don’t understand it.
@rrmark, do you still get milk delivered to your house too? Come on times have changed and you either adjust or go the way of the dinosaur. Imhotep’s team, regardless of what you feel about charter or catholic schools, plays a great game of football. I’m laughing at all those people crying about the charter and catholic schools now, but were begging for school choice 15 years ago. Ya can’t have it both ways.
Pottsgrove (5-0, AAA, #9) with a big win over Spring-Ford (2-2,AAAA) 14-7. Penalties and turnovers were the story. PG coughed up 4 and SF couldn’t take advantage. SF killed themselves with 159 yds in penalties (mostly unsportsmanlike conduct) on their home field. PG held their poise where SF kind of lost theirs.
PG’s defense held SF running game in check (along with Jarred Jones being “unavailable” according to his coach). SF shutdown PG’s pass offense…except for the 1 TD pass.
Devastating loss for SF. It hurts their PAC-10 chances and loss of valuable playoff points. PG’s like a less accomplished Berwick taking advantage of the AAAA teams in the PAC-10 to garner huge playoff points that will get them a high seed in the post season.
PG’s got a good chance to win D1 AAA. But I can’t see them beating Wood. It’d be nice for the PIAA to flip the brackets and have Wood/D12 play the D2/D4/D11 rep.
@ PCL fan
My friend, please don’t insight a riot from the LSalle faithful. I’m worried your post will engage a Betty Ford Clinic admission!!
Magarity received that concussion EARLY, as in 1stQ/1st Half of that Judge game following one of his frequent QB “frolics” out of the pocket. Unfortunately Matt never learned to get down once yardage was made and opponents were closing.
Btw: hard to get a concussion when playing DB when you don’t hit anyone or vice versa, look at the tape, it was not when you perceived. Throwing that out there on Coach Gordon is beyond weak, it’s disingenuous..
Magarity was ‘forced’ to sit out most of the season because of it, following PCS protocol.
These are the facts of the case, and they are indisputable..
Time’s yours..
@ MarkD
first things first
my comments about BERWICK and SOUTHERN COLUMBIA
having a better chance at reaching the State Championship then our local’s was most def NO
disrespect to them. also you don’t need to watch a game to see the final score LOL its called WNEP
and with knowing coach curry’s and coach Roth’s
football wizard ways WITH talented teams trust me they will go deep into states .
Also with no disrespect to Abington Heights
yes they are undefeated but who did they play yet?
A rebuilding DALLAS team and a half and half WILLIAMSPORT team the Comets have not been truly tested yet also DELAWARE VALLEY who they beat were also rebuilding . and to Dunmore and old forge I think Old Forge will return the favor of getting beat and beat Dunmore in District’s and either will lose to Southern in state’s hey if I’m wrong so be it if not
best of luck to the DAWG’S and TIGER’S
@stevens thats why i like programs like Imhotep, they play their second and third wave of players on their opponents so they can get the experience.
I love that because when the next season comes know what or who’s on the dept chart. Thats why I love pop warner mandatory play it makes people that coach in some case better coaches. The star of the team doesn’t get over work and force the weak player to get better.
@rrmark what do you mean by brand of football at imhotep. Imhotep has a classy team and staff from what I see. They don’t run the score up on teams that they dominate like other teams do..
@Mike,
I know nothing about Catty, not gonna pretend I do. Any info I get on out of area teams, for me, I get on this message board. I pretty much trust what people say, cause generally they stand by it and mostly it makes sense. Curious about this Bradley kid. First you said you knew his situation because your son works with his father. Now you are saying you know his situation because you teach at the school. Either or would make sense, but why wouldn’t you just say you were a teacher in the first place? Small school in a small town, everybody knows everybody’s business, especially a top player on the towns high school football team. Not trying to bust your stones, just doesn’t add up in my mind. If you’re just a fan, you’re just a fan. Throw out opinions all day, that’s what makes this site so much fun. Just be genuine, we don’t all get along, but I think we all respect each others passion and honesty.
None of the catty kids have d1 offers. I am a teacher at Catty and all 3 of the kids mentioned as having offers we’re meeting with a division coach on Tuesday or Wednesday last week. Bradley is a great kid, but not on the same planet as Persa, and Nosovitch.
I’d like to root for eastern against the western team, of course, but I just don’t think I can root for Imhotep. That brand of football just isn’t in the spirit of PA high school football. I am proud of eastern public AA teams like Wyomissing, Wilson, Pen Argyl, Northern Lehigh, Mount Carmel etc… that have won titles or gone deep into the playoffs. Not so much with the Catholic or charter schools. Whoever lives in that school district and is eligible is who should play. If Imhotep reaches the final, I will most likely be rooting for the western rep.
@ O.L. Coach
Gordon had McGarity in the game in the 2010 Fr Judge game when it was 42-0 he got a concussion playing defense and was never the same that season. I never did understand that move.
Watching Berwick vs Selinsgrove on PCN. Berwick get the ball, up 36-0 with 20 some odd seconds left in the half, around their own 40 yd line. Berwick getting the ball to start the 2nd half. Mercy rule is in effect. So they run out the 20 seconds and go into half with a 36 point lead, right? No, they throw, throw, throw and try to put more points up on the board.
@STeveS, name me the games where Coach Gordon at LS was up 35 and still had his starters in. Thanks.
Nick Rinella at LS is a sophomore not a senior.
@ JiveTurkey
Well put and I agree almost entirely. They are much deeper and more talented then any AA team that I have seen, those schools have much lower enrollments and usually only have 50-60 guys on the team. Their best players go both ways so injuries are devastating because of lack of depth. It will take a flawless performance by another AA team to beat Imhotep in the state playoffs, even then that might not be enough if Tep is on their game.
I’m not rooting for them to win AA. I’m one of the guys that pulls for Santa Clara to knock off Kentucky in March. Just being honest in my opinion on their team. They have a line averaging 300lbs, huge for AA. Terrific RB’s, WR’s, DB’s, LB’s. The only question mark I see is their QB. He struggles on slant routes, out routes, and still is trying to find the “touch” throw. But he is still a heck of an athlete. If their WR’s keep running right past other teams DB’s, he can throw it as far as anybody. Most of us saw the LaSalle game. Chuck it, and our athlete will out run yours, TD. Would LaSalle have beat them if their Syracuse commit LB was playing? I think it would have been a much different game. Machine? OK maybe not a machine, but they’ve been together 2 years, as a group now. In week one they looked as in sync as most teams do in week 10. We will know in a couple months if they are, or are not the best AA team. I stand by what I said about talent, it flat out wins. As long as team, with considerably more talent, plays a decent game, they will win 99% of the time. The other 1% is saved for Disney movies.
Imohtep, Wood, St. Joe’s and La Salle are have talented young men on their teams. The dilemma with some of the teams are the number of “new” players playing at the varsity level this year. Looking at LS, they lost a lot of their key players from the past 2 years (Coleman, Resch, Poquie, etc.). The 2nd string players were not played much last year even when the team was playing under the mercy rule.
What does that cause – a group of seniors and underclassmen who are starting for the first time as varsity players. Is there a lot of talent in the new senior class – absolutely. Look at Levi Hardy, Nick Rinella, Matt Raczak, Nick Buckley – not names that were that prevalent last year but this year are finally showing what they can do. One of you referenced it earlier about putting the 2nd string players in when the team is up by 5 TD’s. I agree – LS wouldn’t be in the situation they are in. Will they get out of it? Tomorrow we will see.
Oh and by the way, even when LS was nationally ranked and won the state championship, D1 schools still weren’t knocking down their doors……. can anyone explain why?
Right off the bat I’m rooting for Imhotep to take the AA state title this year. They’re a strong team, but I would not consider them to be “an absolute machine”. They were fortunate to beat LaSalle.
Wyomissing doesn’t win last year without the kicker making the field goal, the other running backs besides Anzalone, the line opening up the holes, and some key catches. Anzalone was the only D1 on the squad if memory serves me.
@Doug D Just curious with all your bold picks have you seen any of these teams play ?
@Doug D Dunmore or Old Forge might have something to say about Southern trip to Hershey as will Scranton Prep or Abington about Berwicks lots of football to be played i dont think after 4 games we should be punching tickets
I agree with mgguy. It’s way to early to even indicate who has a better win loss record with only 4 games played. Everyone should be waiting until week 8 to really see any contenders. Because a team may have D1 caliper players makes me believe then that team ought to be winning by at least 5 TD’s a game with the second or third stringers playing most of the 2nd halve. I doubt many schools will do this. Team Players yes Team Players are what makes a Team Successful and simple fundamental football teaching. Just take a look over the past year (s) champions. Not many have more than 2 Di caliper players just hard nosed type football traditions. Gentlemen that’s Eastern Pa. Football. Let’s get real………..
@mgguy,
I am by no means a, Imhotep guy. Don’t like the way the team was built, and I have major issues with Philly charter schools. Charter schools are a different conversation for a different day. That being said, Imhoteps team is an absolute machine. I agree with you on the teamwork thing. Wyomissing came out and spanked Imhotep last year, all teamwork. Their 6’3″ 230lb RB/LB had a fantastic game, he flat out dominated. Hands down, the best player on the field that game! I guess him and his buddies are out working on the family farm right now. Oh, he’s not? He got a scholarship to Florida? I thought he was going to Notre Dame. That’s right, he turned them down, along with about 75 other schools. Yeah, teamwork beats talent any day.
Sorry, all this Imhotep talk is getting crazy, best in US, best in PA, 14 D1, let us see this list of players and offers, lets see where they end up in December. A true team will always beat a collection of athletes, team play makes up for a lot. Wyomissing proved that last year and year in/out. Wilson has been going deep into states without “14 D1 offers” on the roster. D12 may have some good teams, but to listen to a lot ofthe posters here the rest of the state should mail it in. Check out the year end computer rankings from last year, other districts seemed to do pretty good.
@Jive
Can we do the over/under instead??
Doug D,
Switch to de-caf.
Steve, D1 is not D1. Buffalo is not Bama. Let’s say the SEC gets 15 of the top 20 kids at each position. Then PAC 12, Big 10, ACC, etc. etc. and down the line. There are 120 something D1 programs, all giving out 25 scholarships. Regardless where you get it, a free education is a free education. If you do get a D1 scholarship, you certainly don’t suck by a long stretch. However, there is a huge disparity in talent between top level D1 schools, and low level D1 schools. To prove your point would be very easy. Next Saturday Oct 3rd, Alabama plays the Georgia State Panthers. We can have a small wager. I’ll take Alabama and you can have Georgia State, even up. Let’s say for a million dollars!
@Joe,
Catty probably would get worn down on defense vs. the size/speed combo of Imhotep especially having guys pulling double duty. They need 2 or 3 more Jared Nosel types up front. But with the skill players on offense, I think they’d be able to put up some points. To beat them, they’d need to play a perfect game and get some turnovers. Wyomissing really impressed me. They had a great team last year. I have not seen Aliquippa this year.
Division 1 is Division 1. Whether is Buffalo or ‘Bama, there’s only ~100 of them with 15-25 available spots each year pending grad class size. A kid being offered a full scholarship to Buffalo to play football is still one excellent athlete!….because the kid he’s going up against will be a Business/Marketing/Science major at Franklin & Marshall next year…also a wonderful achievement, but you get the point!!
14 or 18 of them, you have what amounts to an un-stoppable force!!….IMHO
@Joe none of the catty guys have offers as of this point. My son works with Bradley’s dad. He is talking to Division 3 schools
well the season is going strong and my LAKELAND
CHIEFS are giving it their best and as much as their not as beast as past years of our CHAMPIONSHIP
storied program they are still our CHIEFS and we support them 110 percent .
on to other things I tip my hat to “AA” Carbondale Area who are 4-0 and the only district 2 team still un scored apon. many people will say their schedule
is weak because of LAKELAND and RIVERSIDE going through building years no matter the facts any team that holds ANY TEAM to NO points in 4 games is something to admire so I as a LAKLEAND fan will take the first step in saying good job coach
LARRY and Chargers . For those who don’t know carbondale their last winning season came in the year 2001 and do not have many winning season’s .
that my friends is why this is so amazing .
onto to other teams who I respect the most besides my CHIEFS ofcourse
the BERWICK BULLDAWGS and the SOUTHERN COLUMBIA
TIGERS!!!!
To coach CURRY and Coach ROTH
BEST OF LUCK on your journey to HERSHEY !!!!
I’m very happy watching the DAWGS and TIGERS
DESTROYING teams they play week to week.
My prediction for “AAA” TITLE GAME is
BERWICK VS SCRANTON PREP ….DAWGS 32-7
and in “A” OLD FORGE playing
DUNMORE in the title game OLD FORGE 27-13
then OLD FORGE vs SOUTHERN COLUMBIA in STATE PLAYOFFS ALL TIGERS 44-13
WE WILL SEE !!!
I almost forgot to ALL the WYOMING VALLEY WEST
fans ???? what were you all saying about Berwick not getting past your HUGE LINE in case you didn’t watch the game ummm ya LOST !
GO DAWGS !!!!
Lastly to the CHIEFS dig deep and do your best
GO CHIEFS !!
As of now, which I thing will change after Scott stops stealing the show, he is not ranked in the top 300. I’m not saying Bama is the be all to end all, just an example. But, there are HS teams out there with Bama, LSU, Florida, all on same HS team. From my posts you know I’m a big fan of Bonner. Just not nationally known as a big time back right now. I think that will change next season. He is listed at 5’10” 180, I think that is being very generous. His size, or lack there of, may be what’s holding him down right now.
@jive
True but I heard that Nasir bonner got invited to that nike camp in Oregon isn’t that for top 300 players? And he pulling some interest from Bama
Let’s all agree that Imhotep has a very, very good team this year. However, let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. If the team had the LaSalle name, instead of Imhotep, they would be top team in the nation? 14 kids with D1 offers is incredible! There is a big difference between D1 Buffalo and D1 Alabama. ESPN top 300 for classes 2014 and 2015 have exactly zero players from Imhotep. There are a couple high schools with 3 kids in the top 100, and a few more with a couple players listed in 14 and 15. Best in Philly? Yup! Best in state? Good chance! Top in the nation? No way whatsoever!
Coach Crosby keep his job? Are you crazed? Albie won’t be going anywhere unless he chooses to.
@ RRMark
thats my point exactly! catty could pull the upset imhotep certainly has talent but so does catty!
@steve
In a interview I saw on the lasalle vs imhotep game
Coach Cosby said that if you took imhotep talent and put it on lasalle team lasalle would be top team in the nation but I say this because how lasalle football team is branded imhotep is the up and coming next big thing coming from pa but we could be witnessing a dynasty in the making
Burton will put a hurtin on ya on both sides of the ball. Bradley is a couple inches in height from being a top recruit. But I’ve seen few high school QB’s with his arm strength and accuracy.
Uh, Imhotep didn’t think they would lose last year. All that talent. Wyomissing dominated them. No teams may be as good as Wyomissing this year, maybe Aliquippa, but other teams will rise up.
@Steve,
Agree with you 100%! I think the only thing that can stop them in the near future would be for the PIAA to step in, and impose the “transfer must sit out a year to play rule”. PIAA will not do that because they are one of many that enforcing this rule will effect. It’s not just football, it’s worse in basketball. Until PIAA grows a set, and starts enforcing their own rules, nothing will change.
@ Jive and ????
18 with D1 talent, 14 with offers!! That’s over twice as many than that vaunted Wood class of 2 yrs. ago. It’s unheard of for a H.S. football team.
Not lose to a AA team?? They should mercy-rule every 2A-4A team in this state and should be a 2 TD favorite against the Top 10 nationally!!
The Top 10 teams in the country do not possess that volume of talent. If this team loses a game or has a AA opponent within 2-3 TD’s, it would constitute the current equivalent to the Black Sox scandal. IMHO..
…and it’s not going to change anytime soon. Coaches are shrewd and hungry for continued dominance/success. Why else would they make their presence SEEN and felt at City games/scrimmages of teams not on their schedule.
I would be very surprised with the current structure in place if this school loses anytime in the near future, we could be looking at a DeLaSalle(Ca.) like run here. The only thing that would derail this train would be some sort of coaching/school malfeasance.
I see the district playoff points to date were released. Is there any chance that the D1 AA winner is actually going to play in the sub-regional this year or make excuses like last year?
@ d11 football
Burton has an offer from colgate he will get more soon. ive heard bradley has been talking to division 1aa schools as well. marshall has an offer to akron. dont know what you’re talking about them not being d1.
18 kids with D1 talent, and 14 holding offers, is insane for a Philadelphia HS team. I can’t remember a Philly team that stacked, ever! I’ve watched them a few times this year, and they should not get beat by any AA team. However, if they get caught with their guard down, like last year, does Crosby keep his job?
Catty has no division 1 players. Maybe the MArshall kid at WR, but none of the other players are being recruited by division 1 schools
General:
I just read the bonus point rule for District One from the D1 website. The losing team gets credit for any “PREVIOUS” wins by the victor. I originally thought that the losing team would benefit by the winning teams’ total record, which did seem to be too aggresive. For instance, LaSalle beat North Penn opening game for both. The Knights get no bonus pts as they lost and LaSalle had no “previous” wins. The Knights do not get points for LaSalle’s continuing successes. This makes this bonus points rule more important as the season progresses and more “previous” wins accumulate. For instance, say two class 4A 9-0 teams meet in the regular season finale; the winner gets 190 points and the loser instead of zero gets 90 for the victor’s 9 previous wins. This is the way I read the rule, if I am correct. Thought I should pass it on for those interested, or those already doing playoff rankings as I have. Anyone please correct me if I have erred.
@Dan
Imhotep has about 18 d1 players but only about 14 hold offers so I think that says a lot compared to 3 of them but it should be a good game if catty comes out strong
@ joe
I agree: Never say never. Catty has a very good team and would probably beat quite a few teams in higher classifications, but Imhotep is huge and has a ton of team speed.
@ dan
ok i was asking because i havent seen imhotep but catty has three quality division 1 guys but ive heard imhotep has plenty of D1 guys. obviously you never know with high school football but i guess they are a little outmatched from what ive heard. hey theres been greater upsets pulled!!!
@ joe
Not to disparage Catty, but if they meet Imhotep, there is a better than average chance they will be mercy-ruled.
When do the District standings come out? After Week 6? Thanks!!
Hey mmguy like your analysis except that Mifflin left LL 1 to Berks to have more success in winning. Wilson is staying in LL not only for match ups with 4A teams for power points but with better competition than Berks has to offer year over year. LL is based upon male student enrollment which is reviewed every two years, that’s why Lancaster Catholic is going to LL2 and I believe Conestoga is moving to LL1 next year.
if catty meets imhotep in the playoffs do they have a shot?
The LL is also enrollment based, sec 1 is all 4A except Lancaster Catholic and they are going back down next year. Sec 2 tends to be 3A. One of the big reasons Wilson has stayed in LL is for 4A games, if they came back to Berks too many 3A in section 1. I believe Mid Penn also follows size. From what I have seen schools tend to go with 2 year contracts out of league unless it is a local rivalry (e.g. Wilson/Mifflin).
Thank you Buddy and Rev for confirming what I was trying to say.
Congrats to Garnet Valley 4-0 start!…keep working hard Jags!
@ Buddy
Up in D2, classification matters a little bit in scheduling because sometimes the divisions are changed based on it. More so in the Wyoming Valley Conference where divisions are, for the most part, determined solely by PIAA classification. In the Lackawanna Football Conference, divisions are based partly on classification and partly on competitiveness.
Because what classification a team is has such a huge impact on league and divison scheduling, the entire schedule – non-division and division – is based entirely on the 2 year cycle.
So up in D2, it’s uncommon and really unheard of for a team to change non-conference scheduling in the middle of a 2-year cycle. It just doesn’t happen in D2.
@ Jim B
I heard that exact same scenario regarding contracts being made in D1.
Typical is 2 year agreement, that is the min. So they get a Home & Home. Has nothing to do with classifications. Separate matter.
I believe NP/LaSalle is a 2 year contract that keeps getting re-newed every 2 years.
Senseless to argue OL Coach.
No, I hear you PCL Fan. When we’re dealing with high schools within a big city it’s not as cut and dry. The catchment area may not be based on strict neighborhood boundaries. When a team like Don Bosco though, plays a team down South I’m torn. On the one hand, I’m totally partial to the Northeast but on the other hand I still have memories of that Bosco/O’Hara game a few years ago at Granatell Stadium. The arrogance of SOME of the fans was palpable.
Phillyboy you do know that Central of Miami is a magnet school with open boundaries covering most of Miami?
OL Coach
O’Hara pulled out of the Tep game most likely because they didn’t want to get crushed.
As far as the scheduling, I’m not lumping anything in together. I’ll say this again, in D2 the non conference schedules are set for two years. The 2012 and 2013 schedules are the same. So were the 2010 and 2011 schedules. These two year schedule commitments run concurrent with the PIAA classification cycles. What don’t you understand? The AD’s schedule non conference game for home and home series. They wait for the PIAA to announce the classifications for the next two years, and then find teams to play. Also, I never said teams don’t play above or below their classifications either. What I am saying is that the AD’s don’t schedule non conference games more than two years in advance because they don’t know who will move up or down.
Take Wilkes-Barre Coughlin for example. In 2010 & 2011 their two non-conference games were AAAA Stroudsburg and AAA Valley View. In 2012 and 2013 their non conference games were AAA Western Wayne and AAAA PM East (take note that the PIAA enrollemnet cycles were also 2010 & 2011, and 2012 & 2013). After this season and their two year schedule commitment is over, Coughlin’s AD will wait until Decemeber when the PIAA announces the classifiacations for the next two year cycle. With this info, the AD will then find two AAA or AAAA schools to play for the next two seasons. And the AD can now be certain those two teams he does schedule will remain AAA or AAAA and won’t drop down to A or AA.
Hope this ends your confusion. It is possible other districts don’t follow this pattern.
Good morning I’ve read every ones opinions this season thus far, and everyone has good valid points. But for some division the game play is so weak. I don’t know why some community s and school district let some of these programs go on.
Don Bosco Prep goes down big time. Central of Miami, FL wins 50-21. And Mission Viejo took them out last week. Don’t mess with the public teams.
What an intriguing several weeks it will be for the CL AAAA. All 5 teams will be in contention for the 4 playoff spots. LaSalle and SJP should be shoe ins. Ryan and Father Judge will not be push overs if the the 1st 4 games for each mean anything. Ryan seems like they’re putting up 50 a game and no one has scored on Judge in their last 3 games. Roman will be Roman… fast and athletic. LaSalle is still trying to find itself through 4 games thus far. Can SJP overcome its demons of last couple of years? Buckle up your chin strap and fasten your seatbelt as CL league play begins.
@Jim B, O Hara was scheduled to play Imhotep Charter and pulled out; O’Hara played Del Val Charter instead. Teams change scheduling all the time; there is no “etched in stone” 2 year schedule.
Not sure why you’re lumping in classification with scheduling; they are two entirely different things. Teams play outside their classification all the time
JAY
Wood was winning 42-0 at halftime. Started raining and I left. Total domination by Wood in first half.
It’s impossible to compare and rank teams so early in the season. Rankings have no bearing on outcomes and really do absolutely nothing but infuriate people and make for great reading on this blog. Who cares what SJP or Coatesville is ranked in September? That’s what the playoffs are for.
Really interested to see the outcome of WC vs Wood. I really can’t see anyone in AAA blocking Wood from another trip to Hershey. A rematch with Cathedral Prep would be fantastic.
And not like many readers here will care too much since it’s about the WPIAL, but Clairton’s PA state record 66-game win streak ended this weekend at the hands of the Greyhounds of Monessen… the team the Bears beat to start their streak over 4 years ago… Could it be two in a row? Monessen’s only loss this season is to 4-0 Fort Cherry, who faces Clairton next week.
Go Birds.
OL COACH
Teams can not change their schedules every year. The schedules are set every two years. Each and every D2 team is playing the same schedule they played last year. Just like the schedules for 2010 and 2011, which were also identical to each other. The reason the enrollment cycle and the two year schedule cycle run concurrent is because the AD’s have to wait for the PIAA to announce the classifiactions (usually in December), and which teams have moved up and moved down. Based on those classifications and changes, the AD’s can then make their schedules for the next two years. Again, that is how it works in D2, and D11 for that matter.
OL Coach
Up here in D2 the schedules are set on two year cycles. Teams schedule non conference games for home and home series. Theses schedule cycles follow the PIAA enrollment cycles. Every D2
@Jim B, by 2 year cycle, I’m assuming you mean the 2 year cycle of classifying teams by enrollment. That has nothing at all to do with non-league scheduling; teams drop and add games all the time.
Some leagues, due to the number of league games, don’t leave much flexibility for non-league scheduling but teams have the ability to change their non-league games at will.
Jarrico,
You need more info before you post.The PIAA has 2 year schedule cycles based on enrollment. That means schedules are made every other year. We are currently in the 2nd year of a cycle. That is why this years schedules look a lot like last years schedules. It would have been difficult for Coatsville, or any team, to add/drop teams in the middle of a cycle.
Having the opinion that Coatsvile plays a soft schedule is fine for you to have. Just understand it’s not that easy to simply add/drop teams from your schedule.
PS, I’m from Wilkes-Barre. Not a D1 guy, or a coatsville fan by any means.
@RRMark, I’m gonna up you one and predict their D doesn’t give up a point this week.
@Joe Dobbs
I saw both Old Forge and Dunmore this year, and I like Dunmore as a whole slightly better than Old Forge. Two really good teams though, it’ll come down to the small things to decide the winner tonight. And I have a feeling after watching both that Dunmore has that edge, so I’ll say Dunmore over Old Forge in a close one.
I predict Imhotep will not win this week.
jarrico,
Whoa now, hold on. I don’t agree to disagree. What is your opinion, is the question at hand. You said I added words to what you said, I didn’t. You said that you didn’t make statements that you clearly did. Your response has done nothing to clear up your very confusing comment. If you made the comment after an all night bender, so be it, we’ve all been there. If you meant something other than what you wrote, we’ve all been there too. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, EVEN IF IT”S NOT CLEAR WHAT YOUR OPINION IS! My favorite statement you made was “you stand corrected”. Then you read your own statement again. Did you say to yourself, huh, I guess I stand corrected? No matter how silly or backwards your comment was, you’ll go down in flames with it. You da man, good hustle.
@jarrico
it would be…. “THEN don’t comment…” Love it when a Pub School guy has to correct an educated PCL fan on grammar. Guess the nuns had the day off….or the rulers were in the closet. Appreciate JiveTurkey and his knowledge. At the end of the day, this ranking thing will figure itself out in about 6-8 weeks. It always does and the best teams advance. It’s freaking Sept 19th. A lot of football left this year. Just saying!!!!!!
@jiveturkey, now we’ll get silly with grammer corrections, really? As I stated, ITS MY OPINION! If you don’t like it than dont comment on it! We’ll agree to disagree. I’ll leave it at that.
District 11 is bad this year in 4A. Easton is most likely the best teams (not like we had a lot of success to begin with) but D12 will have no issues with the 3A or 4A D11 rep. The 3A rep most likely won’t get passed the D2 rep. I am sure if it is Easton who comes out they will make the game vs D12 closer than it should be, because of the make up of Easton kids. But we in District 11 are far cry what we were in the 1990’s up until until 09/10. The football is getting worse as the years go by.
@Joe Dobbs Dunmore over Old Forge Buckley is the difference saw him in the West game he was a man among boys !
Hey you D11 guys, you guys think Easton is for real this year? Are they the top dog up there in the Lehigh Valley? What are their strengths and weaknesses?
Jarrico,You state Coatesville plays a weak Chess-Mont schedule,but then again Imhotep plays a weak Public League Schedule!So I guess its a push and CD East is not a Push Over,And the Ville played them last week Beware of Southern Columbia !!!!!!
All a ranking means is your bigger news if you loose,never seen a ranking get anyone to Hershey!
@jarrico,
Here is your comment, grammar corrected, so you can educate me on what you meant.
I don’t understand these rankings? How can Coatesville be ranked #2, when they have such a weak schedule. If you are one of the best in the state, then you should play the BEST IN THE STATE. ARCHBISHOP WOOD, ST JOSEPH ETC. At that point, I believe they will deserve it. 9-15-13.
Maybe it’s me? I’ve read and reread this about 6 times, and can’t figure out what I’m missing here. I don’t think I put any words in your mouth. I’m actually pretty confused. Please let me know what you were trying to say, this is really boggling my mind.
Old Forge (Small School #9*) @ Dunmore (Small School #7*)
Who ya got – and why???
* Eastern Pa Football Rankings
Maybe they are right about Imhotep though.
Albeit a AA team. Not sure how they would fare against some western teams ( like N. Allegheny etc.), I think Wood would give them the toughest game out here.
If Maxpreps doesn’t have Prep, LaSalle or Neshaminy in the top ten in the state then they have no idea what they are talking about. It is a national service and they are not in touch with local talent evaluation. Aliquppa – a AA team? Wilson West Lawn? Seneca Valley? Clueless.
What do you think could happen this week that would really shake up the state, and get people talking. Any teams you see on upset alert
@JiveTurkey, stop adding your own words to what I said, Anybody interested, go back and read the post! I did not say Coatesville should have played wood or that they are the best in the state, so you stand corrected! I stand by what I said which is only my opinion. Coatesville plays in the weak ches-mont division! Since they were the runner up in 4 A last season, you would think they would schedule some tougher games this year to show it wasn’t a fluke, but what do you see ” the usual suspects” Avon Grove, Bishop shannahan, WC east!!! As I said” weak schedule” but it’s only my opinion!!!!
Little surprised not to see Prep, LaSalle or Neshaminy somewhere in that ranking.
Of course, they might know something I don’t, that’s always possible.
Jarrico, Seems to me your Hating on Coatesville,Who realy cares about the Schedules it all comes down to who makes the Playoffs and if they can make it to the Title game in Hershey Right? No need to get all wrapped up on Rankings, Take em one game at a time,and hopfully the yellow brick road will lead you to the Title game,Nough said.
Here’s a link to how Max Preps says they calculate their rankings: http://www.maxpreps.com/utility/about_rankings.aspx
who decides the ranking of the school,and what system is being used.
Maxpreps Pa Top 10 Ranked Football Teams
# School
1 Imhotep Charter (Philadelphia)
2 Archbishop Wood (Warminster)
3 Coatesville
4 Wilson (West Lawn)
5 Bishop McDevitt (Harrisburg)
6 Cathedral Prep (Erie)
7 Easton
8 Aliquippa
9 Seneca Valley (Harmony)
10 Upper St. Clair
Yes, Wood is very good. That was the point. The comment was made that Coatesville doesn’t deserve #2 ranking, because of a weak schedule. The commenter used Wood as an example of being a team Coatesville should have played, because Wood is best in state. My question to the commenter was how is Wood best in state, with a horrible opening 3 games, and Coatesville not with a much stronger first 3 games. I think they both deserve their respective rankings at this point, and I am a fan of neither. Just was a terrible analogy to put a team down.
@ Chief raider
I hope you’re right man. You really think their defense is the best in the state? That’s a strong statement.
Berwick,Abington and Scranton Prep are all good bets to make the playoff.I know it early but barring major injuries they should be in.the last spot i think is wide open with a team going 6-4 may sneek in.7-3 should be a lock for the last spot
Because Wood IS good, I seen them play. Even though it pains me to say that.
Wood plays Prep. Very possibly they beat Prep.
Hope I’m wrong, but I see that happening
You know your good when people start hating on your ranking. Remember this Coatesville barring any major injuries will not be beaten in the regular season and their defense is the best in the state. Neshaminy? I saw them and they can’t compete with Coatesville’s defense.
do A and AA state champions get rings too?
The “strength of schedule” this early in the season is comical as many schedules are front loaded with patsies. Plus, they’re HS kids. Who knows what goes on in their heads? At 16-17 most of what they think about begins with the letter “P”.
Sure, you can have it but the arguments are worthless. Wait until week 7 or 8. By then we’ll know who’s real and who’s not.
Historically, teams from the tough leagues emerge like the Sub One, PCL, & Lehigh Valley. But heck, juggernauts like Berwick can emerge from a patsy league like the WVC. (BTW, I have no skin in the game with any of these leagues.)
@jarrico
I think you are saying that you would like to see some more “big” games early in the season, to prove how good you are. Like I said in a previous post, Coatesville opponents have a winning record. I found it odd that you used Wood as an example. Wood opponents are 0-9, and have been outscored 358-69. With the premise that Coatesville doesn’t deserve to be #2 because of their, as you say, weak schedule. How in the world can you say Wood is one of the best in the state? Under the weak schedule standards that you threw out there, of course.
My hat off to Dunmore thought West Scranton was strong enough to play with them boy was i wrong.
After 3 weeks. All looks normal in PCL. SJ Prep looks solid, but not the over rated early hype. LaSalle seems to be maturing, as Gordon stated as necessary. Explorers may see better results from struggling d-backs when Franklin returns.Perhaps a surprise with Ryan appearing solid. North Penn appears down and out. We will see who steps up in Suburban One, maybe Abington?? Coatsville seems tough again. A fun week 3!
Go Jags!…great start!…quietly taking care of business!!
I don’t understand these ratings? How can Coatesville be ranked# 2 when they have such a weak schedule? If you’re one of the best in the state, than you should play the best in the state during the regular season! Archbishop wood,st.Joseph,etc! At that point, I believe they will deserve it!
Everybody on here knows I’m not a D1 guy by any stretch. Looking at scores and schedules, I think it would be very hard to compare Neshaminy and Coatesville right now. Neshaminy has played against 3 teams that would struggle against most decent JV teams. Their opponents combined record is 1-8. Coatesville opponents are 5-4. Coatesville has possibly the best RB in the state. I’m not saying Coatesville will beat Neshaminy by 40 when they play, and I’m not saying Neshaminy isn’t very good. Just can’t compare the 2 after week 3, with the teams Neshaminy has played so far.
Coatesville is looking strong again this season, riding the momentum from one of the best seasons in school history, and could make some noise again come playoff time.
Early season prediction – Neshaminy over Coatesville in D1 Final. They are 3-0, outscoring opponents 100-0. They have much greater challenges ahead but their defense has made a huge statement early on.
trad31
Not so fast. Coughlin may not be a favorite to make the D2 AAA playoffs, but they certainly do have a chance. Going forward, they should only lose to Berwick and WVW. They will beat Western Wayne, Williamsport, and Pittston. That leaves Crestwood (who they beat last year), and Pocono Mountain East (who they also beat last year). And even if they slip up and go 7-3, their wins versus the AAAA schools they play will help them to possibly get in.
Abandon cause;
LaSalle 1-1
Prep 1-1
NP 0-2
Coatsville 2-0— oops…. Give them props even if the games are not the same caliber as the teams above.
Can’t chirp away and talk about how good you are when your teams lose games.
But then again the top 3 teams have played the top teams in PA, NJ, TX. …
@4bkmules
the sleeper in the lackawanna conference might be West Scranton big and fast skill kids,dont be supprised if they knock off Dunmore tonight
@ 4bkmules: I think you missed Abington Heights. I think they are 2-0 with two AAA wins (Pittston and Dallas) which would give them 200 points, right?
I think Berwick is clearly the team to beat. It will be interesting to see how the Lackawanna league works itself out. Clearly stronger than WVC this year, it appears Scranton Prep, Abington Heights, West Scranton and perhaps Wallenpaupack will battle for the remaining spots. Coughlin looks much more diverse on offense and is always tough on defense, but we will have to see how the last 8 games go. Their schedule is soft in the beginning and I think they started out 3-0 before ending up 6-4.
@4bkmules the district 2 AAA playoffs will not look anything like this. Wallenpaupack and Coughlin have no shot at making the playoffs. Abington heights, West Scranton, Berwick, and Scranton Prep are the top 4 teams in d2 AAA by a long shot
forum abandoned it seems
Wellsboro is the team to watch this year.
Very early in the season for NE FB right now the top 4 in D-2
1. Berwick 220
2. Coughlin 220
3. Wallenpaupack 210
4. Scranton Prep 190
Wallenpaupack may be a sleeper, but Berwick has great overall talent, but a soft schedule. Coz Curry is in charge of strength training and has made great strides the last 2 years, probably the strongest and most talented Dawg team in many years.
Pennridge continuing to impress although havent played anyone yet. Could be another big year for them?
Neshaminy
Who do you think will win suburban one
hello
@ greg: Thank you! So tired on these adult children who want nothing more than the new coaches to fail.
@ Rick D: I know. I had all of the others right though. Guess I should have picked all favorites.
@17th&G; keep it real, SJP by 35 and you know it.
@ Jive,
I wasn’t going to bring it up. I read his post 3 times, unfamiliar to the language in which he speaks?? Have a nice ‘Tuesdae’ brother..
Going forward, tntc mistakes made that are correctable with time and effort. I believe both teams earned the respect of each other, as well of their future opponents viewing the potential havoc both will bring.
In the last 4 match ups including scrimmages we have given up 154 points and scored 56. Remove the Jesuit Dallas game and the numbers drop to 126 to 14.
Statistically, NP has a chance regardless of our speed.
If we finally put it all together I don’t think NP has a chance but my prediction still has a chance.
@littleguyscoach they look more disciplined this year. Probably doesn’t hurt having that many starters returning.
@ Paul from Philly
TEP is a very fast team agree that dimension is speed. I think the offensive live is overrated, yes they are big but slow. Ted Silary had TEP with 166 yards rushing, not sure what game Armand was watching with his stats. LaSalle was much smaller and younger and playing without their best player in Franklin but held their own. A lot of the yardage came on 3 big runs. To me judging the TEP OL comes from their XPs play. 2 Blocks and 1 for 3 on tries for 2 and the one they made was a pass. From the OL hype you would think getting 3 yards would be a walk in the park. Guess not.
@ HS FB Fan
Not sure what happened on those 3 big pass plays. Watching the highlights of the plays shows they were in man coverage. Anyone would know that would not work. Switched it up in the second half and added some speed to the secondary with Michmem. That worked as TEP did not have a first down until the middle of the 4th quarter.
In general it would have been nice to win but seeing the team play and all the young guys getting in it is good to know that Phillyboy will have something to complain about for a couple more years. This is a good team that will be back in the Eastern Final come December.
TEP is a great team, their best player on Saturday was the QB for sure. Should walk through AA. But then everyone said the same thing last year.
If it is possible this TEP team is better than last year!
@ 17th & G
No shot at 1-2 prediction. A win for NP would be staying within 4 touchdowns of SJP. Prep doesn’t have Wood’s size, but they are faster. We all know what happened in Wood – NP game. NP lacks team speed in a big way and will not be able to compete with SJP. Bosco is obviously a great team but part of the blowout can be attributed to the letdown from the Dallas Jesuit trip.
Take a scroll back to post 147 today or August 28th.
Squeezed by Jesuit Dallas.
Got beat on by DBP.
Who knows about NP.
As badly as we played this week against DBP, NP could be a challenge. I still have a chance to hit my 1-2 prediction.
Again, I hit the Magic 8 ball for a prediction and keeps telling me to “Concentrate and ask again”. Doesn’t this thing know that I just had my eggs scrambled by 42 points and I can’t concentrate.
Enjoyed the LaSalle/Tep game. An inexperienced Shurmur had 380 yards with an inexperienced o-line. Lookout Nov/Dec, Explorers will be tough. Game was September sloppy! Tep scores lightening quick. Did not expect LaSalle to let Tep get behind the D-Backs, especially after North Penn burned them deep on their only score. LaSalle D-Backs need more discipline. Where were the great LaSalle coaches with a couple minutes remaining in the half. Run up the middle 4 times from inside two yards….How about off tackle? Prevent burned for 2 td’s at the end of the half. Must be September. Tep has speed to compete at any level. Great football game. Classless announcer. Great Atmosphere. Good luck to both squads.
OK, I’ll be the one to say it. Does anybody think the quiet ones comment was real, or somebody that thinks they’re funny? Thoughts?
I went to the La Salle IMHOTep game and the Teps are very one dimensional. The only problem for the rest of the league is that dimension is “FAST”. Very entertaining game but sloppy on everyone’s part including the refs. All the holding calls on both teams got a little out of hand and they had to change the chain gang half way through the first quarter But the QB for Tep has a cannon for an arm and they can score in the blink of an eye. Did anyone else who was there want to shoot the PA announcer?
Garnet Valley off to a good start!!Go Jags!
Tep Tep you know they’re the best. Is there any better? Not in the east and surely not in the west. So what does all this mean? We’re lookin’ at the next AA champean. Yep Yep.
Pennridge should go undefeated in the Continental this year, they have a good team and all of the other teams this year in the conference are horrible. Pennridge does not have the studs and talent they had last year but maybe they will last in the second round of the playoffs.
@ RR mark stop making excuses for LaSalle. They lost play and simply not bytwo point but two touch downs yeah the refs was horrible for both side but u have to beat the team and ref. Please stop disrespecting TEP AND ITS PROGRAM. Let the kids play and leave the politics and haters on the side line where they belong. One last thing jaw jacking don’t win games the best team on that day does. Only thing jaw jacking does is cause confusion and hurt people feelings especially when they don’t know jack. Have a great sundae
Nothing against Imhotep, but there was not a very big disparity between levels of play in those two teams last night. Could have very easily been a two td lead for LS as it xould have been for Tep. A couple things broke Tep’s way and that was the difference.
Props to Imhotep for proving they can play with the big dogs.
In my opinion, LaSalle can look back at this game if they end up doing big things this year. Which they very well can. For playing with a very young team, this LS team looks really talented. I’m interested to watch them 8 weeks from now.
Imhotep was kind of given the game via turnovers. Still an impressive win. But they are anything but a small school AA team. Comparing apples to oranges vs. true AA schools who have many kids going both ways. Looks like Wyomissing is down this year. That leaves the Quips.
Missing Franklin, Koller, a healthy Herron and the correct call on Shurmur’s overt sneak TD might have made a difference in that game?? IDK??
As it pains me to say it, even with all those things, Tep played better and deserved the victory. Coach Gordon said following the game, “if you can’t tackle and block, your not going to beat many people”. Give Tep credit for being elusive!
Nothing gets your attention better than a loss, we’ll see…
P.S.(Jive)….Is Dion Sanders available??
Don Bosco buried SJP 42-0. My goodness, how are they so good in North Jersey? Do they create high school football players in a lab or is it more or less a NY area all star team? I think the North Jersey teams should get even more national respect than they do. Seems like De La Salle and certain programs are the darlings of national rankings. Tell you right now, would like Bosco’s chances against any team on the country.
Dallas is now 0-2. Outscored 57-0.
I’m glad to see that ever one is finally opening their eyes about imhotep. A lot of people on this blog has been very disrespectful to the team and coaching staff. But hey it is what is happy first NFL day fellas.
@Anon,
Agree with you on the fumble call 100%. Once the game goes to on demand, on sports fan base, I’ll watch it again to be sure. Big momentum shift on that play. I was told that the white caps brother is the assigner for the refs, and that’s why his crew gets the good games. Don’t know if it’s true, Huck would be the guy on here to ask. The officiating was not good for either team, and that crew should not be allowed to do anything above frosh or jv. Even if the phantom fumble call was wrong, you still have to keep playing. Lots of back and forth on LaSalle’s line being good enough lately. I don’t think that was their problem at all. Secondary was atrocious! Yeah they were missing a corner tonight, is he Dion Sanders? If not, they better go back to the drawing board. I think most coaches teach you at about the 65lb level to not let receivers get behind you. Guess them guys didn’t play 65’s. All in all I think anybody watching saw the best player in the city tonight. Number 5 for Imhotep is the absolute real deal!
Imothep was well coached. Congratulations on a well deserved win.
Lasalle found out what their weaknesses are. The coaches will address them Monday.
Imhotep beats Lasalle 40-28
Imhotep over La Salle 40-28. Final
Is there any chance that Shurmur was not in the endzone by a full yard on that fumble call? Couldn’t believe they called that.
Be very aware of the Archbishop Ryan Raiders… LaSalle and St. Joe’s Prep, be very aware. This is not the same team that you have mercy ruled in past years. Don’t sleep on the Raiders this year. Frank Mcardle has put something very special together this year up on Academy Road…Judge transfer Samir Bullock was just the gravy on the mashers. Should be interesting.
@ Totally unbiased
I don’t know why you’re trying to kick NP while they’re down. Lookded like a replay of the Bergen/LaSalle game.
Coatesville is on another level right now. Just domination right now. Dismantled Cb South and coasted to a 46-13 beatdown.
@ phillyboy
What time is it? Knight Time!
49-3 Archbishop Wood. Brutal. Absolutely brutal.
@Garver – King just lost to Mastery Charter 20-16. Not a good start to the season for them if they are going to make noise in their division. 0-2 is a big hole to climb out.
@Steve, haha thanks, I’d love to be there. Got another game I have to attend at 4:00, pound ball. I will be watching the game on sports fan base network as soon as I get in the door. I’ll take a rain check on the dog. Will catch up at one of these games for sure.
Jive,
Regarding tomorrow, I owe you a dog and beverage from last year. Meet us at concession stand ~1/2 hr. before game, I’m sure we’ll figure out who’s who.
Feel free to sit on our side if you desire after, don’t worry, IRA/Annuity background checks don’t start ’til week 3. You are more than welcome, we consider you family now!! 😉
S.
Imhotep comes in sky high tomorrow night to their detriment. They’ve been hearing it all week from the Pub faithful. Imhotep is expected to plant the flag for the PPL tommorow at Germantown. The Pub faithful have taken an “us vs them” mentality in this PIAA crossover match up. Don’t think for a minute Crosby hasn’t been listening either. Gordon and crew have taken a workman like business as usual approach as this week took shape. Coaching and discipline willl win this game for LaSalle. LaSalle has been in this spot over and over again. The Gordon’s will tell their players to enjoy the moment but play hard and have fun on this biggest city stage in sometime.
@ OL,
I’m sure you have better info on the situation than I. I was told, what I was told, by numerous players and coaches but they’re probably all full of it. My point really was never about the kid, I was using him as an example of what goes on at most schools as far as trying to bring in players.
Garver, MLK has a shot at 3A, but they already lost to Gratz in week one. I still think they’ll grab one of the 4 3A spots. For now, I guess we’d have to say that Gratz might be the early favorite. Also, I think Mastery North could make a little noise.
In 4A I believe that Frankford is solid favorites, if not heavy ones right now. GW should improve as year moves along. Them and Central could vie for a title spot against Frankford.
Tonight will feature a great game between Coatesville and CB South; I have been comparing line size and feel CV will dominate on both sides of the ball. Hopefully the QB for CV can “manage” a good game and put his trust in the D and the best running back in the state.
La Salle-Imhotep should be the game of the week. Two really well coached teams with alot of talent. Adjustments are gonna be key in this game. La Salle in a close one.
@Jive, you need to get your details about Rush straight; LaSalle never pursued or tried to bring in Rush, in fact, Rush pursued LaSalle.
He didn’t give the coaches a few choice words and leave; quite the contrary. No one player has ever been bigger than the team at LS; no one player ever will be.
Everyone wishes Clayton well aback at FJ. No tears shed, trust me.
@phillyboy-
“Watch out for South Philadelphia this year. Long time AAA Public League power Bok combines with the AAAA South Philadelphia High. Could make for an interesting team”
Lost to Spring-Ford 34-0 with a freshman QB. If they ran the ball it would’ve been worse.
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@phillyboy
Now that you mentioned the pompoms, I do remember you. Were you not that ~6 y.o. girl with the Cindy Brady pigtails and cotton candy stained under shirt?
Your cheers were magnificent as I recall, we’ve got to hook you up with the Pep band. You showed more promise than the “Explorer”!! Keep up the good work, appreciate your support..
I know this a PCL dominated board but I have a question about who will win the Public League AAA & AAAA. Does Martin Luther King have a chance in AAA along with Washington in AAAA?
Phillyboy you could have also pointed out thar if Bret Gordon was the OC in the 2011 season they make it back to the state final.
Phillyboy what you should be saying about the 2010 and 2011 LaSalle teams is how did Gordon win so many games with that QB.
I know all you LaSalle guys love me and you should because I was rooting for them big time when they played Bergen. I was at PW doing my T.O. with the pompoms impression only to leave disappointed and confused. What happened to the legendary LaSalle passing game? It looked like a Bergen sack and track meet.
Other than promises on financial obligations, I don’t know what was expected. Let’s just say, while trying to recruit the young man, folks made him feel very good about himself. Then when practices rolled around and the “you’re the man” treatment stopped, it did not go very well. Is this the only kid, only school this happens at? Again, no. Like I said before, they all do it, let’s not pretend it doesn’t happen at my school.
LaSalle doesn’t benefit from transfers all that often. But like every school/program they’ll get one here and there. Not a big deal.
Landing Shurmur was nothing more than luck. They had squat to do with the Eagles firing Andy Reid, then hiring Chip Kelly, and in turn Kelly hiring Pat Shurmur.
Also, doubt very much that LS made any promises to the FJ transfer. To suggest that the kid acted out for not being treated like the man because LS gave him that impression is just a little sketchy to me.
@Paul,
I’m certainly not a LaSalle expert, that’s why I ask about their team. However, LaSalle tried to bring in Judge’s all everything receiver this year. #1 for Judge put in the paperwork for the transfer and was practicing with the LaSalle team. He wanted to be treated like a superstar and was bickering with the LaSalle staff, so he told them a few choice things, and went back to Judge. Why did he expect special treatment? Because they gave it to him during the recruitment process. Is LaSalle the only team that does this? Hell no! But they do it, just like most of them.
@Paul Zaire Franklin transferred in. He started out at Furness.
Size only goes so far. Quickness and discipline usually win. Imhotep rolled into the Wyomissing game thinking they were too good to lose… got thumped by a football team, not a bunch of players. I love to root for the “small” schools, but LaSalle takes this one.
@ phillyboy
I have to agree with OL Coach. You really don’t know anything about the La Salle program. Name the last time there was a transfer to the football team. Shurmur transferred for a couple of reasons. One, his father got a new job in a new location. Imagine that. And second, he’s a two sport guy, swimming being the second sport. La Salle is the two time defending PIAA Swimming champs. BINGO!!! Cherry picking? I don’t think so.
@Ron Disagree if you win your games the points come,every conference has only so many points to go around so it your non conference schedule where you can pick up points.Wyoming Valley West has Scranton Stroudsburge and Del Valley all AAAA teams with point opportunity.They play 5 AAAA team where Scranton plays only 3.In AAA the WVC team was the top seed the last 2 years,Berwick actually has an atvantage becuse they play no small schools.Except for Abington all AAA teams in the LFC play a A or AA school some one of each.For the LFC it be great to have Berwick and WVW in the LFC it would get the a and aa teams off the AAA teams Schedule
@phillyboy,
“What time is it? …..Knight time! North Penn’s power will prove too much for the overrated LaSalle.”
You just love bashing LS even though you have no insight into the program, school or young men who play there.
Each year you persist; it’s an old worn out schtick. Perhaps you should stick to commenting on programs you know something about like North Penn.
@Anon, #17, “he could be a great player though”?
Nothing against the young man but he’s played exactly 4 minutes of varsity ball and you’re already using “great”.
Use the word great when it should be used.
Damn, I must have banged my head! I’m agreeing with too many people on here this week. I agree with Steve that Brett Gordon was a terrific QB. But like you said, he had a cannon for an arm. That can’t be taught. I guess if I had the tools, I would go where I thought was the best place to master my craft. I also agree with phillyboy that it’s very odd that the 2 best QB transfers both go there. From what I was told, the kid from Ohio was looking at Prep, LaSalle, and Penn Charter. Wasn’t gonna start at Prep, so that was out. I don’t think Penn Charter has a varsity football team any more (haha), so LaSalle was the choice. Still think it’s strange that the other kid would go there too with the odds of playing against him. There are 2 AAAA Catholic League teams that could have improved drastically if #17 would have chosen to go to either. He’d also be playing and not watching, I don’t get it.
phillyboy 18 starting positions to replace is rebuilding which makes last Saturday night’s domination even more ridiculous. The offensive line dominated the line of scrimmage and there were no transfers there. The defense held NP to under 200 yards and there were no transfers there. Its coaching “dude” plain and simple, plus a school that recruits itself. Just sayin’.
I’m sure Gordon is a very good coach. But give me a break. Dude, there was somewhat of a void after last year and “by rights” they should have to struggle a little bit during the rebuilding seasons like every other program. But no, out of no where 2 excellent QBs transfer there. Yes, it’s a free country and all but it’s cheesy. That’s why I have so much respect for what CB West did all those years. They had organic home grown teams. Sure, there might have been a kid here or there who moved into the district to able to play there but somehow I don’t think that’s as bad as the school being cherry picked by a new arrival to the area or receiving a transfer from a program that is already decent. It’ legal but that doesn’t mean I have to like it. Just sayin.
@Jive
Just havinng a little fun with the LaSallian comment. I have actually heard good things about both QBs from LaSalle. I don’t think there was much of a controversy by what I have heard. I think the Gordons have a mold set up in the lockeroom for their qbs. They are all athletic, all physical, all leaders and all Gordon like which could cause a bit of an issue with the starting QB. His 6-4 frame can’t be Gordon like and it might be a bit of challenge for their system. Those Gordon like qbs have caused the Prep an issue for a while now on both side of the ball. On the offensive side they are Prep killers and on the defensive side they prepared the LaSalle defense to shut us down last year in the playoffs. Maybe the new junior qb will be an advantage for the Prep in an indirect way.
@ Jive
I think Brett Gordon is all that!! He seems to have the pulse on developing quarterbacks and comes from QB lineage(Dad,GF). Let’s not forget he was an All-State QB who held the PA passing records until broken by Smith in ’09 and All-American QB out of ‘Nova who’s yardage records I believe still stand. Excellent leader, gun of an arm, only drawback, ~5’9”.
I believe this the 1st time he’s ever had QB’s >6’ to work with. Loughery was “listed” at 6’1”, NOT….
Harrison, Loughery, Magarity, Kane were NOT blue chip QB prospects when they arrived at Wyndmoor, but their numbers are astonishing! Got to give them credit, that entire coaching staff are solid, dedicated men.
@ GaryD WVW has same problem as Berwick. WVC is too weak for both teams to get enough state points to get home seeds in playoffs, WVW has 2 tough games, Scranton and Berwick. They play 5 weak AAA games plus Williamsport and Hazleton which might give them 5 wins together. Berwick has same problem, except for WVW they could play their second string and win. Both WVW and Berwick should apply to LFC which is much stronger every year and get ready for d2 playoffs.
@ Paul
Thanks for the info. I didn’t see Judge vs EA game, but #10 had kind of a rough game, 10-29 155 with 2 picks. I saw them scrimmage King and #11 looked pretty good. I just figured, by the way #11 played in the scrimmage, that 10 must be lights out to overtake the starting spot. I’ll see them play Northeast in 2 weeks. I wanted to go see them this Saturday evening, but I’m pretty sure there is another game I want to watch. Can’t remember who’s playing in that game, but for some odd reason I wanted to see it. Guess I’ll go back and check my calendar.
It’s a shame that #17 won’t get any serious starts until his senior year. He could be a great player though.
@Jive. The Carroll kid came in the class with Herron. With the thinking that Herron was the QB of the future, he moved to Upper Moreland for a cup of coffee. Now he’s at FJ and he did pretty well from what I heard with the weapons that he had. La Salle has always had very capable QBs.
@17th
I’m not a LaSalle guy at all. Just seems like they’ve been looking pretty good at the QB position for the past few years, wanted peoples thoughts on why. Is Gordon a great QB coach? He may be, but John Gruden couldn’t turn a kid with no talent into RG3. Just saying these are some of the higher end talents at QB, why go to the same school? Maybe they’re not as talented as I think. I thought 14 looked real good Saturday, I have no clue on 17, thought somebody said he is challenging 14. Judge kid wasn’t the starter a week ago, and now he is. Judge shouldn’t be great, so maybe he’s not either, maybe he is. I don’t know, that’s why I threw it out there.
@jive turkey, #17 is not challenging anyone for reps at LS. He’s the backup QB; he’ll only see the field in situations like last week.
Jive, JIVE and JIVE @ you one more time! I didn’t know you were a LaSallian.
If WVW doesn’t win a district title – time to move on from Keating. They have a super star coaching staff. They’ve had top players for the past few years in WVC even the state with Geno Lewis. Its win now or else
I watched LaSalle play NP from Saturday. LaSalle QB looked very good, 16-25 181 2TD’s, with a couple drops that were thrown well. I’m not familiar with either QB on their team but if 17 is challenging 14 for reps, that’s a heck of a tandem. Let’s not forget the kid that transferred to Judge, he is starting there. Pure coincidence or is LaSalle turning into a QB academy?
PCL fan, yea I remember that. But I wasn’t discounting it. I just wasnt there. I saw something on the Internet about the camp.
@ Without a doubt
I agree with your take. It is usually skill players that wins these kinds of games. LaSalle needs to make TEP throw to beat them. Put 7 in the box to stop the run and go from there.
Should be a great game Saturday night between La Salle and IMHO. With all the talk about the Gordons, I still think the best coach on that team is Steinmetz, the defensive coach. He goes in with a pretty good game plan, and then, if needed, makes the best adjustments.
Huck your comment on the Soph LaSalle QB was:
“Supposedly the kid did well at some kind of QB camp”
That was after you checked around on him. Gordon is high on both his QBs.
@steve
No doubt that with 10 new starters on Offense and 8 new on defense, along with many Juniors playing and even some sophs, LaSalle is looking at 2014 as their year. Tep is a physical mismatch on the line of scrimmage, LS is probably deeper in the skill positions. Bottom line, if Tep can handle the multiple formation offense that LS runs, which is something they probably haven’t seen before, they should win. It should be interesting.
Well fellas, back from Atlanta. Roll Tide Roll..
Seems like week 1 went w/o a major hitch, didn’t miss much. Big boys won Big!
On to week 2, the much anticipated week 2!!
For you boys with a difficult time with reading and comprehension, I re-submit the following coaches comments via this site:
Coaches comments:
How’s your offensive line?
“We have our center back. He is Gordon Thomas. He was named honorable mention all-state last year. He is getting some division one looks. We have our guard back from last year and he was our only two-way player. He is Tyrone Barge. He is getting division one looks. My left tackle is Taleem Muhammad and the other tackle is Aaron Ruff. He gave a verbal commitment to Temple. He was first team all-state last year. Rivals had him number one in the state and 24th nationally as a tackle. So we have four of the five lineman returning from last year’s team. The guy that is going to get the fifth spot was a freshman last year. He is John Carlo. He is a sophomore and is 6-foot-5, 285-pounds.”
“Our tight end is going to be a sophomore and started last year. He is Naseir Upshur. He is an up and coming player and one of the top from our freshman class. He is a tall kid at 6-foot-4.”
That’s an O-line that averages ~6’4″ 295+ lbs.
I know Dom D’Addona is a fabulous line coach, the results speak for themselves, but it might take an act of Zeus to combat the above. I have a difficult time reasoning how any team 2A-4A can handle that. We’ll see…
One thing is certain, come Sat. night 6pm, the boys in Blue & Gold will show up and play hard, and play to win!!
As said, while this game has massive City bragging rights for THIS year, still the most important game on the LS schedule is the “2nd” Prep game, if occurs?? Looks like Ryan and Roman are no schlepps this year fellows. Regardless, I maintain anything LaSalle does this year is gravy, they will be good, still think 2014 looks even more promising, health dependent! IMHO..
If Tep does win this game, I hope the adolescence of the Pub zealots/Private haters will gain some class in their rhetoric? Wishful thinking…
Time’s Yours…
@sfieldspartans50
As a complete outsider I can’t begin to ease your anticipation of Springfield’s success this season. The Spartan’s seem to be a club a little too strong for the Bicentennial League and a little small for the Sub One American. The next opponent, Neumann-Goretti is their only other same-size school on their schedule. I would think the five 4A schools in the division and on the schedule would be a big challenge. It would seem three or four wins would be a fine accomplishment. Regardless, credit should be given to the school and team for accepting the obvious challenge and accolades should not be awarded solely on the win-loss record. Good luck to the Spartans.
after the blowout against lower moreland do you think Springfield can win anymore games, and any in suburban one?
PCL Fan, how did I discount the other QB transfer? I read on here that they got not one but two QB transfers. So, I asked who it was?
True, it’s not easy to know exactly everything about a team heading into a season. Too many moving parts for that.
Thanks for the kind words on report.
@Buddy
Read you loud and clear. I didn’t think about the feeder element. Now that you mention it, I believe a Hatfield-residing NP fan last year said something about two junior programs consolidating into one team, meaning a loss of volume, finances,or some such problem. I think Pennfield was involved but am not sure at present.
It was just an analogy with CB West. Not an exact occurrence. NP was in the playoffs at least 12 straight years ( actually I believe 14 straight years) up to last year.
Granted, NP didn’t split or lose their coach, but Beck is no Pettine for sure. Actually, Pettine was pretty much a tyrant. His program mirrored most colleges. It was a 12 month dedication.
I can only guess NP feeder program has dropped off dramatically. Even a school of NP’s size may not produce excellent athletes year in and year out.
Wood next week. I don’t expect a win, but a competitive showing would be encouraging.
What happens when they are playing teams from New Jersey? They lost by one away and then got beat handily the second year. They played one game against a WPIAL team and lost. They were awful that night and I am sure a lot of that had to do with playing an epic state semifinal game against a great team the week before. Phillyboy, everyone knows where you are coming from. Chill on the La Salle bashing. It gets boring after a while.
@ Phillyboy
There is always some excuse or like to trow out some negative. Lasalle is 1-1 against the West in state finals and beat the NJ team they played last year. Yes the lost to a great NA team, so did Coatsville and should have split with Bergen but I’ll take their success.
@ Buddy and D. Have either of you seen TEP or Prep play this year? On paper I agree they have more overall talent but then a lot of teams LaSalle plays have more talent. Prep played poorly in preseason then beat a Texas team that no ones knows anything about. That game was tied until the Dallas QB went down. TEP beat an Ohio school that plays in the smallest Ohio division. Other than looking at the teams on paper why does LaSalle lose?
On Huck’s report, nice job. Three weeks ago Huck did not know about LaSalle’s backup QB then discounts it. Now he notes it. Why bring this up, because it shows how hard it is for the average to figure out what a program has coming back when the inside guys have no clue.
@ Buddy
What on earth happened to the old NP? Seems like they totally lost their mojo. Unlike CB West, they didn’t lose their coach nor have any kids been lost to a new high school.
LaSalle obviously has a very fine program despite not always having Div. 1 talent. as somebody else pointed out. But what happens when they’re playing teams from N. Jersey or the WPIAL? At any rate they’ll have their hands full with Tep next week, can’t wait.
@Buddy
Sorry for your discomfort, I have been there many times over the years while rooting for various “favorites” as I moved about and aged. As you probably know from other posts, I am basically for any Suburban One team now, but favor the closer National Conference for viewing. You mentioned CB West and the school split and Mike leaving. I dreaded that at the time. But; at NP there has been no split and Dick is still at the helm. I can’t believe a school of this size has run out of talent.!? I can see inexperience as a negative factor; but just what is going on in Knights-land?
D, I don’t know much about NP’s secondary (it wasn’t that great even when they had an excellent team two years ago) but La Salle has a TON of speed and athleticism at receiver and RB. Shurmer will have plenty of help. Yes they are inexperienced but there is a lot of talent with La Salle’s skill players.
@D
I agree, LS will lose to Tep & SJP, but they will still be in the playoffs. The NP game told nothing. I’m afraid NP won’t be a barometer for anyone this year. Now I know how CB West fans felt after Pettine left & CB South was formed.
@ PCL fan
Doesn’t matter how many points NP gets, they will still have too many loses to make the playoffs. If for some of chance fluke they do, I’m afraid they won’t go nowhere.
Gonna be a long season for me.
@Huck
Great writeup of LS NP game on tedsilary.com. I would add Matt Raczak to your article. With Winslow gone, he had a lot to prove.
The LaSalle line will be just fine. They never have had a big line outside of last year. 2009 they had two tackles under 210lb. 2010 had 3 guys under 220lb. The coaching pulls them through.
The issue from yesterday was the secondary, but then Herron was out for many of the big plays as he struggled with cramps for most of the game and did not play well when he was in, some drops, muffed punt etc. To think they dominated this game without their best player staring is a great sign.
Lots of new guys getting playing time. A number of fast guys in the backfield and 7 guys catching passes. NP only got inside the LaSalle 40 twice. The change in points system will help NP big time. They will get a lot of points for 3 losses.
Hey Buddy, you were right. I thought NP would make a few more plays then they did. LaSalle played very well and ran up the middle all day. NP got behind the D on 2 or 3 plays but the ball wasn’t close enough.
I see SJP and Imhotep beating LaSalle this season.
Great QB, but I don’t think he’ll get enough help to beat better teams with MUCH better secondaries. North Penn’s D made things way too easy on LS tonight. I don’t see them having as much success against SJP/Tep’s athletic secondaries.
Went pretty much as I expected. NP simply has no play-makers. Not typical for them, but that’s the way it will be all year I’m afraid.
Big test for LS is next week. Even if they lose, but keep it close, then they could be for real. Could make the Prep game one to watch.
Can’t wait for Saturday good day at Germantown Site, Furness Vs Roxborough at 1pm, 6pm LaSalle vs IMHOTEP. This might be the best game in the city in the last 25yrs. I think TEP is better then last year, loaded with talent but LaSalle is still Top notch it looks after blowing out North Penn tonight.. Rox has a player name Ed Wright who plays the 1st game, had 3TDs on Friday, this kid is good, where did he come from?? Nasir Bonner has a big day vs LaSalle, Herron has a big day for LaSalle. My prediction LaSalle 28-24
I guess we won’t be hearing from phillyboy anymore.
LaSalle probably is overrated, they have terrific skill position talent but I think that they will struggle with teams like SJP and Imhotep because of their lack of size on the line of scrimmage.
But they are in a completely different class than a way overrated North Penn team. Other than Akins, NP looked very slow and unathletic and they are going to have a long year. 0-3 out of the gate for sure.
Just a few notes on the LaSalle side…
Offensively…
-Shurmur looked solid. Calm and composed for his first varsity start.
-Meachum, Walls, and Rinella all looked great for LaSalle running the ball.
-The O-line dominated.
-Hardy was great. 5 grabs for over 80 yards. Safe target for Shurmur.
-Overall were very efficient offensively.
Defensively…
-Solid overall effort. Typical Steinmetz-run defense.
-Had some trouble covering deep, could have been hurt a few times if NP were able to connect.
Overall, they look like they should be pretty competetive at the least this year. Well coached again. Should be an interesting year all around the area.
FINAL:
LaSalle 34
North Penn 7
Shurmur looks sharp
Imhotep 49 Cardinal Mooney (OH) 21
Ryan has a better chance of dropping down than Judge they just made it the last time
@ Groat
Great upset pick
I think LaSalle will pull it out in the end after a hard fought contest… Say LaSalle 26- NP 20. Expect a big crowd and great environment.
So… uh..
D’Andre Swift could go down as a legend around here. Sounds like he’s dominating in Dallas tonight. Can’t wait to see him in a few weeks.
Here is the real deal. The playing field is unfair in PCL Dist 12 AAAA. LaSalle and SJP have the clear advantages and always will. Judge and Ryan can’t compete academically, athletically or financially. That’s not to knock LS or SJP. They will always continue their tradition of academic and athletic success. Once open enrollment took place within the archdiocesan secondary schools, Judge and Ryan’s fate were sealed. Roman benefits from kids who want to expand their horizons but can’t afford LS or SJP. Judge and Ryan will never rise to the top of AAAA Dist 12 FB again. Judge may even find themselves dropping to AAA in next few years as their enrollment steadily falls off. If and when that happens, Judge will have to find a way to compete with Wood.
@Mark – Why was Johnson not mentioned in any of Coughlin’s pre-season write ups?
Let the games begin>>>>
Fri Predications
Scranton 42 at Hazleton 6
Dallas 6 at WVW 35
Coughlin 33 at Tunkhannock 20
Crestwood 8 at Berwick 35
Lehman 13 at Old Forge 27
What time is it? …..Knight time! North Penn’s power will prove too much for the overrated LaSalle.
@ Ron. I had to pick one upset. I think WVW is getting major hype, especially Baur. While I believe it is well earned, I think this could be a trap game. They beat Dallas last year at Dallas (Dallas had much more talent last year). With everyone talking about District playoffs and the importance of beating Scranton and Del. Valley, I think there is a chance WVW might be in for a little surprise. No one is expecting much from Dallas, except perhaps the Dallas players. And most importantly, this is a rivalry game.
AH v. Pittston was a close one for me. I could have gone either way. JC Show and Hollander broker the tie breaker.
I think Crestwood will score a couple times because they do have some talented skill players – Aigeldinger and Popson (who has a cannon arm). But overall, the Berwick D will shut them down other than a long TD or two. I agree that Berwick is much improved from last year. They will be extremely hard to beat and with so much depth, the 4th quarter will belong to them.
@ Groat Surprised you picked Dallas over WVW, my upset is Pittston over Abington Heights at home.dont think comets can stop passing game of Pittston. Berwick will maul Crestwood by 42-7 or more, Berwick is much better than 2012.
@ wolfman
– Yep NP had 100 kids!
– Nope, kids like Shurmar, Iggy, etc,etc don’t walk onto NP campus from far away places to play there.
– I don’t care about recruiting BS, they go for the education or cause the school the would have to go to has a horrible football program and the private schools can offer.
– yep, Gordon’s a good coach.
– you lost all credibility by inferring Beck, with 115 wins, conf., district and state championships in like 11 years can’t coach.
– 1-5, 2-5, who cares coming from a homer like you. Just sayin!
@PCL Fan, you were replying to SteveS who correctly pointed out that the D line will be the weakness for LS this year. They return one part time starter from last season and they are all undersized. SteveS was correct; whatever point you were trying to make got lost.
Some D2 Predictions:
Old Forge over Lehman – 35-14
Berwick over Crestwood – 42- 21
Scranton Prep over Wyoming Area – 21-14
Northwest over Redeemer – 35-28
AH over Pittston – 21-17
Dallas over WVW – 24-21
Coughlin over Tunkhannock – 28-14
Lakeland over GAR – 35-14
Scranton over Hazleton – 28-7
@Rollie
Not surprised Johnson transferred to Coughlin. That is where he lives. He never lived in Dallas. Everyone knew it last year. I think there would have been just to much heat if he tried to play in Dallas again.
@Joe. Did you look closer? Dunmore is ranked and Old Forge is a Honorable mention. Lol
What game(s) are you going to this weekend?
@Jive, “the best team Prep is fielding this century. The only team that may give prep a game is Roman. Prep should win by 30,”
Wow, best team prep has had this century, will beat roman by 30. Looks like the rest of AAAA doesn’t stand a chance.
Whoever did the Small school rankings forgot Old Forge.
That’s OK…they should work themselves in – and up – by season’s end.
So should Dunmore.
You can remember I said this PRE-season!!!
@O.L. Coach
Read my quote a little closer. I did not say three kids were in the top 5. You should not make so many posts past your bedtime.
@Huck,
I’ll send you an email, you know I don’t like throwing kids names out there. teddycat10 correct?
Jive, which kid listed is not a starter? Not saying your wrong. I’m just curious. I base my lists on what I saw last year and some things I hear. But it’s not gospel and sometimes inaccurate. Thanks.?
@OLCoach,
Wind not changing at all. Still don’t think anybody in this state will touch Prep. LaSalle always reloads, I don’t see any reason why they this year would be any different. Just because they reload, doesn’t mean they are going to beat the best team Prep is fielding this century. The only team that may give prep a game is Roman. Prep should win by 30, but Roman has the athletes to make it a real shootout, and if they play an almost perfect game. Does that mean Roman has a shot this year? Hell no! However, their speed could offer problems if not prepared for, or they are taken lightly.
@Pub School, what makes you think Coatesville can RELOAD, as you put it? Fact is, they’ve not won a thing, back to back, have they? So, where did I miss the reload?
Coach Orgega will do a nice job at Coatesville; will it happen overnight? No.
Will Coatesville have a good season this year? Yes.
Is that reloading? No.
PCL Fan; w2here do you get your “quotes”?
“@SteveS
The LaSalle line is weak? Compared to what? Huck has 3 DL guys listed in his top players in the PCL. One of them in his top 5 college recruits. I am not too worried about the line. These guyshave the size and LaSalle has the coaching.”
Fact is, I don’t believe Huck has 3 of his top 5 players at DL. If he did. they’re sure not LS players. Secondly, LS’ D line is undersized and will be a weakness all season long.
Just keep it real, thanks.
@Jive Turkey, this will be a problem all season; the LS Dline has to protect Frankline for him to have a great season. Back in February you posted that nobody would touch SJP; surprised to see you singing LS’ praises.
Or is the wind just blowing a different direction today?
@17th & G, Franklin is a stud; the problem will be that the D line won;t be able to protect him.
That said, Franklin will have one helluva season!
@ Pub School
You forget that the public schools have the greatest advantage of all…..school size. Schools like Coatesville and North Penn are 2-3 times the size of the private schools and in a sport like football especially there is nothing as valuable. I went to the North Penn – LaSalle game last year and during pre-game warmups there had to be 120 kids in blue uniforms, it looked like the 3rd infantry. I have never seen so many players in the same uniform in my life. Out trots LaSalle with their 50 kids, eight starters went both ways. Every time a private school is successful it is always the same RECRUITING comment, but I can tell from first hand knowledge that the schools recruit themselves because of the combination of outstanding academics and athletics. The 2nd difference is far better coaching. North Penn is about to go 1- 5 against LaSalle with arguably better talent or at worst equal talent. There is absolutely no other explanation for that except for far superior coaching.
LaSalle line will be fine. They reload year after year, and this year shouldn’t be any different. I think the top 35 thing is players to watch. I know 1 kid on there that’s not in the starting line-up right now, doesn’t mean he won’t shine by seasons end. The kid listed in top 5 college recruits is very good, should be a nice player at the next level.
@ phillyboy-
The fact that a Pub School team like Coatesville can RELOAD in the recent years is very impressive. They don’t have the luxury of “pulling” kids from weak “PROGRAMS” like some other “PROGRAMS”. We all know who those Schools are.. I won’t go into details. One question… If you are a great/very good Football player and a very good student… Do u go to Hatboro-Horsham to play Football and get an Education and end up 3-7? OR Do u go to anaother School 6 miles away and help a “PROGRAM” and give yourself some visibility??? It is a fair question.. The fact that a Public School can compete with a REGIONAL private school is very impressive. Coatesville was very impressive last year, and Ortega will have them impressive this year. Not hating on the PCL thing, but just being a realist.
NPs Oline runs 230 to 290 T to T, and several players step up for him every year. Right from the 40 teams 40 days he says his defense will be better. If the LaSalle D- line is as bad as reported on this site then NP should be able to bull their way down the field push guys into Iggy impacting his game and chew up the clock.
@Kmac
No, I hear you, but your point made me think of an old Buddy Ryan quote. After somebody pointed out that Ernest Jackson ran for 1000 yards the previous year, he deadpanned: ‘If you give a guy the ball a thousand times he’ll get a thousand yards.’ But, yeah, Coatesville apparently has had a long tradition of success and fun along the way. That’s the most important thing. As WIP’s Paul Jolovitz has said many times, ‘championships are great but there are more important things in life.’
PhillyBoy, Haters gonna Hate!!!! Comments like that one about Coatesville will just fuel that team to prove your wrong!Hope to see you In Late November early Dec “BIG FELLA”! GO Ville
@ SteveS
I posted an update on LaSalle’s second scrimmage on Saturday.
@SteveS
The LaSalle line is weak? Compared to what? Huck has 3 DL guys listed in his top players in the PCL. One of them in his top 5 college recruits. I am not too worried about the line. These guyshave the size and LaSalle has the coaching.
@17th & G
Franklin looks fine to me. The other LBs will probably determine what he gets to do. Burk and Dailey from the past few years had more freedom at MLB because of better OLBs and SS so they could not be the blocking focus. Until the others on this team can prove themselves I would expect a lot of double teams out on Franklin.
Coatesville thou lost there best all time receiver and quarterback return 8 starters on D. they have 3 D1 def.backs and 1 1aa back a d1 linebacker and 2 1aa linebackers and a all state d lineman from last year team.On O they AVG. 6’3 275 upfront with a all state back. a6’4 245 all state TE and a 6’3 190 4.5 40 WR.Yes if this team can stay healthy they will make another deep run.
@Rollie i am real suprise he got past Curry lol
Are you guys talking about Zaire Franklin? Senior Middle Linebacker?
If so, in my opinion, he’ll prove to be one of the best players in the state and a huge get for Syracuse. I’m really interested to see how he plays at tight end, I’ve heard he’s playing both ways this year.
@17th & G
Franklin looks ok. He can’t do it all and the younger players do need to step their game up. From the first scrimmage (and the only one I saw), the whole line is weak.
Can anyone post update on second scrimmage?
@Buddy
I will be at the LS / NP game this week and hope that NP surprises and makes it a game. As Joker1 put it – don’t underestimate the power of good coaching.
@Jake, by the way, is anyone up in D2 surprised Johnson was allowed to transfer to Coughlin?
I thought the only school allowed to accept athletic xfers was Meyers. Eugene (Geno) Lewis, Waseleski, DeGraffenreid, the Minichello bros…I’m sure I missed a few. Others…suspended. Maybe Meyers is just better than everyone else at filling out the correct shady paperwork. I’m sure all the transfers were academic in nature…other than the fact that all those guys listed above were either All-State or All-Scholastic.
@Phillyboy
You may be absolutely correct on Coatesville this season, and your certainly are right on their great season last year. I would only question the last line, “One nice year does not a program make”. Again you are correct in the remark, but Coatesville is tied for 15th with Ridley for all time wins with 644 of them; and one of only 30 teams in the state with over 600 victories. That is a nice body of work since 1903. Eleven of the teams above the Red Raiders started pre-1900 also. Just mentioning this, I enjoy all of the posts on EasternPAfootball.
@Huck
North Penn’s QB only played about half the games last year, Beck rotated QB’s. He’s strictly a pocket passer ( not much running ability). That’s tough in high school unless your o-line is stellar. Granted, Atkins returns, but then the talent drops dramatically.
@Joker
I catch every NP game, plus a few others ( like Pennridge/Springford last year). I have never been to a scrimmage. I don’t have time plus they tell very little.
I’ll be at PW Sat. nite, and I hope I leave with egg on my face ( i.e. a NP win)
@LaSalle guys
How does Franklin looks this year? I really like his game. I expect to hear good things from him this season.
I don’t know why everybody keeps talking up Coatesville. They had a real nice season last year. It was a great story, a great run. But they lost several of their better players to graduation. I think last year was a one year deal, a flash in the pan. One nice year does not a program make.
@ Buddy
So I’m now wondering how many games you actually watch any given year. Why all of your insight sounds good, you just keep referencing 3rd party information or you heard from people…etc…. The scrimmages are just a game for coaches to find out who can play and who can’t, maybe try a few things here and there but come away injury free.
I agree the good teams can re-load quickly, but to draw championship conclusions now by certain teams without big time returners is crazy. If anyone should be atop you chat list it’s Coatsville. I never saw them play but the went to Hershey and return a pile of talent.
Never under estimate the power of good coaching.
I’m curious enough about how bad NP is that I’m going to PW to watch.
Thanks Jake!
@ Jive
Thanks, will do..
@ 17th & G,
You very well might be right. I find your comments insightful and reasonable, we must be around same age… unlike the Kool-Aide drinking Prepsters of the Brooks-present era!!
Don’t know anything about Dallas-Jesuit this year, game is a wildcard. It seems that Bosco is now the 3rd best team in the Paramus-Bergen-North region having slipped behind PC and BC(slightly). Yet they’re the three best in the state and would arguably be 1-2-3 in PA. I would not have wanted to line up against Bosco the previous 5 years!!
This being said, seems all the h.s. ‘pundits’ and ‘experts’ including this site still believe Prep has enough there to justify the top ranking in the region and state. I just don’t see the “grunts” being better than last year. IMHO.
Not having captured a PCL title in almost 10 years, I can understand the excitement….but remember 6 of the last 7 titles(Roman ’07) reside in Wyndmoor NOT, I repeat, NOT because of a plethora of D1 talent!
Buddy, I’m not an expert on NP, but they do return the QB and Atkins. There might be a few others. But they always have one component going for them year in and year out. And that’s the size of the school. Always potential for a solid class to come rolling through. Additionally, they may be on par with last year or even little down, but their league won’t be as tough. Pennridge and CB South could be down even more. A 7-0 league record from NP would not surprise me in the least.
D1 guys love to point to that D12 title game as a bye week for the PCL, but it is no more a bye week then some of the RD 1 D1 games. Each team has to win 4 games and in most years the beaten opponents are comparable.
@Rollie Johnson is enrolled at Coughlin and is currently on the roster
North Penn lost everyone of note from last year with no returning “proven” talent. Not that they don’t have potential play makers, but it’s unknown. They were 6 & 4 last year with a team that was superior to this years squad (according to most followers). Maybe Beck has a couple of diamonds in the rough, I hope so.
If Prep gets out of the PCL Championship ( usually against LaSalle), they have merely a semi-tough game , usually against the D11 rep, before the Eastern Final. I think it’s tougher winning the D1 crown then down in the other bracket. But then I am a bit bias I suppose.
@ Buddy
Sounds like you’re hedging a little bit in regards to North Penn. I remember they throttled Bethlehem Liberty in the ’09 opener when Liberty was highly ranked. Maybe they’re laying low and will come out like gang busters.
Buddy,
I’m kind of curious, but why do you think NP will be way down? I’m not agreeing or disagreeing because I don’t know. Just wondering if you have some inside info.
Yea, making the playoffs shouldn’t be a problem for SJP in most years, but getting out of those playoffs and into a district title can be. Typically, the winner of the PCL 4A has to beat one really good team and sometimes another strong team.
@ Huck
Your right. Playing in the PCL, all Prep has to do is make the playoffs, which isn’t too difficult considering 4 teams ( I believe) make it. That shouldn’t be too hard any year.
@ Steve
North Penn is really down this year, I see them 5 and 5.. Because of their coach, LaSalle is never that down. Game may not even be close ( unfortunately).
@17th
I agree, I see Prep 1-2 starting. MAYBE they can beat Dallas, but not Bosco. Unfortunately again, they’ll handle North Penn rather easily.
P.S.
To the North Penn football team………. prove me wrong please!
@trad & mules i heard the same thing about the suspended players, but talked to a parent of a player who told me that not true .Pittston was ranked 4th in the wvc not d2 by the coaches.Talked to some Dunmore people that told me Dunmore beat Pittston up pretty good in their scrimmag, but like i said before talk over we find out Fri night
ps i like Abington by 20
@17th & G
Great insight. And I agree on the 1-2.
I am curious how the team will hold up with all the pressure of travelling and being ranked #1. And let’s not forget school starting since the academics are still very important.
@Buddy
Why do think LS/NP will not be that good of a game?
Buddy, if SJP were in D1 then chances are that their schedule wouldn’t be so ambitious because of the power points system. A positive the PCL teams is they can d he duke whomever they please and still have chance at states. All they have to do is make their league playoffs to have a chance.
Also, SJP doesn’t play Imhotep, but they do play Wood in a 3A/4A crossover game.
@ Steve,
Have a great time down in Atlanta! I looked up Cardinal Mooney on MaxPreps, and it looks like Imhotep may beat them worse than Bama beats VT. National rank is 1236 to Tep’s 558. I am not familiar with Mooney but, looking at their past seasons records, seems like they are in a funk right now. (3-6 last year) I would take Tep giving 30 points, and the over. See ya next week at G-town.
@ The folks coming down the shore,
We all know Wildwood is pretty strict with drinking laws, damn rental cops. NJ state law is 21 to drink. I’ll bring a case of Amstel to the game, can somebody stop and get some apple juice for buddy?
So, where did Darik Johnson (Soph WR) end up? I heard he transferred from Dallas (D2) but only heard rumors as to where (WVW, Crestwood, NJ).
@Steve
Prep had a rough preseason with TEP and SJR. I was surprised how badly they played but for the record I thought they would be a step back from last season, I just did not think it would be this significant. I also think Infante has a plan to keep this team a little grounded to get beyond all the preseason hype and I think the vanilla effort that was put forward in both scrimmages is just part of it!
Looking forward might be a little tricky. Jesuit Dallas might also be in a down year so maybe the Prep squeaks by on Philly grit. Don Bosco Prep is also supposed to be having a down year but a down year for them is better then most teams.Is a down year with them a 1 TD loss to SJR who beat the Prep by 4 possibly 5 TDs in a scrimmage. North Penn seems to be an unknown at this point so I keep getting an “ask again later” and “cannot predict now” from my Magical Eight Ball. So who can say how that is going to go.
In reality the Prep could fall to 0-3 or come out a surprising 3-0. My prediction they lose in tight one in Dallas. They get blown up by DBP in Ramsey as a result of a difficult run of 3 bad showings and they squeeze by NP in an battle. I see 1-2 going into their bye week.
After the bye week, I think you see a different team. Much more improved with 5 battles or beatings behind them leading to a much stronger team but what do I know?
There are some good games this weekend, unfortunately, LaSalle/North Penn won’t be one of them.
Prep does have a rough schedule Steve. I believe they play Imhotep also.If they were in D1, they be in jeopardy of not making playoffs with maybe 3 loses. That would be a same, considering their talent
I’m afraid I’m ” done with you” jive.
Sounds juvenile doesn’t it?
To mgguy. Your right, this is a big game for the Bulldogs and Mustangs. Go too believe this is the biggest in years. Mifflin loaded in size and talent but lacks team speed and depth plus players will have to play both sides of the ball. Wilson has 3 returning starters but have a ton of little pups waiting to get unleashed. Can’t wait for this game. Might be the biggest game in D3 in 2013 even the D3 playoffs. I predict Bulldogs by 10………..
Anybody hear anything about the transfer from boys Latin? The kid Edinton Wright now playing for roxborough high school?
@ trad Eastern PA Coaches poll picks Pittston 4 out of 9 in District 2 big schools (AAA & AAAA,)behind Berwick, Valley West, and Crestwood, while Abington Heights WR All-State JC Show has been moved to QB. Abington Heights overall talent should prevail, however Pittston could give them a scare.
Pittston Area will be improved and might be able to hang around for awhile but in the end I think AH will pull away
@Jive
Shore weekend sounds great, would enjoy that. Unfortunately, actually fortunately will be at Kick-off Classic(‘Bama vs. VT ). Will catch up with you week 2 with LS/Tep. I’ll be thinking of you guys on my second slab of ribs!! Any thoughts on handicapping that Cardinal Mooney game? They are historically solid program from Youngstown, don’t know much else about them.
anyone know how Pittston Area is going to be this year? Abington Heights plays them Friday and rumor has it AH’s starting running back and their 2 biggest offensive linemen are suspended for the game. Not sure if they can get away with not having these guys and still get the W or if Pittston can pull the upset
Here in Berks (D3) the big game is Governor Mifflin hosting Wilson West Lawn. Big rivalry game, both defending league champs, lots of good story lines, probably see a huge crowd there.
Any thoughts on Prep? Week One – Dallas Jesuit. Week Two – Don Bosco. Week Three – North Penn.
Aggressive schedule.
@KMR,
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I agree with OLCoach. (joke) Can’t go wrong being down the shore for Labor day weekend. Roman vs Malvern at noon, then Neumann vs Furness at 4. I don’t think Neumann or Furness are gonna make a run at the state title, but the put on a hell of a game last year, 33-32. No matter what happens during the day, Borgata on Saturday night is certainly a winner. Maybe all of us posters on here can meet at the Gypsy bar, have a few beers, and hug it out.
@Jake Scranton Prep is very young at the skill postions, that why i liked Abington.The local coachs poll feel that Prep has a lights out defence.But time for talk is over now we kick it off
7 on 7’s and scrimmages are over…..now we can say> “Let the games begin”. Remember Good Coaches still need skilled and disciplined players with minimal injuries, a great work ethic and a bit of luck. the basic formula for states …it’s not rocket science. It would be nice to see the East sweep the board at States…..
@17th & G, don’t worry about Jive. He’s just a naturally friendly guy; being friendly comes easy to him, can’t you tell?
@phillyboy, expand your horizons son; Palisades ia a AA school in D11.
@KMR
Definitely go check out North Penn – LaSalle at PW on Saturday night. Probably the best game of the weekend. CR South at CB South on Friday night is worth seeing, the RB Adams at CBS is definitely the real deal. Of the teams you mention, the CB teams, North Penn, and HH are decent. Palisades plays in a weak conference, and Lans Catholic plays a very weak schedule and is not a strong team. Arch Wood as you mention appears to be loaded again and they are worth seeing any week of the season. North Penn’s first three games are LaSalle, St. Joes Prep and Arch Wood, go to any of those games and you won’t be disappointed.
@ KMR
Palisades? What does that have in common with all the other teams that you listed? Isn’t there a Palisades Park over in North Jersey or something?
Amen Joker1… AMEN!!
@mark d I agree Scranton Prep is going to be tough they are very fast on defense and have a physical O line with some nice skill kids. Another team in AAA that might sneak up on teams is Coughlin. rumor has it that Johnson who was on Dallas last year is now playing on Coughlin. Coughlin is usually a tough running team with a physical D with Johnson in the mix at WR it will make them a tough team to play against this year but don’t think any of the team in AAA in D2 have enough to beat Berwick
@KMR, if I were to hit a game this weekend I’d hit Roman Catholic vs Malvern Prep; 2 good teams teeing off in Wildwood, NJ. After, I’d make a pit stop at the Borgata for some adult fun! That’s what I call a doubleheader!
Closer to home I’d suggest North Penn at LaSalle; 2 quality teams with alot to prove.
@Buddy,
Comment from August 24th 3:37pm. Maybe you should buy me 3 rounds also. Nice to see you come out of the woodwork, a town fool is always nice to kick around. Welcome back!
@Jive
Wow a little testy! Humor! Read it carefully…unless the counting your toes and the childish Santa reference were to over the top! Sometimes I have to catch myself and not use humorous references with people I don’t know. You just never know when they might resemble my humor and get offended!
Accept my apologies? I think we can get along?
Lollipop?
KMR
Of the three CB schools the one you want to see is CB South, although I don’t believe this week’s opponent, CR South, will be much of a contest. Forget H-H, Palisades and LC. I think Pennridge may fall back to .500 or just over, but their matchup Friday night with Emmaus should be very interesting with the Rams former coach on the opposite sideline.
Next week you can kill two birds with one stone…go see Wood play at North Penn.
I guess we will see come Sunday morning how well you all know your own teams, let alone everyone else’s team! Good thing the kids play, the coaches coach and we get to watch. May the best team win!!!
# Jive
Why is it you are “done with you ” when someone bests you?
I’m new to the area and trying to figure out some good high school football to watch that isn’t too far. Can anyone tell me objectively about Central Bucks, Hatboro-Horsham, North Penn, Palisades, Pennridge, and Lansdale Catholic? I already know that Archbishop Wood is always something to watch. What games are recommended to see this upcoming weekend?
I see a D12 cage match in the not so distant future!
C’mon boys the season hasn’t even started, play nice.
Berwick is a very solid team this year,we all have been on the Abington Heights band wagon but the local coaches poll like Scranton Prep as the class of AAA.Guys i not sure i can handel the shock Valley View is running the spread offence!went to a scrimmage and thought i was watching Oregon !
@17th, Dude read full conversations before you start getting your panties in a bunch. The sarcasm was not directed towards you. Kinda assumed a Prep guy could figure that out. Guess you were there for athletics, if at all. @Truth, I sent you an email with over a hundred pictures attached. Ironic how you went from Prep starters played 3/4 of the time to, well both teams rolled players the whole time. Which is it? C’mon man, if you’re gonna make a claim at least stick with it for more than 24 hours. Look guy, I’m done with you. I’m so tired of proving you wrong time after time.
Like I said in my post, it was a scrimmage where neither teams game-planned for each other. Jive, I still didn’t get a email from you.. Don’t try to downplay your rhetoric. You asked for a report on the game.. You received a report on the game.. Then you turned around and sarcastically tried to downplay the report by saying the Prep played their JV.. Thanks 17th and G for clarification.. I believe, both teams rotated in players because I see different numbers on the Imhotep ‘Varsity’ session of the scrimmage also..
But it was a scrimmage! The season starts Friday.. I still believe it will be a D12 sweep of the state chip in 2A, 3A, and 4A..
@ Jive,
Don’t bite back. Trust me , you’ll need a double tetanus shot!!
BTW, since you mentioned it, I guess it was that MLK offensive scheme that was the attraction Fri. night. Certainly weren’t there incognito..
Were you the wise man with tee-shirt and black sweats seated on the far stands who lectured me on the “D” basics and fan of the Steelers? If so, enjoyed the repartee.
Jive
I hope your being facetious but I’ll bite.I can see where you are confused because your dealing with numbers and removing shoes is unacceptable in public. I have often wonder about the flip flop guys in winter with jeans look but I assume you’re one of them! (It’s a joke!)I can understand your confusion with the Prep scrimmage because they are all the same size. We’ll just say not big! They are all the same speed. Just shy of fast. Finally,they all looked confused because ALL THE PLAYERS (not coaches) are buying into the pre-season hype.
If you were serious (which I don’t buy)here is a quick breakdown.
RB-all the same mold
26-12th
1-11th
25-11th
2-11th
8-10th
7-9th
QB
16-12th (practice number he never changed)
6-11th
8-10th
17-10th
11-10th
Do you want me to go into LB,OL,DL and DB’s. You specifically mention Martin so I made sure to eliminate that “facsinating magical illusion”. I feel like the kid who spoiled Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny! Sorry! Although, if you have a spare time machine you could lend I would love to rewind the clock!
Been hearing a lot about how good Tep is. Well, they play LaSalle, I think in game 2. I watch/listen to a lot of games on the Internet but I’ll be at the field for that one. Imhotep had a nice win against Strath Haven last year and a couple playoff wins from teams from the hinterlands but I still haven’t seen a true statement win to show that they’ve arrived. This could be it.
@Ramfan
Tennent did a little slapping back. Rams are in trouble this year. Hollenback only won in small conference.
Not sure why you can’t mention players’ names. Should newspapers and other publications not mention any names after game’s, too? Now, that doesn’t mean you share information on something that is personal or really no one’s business. But it’s ok to mention names when talking about games and such. What’s the big deal?
@Steve,
What’s going on bud? I was making a funny with 17th, he’s pretty good dude on here. Others don’t like my comments because I don’t bow down to them, just tell it like I smell it. I was over at Judge on Friday also, and agree that it was a waste of time. Kind of weird, when teams don’t play other teams, why go watch them? I’m sure they were NOT there to see if there were any kids they may try to lure to their school for next year. Here I go again! What am I saying, they don’t recruit. I saw Roman again today, cause they were right over at Northeast. I don’t know if Roman is for real, or AAAA Pub is that bad. They thumped NE worse than Washington last week. Good thing is that in a few weeks most of the smack talk will stop, results can’t be disputed.
@ Jive
My brother, please don’t waste time and breath debating these Prep “guys”. it’s a futile position with no reward. We know, we’ve been doing it for the last 3 generations.
Back to football, must hand it to these Imhotep coaches, they sure do get around. Last night after leaving work stopped by Ramp(FJ) field, head coach and assistants there. It was the FJ-MLK scrimmage. Looking at the schedule, not sure what the attraction was?? This morning same group at the LS-HS scrimmage. That I do understand.
I think Crosby et al. must have chuckled when they left that one thinking “this isn’t the LaSalle offense of the last few years”!! As expected, the Gordons show significantly little in pre-season. I don’t put a lot of stock in scrimmage “scores” or TD #’s, but like you I will note line play/tempo and 1st team 1 on 1 match-ups as ‘potential’ success indicators.
@ 17th & G,
I think your analysis of Prep’s potential line/LB woe’s are lucid and with merit. However, your boy’s are finally going to “ranked” #1 this year, albeit pre-season. Can’t run away from it now and the disclaimers won’t help the cause if they don’t win the title, again…
We agree both teams can play all the heavyweights they want, that’s more for show/pride/school attraction. The only thing that really counts is the PCL Championship plaque in Nov.
@17th,
I was wrong. Prep didn’t roll anybody, they played their starters the whole scrimmage. After going back and reviewing the game film, I realized the Prep starting QB played the whole time. I guess he couldn’t get comfortable in a jersey, cause he kept switching them from series to series. The running backs, receivers and linemen also had jersey problems and kept switching their numbers too. I’ve never seen a team do this before and that must be why I was so confused. Seemed like some kids got haircuts and grew, shrunk, then grew again during the scrimmage too. Magic perhaps? I don’t know, but they really pulled the wool over my eyes. Next time I’ll try to be more observant and not be fooled by these fascinating illusions.
Berwick looked like a solid team and well rounded in both scrimmages looking forward to the season and the playoffs! Lets go Dawgs!!
@ Jive/Truth
Prep rolled first and second team players all day against IMTP. There are number of positions undecided so they alternated the entire scrimmage. I am pretty sure the extra set of plays was to balance reps out between the two QBs competing for the position. Regardless IMTP did a nice job beating up on us! They are truly in sinc this early in the season.
@Jive
I also have both rosters and film of the game.. Its my job to know everything concerning high school football.. Like I told you before, I’m not an Imhotep fan, I’m a D12 fan.. Here’s my email pafootball@yahoo.com .
Waiting patiently..
@Truth,
Ha, love the name because you are so far from it, it’s sad. Send me your email and I’ll send you video and photos of Tep/Prep. You know I won’t name any names because? C’mon all at once… They’re children. I think the issue we have is that you are so in love with that school, that you are looking through coke bottle glasses with the wrong prescription. You can look through every post I’ve made, no hate, no dislike. I’ve given them kids credit left and right, you’re just blind to it all. I know what your problem is, and it’s a sad way to live in todays world. Remember, these are children and we are all neighbors. As much as you want to hate on some people, that’s just not my game. Hope one of these days you can get a little help getting that chip off of your shoulder. Good luck.
@Jive
The ultimate weakness of a man is to hate and lie… Flat out lie…
Sorry sir, I was at the Tep/Prep game and the Prep had all their starters in for the 1st three quarters. As a matter of fact, they requested a little extra time to keep them in so they can get more work..
Name one Prep starter that DID NOT play the THREE QUARTERS and the next THREE rounds are on me!!!
Just because you hate and dislike Imhotep, you shouldn’t come on here and attempt to discredit kids, thats bullying…
But, its only a scrimmage, meaning neither staffs had time or put in the quality time to game-plan for each other. But now since the season is starting, try your best to keep your hate and lies to a minimal when it comes to high school kids..
We’re waiting for those names……!
Lets set the record straight,Berwick plays in wvc in football, which is weak now and was weak in the nineties when Berwick won 5 AAA titles. However, when Berwick won state titles they had to beat either Valley View or North Pocono to advance in state playoffs. Last time they won a d2 title was in 2008 beating AH 3-0. Berwick also won a d2 title in 2004.
in 2012 Berwick lost d2 game to AH 44-35, a game which neither team could stop the other from scoring. So, the 2012 season is OVER and we will shortly begin 2013 season
Berwick had some issues on their team last year, offensive line could not block, defensive backs could not cover. Berwick has now addressed all their flaws from last year and is now poised to get back to the state playoffs.
CJ Curry is now a senior, who is bigger with a year of experience, coach curry has given him great receivers who have great speed and can catch the ball. In the backfield Dain Kowalski will be the main running back.
I saw them destroy Central Dauphin 35-7 in only one half in a scrimmage. Berwick will manhandle WVW this year and get ready for d2 playoffs. This team has addresed all their flaws from 2012 and is ready to meet Arch Wood
LaSalle over Haverford 6 or 7 scores to 1. But the game was a lot closer. Haverford played well early and moved the ball. Once they brought in the sticks Haverford was forced to punt several times. Haverford’s offense was a running attack with #5 nice RB doing most of the work.
LaSalle did not show too much playing a pretty conservative offense. The Sophomore QB played well probably better than Schumer, they split time evenly. No knock on Schumer he played well but LaSalle does have two QBs. Herron was a decoy most of the day only had 1 pass thrown his way. LaSalles scores came from long passes, long runs and a couple long drives.
Anyone know anything about the LaSalle – Haverford scrimmage?
Thanks for the reports. I’m guessing #20 got the ball on the first play? That kid can flat out run the ball. Really want to see Tep play, just not working out with my schedule. Looking forward to week 2, should be a battle. What do you guys think, game starts at 6:00, arrive by 4:00 if you plan on getting into Germantown Stadium?
Nice job phillyboy! I had to go back and check my posts to see if I was the culprit. 😉
@jive Imhotep scored on the very 1st play. Frankford didn’t get there until 10:35(scrimmage was suppose to start at 11). Didn’t really look ready to go but that’s certainly not imhoteps problem. Frankford went 3 and out. Imhotep fumbled on its next series. Frankford’s 3rd string running back fumbled and Imhotep picked up and scored. Frankford drove down and scored on a 20 yard pass. It was a real nice throw by their QB. Imhotep drove down to about Frankford’s 20 but were stopped. After that both teams started subbing pretty freely. So after about a quarter and half of starters it was 14-6 Imhotep. Frankford’s d-line gave Imhoteps problem pretty consistently. Frankford only had about 33-34 players suited up. So if it was a real game Imhotep probably would wear them down but as far as this scrimmage it was competitive. IMO if Imhotep is a top 5 team in the area Frankford is a top 15 team. We shall see.
there = a place, not here but there
their = denotes possession, their team, their qb
they’re = contraction of they are, they’re going to win the game
@RickD I agree about the whole Berwick thing. People from Berwick are trying to r-live something from the 80’s and 90’s that just isn’t there anymore. Berwick was great in the late 80’s and 90’s and the teams now at Berwick do not even compare. Last year before the district final everyone was talking about how Berwick was going to handle AH and were looking at a date with ACC. Meanwhile AH put up 44 at Crispin Field and won the district title. Berwick will look good during the regular season this year because of the weak opponents on most of it. But we will see what happens come playoff time.
@jive
Imhotep scored 3 or 4 times and moved the ball pretty consistently. There starters went for 2 or 3 series. Defensively they gave up 1 TD and had a couple 3 and outs.
Frankford looked young overall, but has a nice D-Line. Probably a team that will get better as the season goes on.
Anyone see Rustin vs Pottsgrove scrimmage yesterday?
Rustin is always very tough. I thought this would be a down year for Pottsgrove…and Spring Ford’s year to dominate. I read in their local paper where Pottsgrove has 9 starters back on “D” and 4 of their 6 OL back plus All State candidate Fowler.
With D11 a bit down this year (judging by previous comments) D2 may have a decent road to the eastern finals. Wood has an awful lot of talent though. Its a mortal lock that their PCL games are light years tougher as competitors than anything in D2. That said, Curry really is a great coach and in his past successes has made his bones by using D2 as a full season of scrimmages to fine tune for post season runs against real football teams. It would not surprise me if he pulled it off. Would love to see Abington Heights vs Berwick as historically they have been the 2 decent AAA teams in that district. Recently, Lackawanna football has been light years ahead of the WVC. Its nice to see Berwick emerge as a true competitor again.
@jive
Imhotep beat Frankford scored on the first play then Frankford had a fumbled and imhotep defense turned that into a score then they coach took out the ones cause mooney was there I think and put the 2nd string in for the rest off the game very short scrimmage.
@ Ron
I can’t take it anymore man. You Berwick people are so arrogant and ignorant. Please stop seeing the world through Berwick colored glasses. They played 2 good teams all of last season and gave up 33 and 44 points. Toss, dive, dive keep and running to his bench are getting old for George. The good coaches have him figured out. The only problem is there are very few good coaches in D2. They will not beat Abington Heights in the playoffs and I wouldn’t be surprised if WVW and Selinsgrove beat them too. So don’t go punching their ticket to week 14 just yet. CJ is AVERAGE at best.
Last week we had updates 5 minutes after Imhotep took on Prep’s rolling varsity/jv (yep JV, I saw the film). How did Tep do against Frankford today?
Pennridge smacked around Tennet today in a scrimmage. Defense looked shaky but could be a promising team if they keep improving under Hollenbachs new schemes
Saw Lehman/Riverside tonight. Lehman looked pretty good. They ran the ball very well and were able to throw a little too. Riverside didn’t look like a normal Riverside team that I’m used to seeing. They looked decent up front but the LBs looked bad and they didn’t move the ball very well except for 1 drive.
This is the year for district 2 3A to get to the eastern final. I saw ACC scrimmage vs Southern Lehigh. AC is maybe a 3-4 win team. Nobody besides ACC can beat a D2 3A team. Berwick could get into the eastern final vs wood. I have only seen Mime Carey out coached twice the West v ECP game and the ACC v Wood game in 2010. No question Curry could do it but not sure if Berwick had the athletes to do it.
@KMR
With Mike Class in the backfield, they can only be so bad.
CJ Curry throws 4 long td passes and Dain Kowalski has some nice gains running as Berwick crushes Central Dauphin 35-7. Walked away very impressed with performance. Barring injuries this team could go a long way this year.
@ Justin – I think Coatesville will again be a force in D1. Raysor will play a big part.
Anyone know how Pennridge looks this year?
Justin, Coastesville should be one of the better teams in D-1, if not the favorite.
@Justin
Keep an eye on the final 4 teams on this web sites rankings, they will be one of those ( I’m thinking #3).
That’s pretty damn good.
Anybody know how Coatesville will be this year?
Does anyone know which lineman was hurt on Monday for neshaminy? How long is he out?
Guys these are scrimmages , not games and the frist scrimmages.Coaches are looking at a lot of different things many dont play their know starters much becuse they want to see what depth they have.they sometime work on weakness, not their strengths. yes some things stand out but only the coached know what their trying to accomplish
@joepa
i wounder what Dunmore would have scored if Buckly carried the ball more than 6 times
Rick geist retire after leaving north Schuylkill ?
Where is rick grist coaching this year
Dunmore didn’t score on a Dallas team which isn’t suppose to be good last Saturday. Can Dunmore really make another run to the state title?
The Parkland vs. Wilson WL, was physical and lots of speed. Parkland’s Defense is strong and speed in secondary. There run a 3-5-3 def.. Enjoy..
Anybody hear how North Penn looked in their first scrimmage?
@STeveS, nice observations.
The questions about LaSalle revolve around the line of scrimmage; nice to hear the Oline is coming around.
Liberty was playing their backup’s and JV’s against Williamsport. Concentrating on ES North because they like State College (Liberty’s first opponent) runs the same offense. It was cool to see a tri scrimmage and all three teams got work in.
The ‘Port had a really big team. Good luck.
Anybody see Parkland vs Wilson scrimmage on Saturday ? Parkland rumor has is loaded and Wilson has two or three starters back.
Got to watch LaSalle – Downington scrimmage.
Shurmur showed promise. Was able to make a lot of great plays. Looks like LS OLine is sharp.
Dline needs work. Downingtown was able to make some great plays (QB sneaks and runs by WR) and moved the ball too easily down field. This seems to be LS weakest point.
Special teams looks to be solid. One impressive punt and chip shot xtra pt. One bad snap or missed hold.
@ OL Coach – It was a scrimmage – no score.
Bloomsburg looked very good against CMVT. Not exactly even competition but the Panther’s defense and the Klingerman boys were outstanding. The Panthers need a lot of work on their pass protection though as the Rams were able to apply pressure most of the scrimmage. Bloom may also have some depth issues as there was a steep drop off from the 1st to 2nd teams. Bloom may have a sleeper in this young running back they have. Very fast and excellent agility in the open field.
@Jive
Great synopsis of the GW vs Roman scrimmage. Roman was clearly the better team once they went into a game situation.
I really liked the way Roman’s defense played. They mixed up their fronts on every play (3 man/4man) and were bringing lots of pressure from their linebackers and GW could not block it.
#36 for Roman (I believe McCort?) was very impressive both running and catching the ball.
#85 for Roman was a man child on the D-Line. Very impressive size as well.
#5 for GW I believe was Ken Everage. He is a great RB but is very injury prone. If He can stay healthy, the GW run game will be formidable.
The GW QB was John Santos most of the game. Transfer Cedric Wright has been battling an ankle injury since the start of camp and hasn’t played much at all.
One kid that really stood out for GW IMO was Haasan Brockman as a change of pace type QB to run the option. That was a new wrinkle for GW and He had roughly 140 yards on a handful of carries including a long TD run. It will be interesting to see if they continue to add the option play as part of the offense.
@ 17th & G,
As we’ve said before, last year’s defensive front 7 was a special group, especially the LB’s. They were also great leaders, very difficult to replace. Folks seem to be mesmerized by some of SJ’s specialty personnel, we’ll see..
Now for the scrimmage I did see, Washington and Roman. During the first hour the 10 10 10 10 thing didn’t prove to be much of anything to see. Once the chains were pulled out it got pretty interesting. Roman had the ball first and went 60yds on 5 or 6 plays for a TD. Washington then went 60yds on their first carry. For Washington, those 60yds might have been 85% of their total yards, they couldn’t move the ball on any of their other 4 possessions. Washington did have another long run brought back on a holding call. Washington’s RB’s were very small, but #5 can absolutely fly. Roman had 4 possessions and scored on all 4. Neither team got much going through the air, Wash QB has big arm, but a little to big all day. Roman rolled 3 QB’s over and over all morning. Roman ground game moved the ball at will. #2 and #36, pretty sure last years starters, looked very good. #3 and #33 came in for the starters when they needed a break, and the ground game didn’t miss a beat. Don’t think this is any indication of what either team will be. Washington will compete for the AAAA Pub title, and Roman will finish third in the Catholic league.
Didn’t get to see Tep and Prep go at it on Saturday, plenty of time to see both teams and didn’t feel like going over to the jug handle state to see them. From what I’ve read on here, and heard from others, it pretty much went as expected. Tep line is big and strong, #20 might be the best back in the district. Prep rolled in players on offense and really couldn’t get much going. I think once Prep settles on a rotation, they will be a beast in AAAA. Tep will run the ball all over most teams they see. Somebody said Prep DB’s looked great. My guess is, just like last year, throwing the football is Teps weak spot. Prep DB’s are very good, but most DB’s will look good against Tep passing game. Should know exactly what both teams are after week 2.
All the buzz around SJP (prep)has been exactly that buzz. This team has lost so much and still has so much but it is so in-experienced. This scrimmage was pretty close to what I expected. IMTP looked big, fast and experienced and SJP looked not so big, some what fast and inexperienced.
IMTP is as close to a complete team as you can put on the field. That offensive line is something to be marveled at as football fan. There might not be a better line in the PIAA. However SJP d-line battled and had their moments.
Without a doubt IMTP should be considered one of the top teams in the PIAA.
SJP has the talent but they need to nail down their plan. I think I mentioned before they will have a slow start and this scrimmage was indicative of exactly that process. Scrimmages are for learning and I think the Prep learned a heap full. The Prep aready has injury issues, that they will have to deal with a lack of depth, and they still rolled players all day. If you question how uncertain things are consider 5 running backs, Two QBS, multiple LBs, CBs and the list goes on and they were still in the scrimmage the entire day.
Big round of applause to IMTP they are a special team and be patient on The Prep they will be there when it counts.
Central Dauphin looked strong against McCaskey. While they have a fresh young team they have some strong key players returning in Big Offensive/Defensive Lineman Dalton Brill, Linebackers Codie Zimmerman and Ben Mosey. Nate Dickey in at QB with a strong arm and Raleigh Sirb and Manny Gonzalez looking strong. They dominated McCaskey the entire scrimmage.
Anyone see Pottstown and Middletown scrim?
Any report?
Time for Zaruta to go home? Nice. Lets bring back the other guy. He’s suing to get his job back right? He should just get his job back so the district can save legal fees instead of doing what’s right. Lets keep arse hats on the sidelines. After all, who cares how they comport themselves as representatives of their school and district? Winning is absolutely the most important thing and we should realign our priorities such that abusive personnel are on our sidelines. After all, they’re just good ole boys working the refs. An f-F-bomb here and there is no big deal. Its not very likely that the kids would emulate their coach since all our kids have such stable home lives and the benefit of strong father figures.
You’re all taking scrimmages far too seriously; keeping score? Really?
Scrimmages are a controlled practice session which serve a purpose, mostly for coaches, but they are not games and results should not be viewed as game results.
@phillyboy
I guess we’ll see how this season goes for them. It just seems as though there’s an awful lot of talent there…and from what I read from those of you more familiar with the program, coaching is solid.
Tep hasn’t won a state title yet at AA. If it ends up that they’re ALL that, then they could move up a class. Erie Cathedral Prep used to do that.
@ Steve
Prep DB’s was extremely big they looked like LB’s
@ ????
No problem. You did read it wrong, don’t have to apologize, unless your my sister!!
I suggested to my brother ‘Jive’ awhile ago that Tep might field the finest team in the state regardless of class?? They certainly have 4A talent.
Scranton Prep looked extremely dominant over Crestwood today. Crestwood only managed to score against prep’s 2nd team defense while prep had 4 scores throughout game situation. So far they’re living up to maxpreps high pre-season ranking.
Scranton Prep looked dominant over Crestwood today. Crestwood only sc
I was at the Easton vs Scranton game. When they went live Scranton couldnt score and Easton’s Shane Simpson scores twice. EASTON 14-0
@steve
I read you post extremely wrong. My fault for that.
@steve
Why would you say that just because theses kids worked hard for a tuff win over prep you think that it was easily giving because of recuits? If they recuit so much who did they bring in this year please tell me. But on the other hand prep defensive running game could not stop imhoteps run game there young studs running backs had a great game. And the pass defense was strong for prep. Prep was strong coming out, but got stopped short and had to punt the ball from there on imhotep took control.
Williamsport looked good against Bethlehem Liberty today there defense was strong there was no score so could of been worse!
@ C-ville
Thanks for info, did your boys scrimmage today?
Watch out for South Philadelphia this year. Long time AAA Public League power Bok combines with the AAAA South Philadelphia High Rams this year. Could make for an interesting team.
Bloom looked dominating today against vo tech. I know it’s not the best competition in the world, but bloom will be tough. Ricky and Colby Klingerman two of the top players in the area. Both made plays today that I have too many high school players make
LaSalle looked good today. D-town W rallied near the end but LaSalle generally dominated.
Anyone at LS-DTW? A lot of new faces!!
@ Truth & ???,
Sometimes scores can be deceiving for a scrimmage, did Tep handle Prep that easily?
Regardless, that should put the ENTIRE PIAA on notice!!
Berwick dominated CM in everything. Defense was lights out.Kowalski ran wild. Curry-Force passing outstanding. Looked like a curry team from nineties. CD will be tougher.
1st Stringer’s: Garnet Valley 7 Downingtown East 0
GV was about to score again at the end of the scrimmage but hit play #10 and the scrimmage ended. DTE did have an interception on GV though.
These two teams looked evenly matched too me. DTE looked like they were missing some people and so did GV on the O-line
Spring-Ford Rams against Council Rock South. ..Rams Defense seemed to dominate offense solid with Jones and Carter attacking the run. Saw some nice things from upcoming SF QB’s. Moved the ball fast down the field. CR Gallo tough at Center.
Sorry for the score 18-7
How did your team look in today’s scrimmage?
Anyone at LS-DTE, Tep-SJP? Thoughts?
Imhotep dominates saint joseph 27-7
Great game. Imhotep 18 Saint Joes 7. Big struggle on both sides of the ball..
Imhotep 18 v St Joseph 7
Very competitive. Couple of missed plays by both teams.
WVW lost a lot of skill guys minus Baur. Wyoming Area lost 3/4ths of their secondary so that’s not really a good measuring stick. Like you said, 7 v 7s can be misleading.
Did anybody else see downingtown vs garnet valley? Good scrimmage between to well coached teams. D-town has some size this year
@RickD WVW lost their playmakers from last year. They will lose 3 games @Berwick, @Scranton, and Stroudsburg.
Imhotep vs Saint Joseph
This should be a great game to watch to state power houses with loads of talent on both sides of the ball.
@ Jake
Who are the 5 teams on WVW’s schedule that can beat them? They went 7-0 in the WVC last year and they return their QB, 3 OL starters and a handful of defensive starters. Plus they get Del Val and Stroudsburg at home.
Also – I saw the Johnson kid playing basketball in WB 2 days ago. I would love to know where you get all this inside info from? WVW struggled against mediocre teams in pass scrimmages? Were you at these scrimmages? I saw them go against WA and they destroyed them and I saw about 10 minutes of 7 on 7 against Prep and they looked very good then too. But regardless you should realize that pass scrimmages mean absolutely nothing come Sept and Oct
District 2 AAAA predictions:
1. Scranton 9-1
2. Del Valley 7-3
3. Wyoming Valley West 5-5
4. Hazleton 3-7
5. Williamsport 2-8
@Mark Johnson isn’t transferring to WVW he moved back to New Jersey and I agree Dallas will have a down year I predict 4-6
Anybody have predictions for D2 district playoff contenders? I know of some tight races in A and AAA. Not much firepower in AA and AAAA from last year it seems…
@Rob
I don’t think Dallas will be anywhere in the picture this year. Prediction 2-8 at best 3-7. Johnson is supposed to transfer to WVW, however grades are an issue and he may not be playing. To many players need to be replaced. They do not have the horses to reload and their numbers are down. Zaruta had his fun, time for him to go.
If Old Forge is a roller coaster they’re approaching the top…not heading down the hill. Their line is very experienced. They play tough defense. Teams start at their line and Offense wins games but Defense wins Championships…
Dunmore should be favored to win Division II and Old Forge should be STRONG favorites to win Division III.
Like last year the only blemish to either’s Regular Season’s record should be the game against each other.
@Joe Dobbs
Yes i did forget about Old Forge.That should be 2 great games this year,i dont think either really has to much competion in that class
I’m interested to see if Old Forge can be competitive consistently enough to challenge Dunmore. They’ve always been a roller coaster team from year to year. I just hope they continue to crush Riverside. No wonder he got booed by the locals when he was hired. If he continues to get crushed by their rival, he will be back in West Slide as a receivers coach where he belongs
mark d…Don’t forget about Old Forge in Class A. Their game(s) against Dunmore should be GREAT!!!
@phillyboy:
Maybe this is the year Pennsbury bests Easton.
They got them at home. Not so sure. Easton got this RB ( Simpson) back from injury. Pennsbury got to stop him.
@Bertsilvestr
Abington has a chance and Berwick has a real good chance and i tell you why coaching.If Valley View had a coach they would have made it to the easten final.Curry still has a few tricks up his selve to compete at the state level and Abington has one of the better staffs in D2. Last year that
Abington team was pretty beat up by the time they faced A.C.C not a excuse everbody hurting at that time a year, but it was a fact.
@phillyboy,
Easton lost two valuable football players as they decided not to come out for the team. I don’t use names because after all they are just kids. I think a starter on the OL and I think a DL or LB?!?! Anyways, Easton returns starting QB and RB…RB is very fast and shifty…three year starter. Always a tough team, but probably beatable this year if Pennsbury is gonna be strong.
Would like to see Pennsbury beat Easton one of these years. If they expect to battle with the big boys they got to get out of the blocks faster and stop letting Easton be their daddy.
Man, whatever happened to Manheim Central? Do they still exist? I haven’t heard head or tail of them in quite a while. That ’03 team was really good. Saw them beat Strath Haven 3-0 in the eastern final. Regret that I blew off driving out to Hershey for the final, a total classic. Well, I got the DVD anyway.
Guys,concerning the Eastern final possibilities for Berwick and Abington, and that District 11 is weak, remember that in recent memory the only District 2 team that came anywhere close to getting by the first round was Valley View in 2011, and that wasn’t one of ACC’s vintage teams.
Last year, what was supposed to be an average ACC team shut out an Abington team which was playing very well at season’s end.
Rumor has it that Neshaminy might be the team to beat in Sub. 1. Pennsbury will make some noise also.
But CR South usually has a very competitive team.
I believe CR South plays both those teams above, so we’ll find out in short order.
Thanks Jake, beside Dunmore doent any of the AA or A teams have anything this year? in the Lackawanna Conference
Anyone have a read on Suburban One? Council Rock South going to dominate?
You Berwick fans are forgetting a very stout up and coming young team that made it to Quarters last year and that it Selinsgrove. They could very well meet deep in the playoffs.
@ mark d I think Scranton Prep will be good this year and Del Val will be good but nothing like last year. Prep will surprise some teams and will compete with AH for the league title.
By the way, I also think Berwick has a good chance to reach the eastern finals (same with Abington heights) considering D11 aaa is down with ACC not the typical power they usually are and d4 AAA being bad again.
Any one have a read on the Lackawanna conference ?ALL i heard is Abington is big and strong with some great players, and Scranton should be tough behind McCarthy.After that nobody seems to have any info on the rest of the conference.
@rob you may be right about Pittston, Berwick had to score in last minute to defeat them.
@Jake
I also think Pittston can upset a few teams. I saw them play Coughlin last year and they looked good. I just have a feeling they’re going to be in a lot of games where they lose by 3 or 4 pts.I do think they’ll beat WA though.
@Jake
Haha all good man, appreciate the feedback.
Apologize for spelling errors I post from cell phone
@Rob great article on D2 Arab I look forward to your posts in the future. I also heard that WVW is down this year and had some trouble against some mediocre teams during passing scrimmages this summer. Also Pittston Area might be a team who surprises people not saying going undefeated but may pull off a few upsets throughout the year. Dallas is having some issues and rumor is Johnson isn’t eligible to play this year. He huge favorite in the WVC this year has to be Berwick they return a bunch at key spots and have some talented younger kids to fill the holes from last years departing seniors
WVC predictions:
4A
1. Valley West. Not the greatest team on paper, lots of question marks, but 4A is weak this year in D2. I think Valley West can finish 7-3 but also 4-6.
2. Hazleton. Hazleton should improve this year. They need to get back to being the solid team that they were a few years ago
3. Williamsport. Not looking good for Billport this year. May go winless save Tunkhannock
3A
1. Berwick. I think Berwick is a tad overrated but there’s no question they have a solid team. Curry is back at QB, a transfer RB and a good receiver in Force who will burst on to the scene this year. They will be big up front and have a good linebacker in Stout and a good DB Thomas.
2. Dallas. I know they lost a lot but Dallas almost always reloads, even if some think Zaruta is not a good coach. They have a solid D end in Gately, an all star 2 way lineman Monk and a very skilled wideout Johnson.
3. Crestwood. They return their Qb Popson and RB Aigledinger. That’s a nice combo right there.
4. Coughlin. Seems like coughlin is always average every year, and that’s where I think they’ll be this year–average. QB is back but didn’t throw much last year, no proven WRs (as usual) but they do have a good RB back in Cole. Another big lineman in the twin brother Pilch and they should have a decent year
5. Pittston. Pittston has some good players but there are some spots that don’t look very promising or have question marks. I think they’ll be competitive but won’t win many games.
6. Tunkhannock. Rebuilding again. Hard to believe a school like Tunkhannock can’t win.
2A/A
1. Lake Lehman. If Lehman had their RB Van Scoy playing football this year I would feel a lot better about this pick. Still, Lehman should be good. Jones is obviously a tank and they’ll have a good defense despite their weak schedule. Week 1 show down with Old Forge will tell us a lot about this team– I think they will lose that game and go 8-2
2. Wyoming Area. Like Dallas, they lost a lot. Luckily for them, they have enough talent and 2A is very weak. Skursky is a big LB/FB and they should have a good Defense.
3. Meyers. Not sold on Meyers. They gave up a ton of yards/points last year but they have a lot of kids returning. Their stud WR DeMarco moved to QB and they lost their RB Bennett so it will be interesting to see how they do. They also play Old Forge in week 2.
4. Northwest. Northwest is like coughlin. They run a lot, never pass and go 5-5/ 6-4 every year and play a very weak out of conference slate. This year will be like the previous 3 seasons.
5. GAR. GAR is sliding and it showed a little last year. Gone is their QB from last year who was a good passer, their WR Benton is gone who had a ton of grabs, and D1 recruits Skrep and Soto are gone. They will be very small this year and i’m hearing their one starting receiver from last year isn’t playing this year.
6. Nanticoke. They haven’t had a winning season in 10 years. Nothing is changing in the Coke
7. Hanover. They are going to stink again this year, which is strange considering Hanover is always decent. They are young again this year but they should be a contender next year.
8. Redeemer. Redeemer actually has the best WR/QB combo in the WVC in Strickland and Kerr but no o line or defense will once again doom HR.
@ Jake Kowalski decided to play at Berwick because he knows Coach Curry recruits colleges to come after his seniors.Berwick was overstocked with wr last year CJ will throw a lot but Berwick will pound the ball to keep defense honest. Biggest ? will be run defense WVC teams are soft again except Valley West. I am looking forward to the Central Dauphin scrimmage, which I think will be best team Berwick will face until d2 playoffs.
Phillyboy,
The 16-week schedule is an while other issue. But as long as the PIAA says that D1 gets to play each other from weeks 11 to 14, then 16 it has to be.
This may be addressed already, but was Coatesville in the top 8 last year? If not, then the current system worked.
Huck
D7’s insistence on having 16 teams in their payoffs is why the rest of the state is stuck with a 16 week season. Since they don’t get a semi final spot if the PIAA drops to 15 weeks D7 can only have an 8 team playoff or play only 8 games. We all suffer as they threaten to leave the PIAA over it. I would call their bluff.
@ Huck’s
I hear your point but still, I would say 8 to 12 of those 16 teams in the D1 playoffs aren’t true blue state champion contenders. There’s several teams that are just filling spots. Just a hand full are for real. Believe me, I’m all for the state playoffs. It’s prime time. It’s just that it shouldn’t require 6 or 7 wins in order to accomplish that. A 10 game RS with 5 playoff games is perfect. A 16 game season is too long, it just is.
@ Ron Sounds like some of that George Curry ” influence” getting that kid to come to Berwick. I know Berwick had a bunch of good senior wr last year so I’m wondering with CJ entering his senior year and a whole year in the system do you think George will be more of a ground and pound team this year or will he let CJ fling it around? Who else is going to be good in the WVC this year?
PCL Fan:
My bad. I stand corrected. I knew 16 D7 teams made playoffs. I just assumed they had it set-up like D1 and had one of their teams in the state semis.
D7 only plays a 9-week RS. Last year amongst their 16 “playoff” teams they had (4) 4-5 teams and (2) 5-4 teams.
D1 had (3) 7-3 teams as their worst representatives. Like I said earlier, I think D1’s system is ok and fair.
Huck
D7 does not get a spot in the state semi, they only get into the quarter final.
@Jake Dain Kowalski played at Central Columbia last year. Parents are divorced, mother lives in Central school district, father lives in Berwick school district. Dain wanted to come to play at Berwick his senior year. Dain could be best running back in wvc this year. Dain is 6ft 1inc 190lbs who has speed and power,with bulldogs offensive line could lead Berwick to d2 title.also may start at db
Thank you Huck! For anyone who wants to post about D12 having a bye week in the future please read Hucks post before saying anything. LaSalle is the ONLY team in 4A public or catholic that does not play a thanksgiving game. It’s not a bye week it’s a week left open to play your traditional rival, which for many schools makes a lot of money for their programs. Any district is allowed to do this. If D11 thought it was an advantage to do this they could go to a 9 week RS and have an extra week for teams that play a thanksgiving game. Same with D1. Huck in other news SAY IT AIN’T SO!!! I think you know what I’m talking about.
Also I agree with D1 having a 16 team playoff. Most years 7-3 is the record of the last seed. It’s not like teams who are .500 or below are getting in. It also allows teams like North Penn and others to play marquee non conference games which I think everyone enjoys.
If you’re a fan of football, then why would you want less games? I don’t get it. With a 16-week schedule D-1 needs to have 16 teams. It’s a large district and by being large they get four weeks of playoffs and place a team in the state semifinals every year. Just like Disrict 7.
With the implementation of the new PIAA playoff point system whereby a team gets points from a loss based on the amount of wins of the team to whom they lost, the injustice of teams not qualifying for the playoffs due to a brutal schedule should be eliminated.
Phillyboy, it’s not a PCL issue, but a District-12 one. D-12 does it this way to accommodate the tradition of the Thanksgiving Day games. IMO, these games don’t have much meaning anymore. They used to be special. Not that much anymore. In theory they could increase their playoffs by a week to eliminate a bye. But that would be overkill with bad teams making the playoffs. D7 does that now. Another issue is finding enough RS games to have a 10-week RS. It’s difficult and that’s why they only play 9.
Also, I think 16 teams in fine in D1. If the PIAA goes to a 15-week schedule, then 8 could work. D1 is a big district and the schedule is unbalanced. Some leagues are more difficult than others. A 7-3 team could be stronger than one that goes 9-1. The goal should be to crown the best team. Not reward those teams from weak leagues, who don’t play anyone in the league or N-L for 10 weeks.
I agree with Buddy. There’s no way there should be 16 teams in the D1 playoffs. It’s too much. 8 teams is plenty enough. And if a team doesn’t make the cut, so be it. To have the right to compete for the championship a team has to show their mettle during the regular season. That’s part of the deal. For a team to win the state title it has to win 6 consecutive games. I mean what is this the NCAA basketball tournament. The way it was before was perfect. I think 15 games should be the maximum for one season.
@Joe
On your example of playoff game locations, when you make a statement can you at least try to understand the rules. yes the top half of the bracket is the home team but that only applies if the districts are adjoining districts. If they are not next to each other the game should be played in a district in between which was the case in in the examples you noted. The rule cuts down on travel. Before you use D12 and D11 as an example of this rule not being followed, it has been agreed to play in the home district as the travel is not much and D1 has no viable locations.
@buddy
Really starting the bye discussion already??
Hey-
Coatesville was #9 seed. springford was #7 seed. My bad.
http://district-one.net/football.asp
@buddy-
Uh, No.. Coatesville played at Unionville in first round. That means lower seed I know they were. I follow it. They were 11th seed I think. They we’re 8–2. Lost to D East and Malvern Prep. They were the away team in the D1 final. springford was the #8 seed and was the home team.
Also, PPL had 6 in playoffs. You can see the brackets from last year under Team info… 2012 Playoffs. It’s right here.
The issue is not the 16, it’s the bye week……AND having teams with LOSING or .500 records in the Playoffs. This isn’t the NHL!! LOL.
@Joe,
Saturday night 2:45, not thinking so straight. I see your disdain for D12. Before joining, D11 participated in 4 straight and 5 of 7 state finals. After D12 joined, not so much. I guess you had the same bad taste towards D1 in the 90’s.
@Joe,
Sorry you said Wood would be AAAA in district 1 not Pittsburgh. Still curious as to why?
@ Joe,
District 8 has 7 teams. I always thought Pittsburgh was district 7. Why would Wood have to move from AAA to AAAA if they were in Pittsburgh? I’m not completely up on this stuff as far as Eastern finals go, but who in AAAA LVC is the D12 champ getting a by to? I’m not 100%, but it seems like D12 plays suburban one or chest-mont in the final game lately.
Couldn’t the PCL have their bye week between the last regular season game and the first playoff game? Wouldn’t that solve the problem?
GO JAGS!!
@Joe, please stop with the LVC bloodying themsevles and sending a corpse into the playoffs. The LVC over the past 5 years has done nothing but prove they cannot compete with D12 in AAAA; that may change in the future but today, that is the reality.
It has nothing to do with the LVC being bloodied because I truly believe the #3 team in the PLC would win the LVC.
St. Joe Prep would have kicked Parkland around worse in my estimation than LaSalle did due to their team speed. I’m confident that Roman Catholic would have easily handled Parkland also.
D11 needs to do it on the field; until then all theyh have are empty excuses.
@Ron who is Kowalski from Berwick? I don’t remember him being on the roster last year
The bye is not so etching that is PIAA generated. It’s a district decision to accommodate the teams that play on Thanksgiving. The issue is that the D12 teams winning recently don’t play on Thanksgiving. I don’t like the bye because the complaining gets tiresome. Also, having a week off isn’t always the best of things.
D12 plays under the rules and playoff brackets that the PIAA governs. They do nothing wrong here.
Was Costesville’s 4-game run to the east final really that much difficult than LaSalle’s? What team did Costesville play during that stretch was better than SJ Prep (Top 5-6 4A team in state IMO)?
LaSalle played Roman-SJ Prep-Frankford-Parkland. Coatesville played Unionville-Wissahickon-Neshaminy-Spring-Ford. Big difference? I think not.
Why not make District 12 just the city of Philadelphia? Like Pittsburgh is District 8? Wood, Lasalle so forth would be in district 1. Let them go thought the 4A grind is district 1 playoffs. Really all the PCL teams is win their league in 4A get a buy and wait for the Lehigh Valley teams to beat the crap out of each other. The PCL 4A champion should always go to the state final. They have to wait for an LVC team who just got bloodied through a tough regular season schedule than you get a District 1 team who just went to battle for 4 weeks in the district playoffs. I say make the PCL teams not in the city play in the district they are located in.
@ steve:
Yep, this will be a down year for NP I believe.
I don’t think it will last too long though.
NEXT year will be tough for them too. They re-bracket and will be playing the Neshaminy’s, Pennsbury’s etc again like they used too ( and should).
@ Pub
Coatesville would have made the playoffs last year if there were only 8 teams, they were seeded high enough.
The ONLY year North Penn would have not made playoffs with only 8 teams going was 2 years ago.
Ironically, they went to the states that year.
The PPL only sent 4 to playoffs last year.
16 is just too much. Even if NP would bot have made the playoffs 2 years ago, too bad.
Gotta win during the year to qualify.
I agree, don’t think it will drop back to 8 anytime soon. But they should do something about that bye week in the other bracket.
@Buddy-
Here is the Math. 44 AAAA teams in D1. 16 make Playoffs. 36% of teams make Playoffs. if you have 3 losses, almost a given that you don’t make the playoffs unless you have some big wins (2 teams were 7-3 last year). Using your suggestion, Coatesville would NOT have been in the Playoffs last year. They were not in the top 8 in points.
To compare.. 6 teams (2 play in games) make the Playoffs in Philly Pub out of 11 teams. Over 50% make Playoffs. A few teams had losing records and were in the play in games.
PCL. 4 of 5 AAAA have the Catholic League Playoff to start their Playoff run into Districts. All have good records.
Also, the run by North Penn a few years ago would not have happened with only 8 teams making D1 playoffs. Same scenario, they didn’t have enough points to be in the top 8.
I don’t think going to 8 will happen. Just my opinion!
@ Pub and others,
Did Armageddon occur and I missed it?? Never thought I’d see the day when North Penn wasn’t even in the discussion for State honors let alone Districts!!…. from what I gather it’s true and won’t change in the immediate future. Thought this would never happen unless the school was split, i.e. CB.
I suppose this is just another sign that the apocalypse is upon us..
Joe,
All I was doing was pointing out where the guidelines. Complaining about what other districts do is not D12, Gordon or LaSalle’s style. I do not think that they were forced to play that day. But they would not have made them change their date. Maybe there was a conflict with the venue on Saturday.
We talk about the lack of D1 venues to play playoff games every fall. They don’t need to worry about it this year as the Semi will be in Allentown or at NE. Maybe they can start planning for 2014.
@PCL fan
As it stands now, D12, if they get that far, and they usually do, has an advantage of an extra week to prepare for the state semi.
There currently is a bye week built into the system . They have to wait for D1 to crown a champ.
Supposedly, there is talk to correct that. Not sure how. One proposal, which I favor, is to knock D1 playoff entries from 16 teams to 8.That’s the way it used to be.
I know D1 is big, but 16 teams in the playoffs? Really?
@ pub, Franklin???? Haha, sorry they could be ok but not better then these 3 in AAA It’s a long season in the pub an anything can happen, but from the talk I hear an the 7 on 7s I seen this will be my prediction for the D12 Pub. Always a ton of talent in the Pub.
AAAA Washington, Southern
AAA Gratz, King or Mastery Charter
AA IMHOTEP, Roxborough
@steve-
Thank you my friend. I drove my pick-up with a lift kit to thre game. Had a bow//gun holder in the back.
AA. Imhotep
AAA Franklin
AAAA G Washington
I’m a D 1 guy. Not D12 afficianado. In D1:
AAA. Pottsgrove/Strath Haven
AAAA. Coatesville, Neshaminy, Ridley or Spring-Ford
Like your satirical angle on things. Just saying……. Sorry if I was pissy. My bad!
@PCL fan the dates are set in a bracket yes. But that does not mean anything. The team at the top if the bracket is also supposed to have a game in their district. I can give 2 examples of venue changes made by the PIAA. ACC vs Clearfield in 2010 was played in District 4, Wood vs Selinsgrove in 2009 was played in District 3. In both cases the games were to be played in the home district if the team on top in the bracket as per the district rep. In both cases the away district refused the sight and PIAA changed the site. 2A and 4A are supposed to be played on Sat and 1A and 3A to be played on Fri, yes you are correct. However not every district is playing in the state playoffs at the same time, some are still in district playoffs. The PIAA only gets involved if their is a dispute plain and simple.
Joe
I don’t know if D12 had an issue or not. The target dates for PIAA games are set so no team gets an advantage, everyone is suppose to play on the same days after their district is done. So no one plays on a short week or has extra time to prepare.
@ Joe
Thank you for the clarity, appreciate that.
If it was good for Coach Gordon, I’m satisfied.
@Pub
I thank you my good friend, if the situation presents itself again, will heed your advise. It was my fault totally, should have left an hour earlier than I did. Was breaking in a new chauffeur, everything good now!!
Who do you like as Philly Pub AA,AAA,AAAA champion this year? If that’s not your locale, disregard.
What did u think about the anthracite predictions
So we are all on the same page here. The district rep for the district hosting the game recommends a site, date, and time for the playoff game. The PIAA than takes that recommendation to the away district for their feedback. In most if not all cases the district rep usually speaks to the AD of the school if not the Head Coach. If their was a significant issue raised by the away district rep (which has happened) the PIAA would certainly go back to the home district rep for a change in his recommendation. I don’t have a dog in this fight but I can assure you if playing that date and time was a huge issue to Drew Gordon to where it would impact the game. It would have been changed and more accommodating.
PCL Fan, you are correct!
D12 AAAA has hosted semis at Northeast on Saturdays.
D1 hosted the 2010 semi at PW; LaSalle had nothing to do with that decision.
The Friday game last year for a 4A semi was the first Friday game since 2003. This years game is scheduled for Saturday per the PIAA site as it was last year.
@ Steve
The 2010 State Semi was D1 site selection not D12. 2009 was at Northeast verse Ridley and 2011 was at NE verse North Penn. 2010 was D1’s site and they picked PW.
The 4A semi should be on Saturday per PIAA guidelines. The final is Saturday so should the semis.
Pub School if D12 makes it to the semis this year the game will be at Northeast HS. All their state semi’s are there. The PW game was D1s to host and they picked PW.
@Steve-
I am sure the AAAA semi will be played at PW this year. It’s D12’s turn.. NEHS was not an option last year, live with it. The venue was awesome despite the traffic. you shoulda left earlier to avoid the traffic. just sayin……………..
@steve-
Since D12 has the option of venue this year. I am sure it will be at PW On a SATURDAY!!! Not satire, just a fact. Time will ttell.
@Huck
Ditto to Kmac, your analysis and predictions are lucid and insightful. We enjoy the site very much!!
I’m sure you realize my comments regarding last year’s state semi(time/venue) were satirical in nature. Well, mostly…. 🙂
Kmac, no problem. Yea same guy. Thanks for the support. Very much appreciated!
@Huck
Thank you very much for the D1 power points information. It helps me when I do my own calculations week-to-week for playoffs before the various sites publish them. Enjoy your body of work on Ted Silary’s site; assuming you are the same Huck.
@Steve,
Had to take a little time off and enjoy the summer with the kiddies. Unfortunately son couldn’t enjoy the time with us, damn football! Nice to be back.
@ Russ,
Agree, Parents cause a boat load of problems too. Look at King (D12) not a powerhouse by a long shot, but they got 3 kids going D1. If you can play, you will get noticed. Might be better off being the big dog on a not so good team, than a medium dog on a really good team. Anybody that is looking at college saying NFL is looking at a pipe dream. Those saying Lehigh/Lafayette and a decent job? You win.
Steve, whatever the reason, when it was D-12’s turn to be host they got to do what they wanted. The same can be said for Coatesville and D-1 last year. It’s not like they never played a game on a Friday night before. I just think that is weak. Not saying ideal for everyone, but weak to bring that up and piss about it.
And I realize that you didn’t bring it up in the first place.
Anyway, it was a great game, in a great venue, with a great atmosphere. I loved every minute of it.
@Jive
you hit the nail on the head.. but a lot of people dont realize is that parents also try to get their kids transferred to another school before football season starts.. whether it be the program they are in now isnt a state contender or the kid isnt getttin “noticed” as much as a parent thinks..
Love the revisionist history by the PCL/LS haters, next I’ll read it was a mercy-rule game with a minute to go!!
Coatesville won the game, that’s it. For those who state the several key players who did not participate is not an excuse, just issuing a factual statement. In the end, Coatesville deserved the victory.
As for time and venue discussion:
Got to tell you, real joy traveling up that forever construction riddled 202 corridor on a Friday night at rush hour during the holiday season. We all got in our Mercedes and limousines and eventually got there! PTL.. We probably did benefit by the decreased traffic brought on by the significant portion of Coatesville supporters who were able to walk to the stadium.
As for the PW venue comment. That game could/should have been played at NEHS as it was Dist. 12’s preference for time/venue(it alternates). Coach Beck agreed to the PW site as it was much closer for his large fan base to attend than NE Phila. The time , Sat. afternoon was out of RESPECT to both schools and their fans…..ditto for Ridley 2 yrs. prior.
P.S. I see my man JiveTurkey is back, missed you brother!!
I’m hoping North Penn bounces back so Coatesville can show them the new sheriff in town!
Wow moderator your really deleting my comments?? Kinda sensitive ya think? Must be a LaSalle fan lol. Bottom line as I said and you can delete it if you want but LaSalle brought their refs with them. And Coatesville put out LaSalle players with good clean hard hits. This here is Chester county football that’s what we do.
Philly DLine,
Agree 100% on the recruiting nation topic, they all do it. Let’s not just jump on Catholic and charters though. Washington was the big dog in the pub for a long time, and still right at the top. Most kids on that team don’t live in Somerton and Bustleton. Campbell went to Chestnut Hill, probably got some financial aid, but I’m pretty sure he’s at Cornell now, so I think academically that worked out very well for him. Matt Ryan, as with 90% of his family (cousins and all), went to and paid for Penn Charter. These recruits are not really an issue so much because they are not PIAA schools. I think the other guy you mentioned was Dez Peoples, along with education and preparation for the next level. Did stealing him from Prep improve his chances in either category? I’ve said it a hundred times, they all recruit. The only problem I have is with the coaches that recruit players that already are playing at other high schools. Knock yourself out and see every CYO, middle school, and pound ball game to get kids to your school. However, when you bring in a Junior that has mastered his craft by way of another school/coaching staff, don’t pat yourself on the back for great coaching. Your really not a great anything but thief.
Kmac, yes the system will be in place for all classes in D1. For example, North Penn loses to LaSalle who finishes 9-1. Then NP will have 90 points instead of zero from that game.
@KMc-
Don’t try to change the subject. The D1 AAAA final was at the same location on the same night. Friday night!! Admit it , you were wrong.
@KMc:
Did Coatesville have off that day?
That’s the lame-ist excuse I heard yet.
Be careful what you wish for. If LaSalle had beaten Coatesville then they would have played N. Allegheny in the final. They would have had their hands full, that’s all I’ll say.
Anyone?
The buzz last season was that District One was going to award the 10 bonus points for an opponents win this season (2013)REGARDLESS if a team won or lost the game. This was to reward teams for playing quality schedules non-league. Of course the loser still gets zip for the particular game, but can pickup points for their opponents wins. The D1 website still has the old wording that only wins get the bonus points. Does anyone know if the policy will be in place?
KMc, surely you’re not serious. D1 home site. They determine venue and day. Didn’t LaSalle play an East Final at P-W? That’s their home field.
KMc stop making excuses and man up hahahhahaha
@KMc-
Boo hoo! As they say on ESPN Gameday… “C’mon man”!! Injuries, long day at school, wrong venue, wrong day, etc Any more excuses.?? Clearly losing with dignity is not in your vocabulary. Win with class and lose with class. No excuses! It’s football.
@KMc,
I wish LaSalle would have won that game. We all agree that North Allegheny would have taken them behind the woodshed the way they did to Coatesville. People come up with the silliest excuses as to why they didn’t win a game. You lost fair and square. Ha, of course isn’t that what losers do, make excuses?
Was Coatesville better than LaSalle last year because they beat LaSalle in the eastern final? I don’t think Coatesville was better, but they still won the east. Was Malvern better than Coatesville last year? Absolutely not, but Malvern beat them. I really don’t think LaSalle was better than Prep last year, but they beat them in the CL championship game. Good teams are gonna beat other good teams, and would not beat them same teams next time, or maybe they would. It is what it is. Is Coatesville gonna walk through all of these small college teams right to Hershey this year? I doubt it, but that’s a conversation to start around week 5. Games start in 24 days, should get an idea of who’s good, and who’s not, after they line up a few times.
It’s undoubtably a “recruiting nation.”
The top schools that are always in contention for state titles are private/Charter schools(LaSalle, Wood, Prep, Allentown CC, West Catholic) but there’s always a public school that has a talented class of returning players that goes deep in the playoffs. Now, I know Lasalle, Wood & Prep doesn’t recruit as heavily as they once did , but, they can thank the college like recruiting a decade or so ago that brought players from the area to start the “ball moving” for players to travel some distance to play for a program that can provide great education, winning attitude & preparation for the next level. Very similar to college programs. Now when there’s players like Rashad Campbell, Dez Peoples, Matt Ryan and so on that’s when you see the heavy recruiting. You mostly see this at the AAAA & AAA level but in the past few season we have seen AA & A participate in this college-like recruiting process. Due to recruiting, it forced public schools to jump on the bandwagon (will not mention coaches or programs that are always “tip-toeing” around state officials to get a player to move into their district).
There’s still some programs that have such tradition that kids still go to there hometown school. I think schools like Wyomissing is an example but hey, I’m a Philly guy so I have to show some love to the area with programs like North Penn, Pottsgrove, Strath Haven, Bristol, etc…..
My expectations are gonna be the same as last year
I expect either D1/D12 in the finals for AAAA/AAA with the possibility of seeing a D12 school in AA. Single-A watch out for Bristol, I do think they got a run in them but like last year it will most likely be stopped short of a Championship appearance
@KMc those kids make a choice to get up at 5:00 am to attend that school……… If the PIAA wanted a Pub School to win than the PCL would have never been admitted to the PIAA. Lasalle lost it happens. These arguments are why their are so many anti-PCL people. If the roles would have been reversed and Lasalle won but 2-3 Coatsville players would have been hurt and Coatsville fans would acting like SOME (not all) of the PCL fans are about this topic, all we would hear about is how everyone talks down to the mighty PCL, and they are jealous of us
It’s very true that most teams have injuries at that point of the season. What hurt LS in that game is that they lost 3 starters during that game. Coleman was their MVP. Tough to overcome. Still, I loved Coatesville’s team. They were fast! Reminded of the WC team from ’08 in that regard. LaSalle did a nice job of making a game of it. I don’t recall the “driving” rain. But it was mostly damp and there was some drizzle, mist throughout. Maybe, I just don’t recall. Coatesville won fair and square. Also, the glass slipper/Cinderella reference didn’t apply to them. They were legit!
Lets face it, PIAA wanted a public school to win that game. They couldn’t have made it more advantageous to Coatesville if they just handed them the trophy without playing the game. There’s no way that having the game held on a Friday night in one teams back yard versus having the other team have to put in a full day of school (in many cases that means getting up at 5:00 am to get a 6:00 am bus), put in a rigorous school day, and then bus them over an hour to a stadium to play a 7:00 pm game was not done so that the public school would win. If this was a fair game it would have been held on a Saturday at a place that was equal distance to both schools. LaSalle had already put in a 12-14 hour day before the game even began.
@ Buddy
It means that Coatsville’s glass slipper from 2012 will not fit in 2013…
@ Pub School
LaSalle was riddled with injuries going into that game not to mention LaSalle’s all everything Sean Coleman went down early in the game as well as one their top lineman in Tom Spiteri… Coatsville was very good last year… LaSalle had no answer for their speed… However LaSalle came back in a driving rain in the second half and were a dropped pass or two away from advancing to Hershey.
@steve-
Coatesville beat you. Had 3 TD’s called back. It coulda been 60-34. Live with it. They were the better team last year. Not a question. Every team has injuries that time of year. Grow a set and stop whining about last year. LS wasn’t good enough last year. The better team won. This year is this year. Let them play and decide this year. Good luck!
@ChiefRaider(aka..inverse Mensa)
Real beating?? They were dropped endzone passes away from the biggest collapse in PAHS football playoff history against an injury riddled squad.
Speaking of beatings, you boys thank Art Walker for the humane liberal 2nd half substitutions in that mercy killing title game?? They could have laid a hundred!!
Explorer for life:
What’s that have to do with this year???
A lot of kids never get a shot until senior year and have to make the best of it and do.
Chief Raider is delusional. Coatsville almost spit the bit in that Semi last year. LaSalle dropped a TD
Obviously the college coaches are evaluating Austin Seamon on his size and not his ability. I’ve watched this kid for years and he’s impressed me EVERY time.
PCL, I saw that. Supposedly the kid did well at some kind of QB camp. Did a little digging and it appears he’ll be a sophomore and is a transfer from Upper Dublin. Unfortunately, he may not get a shot until senior year if Shurmur is the real deal. But you can never have too many of them.
@chiefradar
Have you seen your team this year? Is the small college comment a safety net in case you don’t beating on that small college that recruits?
Huck you were asking about LaSalle’s other top QB coming in. Your Boy Rick O’Brien posted it on twitter yesterday.
Lots going on. For Rick to catch wind of something it needs to be out there for some time.
thanks joe dobbs andmark d. no offers hard to figure.
Big year for coatesville again. Looking forward to seeing them put a beating on lasalle or whatever small college that recruits they play this year. See you in Hershey!
@ Sam as of now Austin Seamon has no offers to play football in collage.I am being told he going to Bloomberg and may walk on next year.
@Ron i hope your right, in my opinon no game should be played at that field it just a terrible venue for all the reasons you listed.Protest have been filed before and have fallen on deaf ears.
@ trad31 i stand corrected it was 2005 with Liberty but it may have happen twice.
Austin Seamon is going to Bloomsburg. He intends to try to walk on.
went to lion’s club dream game wednesday good game i have to say every time i saw dunmore play, and now in tonights dream game dunmore’s austin seamon stands out. whether on offense or defense he seems to always come up with a game changing play. i have not heard where he is going to school. anyone know? dunmore is supposed to be good again this year but they lost some really good players, mike boland, mike kolcharno, jake korgeski, john rinaldi, matt o’connor, cory jones and austin seamon.
@rob1
They do have 2 qbs dale berkheimer n now sophmore reeves which has a cannon for a arm. They only graduated 5 seniors. But I hope like u said the only way to go is up!
@breonn
Coming off an 0-10 season, the only way to go is up I guess. They should beat Tunkhannock but the rest of the schedule doesn’t look favorable. They lose their QB and 1000 yd rusher too. No idea what they have coming back other than those guys.
Recruiting argument once and for all. First of all I don’t really care who wins in HS athletic competition. I think the word recruiting is thrown out there like this is college football, which it’s not. Anyways, the rich get richer because you can go to any catholic school you want if you live anywhere close. So that is why LaSalle, Wood, Imhotep, etc always field really good teams. Anyone can just opt out of their school and end up there. Obviously that gives someone a distinct advantage when anyone can go to school where ever they want. It’s like Florida HS football, open enrollment. It doesn’t matter where you live, you can play football at whatever school you please. When I lived in California Mater Dei used to have families sponsor students so they’d attend the school. Excellent athletes every single year. That is the only way schools like Wood & Imhotep & WC can have D-1 players every year or biyearly!
Does anyone think williamsport in AAAA is gonna have any better of a season this yr then last?? They have their big boy Tawney playing oline this yr and he looked pretty good at the temple camp last weekend!!
@ The Truth
Are you attempting to put Imhotep in the same academic circle as LS?
not sure Id ever talk about Imhoteps academics.
I second Huck on this, LaSalle is King in PCL 4A until someone knocks them off the hill. Granted they lost a lot but they just plug and play with a program player. Ironically, SJP and LaSalle have the same issue this season with their line. Both are inexperienced but appear to be in the position to do the job. The real test will come if these teams meet in the playoffs. Shurmur vs Martin-Meachen vs Moffet and Zacheus-Herron vs Reid, Mcallister and Johnson. Line vs Line!!
Can’t wait!
Paul, no reason for me not to believe that their line will at minimum be functional. The coaching is too good. The kids that come through the program are smart and fundamental. Very coachable and that goes a long way.
@ Huck and PCL Fan et al
It will all come down to the O Line for La Salle. They have all the pieces as far as passing (Shurmur), running (Meachem) and receiving (Herron et al). Of course injuries may come into play but it will come down to their line and what Coach Dom can do with them. It’s that simple.
PCL Fsn, how am I talking down on LaSalle? Listen close, ok. Until someone knocks them off they are the team to beat in the PCL 4A. Do I need to repeat it?
All I said is that they lost their fair share of starters. Fact! However, I also mentioned that they have gotten to the point that they can reload, rather than rebuild. That’s a compliment, brother.
Oh yea, I picked LaSalle to win the PCL 4A in 2010. Check the site if you need confirmation.
Jive, I did read it. You told him that they didn’t have a 3,000-yard rusher last year. That was true. All I did was let you know what he was referring, too. They had a 3,000-yard career rusher. Did it bother you that I filled you in on what he meant? I wasn’t trying to get under your skin, but fill you in a little.
As far as the other stuff, I really have no opinion. I’d don’t know the kid who he is talking about. I guess he could be very good. Maybe, that poster is a little over the top, too, I really don’t care. I do not think that Roxborough will be a factor, though.
@Huck
Not real sure what the infatuation with me is, but maybe I’ll start a twitter page so you can follow me. I can let you know when and what I eat for breakfast/lunch/dinner/snack etc. Allow me to invite you into the conversation, that you failed to fully read. A poster made a comment that I agreed with. Another poster jumped in and made a statement that no other carries were available for other players on a team. The main back carried the ball 139 times. There were another 211 carries spread out through 11 kids. The player in question got 2 of them carries. You caught up yet? It took me less than 5 minutes to find this information. Next time you feel the blood flowing from seeing a post from me, please take the 5 minutes and read the conversation. Perhaps you could look up some stuff and bring something to the conversation too. Thanks
Huck you were talking down on LaSalle after the 2009 season too. Same stuff about them losing everyone. How did 2010 work out for Lasalle? Expect the same this year.
Jive, kind of hard to rush for 3,000 in a season. I believe 2,800+ is the city record. You probably should have recognized that. Anyway, what he was saying is that Ben Coulibaly was a 3,000-yard rusher for his career. That’s a real solid number for a career, too.
As far as this kid at Roxborough, I have no clue. I guess he could end up being a nice player. I don’t think Rox. will be much of a factor either way, though.
That’s the thing about North Penn, they have such a huge enrollment so they’re bound to have a good starting lineup and depth. Couple that with excellent coaching and the community support, voila, a quality program. Just have a hunch they’ll fare well against LS in this opener.
SteveS, who is the other QB? I agree with you that LS has talent moving up. Hence, my reload, not rebuild theory. They proven that for some time now.
I’m just saying that NP has a fine traditional and student base that few in this state can match. And because of this it’s always possible that they may produce an elite club in any given year. Time will tell, of course.
Truth, I like your style. Have we ever met?
@Truth,
I wanted to stay away from this Imhotep BS, but that post you made just needs a response. I’m done with the back and forth on recruiting, EVERYBODY DOES IT! Coach Crosby does a ton for the kids, and kids go there for that. Where you kinda got in my crawl was with the good academic athletic program thing. Imhotep ranks 593rd out of 676 high schools in the state in regards to academics. They are 32% below state average in math, 19% below state average in reading, 37% below state average in science, and 16% below state average in writing. Nobody else out there denies recruiting, not sure why you do. But, to compare Imhotep academically to the other schools you mentioned is a flat out embarrassment to them schools. That is the TRUTH!
@Wubble,
Where I didn’t start the conversation, nor doubt Ed Wright was a real person, let me enlighten you. No 3000 yd rushers on Boys Latin last year. #22 carried the ball 139 times for 898 yds. #16 115-502, #33 38-176, rest of team beside Wright had 56-195. Wright had 2-12 in a game BL won 40-12. There were 209 carries by other 10 players, so I think an absolute stud would have gotten more than the lesser side of 1%. Like I said earlier, this was not a conversation I started however, for some reason you felt to come at me, so there’s your facts. Don’t know if you are a Philly high school coach, but if you are? Wow!
I think people are selling Lasalle way short on here. They have never won with big time recruited players. They won with hard working discipline kids. Lasalle will plug kids in who are jr or sr that have worked really hard and been coach really well for the past 2-3 years. I for one will be very surprised if Imhotep beats them. Not to sell Imhotep short I know they are very talented team and would consider it a disappointment if they don’t reach the AA state championship game. But I got lasalle winning by 1 or 2 TDs.
@ The Truth
Well said. Not all the star athletes are recruited at these schools. Many go in with the desire and determination to become part of a winning program but also for the academics.
What I was speaking to a few days ago was which coaches are helping “push” their kids to the next level. Devlin absolutely helps his kids get noticed and that brings notoriety to the program that will attract talented athletes. So he is creating a legacy program. He came from Prep a few years ago and brought Peoples in – correct? I thought I heard the one who was going to Rutgers is now at a JUCO. Any truth to that?
Here we go again.. When WC was dominant they said they recruited.. When LaSalle was dominating everyone, they said they were recruiting. When Wood was killing everyone, they said they were recruiting.
Let it be known Steve, every team that has a winning PROGRAM are not recruiting, kids want to come because of the well structured program with committed YEAR-AROUND coaches.
Imhotep’s oline has all been there since they were freshmen. If you know these kids story you wouldn’t say what you say and since they are KIDS I will not share the TRUTH of the obstacles and adversities these young-men have endured and are overcoming.
Do not compare having a good academic athletic programs with recruitment, because all the before mentioned schools are good academic athletic programs.. And when you have good academic athletic programs, the student-athletes will come as freshmen.. That’s not recruiting, that’s marketing.
Ask Apple..
@ Huck
LaSalle has more depth than most think. Yes they lost a lot of starters but there is a lot of talent coming up. Unfortunately, the way they run their program, those kids never saw a varsity game last year or if they did, it was for 1 play. That is why they never get many looks by college coaches.
And they were lucky to get two new QB’s. That was their weakest link – they had no one to take the position. First three weeks of their season will be most telling.
Just waiting to see the Imohtep vs. LS game.
@ Steve 7/29, 10:27pm
Can you please username “Steve1” or “Steve2” or “Stevie Wonder”. Don’t want to upset my brother Jive, thinking that was me!!
Thanks, Steve
@Jive
Edinton wright is who hes talking about, I am a philly coach and have seen him at different workouts. The kid is a monster, the reason you didn’t see him on the roster is cause he was at AAA Boys Latin last yr where he played behind a 3000 yard rusher an nobody saw carries. He has transferred to Rox. But I will validate he is real and is a player.
????, I agree with you. Just saying its nothing new. They were big last year, too. Like I said, they are more than likely the biggest OL in the state regardless of class. That definitely counts for something, but isn’t always the be all end all.
@Huck
I’m just saying that a line that’s average 6’4 in height and 290 pounds now that’s a pretty impressive line at the AA level. With 3 experience starters on the line to coach the younger ones up is great.
Imhotep the ultimate fraud educational school that is really a recruiting program. Good luck if you don’t make the pro’s. You’ll be on the street where you came from
@Gabe,
I think you are dead on. However, I fell for it. I was gonna suggest Pborough31 check into the kid again because he had the wrong school. Roxborough was 4-7 last year, had nobody rush for more than 239yds, and no Ed Wright. If the kid was/is a stand out, we would have heard his name already, especially playing AA Pub.
Buddy, LaSalle lost a lot of starters, too. On defense they return 4 starters. On offense, they return just two. Now, traditionally having great numbers and the ability to reload rather than rebuild should help. But with a school of the size of NP, then can’t the same be said about them?
LaSalle is fortunate that the get a promising QB coming in. They can thank the Eagles for canning Andy Reid and hiring Chip Kelly for this. I guess the rich get richer. Now, the kid lacks varsity experience, but all indications are that he’s a keeper.
Imhotep’s OL was huge last year and four of them are back. Actually, they moved a returning starter off of there for time being and to strictly DL. They’ll have two sophomores starting there now. The idea is to develop younger kids to have returners next year.
Hard to imagine any line, at any level, being bigger. Still, size isn’t always everything. I remember a West Cath line in ’04. It featured Slocum and Hand, two D-1 recruits. It averaged about 6’3″, 290 LBs across the board. This was before the PCL entered PIAA play, but they lost to a Wood team 29-0 in the PCL Blue final. Sometimes a smaller, fast, talented defense can maneuver around big lines like this.
North Penn @ LaSalle……. week 1
LaSalle should, and probably will, win this one.
I’m just curious to see if NP has anything at all this year. We know LS has returning talent, but NP lost most of their starters, especially offense.
@groat
Didn’t look unusual to me
@17th
Yeah I’m excited as well for that match but I’m surprised that the line is so big. But I seen them put Ruff at guard. I feel sorry for who ever is in his way if he stay at guard and end up pulling from the line. That’s a scary sight 6’6 300+ coming towards you.
Peterborough31,
Come on, man. The shameless promotion of your “RB/WR” son (or nephew?) at Roxborough High is obvious and sad. Your heart’s in the right place, but we all know a bs post when we see it.
This question was posted on NorthPaFootball.com’s website and I wanted to see what everyone here thought. What week 1 game are you looking forward to the most?
@????
I have seen the Imhotep line and they are big and your heights are about right. Ruff is a massive MAN at 6-6 and well over 300 lbs. I know he has a couple BIG10 and ACC offers but I am pretty sure he committed to Temple to stay local. The other linemen are all 6-5/6-6 except for one who might be 6-2.
Imhotep scrimmages St. Joe’s Prep in 3 weeks. That line will be the first indication of the Prep’s defensive of lines ability. I am really looking forward to that match up!
I saw a player at a recent combine in PA there is a RB/WR named Ed Wright 6-1 205lb upcoming Jr at I believe Roxborough High. This kid is something special, I thought he was a college player but he’s 16, his build isn’t like any other HS player. I saw him run & catch an I was very impressed. After talking with one of the coaches doing the clinic they think he will be a top rusher in the city and has a bright future. He also said Roxborough has a lot of athletes to compete and a new transfer Soph QB that is amazing to watch run and throw. Good to hear struggling programs coming back.
I’m hearing Good things about the Biglerville Canners. Do they have what it takes to win D3 AA?
I saw imhotep practice last Tuesday there o line is mammoth 6’6 T
6’5 G
6’1 C
6’5 G
6’6 T
Man if that line doesn’t scare you idk what will but I’m not extremely accurate on the 6’6 so yet but he’s a big kid tho but I’m just going on how they looked to the public. They moved the kid temple kid to guard for a AA school they have a huge line. Not saying that there line is solid but it has the size of a NFL team
Guys, before discussing where the AAA 2 final will be played, let’s see a few games played. A lot of upsets occur in the first round. Plus, one upset loss could change seeding. That’s what happened to VV in 2011, a one point loss to Prep cost them home field, had to play on a slow, muddy track at Dallas. I’m sure Abington and Berwick’s coaches are thrilled their teams have been so annointed.
@mark d
Reasons for not playing d2 final at the pit:
1. limited seating on visitors side
2. no restroom facities on visitors side
3. terrible parking
4. field is in horrible shape in november
If Berwick files a complaint with d2, game will be at Scranton,
@mark d actually you are referencing the game between Abington heights and Bethlehem liberty high school which was played at the pit in 2006. Liberty did not want to play there due to inadequate seating on the visitors side. They had a wide spread fan base and an ENORMOUS band.
@ Ron agree with you on Berwick and Abington being the class of D2 this year.Idont know about Berwick but Abington will be big up frount.the one thing i will disagree with if Abington is the top seed that game will be at the pit.D2 rules say the highest seed is home, no way will Abington agree to move that game in the late 90 they went to court to keep the central bucks west state game at the pit !
In D2 AAA, there is no question Berwick and AH are at the top. Both have talented skill players, good coaching and strong lines. Should they play in the title game, I think it will be very close. From there on down, it gets muddy. I don’t know much about which Lackawanna teams will be strong, but in the WVC, there are a few that could make the playoffs. I think Crestwood has a favorable schedule which almost was enough to put them in the playoffs last year. Crestwood has two very good athletes in the backfield with Popson at QB and Aigeldinger at RB. However, they will have to make some magic happen with their offensive line for this to mean anything. Coughlin is another team that plays tough. The problem I see here is that their stud RB Evans from last year is gone. It will be hard to fill his shoes and he was a huge part of their mild success last year finishing 6-4. Dallas can also squeeze into the final spot. After the first 3 games in which they were terrible, especially on defense, I think the players started feeling comfortable with the new defense. They won the next 7 games, including 3 shutouts outscoring their opponents by some obscene numbers. Statistically, they had the 2nd best defense (only to Berwick) in the WVC. However, Dallas lost a lot of talent. This will make it a struggle for them. I also hear that Pittston may be a surprise this year. I don’t know how much they have returning.
@ rob Berwick and Abington Heights will be the 2 best 2 teams in d2 this year, either in aaa or aaaa. Del Valley and Scranton lost a lot of quality players from 2012. AH should be 10-0 this year. Show and Hollander will be their playmakers, along with a good line should not be tested during the regular season
Berwick has cj curry back at qb, dain Kowalski will be primary running back, but Berwick is 4 deep at running back. receivers are tall,fast, and have great hands. offensive line will be bigger and stronger. Defense will be better than last year Berwick will be tested against valley west at home, if they can beat, look for a 10-0 season
Since AH plays a tougher schedule they will bet more state points than Berwick, but d2 final will not be played at the pit, it will be moved to Scranton. both teams are pretty even so game will be a tossup.
@mark From what I have heard AH is going to have a pretty big offensive line this season. I also heard that Hollander has improved a lot in the off season with speed and added about 15lbs (He is the kid who ran the kickoff back against Berwick in the district final and also caught a TD). I did hear that Show will now be at QB for this year. They are also getting there starting running back to return to the lineup after tearing his ACL mid way through the regular season.
@mark
I just don’t see it. The problem that Redeemer has every year is on defense. They can’t stop anyone. They lost a huge chunk of their D line last year that wasn’t that great to begin with and their linebackers are pretty small. On offense they have a solid QB/WR combo but they can’t run the ball to save their lives and they lost 4/5 lineman to graduation. The QB is going to have 2 seconds to throw back there (if that) and that’s why they won’t win many games. They will beat Hanover, Nanticoke and I’m pretty sure they have some crappy out of conference team on their slate. There is no chance in hell a team that can give up 40+ pts per game for the last 3 years can be competitive the next.
@Groat
In HS sports, teams can be tough to follow as we all know because of the limited coverage in the offseason. But Im pretty sure Abington is going to be solid. They have Show who is the best athlete in the area, and a good WR named Hollander. AH usually has a good line too. Also, Berwick is going to be good but once again people are overhyping them. There have been much better Berwick teams in recent memory. Berwick has a lot of unproven skill kids and lineman.
D2 Followers:
What are your thoughts on last year’s champ, Abington Heights? Do they have enough coming back to repeat? To beat a talented Berwick team? Any confirmation that JC Show will line up at QB? I’d have to think they want their best athlete to touch the ball every play and with no proven QB coming back, the passing game might not be there.
@ Rick D
If you read my post, I said Dallas will be closer to the bottom of the standings then to the top of the standings. They lost a ton of talent. I keep reading about all of the talent they have on this year’s team and I just don’t see it. Without Jackson’s tough guy persona, this year’s team will play more like Zaruta’s persona and go 4-6 at best. I do think Lehman gets the shoe back this year.
Holy Redemer will compete this year. It is easy to say they suck, they have for years, but I’m telling you they will compete. I know alot of these kids and in talking to them they think they can win. That’s were it starts. Once you believe,you go from there.
In the last 4 years Wood/Devlin has sent 31 players to colleges … that’s 31 kids paying little or nothing for their college education … 7 playing D1 … that’s “showcasing his players” for sure … don’t know about new faces there this year, but supposedly the freshman group coming in is outstanding even by Wood standards … more talent for the future.
Let’s talk about recruiting. Let’s talk LaSalle. One D1 recruit from Philly?? None from Bucks, Montgomery, Chester, Delaware or Jersey. That’s all?? Don’t think LaSalle is recruiting players for football is they have no depth at all.
As for Wood, hell yes! Devlin is out there showcasing his players in front of college coaches. Not all talented but he gets the job done to bring more talent in the future to the school.
And Prep, yet to be seen. Talented group this year.
Now for athletes graduating at 20+ from high school. They sure are – held back in kindergarten and then repeating 9th grade. There should be something done to stop this – but don’t hold your breathe folks.
this year should be interesting – going to see a lot of new faces.
@Huck thank you for the reply, but yes i was asking Rick D about Scranton Prep.
@Rob the only problem i see with Honesdale is they play that light schedule. Will have a hard time getting playoff points.
Rob, ugh! My bad. Thanks for the clarification.
17th, good feedback. Appreciated.
@Huck
Good assessment on the Prep. The issue could be the line play mainly on offense. I think defense is in better shape then everyone anticipated. Across the board depth is an issue but the skills positions are covered. Trust me they have more then enough skill players. The other surprise will be the offense’s ability to throw points on the board. This was an issue last year and don’t see it being an issue this year. It looks as if they will use every ounce of speed that have this season and they have gobs of it! That is all I have to say! I agree with you on the less then stellar start with a strong finish.
@huck
Mark d is referring to Scranton prep, and yes, they have unproven skill kids which is why I’m not sold on them. I think Honesdale is a sleeper.
Mark D, the word you got about SJP’s skill kids being young is inaccurate. It’s the strength of their team. They return their QB, a top WR, top 2 RBs (One with D1 offers who will be a jr), and John Reid who will be one of the most sought after recruits in the state. He’ll play some slot WR on offense.
The OL you mentioned is Jon Runyan, a riding jr and returning starter. His best days are ahead of him. He’s not exactly mammoth just yet. They lost 4 starting OL and both TEs. This is where they will be young.
Defensively, they lost 6 of their front 7, including a trio of terrific LBs. They return a starting DL, but this rising sophomore has been moved to LB. They do return 2 starting DBs (including Reid). So, that terrific defense lost 8 of 11 starters.
The belief is that SJP has crept back to the days of reloading, so they think they will be fine by season’s end. Still, they play an ambitious schedule and some growing pains appear to be evident.
I think they can have a terrific season, but until someone dethrones LaSalle I still feel they are team to beat. Even if LS lost key pieces as well.
What about the Friends League? That’s another league independent of the PIAA. Do they also have fifth and sixth year seniors? I was wondering about that. I don’t think they would be any threat in football but without a doubt in basketball. Academy of the New Church can ball. They’ve been in the USA Today rankings and I think they knocked off one of those N. Jersey powerhouses a few years back.
@Rick D you seem to be on the Prep band wagon,i know they have a big d1 kid anchoring their lines, but the word i got is they are very young at the skill postions.You have a scoop on them ?
@Huck,
I do agree 100% about the tradition and comfort in their league. I have a few relatives that have played in the Inter Ac. I know for sure that 2 of them were 5th year players and another who played a 6th, it happens. It may not be the norm, but it happens. If you want a chuckle, check out the Malvern captains picture on silary from 2012. How many of them “kids” would you card at a bar?
Jive, you are correct that 5th year seniors do exist on IA teams from time to time. This is definitely one issue that they would have to change if they ever wanted to join the PIAA. Also, I don’t think the people running the IA really have great desire to join the PIAA. They enjoy their traditions and comfortable league. I don’t see them wanting to disrupt this any time soon. Maybe, down the line it could happen.
6th yr seniors and 21-year old men was quite dramatic if you ask me. Just a little bit of an embellishment on your part. But do what you have to do to get your point across.,
@Steven j Kelly,
The Inter Ac will not be permitted to participate in the PIAA until it stops allowing 5th and 6th year seniors. PIAA does not think it’s fair, and neither do I for that matter, to have 21 year old men playing against 15 year old children.
@RickD
Graduated from Lehman in 2011. Played football every year in the Lehman organization from 7th to 12th grade. Played bball too.
@Groat
Just because Dallas handled LL last year doesn’t mean they’ll have an easy time this year too. In 09, Lehman lost to Dallas 48-6 and the next year, lost 28-21. A year makes a huge difference, especially in high school sports.
When is the Inter Ac going to join the PIAA? I have been living out here in Columbus for 5 years and I am still waiting. It will only make their non league games better. My son was a CHA grad the first year they came back into the league.
I see a similar result for Dallas this year as in 2012. They start the season with AAAA WVW, 2012 District Champ AH and 2012 District runner-up Berwick. After that the schedule becomes manageable with potential close games against Coughlin and Crestwood. Lehman will be a good team, but judging by last year’s game, Dallas shouldn’t have too much of a problem with them. 7-3 regular season, maybe they lose one they should win and finish 6-4, but maybe then win one they should lose and finish 8-2. I will withhold judgment on the new coach for a little while. Give him the benefit of the doubt. Not sure I can write someone off as a failure and horrible coach after one season (especially a playoff season with no bad losses). We will see what happens this year, another year removed from Jackson.
hey guys see the preview for Holy Redeemer,their coach thinks they can be a 7-3 team this year.Maybe just maybe Mark didnt have to much to drink before he posted his picks!I got to go with Rob on Dallas believe me i know what a coaching change can do to a program i a Valley View guy.Dallas has tough nose kids who seem to be in the hunt every year i wouldnt count them out. But lets face it when was the last time a d2 school above aa won a state playoff game.Our power programs over the years Abington Berwick Dallas or Valley View have done nothing on the State stage!
@ Rob
You are absolutely correct Rob. They have tons of talent and SHOULD make the playoffs but they will not. Berwick, Abington and Prep will definitely make the AAA playoffs in my opinion. That leaves just one spot up for grabs. Dallas will certainly start out 0-3 and I think that will turn into a bad season and many bad seasons to come. It might be wishful thinking but I think LL can beat them this year and for many years to come. I cannot see Zaruta lasting very long I was told their numbers are way down. However I hope he does stick around for awhile because that will mean LL can finally win some Old Shoe games….
On a side note Rob – do you have kids that play at LL?
Joe, there are more than 5-6 good D12 teams. And the football played in D12 is just as good as any other district in the state. Why? Because in the 2A, 3A, and 4A class D12 will have their share of state title worthy teams. It’s not silly to think this.
Since 2008 in those three classifications there have been a total of 15 state semifinals. D12 has had a representative in 14 of them (PCL 13 of the 14).
@RickD
I am also a Lehman guy but Dallas should make the playoffs this year. They lost a bunch of key players but return some very talented players as well. Dallas always reloads, and I don’t think even Zaruta will screw up this years team. Too much talent. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Dallas take the shoe this year either.I know both teams fairly well and although LL is supposed to be decent, they are as one dimensional as it gets, and their competition might not prepare them. Look how WA is 8-2 every year and when they play PA they either narrowly win or lose — same thing.
@ Groat
I do not think your argument about Dallas holds water. Anything Dallas has accomplished since 1999 or prior to 1999 is directly tied to Coach Jackson. They certainly have not lost “routinely” to Berwick, VV or AH. In Jackson’s last year they hung 50+ on Berwick and had VV beat in the district title game before their QB got hurt (plus they turned the ball over 5 or 6 times). Dallas was the D2 AAA champ in 1999 beating VV and since then they have won a ton of playoff games including 2 trips to the district final and 2 or 3 EC titles not to mention MULTIPLE WVC titles. It is unfair to criticize playoff losses over a span of over a decade because unless you win a district, EC or state title………….obviously everyone loses playoff games. Coach Jackson is a Hall of Fame coach who won A LOT more football games than he should have during all his years at Dallas. Don’t forget that Dallas is among the SMALLEST AAA schools in the state and they were even AA for awhile during the 2000s if my memory serves correctly.
Dallas was 7-4 last year and I honestly believe that was because of the program that was instilled in the players by Coach Jackson and not because of the new coaching staff. They won 3 consecutive WVC titles and made it to 2 D2 title games in 3 years in Jackson’s last 3 years. Last years team accomplished NOTHING other than beating my Lehman Black Knights in their rival game. There is NO WAY they make the AAA playoffs this year and they should get used to it because the program will completely fall apart under this Zaruta guy. I am certain you will see evidence of this very soon as I was told they are struggling to get players to join the team and/or show up for workouts.
I am a Lehman guy and I would be THRILLED if Lehman had as many postseason appearances (let alone postseason wins) as Dallas had. And there are SEVERAL teams in the WVC and LFC that feel the same way I’m sure.
Talk to any coach in the WVC Groat…..and the fact is that they are not worried about Dallas anymore. Dallas is NOT a contender anymore because Coach Jackson is not there. The guy won over 230 games………..that doesn’t happen by accident. The program built at Dallas is over.
@Huck their is absolutely no question that their are bad teams average teams, and good teams in every district. Only 4 great teams exist in each class a year sometimes 2. However to say “the bigger districts” comment you made is absurd. Nobody questions how good Lasalle, Prep are in the elite class of 4A, Wood is the class of 3A, to a lesser extent O’Hara would compete, and West Catholic, and Imhotep are in the elite class of 2A. I just named 6 schools from 3 classes in an area with largest amount of people in the entire state and claim that district is just as good as other districts is silly. The population for Philadelphia is 1.5 million people I would hope they can field 5-6 good football teams a year. My question is why are their not more than 5-6 good football teams? I guess good football players are only bread in certain parts of the Philly metro area. Since the “Mighty PCL” has joined the PIAA they have about the same amount of state titles as every other Eastern PA Diatrict. It’s all comparable with state titles. I guess you can name all the times you came in second and say we’ve been there. But if anyone whoever competed said “well we’ve been their, that’s all that matters, not winning it” well then I guess you have never competed!
@ Rob
I think you misunderstood my comment. I was merely rebutting Rick’s comment that suggested Dallas is not a contender solely because they don’t have Jackson. Dallas made the playoffs the last few years, including last year without Jackson. I suspect they will be the 4th team in this year as well. My point being that making the playoffs and losing has been the typical post-season for Dallas since 1999. I don’t state this to belittle Dallas teams, but just to show that the reason for the results may have more to do with other factors (like size of school compared to other AAA teams, rather than a coach).
I saw a whole different game rocky. But it’s only 7on7. Imhotep first scrimmage is at St Joes in New Jersey. That should give us all a better measurement.
How about we do this. Lets convince the Piaa to have an all star game with just the districts. For instance, the best of District 12 vs the best of District xx. Then we will see whose top dawg. Until, let the kids play and everyone else watch.
@john
LeSalle vs. Prep will again be a two game series this year. I think you are dead on on your line point. Both teams have a very good but inexperienced line. The length of the season might benefit SJP’s line. Unfortunately for the Explorers, I think the talent scales tile hugely to the SJP direction and they squeak by LaSalle this year. INJURIES will be huge for both teams.
@Rocky
GDUB has a 7v7 with SJP this week. We might have a little better idea where they stand after that night! SJP was extremely flat against Coatesville last week but walked away petty even. Defense struggle a little but the offense dis very well. Should be interesting this week!
@Rocky
Imhotep was missing a lot of starters on defense
I believe there are great competitive teams in D12, its just hard to get out of the city when the top 3 teams are the top 3 teams in the state- literally.
Huck, I was at the Washington/Imhotep 7on7 game and saw all offense. The eagles looked sharp but didn’t have a lot of players. Imhotep had a lot of players but their defense got picked apart by Washington’s 2nd string QB. The new OC of Washington (formerly of Frankford)was more enthused then the players and the Imhotep defensive players were getting verbally abused by their coaches throughout the game… not a good look for a team returning so many players, they were very confused.
Imhotep offense looked good but their QB threw a couple picks in the red zone. The Bonner player is a stud.. Spoke to parents in the stands and they have Judge next week.
Washington looks like theyre back to their dominance this year.
Groat you are way off with Dallas. Not a district contender ? They’ve played in 2 district title games in the last 5 years. They lost to an uber talented AH team in 09 and quite possibly the best valley view team since their state title team 20 years ago. Btw Dallas was up 12 -6 going into the fourth quarter in that game. Trust me, I played against both of those teams and they were for real. Those Dallas teams were much better than district winners like GAR of recent years
It will come down to SJP/LS again in the PCL. Which ever inexperienced line plays better will win that game. I want to say prep wins but the coaching at La Salle is too good. Upset La Salle wins 35-31
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@ RickD
I think your assessment on WA and Redeemer are correct. However, I think your assessment of Dallas is a little bit off. While I don’t disagree that Dallas will struggle to make playoffs this year, I do not think your coaching comments make much sense. Dallas hasn’t been an elite team since the late 90s. They haven’t won a District Championship since 1999. They haven’t been District Championship material for the last 13 years, 12 of which were under the former coach. Sure they have had several seasons with good regular season records, but we are talking about championships here. They have routinely lost to Berwick, AH, and Valley View. It has been a trend stretching back over a decade, not just in the last year.
@ mark
Please don’t comment on D2 or WVC football because you make all of us look bad.
How can you say WA is weak in Class AA???? And put Redeemer as a contender?!?!?!?!? Wow. Redeemer is pitiful. WA will most likely play for the district title again even though they will be a below average football team. That is just how bad small school WVC and D2 football has become. 3-team race between Lehman, Lakeland and WA in class AA. Maybe throw Mid Valley in as a 4th team. GAR will be bad they are poorly coached and don’t have the athletes to hide it this year.
Class AAA Berwick and Abington will both be very good. Scranton Prep is not far behind and Nick Donato can flat out coach. Please do not mention Dallas anymore as a contender in the WVC or D2 AAA. With Ted Jackson gone they are in BIG trouble.
I can see WVW doing good things in class AAAA because they have a lot of talent returning and an excellent coaching staff. They have a very difficult schedule though so it makes it tough for them to qualify for the subregional.
Mike,
I’m not sure I understand your, is there football worth a damn comment. Every district has great teams, decent teams, and poor teams. D-12 is no different.
Granted, the Philly Pub by in large isnt a great collection of teams. But what inner city league is? Imhotep really has had only one exceptional season, but additional ones appear on the horizon. Over the last decade I’d say that only George Washington, Frankford, and Bok have been mostly good programs. Then, Northeast and Dobbins has been respectable.
In the PCL, these teams in their respective classes have been elite: LaSalle, Wood, West Catholic, and SJ Prep. Roman and O’Hara have been pretty good.
From 2A on up (d12 only has 2 1A teams). The 14-team (42 teams in district 12) PCL has played in 7 state title games since joining the PIAA. That is the same amount as D7 and D3, but those districts triple and double the amount of teams that you have in D12.
Now, I’ll agree that in the bigger districts (Total teams) you get more competive games on a weekly basis. More teams, more parity. But some of the elite programs in the state do reside in D12/PCL. That’s all I’m saying.
mgguy your right on. The Mid State Teams are more successful in the PIAA playoffs in the last ten years. More than the teams from the big P area. I’m not saying across the board from A to AAAA but the same teams are always there at the end of the season and do not have D1 caliper players. It is my opinion that the coaching and the feeder system develops talent to play at a high level and they must be doing something right. Look at Cumberland Valley, Central Dauphin, Wilson West Lawn, Governor Mifflin and Penn Manor. Winning year after year. Best High School Football in Eastern PA. No doubt…….
wow we wount let logic and reason get in the way of an arugment.D12 has some dominent programs just like evey other district in the state.If you want to look at it from a district view then it d7 they in the last 5 years,becuse nothining else
counts before that have 12 appearance in state final games. between all the class that 12 out of 20 doesnt leave much for the rest of the state.Keith i love your stat work becuse it the frist one on here that really makes since to me keep up the good work
@Mike, I posted some results of inter-divisional play in response to someone else. Sorry they struck a nerve with you but they speak for themselves.
@Keith Flores, the kids have been playing the games as you put it and I posted the results. Sorry the results don’t support your outlook.
@Huck I’m not really comparing. But the district I am speaking of only has one real good league and yes the PCL is better than that league. Outside of Imhotep and the PCL is their football worth a damn in D12??
If my memory serves me correct (Maybe, I’m incorrect on that), but it was a poster or two taking a shot at the PCL/D12 that started this debate. Turning it into PCL people getting defensive really isn’t accurate.
IMO SJ Prep was a top 5 team in 4A last year. So, that final ranking is mostly accurate. They lost a 1-point OT game to LS in PCL final. They would have gone on to best Frankford & Parkland, and I believe given Costesville I didn’t type of match-up problem. So, I would have given them a 50/50 chance in that game, too. It would have ended there because N. Allegheny was a super club. Anyway, that final ranking was accurate to the most recent poster.
New year and a lot of different scenarios can play out. It should be another exciting season for HS football in PA.
Just some more food for thought, go to PFN and look at the final rankings from last year using the PIAA formula , D12 isn’t all that great compared to the rest of the state as far as teams ranked highly- I love how a team can be 10-1 and ranked in the top 5 4A, play 4 or 5 more games and where does the record fall? D12 isn’t the dominant overall district when you look at the team rankings. Let the fur fly
@Cubscout
I wouldn’t equate all the PCL chatter on this thread to those being LaSalle followers. In fact a lot of the PCL “talk” as I read are league schools regurgitating the attributes of their school in comparison. Some get defensive, Why?, probably because we’ve only been able to playoff compete against those historically good/great teams that we’ve read about for decades the last 5 years.
Don’t be confused, one thing I can say for a “real” LS Alumnus, they are passionate but respectful. I believe opposition coaching staffs would relate the same regarding the LS coaching staff and players. This does get blurred when LS/SJP talk about each other. That will never change as long as the Pope remains Catholic!!
@Dawg93, yeah, seems like the only people playing football in Eastern PA are SJP, Lasalle, Imhotep and Wood. Maybe D3 and D11 should just cancel the season and let them fight it out.
I have a good stat for you OL coach the PCL in AAAA is 0-0 against D11 in 2013. In AAA they are 0-0 and in AA they are still 0-0 in 2013. I had to exhaust all my resources for those completely accurate records. I get the PCL is a great league but can we calm down with everyone getting all torn up the second someone says any league is better. It seems like you PCL guys think the SEC is beneath you and you would pull out stats stating how the PCL is undefeated against all-SEC players since 2008. It seems like such a drama also. You guys act like St. Joe’s could beat the eagles and la salle will lose to our lady of hungry’s school for the blind. Let the kids teams play not the entirety of the league. And if your league is as dominant is you guys clearly want it to be let the teams do the talking and talk about those teams not your league as a whole.
Why do we care about how one district or league compares to another? None of that matters when an individual team plays another individual team. If coatsville was in another district would they still be good. Of course. Does their competition raise their play particularly in the postseason? Absolutely. Can we please talk about individual teams? What do we think of parkland this year? What about St. Joes? Are they for real? This who’s districts is better none sense is ridiculous.
Mike,
Not to get in a pissing match, but the PCL is one league and you’re comparing it to an entire district?
Since the PCL entered the PIAA in ’08 they have represented the league very well at the state leve. They have played in 7 title games in 5 years, going (3-4). Over that time the entire D-11 is (2-0). I agree that football existed before ’08, but for the PCL folks that’s all we have to go on.
@OL Coach at the end of the day all that matters is who finishes the season top. And to be Honest outside of District 7, 12, 3, and 11 have all been comparable with state titles. I honestly can’t believe a HS football coach actually comes a website and talks as much trash about other schools as much as you do! I’d love to know your real name??????
@OL Coach is back!! With his ignorant rants against anything. Remotely he thinks is related to the PCL! Fact is football existed before 2008! And the post wasn’t directed at the the PCL it was historically!! The same thing D11 has been struggling with (losing to D12) D1 went through from for about 5-6 period (losing to D11). D11 has as many state titles as D12 in 3A and 4A since the the PCL joined in 2008. @OL Coach the sky is blue! His response would be some point about the PCL. The question doesn’t matter it is always negative directed toward the PCL.
Truth,
Understanding that 7-on-7’s aren’t the be all end all, but do you have deny insight on GW/IC 7/7? I’m assuming you still went. Thanks.
Boys-
I would suggest a campout for all the PCL/LaSalle fans in the Poconos. You could put all your chairs in a “circle” and have alot of fun with one another over a bonfire. You could roast marshmallows and talk football.
@Dawg93, really, if you’re going to run your mouth, know a few facts.
As for the Lehigh Valley being such a state power, such a hotbed of hs football, lets review the facts. Since 2008 when the PCL joined D12 and the PIAA, here is their record against D11:
AAAA: PCL 7-0
AAA: PCL 2-1
AA: PCL 4-0
Most of these games were state playoff games against the best D11 has to ofer; here are some of the representative scores:
43 – 20, 48 – 3, 28 – 7, 70 – 14, 36 – 6, 63 – 20, 55 – 14, 32 – 7.
The average score for all 14 games is 37 – 14.
Don’t mistake beating up on other D11 or D2 schools with being a state power.
Do we need to go on?
@Dawg 93
Historically, yes. At the 4A level, there hasn’t been to much to cheer about recently when the LV champion proceeds into States.
Hey mgguy. Guess this blog should be called South Eastern Pa. Football Blog… What a pity that everyone seems to be an expert before the season even starts. But when you look at the historical data with Pa. High School Football it seems that the hot bed of success comes from the Lehigh Valley and Mid state teams. Let the season start and see how the Teams progress from game one to mid season. Then we’ll know where the strength really lays.
I will be checking out the Imhotep at Washington 7on7 game tomorrow (Wednesday) at 5pm. Have JiveTurkey, stop by so we can shoot the sheez-nick.. See ya there buddy!
@joedobbs
Redeemer probably has the best Qb/Wr combo in the wvc, no doubt. But like you said their defense is awful. Noooo way they should be mentioned in the playoff hunt
LaSalle probably doesn’t have a “cupcake” on the schedule, but based on recent history, strength in numbers, excellent coaching, and recent ability to reload, then I have to think that them losing five games is a stretch.
IMO, they are still the team to beat until proven otherwise.
I think it’s possible that SJP could have a special season, but I agree with some others that it’s not a lock at this point. They return a bushel of skill kids, but only one OL and just three starters from an excellent defense. Those LBs last year and DL Paul Johnson were dynamite. Also, they lost a talented, future D-1 WR, rising sophomore WR to transfer.
With that said, I think Infante and his staff are getting the program back to where they also just reload. Gun to my head I think they’ll be pretty good, but I don’t want to diminish their losses as no big deal just yet.
D2-AA As long as Lakeland puts a team on the field they shouldn’t be discounted.
I believe the talk about Holy Redeemer is based on their QB. They’ll score points but they always give up more than they score.
@ phillyboy
The hate for La Salle is well recorded through your numerous posts, but I think you’re letting it get to your reasoning. “5 loses”??
@steve
So many people dismiss the impact of the loss of the class 2013 at the Prep! There were so many leaders on that team that qualifies them as a unique group. This class of 2014 can’t compare to last year. Martin, McCallister and Moffet are the only senior returning starters and that can’t match the graduating class!
I am telling everyone this year the Prep will struggle and I wish these blowhards would stop banginging the SJP drum. This team will consist of primarily juniors and sophs as starters!
Lasalle won’t lose 5 games Philly boy. You talk to me in November.
@ Jiveturkey
Hang in there brother, don’t let them get you down. This is what happens when your on top. We know, it’s been this way for all but one of the last 7 yrs. in our league. Wish you well, week 2 will be a firecracker!!
@JS and phillyboy
Perhaps phillyboy, wouldn’t bet the house on it though, nor your NP prediction. JS, agree with your assessment. I would add that while Prep returns some excellent quality skill people, they also must rebuild virtually the entire line and linebacking corps. Johnson was the anchor, difficult if not impossible to replace. All 3 LB’s are gone, Jones was a stud and the others were fierce tacklers. Runyan has received a scholarship to Dad’s school, he will need to contribute more than he showed last year. Bottom line, despite the “stars”, the Prep grunts of last year will be hard to replace, that was a special group….and they still got beat when it counted most!!
Think LaSalle will lose at least 4 games this year, very possibly 5. Between their schedule and the changing of the guard sometimes it happens like that, the fall is sudden and surprising. But they will have a winning season.
Outside of Dave Williams there were two former WC players on IC last year. But both of those kids played for IC the year before. The year before Coach Crosby got there and trust me, but they weren’t recruited away from WC by the previous coaching staff.
IC did receive a very good LB from O’Hara, but again trust me he wasnt taken from O’Hara.
Their third RB was a sophomore who went to Judge as a freshman, but didn’t play there. He played weight ball instead. He lives in IC’s neighborhood.
Most of IC’s players were already on the roster on 2011. I’d venture to say 90% minimum. What Coach Crosby brought with him was so,eorganization and discipline. The talent was mostly already in place.
For the record, WC is a 1A school playing up. They had 152 boys on the books with the last piaa count.
It’s possible that this could be IC’s last year in 2A. They were only 14 boys away from 3A in last piaa count. Their basketball team is already 3A. Not positive this will happen, but it could, especially with Philly pub schools closing.
Oh yea, IC will be playing football this fall regardless with what happens with the Philly SD. They are a charter school and aren’t a part of that budget.
Jiveturkey:
WC was a solid team las year, but young. They lost exactly one player, albeit their best player to Imhotep last year. Not half their team. Stop pulling things out your butt.
They were 7-4 last year. They lost a one-point game to GW (4A) in OT. They lost a competitive game to Wood (3a State finalist). They lost a two-point game to LaSalle (4A state semifinalist), and they beaten handily by Imhotep in D12 final. It was 12-8 at half, but due to youth and a hungry IC team the wheels fell off In the 2nd half.
WC would have smacked every 2A team in D11 last year. They would smack every D11 team this year, too. Make no mistake.
The PCL always seems easy to figure out in the summer, and then they play the games and the surprises begin.
Sure, St. Joes Prep looks great this year. Reid and Zaccheaus are so skilled.
And LaSalle is going to be back with Heron, and a new stud qb Shurmur. LaSalle does need to reload at line (oline and dline). But their coaching is so strong, and they do have some serious linemen on this Fall’s roster. Some expereienced rising seniors (Gepert, Frusco, others), and talented rising juniors (Wagner, Grady). If they can get their kicking game in order after losing that senior from last year (Pitt?), they could make some noise this fall.
And everybody forgets about Roman, but they have some players this year. That’s been a building story. Scrappy team.
Should be another fun season.
Phillyboy, you need to soften up on the SJP is the bomb and LaSalle is going to struggle line. If anything LaSalle goes into the season in better shape then SJP.
The Prep had 3 returning Senior starters and on returning offensive linemen! The lost all of their starting LBs and have one returning defensive line men who will be a sophomore this year!
Everyone has the Prep as this power house this year but they are very young and inexperienced!
Make sure to watch Berwicks big man/7on7 tomorrow at 10 berwick field
@ Bert your right Abington has a very nice team coming back this year, but Berwick looks like the stronger team on paper this year.last year was a down year in the W.V.C this year i think that the L.F.C will be down a little.I am not a jump on the Curry band wagon guy but i can see on paper why Berwick is picked in AAA in D2
and i am with Ron Holy Remender as they say on the sport show COME ON MAN !
@paul and OL Coach
I hope your right, we’ll see.
Coach Dom D’Addona might be the most important figure on the LS staff ‘THIS’ year. If he can formulate a functioning line with those grad loses and current relative inexperience, that would be impressive!! Looking back, same thing was said following graduation of the ’10 class. Line play is about turning boys into fanatics yet keeping one’s poise.
@ Steve and O L Coach
La Salle lost alot on the OLine. From what I heard they will try the hurry up, no huddle route to take the pressure off. I’m sure Brett Gordon will figure something out The new QB seems to have the right makeup (6’3″ 220 lbs) and an arm to boot. (He’s a two sport guy with swimming being the second sport. Fits right in with the two time defending state champ swimming program) I can see where people will put La Salle as the underdog. But don’t be surprised if they make it 6 in a row and end up in the thick of it.
@all
Nobody is saying NP will be a state power this year. Anybody that follows D1 knows this.
I’m afraid they won’t make the playoffs….again.
From all the talk on this site, SJP can’t be touched. However, the LS/SJP game is always a toss-up. It’s the Alabama/Auburn of high school football.
@teve, you may be half right.
Not sure who said NP will be a state power this season but they’re most likely off base.
LS has won 5 consecutive PCL championships; most years the talk is SJP will overtake them. Simply put, they never do.
Look for LS as the underdog to make it 6 straight!
@philly boy
LaSalle’s run may end this year, you can obviously read the last 20-25 responses. However, the skill and the beef reside in this JR. class. If their down this year, won’t be for long!!
Re: North Penn…..I’m not hearing that at all, in fact just the opposite from my Lansdale boys. They’re not optimistic at all.
You heard it here first: LaSalle’s run is over. Expect them to drop off a bit this year. Conversely, expect North Penn to come back strong.
Why do people always have to pick Berwick to be a lock for the District 2 AAA title? Same thing last year, people had them a lock for the 2nd round of states. Could it be the Curry factor?
Abington Heights has a talented team coming back, along with excellent, but less publicized coaching. Berwick couldn’t beat them last year, what makes people think this year will be any different?
Mark there is no way holy redeemer will compete. That must be a joke. WA won’t be that bad they have some talented ubderclassmen and gar will struggle. Dallas will also be decent,they have lots of talent
Dawg93, glad to see someone talk something OTHER than D12! I concur with D3 AAAA, Cumberland Valley with new coach could drop off, we shall see though. Still have to put Wilson on top until someone proves otherwise- Penn Manor, Mifflin should be tough, but will have to go through West Lawn at the end of the season. Wilson loses a lot- but that happens every year then the senior oriented program reloads and moves ahead. Their QB is getting some D1 looks and that always bodes well in WL. Mifflin has some studs back and Vecchio has proven he has a program that also reloads- first game of the season is Wilson. Can Harrisburg bounce back from last year- historically they haven’t put back to back years together too often, hope they can though, it would be great for D3. Penn Manor’s coach is building a nice program, but they need to get over the Wilson hump.
How about AAA or AA? Manheim Central, Lancaster Catholic, Wyomissing, Delone, lot’s of things to consider here.
Class AA Wpial: Aliquippa,Beaver Falls,South Fayette,Seton Lasalle,Mount Pleasant. D10..Grove City,Hickory.. D6..Richland,Martinsburg Central.
D2 AAA Will be a one horse race. Berwick is the class of the WVC. Crestwood, Pittston, Coughlin will all be better. Dallas will struggle until they get a true system in place.
D2AA Lehman, Holy Redemer, GAR, will compete. Wyoming Area will struggle.
D2 AAAA WVW will be the team to beat followed by Scranton in LFC.
Any news on the wide receiver from Dallas. Does he live in Dallas School District? Can anyone shed light. I heard he is being looked at by several D1 schools.
Carl thank you,Parkland opens up with Del Valley i believe so we get a feeling for both early
I don’t understand why so many people try so hard to put down imhotep if you look at the facts only three transfers started last year that did not play in the 2011~2012 season so let imhotep continue to represent their city and prove people wrong and I think thats going to happen week 2 when they beat LaSalle
@pub school
Sorry my brother made that last comment.
@Pub School
Chester always play the none good pub teams like fels but they never play Washington Frankford or NorthEast nor any other successful team in the pub.
PCl fan/ O L Coach/philly boy-
Can u guys do a solid for the D1/Public School fans in Chester County and Montco? Please take Bishop Shanahan (Downingtown) and PJP2 into the PCL.. We are tired of hearing the parents whine and complain about having to play the Public School teams… They would fit in better within the PCL. Easy wins for you guys, but it makes alot more sense overall.
@Jive
Agree.. If SJP doesn’t win the PCL THIS year, Infante will need to do a lot of soul searching!! If LS takes the PCL 4A this year with this rebuild, his status at 17th & Girard is guarded. Bergen County may seem promising again..
I believe 2014, LaSalle legit contenders/favorites for State 4A title.
Where is all of the action with D-3. Best in class the last few years has been Wilson West Lawn. Looks like a change of the guard may be coming. Like Harrisburg, Gov. Mifflin, Penn Manor and of course Wilson. What’s every ones opinion ?????
Looking at Coatesville to make noise in D1.
Sitting here thinking about this debate and I’m realizing it’s just not worth it. This is like talking to a kids parents about something the kid did that was bad. You can have video, audio, eyewitness accounts, even the kid could say, “yeah, I did it”. However, mommy and daddy sit there and say, ” not my kid, he/she didn’t do anything”. That’s where we are with this. I can’t give you anymore evidence about this matter without wasting countless hours turning every rock over. Then the answer will still be nuh uh. Then when all comes out it will be, so what other teams do it. Yes they do, just don’t get mommy and daddy denying it.
@????
AYF is not a winter league. It is the biggest pound ball youth league in the world, yes bigger than Pop Warner, and it is played in the fall. I do know of the winter league you are referring to. I was involved in that league a few years ago. The last year I was involved Holmesburg beat the Hornets during the season, and in the championship. Pretty good for some NE kids beating, as you say, the best Pop Warner players in the city. The problem with the winter league is that if you are in 9th grade or up, as per PIAA rules, you will lose a year of eligibility if you play. Just to clarify my point because I kinda went backhanded with it. Just because you win in pound ball, it really doesn’t equate to high school. Rhawnhurst wins NESAC at every level, Judge is not very good, nor is Lincoln. The big kids can’t play pound ball because of their size. I think the good teams in high school generally, not always, have great size across the line.
@ jive
AYF is a winter league thing unlimited weight and popwarner puts kids and age groups but homlesburg does not have a power house highschool that would attract attention from kids of there neighbor hood. Also if you wanna look it up the NW Hornets winter league team is made of the best popwarner players in the city and has dominated winter league for 3 or 2 years straight if I’m correct.
@????
EXACTLY!! That’s what JiveTurkey fails to understand. Imhotep is surrounding by power-house youth organizations. NW Raiders down the street, West Oak Lane Wildcats a mile or so up the street, Mount Airy Bantams couple of miles away, Enon Eagles in walking distance, Ivy Hill, Olney Eagles etc.. All these football programs are powerhouses with the BEST youth coaches in the country BAR-NONE!!
Lastly and I will close my case with this; here is the Imhotep 2010 Roster–> http://tedsilary.com/imhotepFB10.htm ..
As you will clearly see, there are kids on here that are not on the 2011 roster but are on the 2012 roster.. Ask yourself why and your answer should let you know the program has good standards that holds every kid accountable..
All other objections will be overruled.
BTW, I’m a D12 fan!!
@Steve
I’m not gonna discount LaSalle by any stretch. They always seem to be right there, even when you least expect it. They have Shumar coming in to play QB, and Herron is a beast. But like you said, line is young and that’s a tough situation. I just think, as of now, if you’re gonna beat LaSalle, this year might be your best chance. That’s not saying everybody is gonna come close to beating them. I see Prep going undefeated in PA and Imhotep, North Penn, and Roman giving LaSalle all they can handle. Even if they lose them 4 games, which is highly unlikely, they finish 3rd and get Roman for a second time in the semi’s. Nobody, except for Prep this year, beats LaSalle twice in the same season. So losing the title game to the Prep could actually be considered a down year.
Last years 2nd best AYF team in the country,14-15 180’s, was Somerton. Scrimmaged Pop Warner teams and walked right though them. Is that why Ryan is so good? The year before that, Holmesburg was #1 in the nation. My guess is that is why Lincoln is cruising through the Pub like a hot knife through butter.
@Joe Dobb, cant argue much with what your
saying ,but i think Dunmore is a little better in the skill postions. Qb play may decide thouse games, and yes their will be 2
@mark d
D-11 AAAA- Most likely the top dog will be either Parkland or Easton. They might not have the most skill coming back but both always play hard nose football. Liberty has very nice skill for next year but their line play has been suspect.
AAA- Not at all sure…ACC lost their best player and I have no clue what they have coming up.
AA-Catasauqua is probably the team to beat. Played an undefeated regular season but lost to Pen Argyl in the district final. Tons of skill for them back…
On another note imhotep is right down the street form 2011 and 2012 runner up champions of popwarner Super Bowl so kids that play for the northwest raiders come straight to imhotep cause they are from the neighborhood and they want to continue to be apart of something great. Imagine a group of kids with great athletic traits already that have been together for 4 or 5 years already before even coming to play highschool football. Jus saying its talent all around imhotep neighborhood. To have a successful highschool football team to. That’s just crazy.
@Jive
Regarding week 2, this would have to be the year. LaSalle has some good skill people returning including new QB, stud LB but must rebuild entire line save one on each side. Most of their “bigger” lineman are rising jrs. that are not fully experienced. The Gordons/Stienmetz/Dadonna et al. do a great job developing kids whom are dedicated to the ‘team’ concept. On paper, Prep and Imhotep possess much greater talent this year, we’ll see how it plays out.
I see this year as a rebuilding one for LS, but the prospects for 2014 are really strong! Then again, maybe these kids will exceed expectations once again. Perhaps we can meet up on week 2?
@?????, Coach Crosby does a terrific job at getting the kids noticed. Might be the best at it in all of D12. That’s not really the basis of the conversation. The point was made that their team was built, basically, from the ground up with kids starting there in 9th grade. That is simply not true. The kids that swing JV and Varsity are on the Varsity roster. I understand kids play JV and Varsity, gets younger players much needed experience. As with Wood, who also brings in kids after 2 or 3 years at another school, I’m not a fan of that. I’m aware of financial situations, religion, maybe getting in a bit of trouble for a couple kids. Not 10-15. PIAA doesn’t care, so it’s obviously not a big deal to the powers to be. That being said, don’t deny it. Anybody can compare rosters from year to year and see what’s up. Like I said, just don’t deny it. I know you and truth are Imhotep fans and I will be pulling for them in states too. Enjoy the season and the accolades that will certainly come with it.
http://youtu.be/QAwWaeMToEs
This is the link of last years college tour if interested.
@jive
Imhotep puts great freshman and sophomore on jv to test out there character but most studs gets playing time after the 1st team is done which is probably in the middle of 3rd quarter the whole second team is mostly jv players. Also imhotep rotates at every position if they think the kid behind a starter is up to the challenge and can play at the varsity level. This is why many of the reasons why people don’t notice the jv players on varsity cause they play at a high level when they do get there chance to shine. But on the d1 imhotep is not a selfish school it has a college tour before full pads come. They drive kids to college camps like Umass West Virgina etc…..I think you can look up last years college tour on YouTube. Just giving a brief discussion why imhotep is a great football team.
Truth, 11 Freshmen on the 2011 roster and they put a bunch of “studs” on JV? This is because of attributes, such as? Character/team leader/ dedication? I guess that makes sense, that freshman would bring that mold more than your D1 prospects on JV. You did give a list of kids there since freshman, and I gave you a list that showed up for their junior or senior year. You can call it whatever you want, fact is, it is recruiting players that other schools put time and effort into.
@Steve, you are dead on. I don’t know how long it will last, but right now they are the team in the Pub. There will be a bunch of variables if the state takes over the district. This is one of the few schools still on the state test tampering list, and if the state takes over the district, it could be very difficult for the school. That’s another story for another day. I am looking forward to week 2 when they play LaSalle. My guess right now is an L for LaSalle.
who is the class of d-11 and d-4 this year ?
In D2-A don’t get caught sleeping on Old Forge. I’m a Dunmore dad and saw the kids that Old Forge has coming back. The Dunmore\Old Forge games (hopefully there will be 2) should be old fashioned smash mouth games. The winner will be decided between Old Forge’s line and the effectiveness of DaQuan Buckley.
@Jive
Assuming the Commonwealth doesn’t change the “structure” of the charter system in Philly, I believe Imhotep will be a football power, regardless of division, for the foreseeable future. Too much talent not to succeed!! Only coaching malpheasence would stop this train….and from what I read, coaching is solid.
They will be dominant/competitive against AA-AAAA, IMO…..this coming from a PCL man.
@Jive
Come on man.. I just gave you a list of kids that were there since freshmen. You are digging for gold and you’re finding nothing. I don’t work there.. But I can tell you this, quality programs do not put kids on their varsity team just because of talent.. There should be other needed attributes for a kid to play varsity besides being a stud. That is the model of MOST highly successful programs in the country. With that being stated, let’s get back on topic because I see a three way D12 Championship sweep within the 2A, 3A and 4A. My previous rankings provides the strengths of teams now, but the real games are played in November and I see Imhotep, Wood and St Joes as the PIAA Champs.
Truth, I guess facts are facts. Imhotep must have had the best JV football team in the country in 2011. All soph’s & jr’s that couldn’t make a team, that couldn’t win the AA pub, and had 40 underclassmen. Can’t debate that great JV system. That’s amazing how a kid can’t make varsity as a soph or jr, and then becomes a D1 prospect. Somebody should take them jv coaches out to dinner. Just curious, with a school that has a waiting list in the hundreds, how did the “transfers” all get in so easily?
@Buckeye
“fumbled going into tie”, “5-5 that year”, coach had a hang-nail, Please!!!
FYI: http://www.examiner.com/article/ohio-s-top-10-high-school-football-programs
They are the cream of your former state!!
PCL heard this kind of talk prior to PIAA entry. “they wouldn’t be able to hang with the ‘big boys’ of Easton, Bethlehem, Parkland et al.” “would get run over”!…..well, we’re still waiting??
From Langhorne, take route 1 South, continue onto Roosevelt Boulevard(R.B.), stop at 4641 R.B., check in. You can thank me later, it’s my gift to you.
Prep,North Pocono,West Scranton & Valley View will be young teams this year.The sleeper might be North Pocono were young last year and have a lot of kids coming back.
@Rob Honsedale plays that down schedule would have a hard time getting points for the playoffs.
Some D2 thoughts:
a: Dunmore will be good. their d is going to be lights out. Same with Old Forge, they are just as big up front and have 2 stud linebackers.
aa: weak. It’s been weak the last couple years but it will be weaker this year. Lehman is supposed to be the top team out of this district and any other year they would be a 7-3 team.
aaa: Berwick and AH will be the class of the district here. both are solid. Dallas has talent and should sneak in and watch out for Honesdale.
aaaa: I really don’t know about 4A, I’ll say Valley West should be the best team here but in all reality they don’t look that great on paper.
@Jive Turkey
I forgot to mention #15 and #24. GREAT KIDS who came a long way.. #15 has multiple offers and #24 will be playing college ball in the fall… THATS A GOOD THING!! But without revealing any kid’s business, in no way whatsoever were these two awesome young-men ‘RECRUITED!!’ FACT!!!
@JiveTurkey
I don’t make it down North Philly to watch the workouts, I make it to the games and watch the results. I know D12 football.. Plain and simple; and since you like losing debates, here are the facts:
#2 and #27 BOTH played on the 2011 Imhotep football team check here—> http://tedsilary.com/imhotepFB11.htm.. FACT!!
#33 is the ONLY player to start and play for the 2011 West catholic team and the 2012 Imhotep team.. FACT!!
#20 was never in our debate but as weak debaters do when losing; you drew this kid’s card.. #20 never played a down at Judge… FACT!!!
#3 is the kid I referred to who transferred from a school that did not have football and now has multiple D1 offers. THIS IS A GOOD THING. FACT!!
#7 never played high school football a day in his life until he strapped on a Imhotep helmet. Now he’s playing college ball… FACT!!
#9 is a TE converted from a OG and was #68 in 2011 and has been with Imhotep since a freshmen.. FACT!!
#12 has also been with Imhotep as a Freshmen and was on JV in 2011.. FACT!!
#28 is a dynamite kid who has came along way.. He has never played high school football anywhere before Imhotep… FACT!!
#52 has been with Imhotep Football since a freshmen and was a contributor to JV and now he’s a all star in his senior year.. FACT!!
#58 has been with Imhotep Football since a freshmen and was a JV player previous years. I notice they have him in the backfield now at 6′ 220..WOW! So his number may change again.. FACT!!
#68 has been with Imhotep Football since a freshmen and was a JV player in previous years.. FACT!!
#56 has been with Imhotep Football since a freshmen and was a JV player in previous years.. FACT!!
As you can see from your observations that you ASSUMED you were right because you didn’t know the FACTS!! That’s arrogance and ignorance at the same time…bad mix Jive, very bad mix.. You should come to their JV games and meet the kids one day then you will see there is a JV unpublished roster and a varsity published roster..
Maybe due to the high consumption of fast food restaurants, there are a lot of big bodies in urban Philadelphia.
These are the absolute FACTS Jive.. Give me more numbers concerning any team in D12 and I can give you the FACTS!!
Checkmate..!! your move.
@Steve,
While St Ignatius is a very good program under Chuck Kyle…you failed to read my message.
1. STJP beat Iggy by 14 points in a very close game…Iggy fumbled going in to tie game. Iggy finished 5-5 that season…
2. My post was in regards to Cincinnati HS football…St Ignatius is in Cleveland, OH…ACROSS THE STATE…
Anyways, if you took the entire PCL and had their best team play the Greater Catholic League South division (only 4 teams)…the PCL would be lucky to win 1-2 every 10 years. Just saying. That league really is weak.
Mike/Steve-
St. Ignatius is in Cleveland, Ohio. Buckeye was referring to the Cincinnati area. Just for clarification..
Who is the top 2A team coming from D3..??
Pretty sure berwick beats a st. Iggy team that was ranked in the top 5 in the country in the last 30 yeara
So who have any of these PCL leaders supposedly “recruited” this year?
@Buckeye
Really?!?! 30 yrs.??
Last time a PCL power lined up against a Ohio power, circa 2005: SJP 28 St. Ignatius 14
Perhaps you need to get out to more games brother!!
@ Buckeye
Yeah, the Cincinnati Catholic teams are really good. It’s arguably the strongest league in the country. Still, the top PCL team would not be at the bottom. Might be at the top in a given year. This year COULD be one of those years. Saint Joe’s Prep has potential for a monster year. Could you imagine a state final with SJP and the D7 champ, would be the best matchup since CB West and Erie Cathedral Prep.
@ Cinderella
Yea, I meant to put Easton on that list also.
Easton & Pennsbury play the first game of season again. We’ll see what happens.
What is so funny is we’re discussing PCL football. I was born and raised in Cincinnati but now live in Langhorne. I’ve went out to watch some HS football and it’s like being an NFL fan and watching Canadian league/Arena League. If you took the best teams in the PCL they would constantly finish near the bottom. I couldn’t believe people were praising LaSalle College HS the past few years. Nobody in the last 30 years would come out to Cincinnati and run with the big boys. 28-35 point losses would be your norm. Ugly
@Buddy,
You have Pennsbury listed in your top 5 in the East? Easton will beat them in the opener again this year. Pennsbury has a nice program and all but they looked soft the last couple years.
@ mark d
Regarding District 2……I agree with some things you said and disagree with some things you said.
Class A – Dunmore will be very good and have a great chance to advance very far once again in the state playoffs.
Class AA – I would say the top 3 teams are Lakeland, Lake-Lehman and Wyoming Area. But I definitely agree that this class is very weak. Very poor football being played in small school D2.
Class AAA – Abington and Berwick are the top two contenders. Crestwood/Scranton Prep/West Scranton/Valley View should all be decent. Dallas has great talent once again but you really cannot expect much out of them with that Zaruta guy coaching there.
Class AAAA – I would give Valley West the nod over Scranton and DV. They have a lot of talented players returning plus some great intangibles with the coaching staff they have in place now. Last year they won the EC Title by beating two D11 teams, destroyed Berwick and did not have much of a problem going through the WVC unbeaten last year. Scranton and DV lost A TON of talent but with such large rosters they will obviously be competitive again. Hazleton should also be better this year.
@ john
yea, that’s what I been reading too. SJP from the East, NA from west. Some think it’s gonna be Gateway .
The west is just loaded with big play teams. Other then Prep, top 5 teams in state would be from the west.
Top 5 AAAA teams from east are Prep, Coatesville, Neshaminy, LaSalle , and tie between Parkland & Pennsbury. Not necessarily in that order.
Keep an eye on CR South, Pennridge & CB South too.
@Truth, funny side of things. I’m betting, with your passion for football and tep, you have been to some of the clinics at gratz, 11th & cbm, or Chalmers as of late. I’d guess we probably shot the breeze a few times down there.
Truth, I’m not gonna debate this one, it’s not an opinion. I’m not gonna throw kids names out there because, well because they’re kids. #’s 2, 27, and 33 all played at least 2 years at West. Not sure where #20 played freshman year, but he is on youtube practicing with judge. #3, D1 prospect transferred in. #15 is in the same boat as #3. #24 transferred in from o’hara, also going D1. #’s 7,9,12,28,52,58,68 were all jr’s or sr’s. Can’t find any info on any of them, aside from the fact that they were not on the 2011 roster, and some are D1 prospects. #56, sophomore 6’2″ 250lbs, also came out of nowhere. At that size he didn’t play pound ball, and with 11 other frosh on the 2011 roster, I can’t see how he wasn’t. Truth is, I’m actually happy to have a team in the pub that is gonna compete for a state title. Just don’t like how they built it. My problem with charters is another story, hate seeing my tax dollars flushed down the toilet. Don’t think it’s too relevant, but I know a lot of the kids at Imhotep from camps & clinics. I’m not hating, they’re good kids, just call it what it is. They recruit from other high schools, I don’t agree with it, however, it is what it is.
Does anyone think PREP is a shoe in for a state title game against North Alleghany. Reading a couple comments that’s what it seems like
4A
Prep
North Allegany
Lasalle
Gateway
Parkland
3A
Berwick
Wood
McDevitt
Thomas Johnson
Erie Prep
I think we are going to get a great coaching match up in the 3A Eastern Final George Curry vs Mike Carey. Very interested to see who comes out of PHILADELPHIA CATHOLIC LEAGUE in 4A. Prep has a really tough schedule could lose a few games but will be battle tested.
P.S. @O Coach @JiveTurkey9 you still can’t admit you made a mistake reading my posts? Your turning the conversation every which way down below. How about just say you made a mistake and stop throwing the tantrums because people brought it your attention that you were wrong. Lets move on and talk football.
up here in d2
AAAA Scranton or Del Valley should make a playoff spot, but not strong enough to do anything at the satae level.
AAA Abington should be the class of the Lackawana Conference,But hearing that Berwick may be strong enough to make some noise at the state level.
AA very week, no body really standing out wouldnt be suprised if the d2 champ is 7-3
A Dunmore ready to make another state run
Lackawanna Conference very young teams this year
wyoming valley not hearing anything except for Berwick
@JiveTurkey9
Hey Bro, I just provide facts; not innuendos, perceptions, speculations, assumptions, guesses – merely strict solid foundational FACTS!! I was at their summer practice last week and saw over a hundred kids out there. Half in black shirts, half in red shirts and their five QBs in florescent green shirts. That PROGRAM is top notch and with all those ‘ONE PLATOON’ players you will MOST likely see NEW kids on their VARSITY roster this year that you will assume/perceive/speculate to be transfers where they actually played lil league football in the 9th grade or JV football last year.
Ted Silary provides accurate documented rosters where you can convert your assumptions to facts. As I informed you of the facts before, IMHOTEP only had ONE STARTER on offense in 2012 who was not apart of the 2011 team and TWO STARTERS on defense who was not apart of the 2011 team with one transferring from a school who didn’t have football.
With all the other perceptual opinionated talk about lining pockets, welcome to the City of Phila.. Their school system (both public and charter)is 33 million dollars in the red. 33 million doesn’t just walk away by itself. BTW, Catholic schools are in the red also and can close at anytime.
So Jive, I love to debate with you because you do bring intellectual respected opinions and every man loves a great debate but these are the facts brother no nonsense.
8/31/13 cannot come quick enough.. How about we let the kids play, share a beer or two and tell lies about our high school careers; but at the same time, let them settle our debates on the field..
Here are the my TOP FIVE Dave:
4A
-St Joes
-North Allegheny
-LaSalle
-Parkland
-Coatesville
3A
-Wood
-Cathedral Prep
-McDevitt
-Allentown Central
-Lancaster Catholic
2A
-Aliquippa
-Wyomissing
-Imhotep
-Richland
-Washington
1A
-Clairton
-Bellwood
-Dunmore
-Delone Catholic
-Port Allegany
Truth, didn’t we go through this last year? We ran the whole gauntlet from football, education, graduation rates, and state test scores. Imhotep, as with most Philly charters, is more about lining somebody’s pockets than teaching children. That being said, I do respect their football team. As with Wood, I don’t agree with recruiting kids after they have played for another high school. You’re a Philly guy, and you know every roster from 2000 on up is on Silary. I’m pretty sure THE TRUTH about last years transfers was pretty apparent. I’m pretty sure, when I pointed out all of the new names in the starting line-up last year, you told me they were on JV in 2011. Now 17 of 22 were returners. Whatever, it is what it is. Whole lot of nonsense on here lately, can’t wait till August 31.
@Columbiajack, at 1470 I think you should know the difference between we’re and were also. If you really want to talk grammar, I would like to introduce you to my friend comma. He looks like this , and is used to break up sentences. I’m guessing you didn’t use Harvard or Yale because you would have had to leave the site and google them to see how they are spelled. Like I said, I am no Einstein by a long stretch, and I’m sure most of my posts are filled with grammatical errors. However, I didn’t call you out about education. You called out OLCoach and I. Pretty sure you boasted about 1470 math & verbal, along with your Ivy League education. If that is in fact true, you wasted your time at school.
We have always referred to PCL as the Philly cath league… Thx PCL Fan!
@Buddy, you have just proven my point about original thought. You read what I wrote and basically said the same exact thing back to me, that I said to you. Let’s exchange emails and I’ll send you some stuff to post. Nobody will see it until you post it and then you can claim it as your own. Maybe I’ll change my name to jivebuddy and just give you half of the credit for my thoughts.
Can’t we all get along. Lol
Lets talk some football. Give me your top 5 in each classification. Thanks!
YOU’RE right jive lets attack grammar on a website!! Lets be realistic of somebody who would make something up on a website… Does Columbia really come to mind? I’d use Harvard or Yale if I were lying. However you lack of being able to admit you we’re wrong about anything and throw snipes at people. Lets pull up all of your posts and critique them grammatically!!!
Love the intriguing comments concerning PIAA Football. Lets me know the season is upon us all. But once again Jive, you are throwing out opinions and not facts concerning Imhotep. Here are the facts:
-Only one starting player from the 2011 West Catholic team transferred and contributed to the 2012 Imhotep team. ONE!!!
-8 out of the 11 defensive starters of the 2012 Imhotep team were on the 2011 team and 6 of them will be on the 2013 team.
-9 out of the 11 starting offensive players from the 2012 team were on the 2011 team with one being a starting Freshmen (TE with a D1 offer already) and the other being the WC transfer. 7 of those 2012 players are returning in 2013 with 4 being on the offensive line.
-Imhotep has successfully accomplished 12 players receiving multiple scholarships offers so far. This is due to the kid’s hardwork and their coaching staff who doesn’t mind renting vans and driving players as far as UMASS to South Carolina to Tennessee to West Virginia etc for camps and workouts.
-Wyo was an excellent team with a excellent coaching staff that went undefeated to the PIAA Championship and to say Imhotep was not good because they lost to a great team is subconsciously saying every team Wyo played was not good.
LETS SETTLE THE PUB vs PRIVATE SCHOOL ADVANTAGE ARGUMENT:
-2012 1A Champion Clairton (pub school)
-2012 2A Champion Wyo (pub school)
-2012 3A Champion Cathedral Prep (private school)
-2012 4A Champion North Allegheny (pub school)
Line up and let the kids play… Good coaching makes a program successful even if they win or lose..
Got a lot of growing up to do Jive.
The Philadelphia Catholic League is referred to, by virtually everyone on this site, as the PCL.
I believe that I read on this site that there is an age limit for posting. Must be at least 13. Therefore, you should rightfully dis-qualify yourself.
Wait a second here. I am by no means a rocket scientist, nor claim to be. However when you come at people about schooling, and claim to be a Columbia grad, you should really be well educated. Jive Turkey and OLCoach, they not comprehend paragraphs? Awesome, go down and read it. They not comprehend paragraphs. Wouldn’t a Columbia grad, with a 1470 SAT, no the difference between your and you’re? Jack, is somebody on here a fibber?
@glass slipper/ buddy’s wife. Good hustle, keep up the great work! You can read and re-type what you read. Couple things (CL) would be an abbreviation, not (colonial league) You see an abbreviation is a moniker which is shorter than writing out the actual words. Again, good hustle. I guess when 5 teams from 1 league are mentioned, I assume you would be speaking of that league. Considering that league is referred to as (CL) in my area. (CL) is an abbreviation for Catholic League too. Just for the record (LV) would be the abbreviation for Lehigh Valley. Thank you for making it a much easier read.
BTW I went to a public school. It’s not the school it’s what you get out of the school. If someone’s parents are scared about a public education or location of the school, what does that say about the parents? I have the answer ill pay19,000 a year to not be a parent
@jive turkey must have went to one of those schools along w @OL Coach because they not comprehend paragraphs. @OL Coach next time you want to compare SAT scores come at me 1470 Math and Verb played 4 years and graduated from Columbia. But don’t worry your on a website claiming how smart a school is you couldn’t get into. I actually played college football and was a grad asst. before leaving the football world, what have you done? Coach your sons 135lb team
Here is the second “statement” with abbreviations in parentheses () for easier reading @ JiveTurkey..
“@JiveTurkey I am not hating on D12 I am speaking the truth tell me who is successful in D12 besides Prep, Lasalle, and Wood (and to a lesser extent O’Hara)? I’m not a hater I’m a realist. Do I think that D1, D11, D3, and D7 are better districts from top to bottom? Yes absolutely anybody who has ever played football can see that. However D12 with maybe the only exception being D7 is the best at the top. However I would still say that the CL (COLONIAL LEAGUE) is JV league football and everybody who is not invested in the CL (COLONIAL LEAGUE) from the Lv (LEHIGH VALLEY) will tell you that. West Catholic would have absolutely destroyed the CL (COLONIAL LEAGUE) last year and a big part of why is because who WV (he meant.. WC, WEST CATHOLIC) plays and who the the CL (COLONIAL LEAGUE) teams play. I’m not hating I’m just being honest. D12 good teams will always be state title contenders regardless that the district stinks. I love watching wood it reminds me of CBW and ACC in the 1990′s. But don’t think for a second that you could import all of D12 into any district and still think that they could own the other districts.
@Jive Turkey.. It will help bro..
@ Jive Turkey… Here are Mike’s comments:
I will add in parentheses () what he is referring to and then you can re-read the statement..
“To dominate the colonial league (CL) and really be in the state title picture catty would have mercy rule every team in the colonial league (CL). The CL (Colonial League) is awful football, catty beat PA (Pen Argyl) yes abd look what Imhotep did to PA (Pen Argyl) and look what wyomissing did to Imhotep, that’s how far away a CL (Colonial League) team is from competing on the state stage. The CL (Colonial League) teams are more than happy staying in there bubble and beating up on Salisbury, Palmerton and so forth… Why wouldn’t catty or PA (Pen Argyl) try to play (I know they can’t cause of the league) play a good 3A team or at least scrimmage them? West Catholic has played Wood and Lasalle over the years that’s a 3A and 4A state title contender. West didn’t become simply by “recruiting” they played up. The CL (Colonial League) teams will never challenge themselves to do that. I’ve been a D11 fan all my life, and the state of D11 football makes me want to throw up. It has gotten progressively worse since the 90′s with the exception of 08 Liberty and 10 ACC
That is his first “statement”.. really don’t think it is that controversial homie.
@Buddy, yet again, read the whole thread. I’m not going back and forth with you this year. Like last year, you have no original thoughts to bring to any conversation. You read other peoples conversations and jump in with nuh uh, yeah right, or the famous buddy duhh, when you perceive it to be a negative on D1. Let the adults talk and sit back and enjoy the threads, kid.
The fact that actual coach (if his OL Coach name alludes to him being a real coach) would come on a message board is crazy to me. I would be curious to know if his head coach knows he is on a message board pounding his chest. I post my real name, OL Coach what’s yours??
O L Coach,
I have yet to make any sense of a single post you’ve written. I don’t really care so much about athletics to the point of getting into an argument. Isn’t the point of a Catholic/Prep school to give you a very good learning environment. What percentage of D-12 students go to college as opposed to D-11 students (catholic/private/public school wise)? Schools like LaSalle/SJP/Judge/etc are fine academic institutions. It still doesn’t they don’t have an athletic advantage as to what players they can get….
If you were so well versed in D-11 sports. A ton of William Allen basketball players back in the 70’s and 80’s had kids that played for Parkland basketball that both father and son won district titles. When good athletes/etc out of Philly Pub schools left the city and made something of themselves they had children and were able to afford Catholic schooling. So it’s understandable why they win and you can’t blame the parents. But it’s like if 60 kids are outside playing sports the Catholic league gets the first 25 picks and leaves the rest for everyone else.
Here is what happened a few PCL people read a post didn’t understand it thought was something bad about the PCL (actually was saying how good the PCL is) but didn’t understand jump all over them about it. Realize they are wrong but don’t admit than start trying to compare public school SAT scores w schools that cost $19,000 a year for HS!!! And people are curious why the PCL is so hated hmmmmm
OL Coach-
So to be clear….
In D7 AAAA(Pittburgh area): you have 1 Catholic School/25 Public Schools. Pittsburgh Central Catholic. Erie Cathedral Prep is AAA.. Didn’t run those numbers in AAA in PBurg. I will if u want me to…
D11: in AAAA, 0/16 Schools are Catholic/Charter or Private. D11 AAA: 2/9 are Catholic (Bethlehem Catholic and Allentown CC)… combined 2/25 in the Lehigh Valley area….
D1: 0/44 are Catholic/Private/Charter in AAAA
2/21 are Catholic/Private/Charter in AAA (PJP2, Bishop Shanahan).. combined 2/65. I doubt many kids are “selecting” those schools as their choice for Football.
D12: 4/16 in AAAA are Catholic/Private/Charter.
5/13 in AAA are Catholic/Private/Charter..
Combined it’s 9/29 or 1/3 (33%)……..
and that does not include the Inter-AC Schools:
Episcopal, GA, Malvern Prep, Ches Hill Acad, Penn Charter.. I could also include VFMA, the Hill School and the Perkiomen School if we need to go there….
Thus, in the D1/D12 area you have at least 15 Schools that the parents/Schools can select “talent” from the Public Schools for both academic and athletic purposes.
Not a hater. Just a realist… The Public Schools (especially in D12 and D1)have their hands full to create an atmosphere to keep thier talent at a local level..
@ Jive:
Admit it, you were wrong.
O L Coach-
I appreciate your support of LS, SJP and the PCL…
However, your comment is like comparing apples to oranges! You CANNOT compare a Public School that all local/community kids attend to a school that “selects” its applicants based on scholastic aptitude. Those schools can cherry pick the better applicants based on academic achievement and the potential for athletic achievement. I understand that some parents choose to send their children to those schools if their Public School is not academically good and/or their Football program is suspect. I am not calling that “recruiting” to be clear.. Parents can choose.
Some Public Schools are very, very good and combine academics and good athletics. They are in the minority. Other Public Schools are not good at all in either or just good in athletics. Despite your comments, there are kids in Public Schools that attend Ivy and Patriot League Schools. However, the numbers (%) clearly are NOT as large as the LS, SJP, and other PCL Schools in D12.
Not a hater, but you need to be careful comparing a Public School to a Prep/Charter/PCL School as the enrty criteria are clearly NOT the same.. The Public Schools ACCEPT ALL “applicants”. LS, SJP would probably not allow a kid with poor academics into one of those Schools no matter how good a Football player they were..
Just Saying bro..
If you guys actually read posts instead of jumping on people for unjustly bringing down the mighty catholic league you would have read this guy was not bashing mighty Philadelphia Catholic League. In fact if you did even just a little research you would see that Mighty PCL has not really dominated anything 4A State Titles: D7-2, D12-1, D11-1, D3-1; 3A State Titles: D11-1, D12-1, D7-1, D10-1, D4-1; 2A State Titles: D3-3, D12-1, D10-1. All since the PCL has joined the PIAA, I wouldn’t say that it is dominance I would say that is parody.
@OLCoach again I am not talking about the PCL!! @Jiveturkey again I am not talking about the PCL when referring to CL Colonial League, the Philadelphia Catholic League is not by any stretch a JV league. I don’t know who is whining about anything? In fact I actually complimented the Philadelphia Catholic League. If by saying that D12 is bad football with exception of most of the Philadelphia Catholic League schools (meaning they are good, for our friends who cannot comprehend) I don’t know how that is interpreted as saying something negative about the PHILADELPHIA CATHOLIC LEAGUE (PCL) when I simply stated that the COLONIAL LEAGUE (CL) is really bad football which judging by the state playoff score of the 2A D11 reps I’d say it is pretty bad football. Since the PCL has joined the PIAA D11 has only beaten D12 twice both resulting in state titles giving them 2 state titles since 2008, one in 4A, one in 3A the same as D12 with the exception of the 2A state title. While certainly D12 has owned D11 head to head.
We are going round and round, which is actually pretty fun. Gets the blood flowing for the start of football. Here’s my whole point. The Philadelphia CL is more than Wood, Prep, and LaSalle. If the 5 AAAA teams joined any of the leagues we are discussing, there is a pretty good chance of them finishing first through fifth. Ryan and Judge are very good football teams. Prep and LaSalle are, well they’re Prep and LaSalle. Roman is like the kid everybody forgets about until they knock off Prep or LaSalle, like they have 2 out of the last 4 years to play in the PCL finals.
I’m not talking about the Catholic League I am talking about the Colonial League. I was using WC as a barometer for the 2A league saying they would own the Colonial League which is all 2A and 3A. So in essence I am saying how good the Catholic League is. I am saying that the best Catholic League Schools would be great in the other Districts. No Arch Bishop Ryan, Judge etc would not win the LVC. Would they compete yes absolutely. But they would not come out of D11 as the rep.
@Buddy, go back and read the conversation. Wood, Prep, LaSalle, West, and O’Hara were a few of the teams mentioned. Pretty sure none of them are in the Colonial. I love the conversations, however, please read the whole conversation before you jump in.
@Buddy-
You are spot on!! Mike was referring to the Colonial League (CL) not the Philly Catholic League (PCL). Teams in the Colonial League include: Palisades, Southern Lehigh, Salisbury, Bangor, Wilson (not Wilson West Lawn), Palmerton, Norhtern Lehigh, Panther Valley, Pen Argyl, Catty, etc.. All AA Schools in the Lehigh Valley area..
With all due respect, outside Pen Argyl and Catty, the League is not that strong overall.
@ Jive
I believe when Mike referred to the CL, he was talking about the Colonial league in the D11, not the Catholic league in D12.
You seemed to be in a hurry to stone anyone that is not a Catholic league fan. Now that’s hate.
Let’s turn the table on this recruiting crap; I have a challenge for all the D11 whiners.
Pick any ONE academic statistic that places your D11 school higher than SJP or LS. Average SAT score, % of National Merit Scholarship winners, % of graduates attending Ivy League schools, average scholarship award; just pick one.
This should be good!
@Caleb, I don’t see any AAAA Pub teams heading to states any time soon. It’s a shame cause I think there is a lot of talent in some of them schools. Just not enough resources, or whatever it may be, to get 20 strong players at 1 school together. Aside from Imhotep, A, AA, and AAA seem to be stuck in quick sand and can’t climb out. It’s kind of a weird dynamic. Seems the smaller schools attract most of the basketball talent, and the big schools get the football talent. That being said, Imhotep at AA, in the past year or so, is drawing a ton of football talent.
@Mike, The truth is that D12 wins at over 70% playing outside of their district. You bash the CL and the fact is that any of the 5 teams in AAAA would finish above .500 in any of those districts. You love watching Wood? They can’t touch CL AAAA. O’Hara? Almost fell out of my chair laughing when I saw that. West Catholic would have absolutely destroyed the CL last year? They were in CL AA last year, and were not a very good team. Half of their good players transferred to Imhotep. I think you watched the state championship games in the 2008-2012 years and feel you know the CL from top to bottom. Good hustle, and I give you an “A” for enthusiasm, but you have no clue about the CL or D12.
@Mike, I’m well versed in both D11 and D12; it’s clear you are not.
First, do some research on D12 vs. D11 head to head.
Second, you want to use WC as a barometer to compare D11 to; please remember WC is a AA school and not far f5rom an A school. How do you think Father Judge and A. Ryan would do in the LVC? I can assure you they would compete for the LVC title every year; in D12 they have been perennial 4th and 5th place teams out of 5 AAAA teams.
Just what is this idiotic statement supposed to mean?
“However I would still say that the CL is JV league football and everybody who is not invested in the CL from the Lv will tell you that”
Tell you what, until D11 steps up and starts beating D12 which they’ve done a good job of proving they can;t do, D11 should just shut up. Win some games against D12 and earn some respect; until then it’s just all hot air.
@JiveTurkey I am not hating on D12 I am speaking the truth tell me who is successful in D12 besides Prep, Lasalle, and Wood (and to a lesser extent O’Hara)? I’m not a hater I’m a realist. Do I think that D1, D11, D3, and D7 are better districts from top to bottom? Yes absolutely anybody who has ever played football can see that. However D12 with maybe the only exception being D7 is the best at the top. However I would still say that the CL is JV league football and everybody who is not invested in the CL from the Lv will tell you that. West Catholic would have absolutely destroyed the CL last year and a big part of why is because who WV plays and who the the CL teams play. I’m not hating I’m just being honest. D12 good teams will always be state title contenders regardless that the district stinks. I love watching wood it reminds me of CBW and ACC in the 1990’s. But don’t think for a second that you could import all of D12 into any district and still think that they could own the other districts.
@JiveTurkey9, Thx – I needed a refresher on D12 history… I grew up with D7 football and live in Eastern PA now. Love this site and the active posting – not so active in Western PA. Philly Public league joined PIAA in 2004 and PCL in 2008. I see Northeast also played in at least 3 District championship games losing to either GW or Frankford. GW beats LaSalle in ’08 and its been all LaSalle since then. It seems STJ is already being penciled into Hershey vs. Gateway – when will the D12 pubs challenge again? I’ve heard one of the STJ teams from the early 2000’s would have made a strong run through states if they were in the PIAA at the time.
Wow Mike, that’s a whole lot of hate towards the Catholic League, and D12 for that matter. Looks like the past few days have been a D12 bash. All they do is produce state title contenders in every sport. All they do in football, when playing outside of the district, is win at a 70-75% clip. Why all the hate on the CL and D12? Jealousy has a very ugly face, perhaps you haters should walk around with a bag over your heads. We only have 2 months until kickoff. I hope that’s ample time for the haters to get together, and come up with some great excuses as to why their team got trounced by them bums from D12.
To dominate the colonial league and really be in the state title picture catty would have mercy rule every team in the colonial league. The CL is awful football, catty beat PA yes abd look what Imhotep did to PA and look what wyomissing did to Imhotep, that’s how far away a CL team is from competing on the state stage. The CL teams are more than happy staying in there bubble and beating up on Salisbury, Palmerton and so forth… Why wouldn’t catty or PA try to play (I know they can’t cause of the league) play a good 3A team or at least scrimmage them? West Catholic has played Wood and Lasalle over the years that’s a 3A and 4A state title contender. West didn’t become simply by “recruiting” they played up. The CL teams will never challenge themselves to do that. I’ve been a D11 fan all my life, and the state of D11 football makes me want to throw up. It has gotten progressively worse since the 90’s with the exception of 08 Liberty and 10 ACC
@Caleb, George Washington 5 times. Frankford 4 times.
In reference to the “PA Dynasty” teams at 4A:
Going back to 2000, 15 current 4A teams have played in at least 3 of their respective District Championship games:
D1: North Penn, Neshaminy, Ridley
D12: SJP, LaSalle (considering D12 in the 2000’s)
D11: Easton, Parkland, Liberty
D3: Cumberland Valley, Wilson West Lawn
D7: Woodland Hills, Pgh CC, Gateway, NA, USC
SJP, Easton, and Gateway have not been to Hershey (yet) – the rest have been mostly familiar names on the December stage.
Here’s hoping for another Fresh Face this year e.g. Coatesville (12), Central Dauphin (11), State College (09), Bethel Park (08)… fun to see the school spirit build up through the season!
@Mike
Only thing i am confused is what you mean by a team that dominates the colonial league? Last year Catty was undefeated unitl the district championship in which Pen Argyl beat them because catty was overconfident. Catty lost one wide receiver and he wasnt even their leading receiver. Catty beat every team by at least 28 points including Pen Argyl… How is that not dominating the colonial league. Catty was a better team than Pen Argyl so Catty certainly could have made it to imhotep. Unfortunately imhotep is probably where there chances end. But i dont know how Catty did not dominate the colonial league last year and they certainly and looking at their personnel coming back they should do it again. (barring injury)
Yeah, Saint Joe’s Prep has the potential to take the AAAA state gold and be nationally ranked. Could see this storm brewing for the past few years. But we’ll see, that’s why they play the games.
District 11 will not get any further than they currently do until they start playing better teams. ACC will be the only 3A team that ever comes out of D11 and they open with Allen, the 4A schools in the LVC for the most part play the MVC schools out of conference which is like playing a 2A school. And in 2A the only D11 team that will ever get out is a team who completely dominates the colonial league. Catty will not make a state title run, ACC will make another serious run in the next 5-7 years it always seems they get 2 good classes back to back and make a 3-4 year run out of it except the 90’s when they were in the same class of cb west, and berwick. In 4A Parkland is the only school who will ever make a run and they will need 2 really good classes back to back. Easton if they get rid of shudders stop playing on turkey day and go outside the Easton family they will win one.
mgguy
Thank you very much. That spreadsheet with all that you mention is what I had too, but i could not remember the site either after my computer dilemma. Thanks again, District by District will do if i can get it.
Kmac, try PIAA website, schools tab, classifications, football, and you will get a list of districts with the breakdown by size. At the bottom you can choose all. Hope that helps. I used to have a single spreadsheet with all schools on it, but can’t remember where I got it!
Anyone?
Someone had suppied a website that gave the enrollment classifications for high school football for the entire state of PA by District last year. Due to a virus and computer repair I had it and lost it. I have been all over the PIAA website but cannot seem to pin it down there. Can anyone help? Thank you.
From what I hear, SJP is the beast of the east this year.
I’m sick of this recruiting none sense, does anyone think any eastern teams have a really good shot of bringing home the gold in Hershey? Certainly in the D11 area id have to say Catty is the one that I know right now has a quality shot of potentially making a playoff run. The problem in this area is I think there are alot of pretty good teams but there haven’t been alot of really good or certainly no trully great ones since central and liberty one there state championships. But who does everyone think the best bet in the east is? My easy but certainly quality pick in AAAA is Coatseville.
@Mike
I’m sorry I did not explain. They lived in Bethlehem and were in 8th grade an anttended Broughal middle school. They went to central the next year because they wanted to go their because of centrals success the previous year. They played freshmen football but ended up not playing football and now play soccer and baseball. Not totally denying your other claims of the three players trying to transfer but I respectively doubt that it was actually suppose to happen. Freedom beat central fairly handily that year so I think central should have allowed those two in, unless of course you mean the PIAA did not allow them to transfer? Regardless I was just trying to give an example of how in 99% of these transfer cases there isn’t much true recruiting going on. Sometimes i wonder if these guys think that the coaches go to these players houses to meet their mothers and give them pamphlets about their high schools! Maybe these people just like the recruiting process so much they want a middle school national signing day! Either way it’s ridiculous and the hardest working, most talented coaches and players will win the ball games this fall regardless of what these recruiting conspiracy theorists believe.
Paul from Philly-
Thanks. You are a class act. I don’t hate, just understand the situation. It is hard for some D1 schools cause they may lose some talent to other schools. Some Schools more than others. If they don’t have a “program”, they are susceptible to losing the better kids. It is their responsibility to have something that those kids want to be a part of moving forward. If they don’t, then kids will go elsewhere. Good luck this year!!
As for Hatboro, They use to be a football powerhouse back in the late 70’s early 80’s. Bux-mont league champs in 1982. 11-0. Love to see that return
The PIAA needs to understand that schools that can recruit have an unfair advantage over those that can’t. It’s that simple. I have no problem with school getting quality athletes, but they should play in their own playoffs. It’s like telling Penn State that they can only draw players from PA, but then allowing Ohio State to draw from the entire country? That is what it was like when Pen Argyl took the field against Imhotep. The Pen Argyl players were all home grown. No transfers at all.
Bethlehem Catholic in wrestling is even more insane. They have wrestlers from everywhere. Public schools can’t compete with that.
@ Glass & Chip
Well said, both of you.
Remember the point that Glass made. Many of these kids that transfer and are really good players don’t pay the going rate. Many of these families couldn’t afford it. That’s important. Whether it be LaSalle, SJP or Wood.
That’s what I question. In effect, that’s giving scholarships ( like colleges). Not sure how equitable that is in relationship to the public schools.
Recruiting Recruiting that all we ever hear
1 has any of these schools been investigated by the P.I.A.A
2 has any of these schools had a complaint filed aganist them by their district
3 has any schools or coaches files a complaint on these schools with their district or the P.I.A.A
iF NOT THEY MUST BE IN THE RULES LET IT GO AND LET PLAY BALL !
@ Glass Slipper and Chip Trussel Meyer
Thank you. The way the earlier post made it sound was Philly Pubs are bad because the private/charter schools are raiding their talent base. I agree with both of you on your view of the situation. And the reason the philly pubs suck is because there are no programs, no coaches, and no kids dedicated to it like other top teams.
2 kids did not transfer into ACC in 2011 one kid did from Wilson did and he barely played, and one kid did from Allen he played on special teams and that’s it. Not to mention that Nick Sharga (Northampton), Eddie Elliot (Freedom), Okezie Alozie (Freedom) tried to transfer into ACC and were not permitted. If Anybody recruits in the LVC it’s Freedom! They have more kids on their roster from Allentown than do from Bethlehem!
Correction to my name on my previous post. Wouldn’t want to butcher the great Jimmy Tressels’ name.
Kids transfer because of good football teams without technical “recruiting,” going on. I know of two brothers (I live in the lehigh valley) who transferred to Central Catholic in 2011 because they won the state championship the year before. Lasalle is a good school, why wouldn’t parents send their kids there for quality academics if they can afford it plus the quality football program? And when a talented, competitive kid who wants to win talks to a coach about the idea of transferring to his school what should the coach say? Of course he’d tell him to go to his school! This isn’t a giant conspiracy meant to down the public schools. Bethlehem catholic use to be a powerhouse in football and you couldn’t mention them without “recruiting,” coming up. Now that they are nowhere at that level it isn’t even mentioned yet I’ve heard of football players transferring in the last few years purely for football!!! Kids will transfer, private/catholic schools will accept them, and public schools will still continue to compete and win an equal amount as these alleged recruiting powerhouses. Oh and public schools get transfers too but no one complains then….. Unless that schools wins of course.
Yo Paul-
Lighten up… Nobody is questioning where the kids from LaSalle come from. They come from all over southeastern PA. They always field a great team no matter where the talent originates. It is a great school and they have good Coaches. ???? mentions one kid, you need to relax and have some perspective on things. I am a D1 fan, but realize that this stuff happens in this area. It is not an indictment on LaSalle or any other PCL/Charter School. It is just a fact… Kids leave some of the Public Schools for a reason. bad Schools, bad teams, bad situations.. However, you can’t say that the PCL or Charter schools don’t target certain kids in their attempt to get the enrollment that they need. I won’t call it “recruiting”, but alot of those families don’t pay the going rate to attend LaSalle/SJP/Wood or other schools. It just is what it is.. In the end, the parents and the kids need to decide what is the best situation for their own situation.
Watch out for Coatesville this year, they are going to be another contending team this upcoming season. The entire secondary for defensive are possible Division 1 recruits and are hungry for another state run with what happened last season. Just don’t let your guard down on them
@ ????
Wow! You mention one player from Philly on the La Salle team. Name some more. Should be easy considering they sucked all the talent from Philly Pubs! Most of the kids are from the suburbs so if they’re recruiting they’re pulling from the suburbs, not the city. Plus with all the players that went on to real D1 schools….oh wait, they didn’t. They’re just a bunch of smart kids (remember you have to pass a test to get in) that are really well coached. Remember Sharrif Floyd from Washington? He lived with a friend so he could attend Washington. Na, no recruiting there!
Sorry for incorrect spelling typing kinda fast.
District 12 is good football its just that the charter/catholic school take out all the talent from the pub but when you look at it tho a kids eyes in philadelphia he looks at it like this. What school can give me a better chance at making it to the next level. Many kids leave because they want to be on yhe best team not average. Like that kid from lasalle Zaire Franklin. Lives in philadelphia but goes to lasalle. Catholic/Charter schools are ruining the public league. Its so micb talent in the pub really that Catholic/Charter schools get to get the pickings of the best…Imagine if the pub was organize unit it woulf be great football to watch.
District 12 is not good football! As somebody pointed below… 3-5 good teams and that is it! Recruiting is what it is, I personally believe it is done just as frequently at some public schools as it done at some private schools. Their is a great post below that I would expand on. Just district 12 4A schools Ryan, Judge, Roman, Frankford, GW, South Philadelphia, Mastbaum, Olney, Edison, Lincoln, and of course Lasalle and Prep. With the obvious exception of prep and Lasalle not one of those teams would be a 500 team in D1, D11, D3, or D7. If you break down 3A it is even worse than what 4A looks like with really only Wood and with Ohara being competitive more often than not. St. Joe prep sits in the city, Lasalle is in Montgomery county, and Wood is in Bucks county. How competitive would these teams be if prep could only take kids from within the city, Lasalle from only Montgomery county, and wood from only bucks? I’m sure they would still be very good considering the outstanding coaching Staff’s. But it would not be what it is. Limit the catholic schools to only allow students to participate in sports if they live within in the county.
Cinderalla-
You should really do your homework before casting pebbles. Dist 7 has 1/23 schools (Pitts Central Catholic) that are either prep/catholic shools. Same with Dist 10, with 1/10 (Erie Cathedral)in AAA. The same cannot be said for either District 1 or 12 in Philly. In District 12 AAAA, you have 6/17 Schools that are either Charter/Catholic. In AAA, you have 8/12 that are Charter or Catholic. Clearly there is a tranfer of talent in the Philadelphia area that you don’t see in the Pittsburgh area. Maybe that dimishes the “skill” talent that you refer to.. In District 1 it is all Public, but some of those kids go to the Catholic/Charter Schools outside or inside of Philly….. You can’t compare apples to oranges!! It is what it is…… However, your analysis of the State Playoff games is spot on in recent years.. I totally agree with your last comments regarding Religious comments…..
@ Cinderella Man
Don’t you think it’s a little early to start the “Recruiting” nonsense. Most people wait for the Catholic and Charter schools to go well into the playoffs before they start playing that card. Plus you make it sound like the Vikings come into town and “Raid’ the hamlets and steal the children. Nice bedtime story!!
I’ve been unimpressed by D-1 and D-12 AAAA football. District 1 is the largest in the state for the AAAA class and put average football teams in the state finals every year. D-12 is all Catholic and Charter schools who raid the pub schools for their best players. Legitimately big lineman but not often GOOD SKILL players.
PS: Can we please leave religious and praising God comments off this board. If I were to post non-conformist posts on here would they be deleted?!?! It’s all of nothing. Thank you
Buddy, here’s the link to North Penn’s schedule:
http://www.npfootball.com/game_schedule.htm
Yeah, they will probably have 12 by the end of the summer
Yeah they now have 8 D1 players
it is goin to interesting to see what IMOTEP does this year.. great coach but lets see what happens.. as for the PCL.. should be a good season for all the teams..
congrats BIG 33 PA team in their
HAMMERING of Maryland
great job everyone and much RESPECT
to [ MR TYLER BOYD AKA MVP]
Great job Tyler and may God bless you and your
entire football career into the pro’s
….lean onto the LORD and he
will open many door’s of opportunity
in football but more importantly life !
prayer move’s mountain’s …
@phillyboy
You raise a good question about D1 4A. And you are again right on the great versus good team comment; you’d have to say North Penn’s 2003 State Champion was the last “truly great D1 team”. I sort of class the teams in terms of state championships as certainly special, and also to get to a state championship and bring home silver as also special, at least officially the 2nd best 4A team in the state. In that regard, in 2004 Neshaminy unfortunately ran into the best HS Football team I ever saw personally in Pittsburgh Central Catholic. And too, North Penn and Coatesville were silver the last two seasons in 4A. But, again, you are right about a D1 team not having that extra to bring home gold for 10 years now. The only buzz I have heard this season so far is that Neshaminy was very young last season and may be quite strong in 2013.
@ Newman
Wow……….. you sure about that?
Killer schedule. I don’t know about the “can’t miss” part.
NP is going to get run over, especially from SJP.
Got to give them ( NP) credit. They aren’t avoiding anyone, even though maybe they should this year.
Anybody know who might step up this year in District 1 AAAA? I’m hoping they can get out of their funk. There are always several good teams but there hasn’t been a truly great team in 10 years.
It is tough to say who will come out of District 3 this year in AA. Lancaster Catholic having moved to AAA last season and WYO losing many key players. AAA in District 3 could also be very interesting will someone knock off Bishop McDevitt?
Buddy, North Penn plays Archbishop Wood on September 6, and St. Joseph’s Prep on September 13. Both of these are “can’t-miss” games.
Don’t sleep on Pennridge in D1 this year. Lots of young talent plus a stud RB, once again under the coaching of Jeff Hollenbach. Could run the table in their confrence
Thank you Joeyblack12 if the pub got organized like the Catholic schools do ghey wouldn’t be so bad there is plenty of talent ib the pub just not organized enough or disciple enough. You didn’t really hear of imhotep till there new coach came and turned things around. So imagine if the whole pub team got organized its a scary thought.
Imhotep was mainly made up of kids from their previous roster the program just got a great player and a coach that took the program in the right direction only a few starters weren’t on their 2011 roster
Just wondering but so is the quips a terrible team cause they put same scores on teams till they was defeated against WYO same as imhotep blowing out everyone in there path until they lose to WYO.
Who is district 3 power house this year?
Will District 3 continue its dominance in AA?
So sick and tired of hearing about how good or bad Imhotep is. “We beat West!” They should have beaten west, they brought in their coach, best player, and a few other starters from West. “We beat Pen Argyl!” Yeah, cause Pen Argyl was not very good. WYO 35-15, however, it should have been posted something like L 35-15. Why? cause Wyomissing was a very good team. We will know on September 7th if Imhotep is any good, when they play LaSalle. They are playing Mooney from Ohio the week before, but Mooney is the Lincoln of Ohio football, no a test at all.
Buddy
Sorry, I have no schedule help for the Knights. The realignment you mention is for 2014 and the Division will be NP, Neshaminy, Pennsbury, Souderton, Pennridge,CB South, Abington, and Bensalem. Should make for some interesting football given recent seasons’ results; but then again; every season – ????
North Penn’s schedule has 2 dates missing.
Sept. 6 and 13. Anyone know who they are playing those dates?
Unless coach Beck has some superstars hidden away or under wraps somewhere ( which I doubt), this upcoming year does not bode well for North Penn.
Last years running offense & defense was quite good, but the players that made that so are gone.
Their passing offense & defense were virtually non-existent last year ( the main reason for 3 of their 4 loses)
I haven’t seen their schedule yet, but assuming they start out with the usual cast of characters, LaSalle, SJP and maybe Wood again, distinct possibility of starting out 0 and 2 or 0 and 3 looms.
Furthermore, if the league does indeed re-align this year, North Penn goes back to playing the big boys ( Neshaminy, Pennsbury etc.) again. Add to that Pennridge is still on the schedule,this potentially makes for a very long year indeed.
NP missed the playoffs last year for the first time in about 15 years. I see that as very possible, and most likely, again.
As a NP fan, I do hope I’m wrong.
The most important thing to remember
about your favorite team is……
you all know as well as I do the new year always
starts out with a record of 0-0
no matter what your team or my team record was last
season doesn’t predict anything on the following
season.
Would be nice if it did but lots of things must fall into place first everyone MUST MESH everyone must
be dedicated and everyone MUST BE A LEADER
without these key things a team (WON’T)
SUCCEED . I have seen team’s that had TON’S
of talent and went NO WHERE because
EVERYONE WANTS THE CREDIT ….
football is a game of giving all of one’s inner fabric of life.
like a strong chain every link is as important
as the one to the left and to the right all
must aim for P.I.A.A weekend as one unit
if not ….they will never get there or at least
close. in football success is earned NOT
given take my CHIEFS for example last season
were picked by the “experts” LOL
to finish second to last but the CHIEFS
refused to be dis respected and made the
District 2 AA playoffs for the 14th straight
year and to the District 2 AA Championship game
they all were a family and will remain a family
no matter how many starters are returning
As always Good Luck LAKELAND CHIEFS
and anyone who works hard for what they want !
Go look at Aliquippa’s scores and match-ups from last year and tell me they are not the Imhotep of Western Pa. Competition in 2A period isn’t that strong it’s not 4A where you can get beaten any given Friday.All the statements how the competition wasn’t that good can go for any of the good teams in 2A last year right or wrong? But other then that Imhotep from what I see will be good for some time to come a lot of young talent. I would like to see a Imhotep and Aliquippa match this year that game probably will have somewhere around 12 D1 players in it that is exciting .
@ Mike
Yeah, there are 1.5 million people in the city but there’s also like a million high schools.
@ Greg Little
Dude, you’re exaggerating. First of all, Imhotep was the best team last year in the entire Public League regardless of classification. And they didn’t get crushed by Wyomissing. Dude, I was there. They just lost a fairly competitive game. Wyomissing surged a little at the end. Alex Anzelone was a PTP’er as Dick Vitale would say. Imhotep was at least the second or third best team in the state at AA. Wyomissing was for real, what can you say. They would have held their own against a lot of good AAA and AAAA teams.
WE DESTROYED THE BEST D11 TEAM IN AA?
@ Greg
WEST CATHOLIC 40-0
PEN ARGLY 54-0
WYO-35-15
BUT WE DIDN’T PLAY ANYBODY.
@ Mike, love the way you think. Make a statement, without any merit, and stick by it no matter how wrong you may be. Let me throw some facts at you. Father Judge; 1-4 in the CL, 3-6 overall, beat their lone district 1 opponent by 20. Ryan 2-5 CL, 6-5 overall, beat their lone D1 opponent by 28. Roman, who is much better than Judge and Ryan lost to D-Town East, early when D-Town looked like the team to beat in D1. Lansdale Catholic 2-5 in the CL, not a very good team at all last year. Beat their 2 D1 opponents by a combined score of 77-14. I could go on all day with these stats, I just don’t feel like doing all the research again. (Somebody had the same gripe last year. D12 won around 75% of their games against D1). So in closing, perhaps a little research would be good before you throw out jibber jabber.
Great job everyone on top returning teams! It’s a good start!
I researched Biglerville and did not see any 6-6 or 6-8 lineman although the Hurda kid is a Strong Big Back…Still not sold on the Canners i need more info!!
So take Imhotep out of it. Prep, Lasalle, Wood, and West Catholic. 4 Team with all those people. District 12 outside of these 4 teams is awful football. Prep, Wood, and Lasalle would most likely win the league in any league in the state with the exception of the wpial. However the rest of those daisy’s in District 12 would not compete in District 1, 11, 3, 7.
Please dont mention Imhotap in the same sentence as Wood, Prep, and LaSalle. Not even close. They play in the worse league in the state. They played one real football team last year and got crushed. They are the best in the Philadelphia Public League AA. Which means they are the best of the lowest in the worst league.
expect lots of shake ups in district 3 and 4
fresh from the grape vine
first out of district 3 watch out for the
BIGLERVILLE CANNERS
they have most of their starters back and 3 O/D
lineman who are 6-3 6-6 and a whopping 6-8
and who go 280 and 290 and can move
with many players attending the PENN STATE
football camps this year this team will make
noise as they roll over everyone in the
York Adams League and possible states
they have a soild QB who can run and gun and a tailback who had a SHOCKING 4.3 IN THE 40
at camp PENN STATE this is truely going to be an
outstanding year for the canners
good luck coach Alex and team
onto District 4 expect tough games with
Shikellamy the Braves will give everyone a run for their money with tons of returning talent and with coach todd doing well in command
the Braves will be the team to beat in AAA
in district 4
@???? Imhotep had all these D1 guys last year too and all we heard about is how they were going to roll to a state title and they didn’t even get there. D12 is such an overrated district. Granted Lasalle, Prep, Wood, Imhotep and West Catholic are all extremely good. But that is 5 teams in 3 classes and the rest of the district is awful. I could fill 5 teams with 1.5 million people in the city and philadelphia metro area population of about 5 million people.
D-11…AA-Catasauqua returns a heap of skill position players from a team that was undefeated in the regular season.
AAAA-Every year just assume Easton who returns Shane Simpson and Parkland who always reloads. Liberty has an interesting team, as they meet SC in their opener. That will tell a ton about their team.
District 2
Big school
1. Berwick
2. Abington Heights
3. Wyoming Valley West
4. Crestwood
5. Scranton
Small School
1. Dunmore
2. Old Forge
3. Lakeland
4. Lake Lehman
I’m starting to put my top team list together. Who are the top teams in District 1, 2, 3, 4, 11 & 12?
Who will b the favorite in District 3-AA?
In District 4-AA i like Montoursville and Mount Carmel. anyone agree with those picks?
Highly doubt football (and basketball) get cut in the Philly School district. I can see the other sports though.
@?????????, I don’t know if you follow anything other than Imhotep football. In case you do not, I have some info for you. The Philadelphia school district has a $300M deficit and is looking to eliminate sports first. There may be no season to see how it comes out. I hope it doesn’t happen because I enjoyed seeing Imhotep get crushed in their first game against a real football team. (No disrespect meant to AA public league).
IMHOTEP 2015 WR/ATH DENISTON MOORE HAS RECIEVED A FULL RIDE TO TEMPLE. IMHOTEPS 2015 RB NASIR BONNER HOLDS 4 D1 OFFERS UCONN, WISCONSON, UMASS, AND WEST VIRGINIA
IMHOTEP HAS A HAND FULL OF D1 ATHLETES CAN’T WAIT TO SEE HOW THE SEASON COMES OUT!!!!!
Bigman….Riverside was expected to have a big year last year and disappointed. They lose a lot of talent but they have a couple key players back. Munley is a good WR and they have a 4 year starter on the O line. Looking at their schedule, I’ll say 4-6 or 5-5. Losses to Dunmore, Old Forge, Honesdale, West Scranton, Lakeland and North Pocono is a toss up
to Bigmanl
Riverside just like Lakeland always steps
it up no matter what talent is returning
however I do believe the vikes have lots of
returning starters so things should be solid
good luck 2013
LOL just not against us Chiefs
also I hear Old Forge has plenty of talent
returning as well which will make your never
ending rivalry even better…but the
class A team to watch will be the Bucks of Dunmore
yes they lost their QB and I think 3 linemen
but they have their clutch running back returning
in Buckley he is fast and strong
expect Lackawanna Trail to make noise too..
for Lakeland I’m not sure who will be making noise in AA…..
As always GO CHIEFS
Regarding the Prep’s opener, never heard of that particular high school but I’m sure they can ball if they’re from Dallas. In my opinion the three best high school football cities in the nation are Cincinnati, Miami and Dallas.
Whats your guys opinion on the Riverside Vikings this year? They have had lots of talent in the past.Do you think they will have a good season? What players do we have watch for on Riverside?
With Hollenbach coming to Pennridge I predict Pennridge will have no more than one loss, possibly to North Penn.
congrats to the
LAKELAND CHIEFS BASEBALL TEAM
Winning the District 2 AA CHAMPIONSHIP
LAKELAND 6
MID VALLEY 0
Best of luck in the state playoffs
GO CHIEFS
To anyone :?????
Any word on how Bergen Catholic NJ
will look this year ?
I know years past they were a POWERHOUSE
with rival DON BOSCO
@philly, They are playing Dallas Jesuit on Friday the 30th at Jesuit. Then head to Bosco. First couple of weeks should be interesting for them. If their O line comes together they will be just as good or if not better the 2012.
Go GV JAGS!
@philly, not sure who in Texas, pretty sure they will be in Dallas. Sent a text to confirm the Bosco game and the response was something to the effect of, gonna be a tough one cause were in Dallas the week before. I’m not a Prep fan, however, I have to respect what I think they are going to be this season.
Imhotep 2015 RB NASIR BONNER HOLDS 4 D1 OFFERS FROM WEST VIRGINIA, UMASS, UCONN, WISCONSIN
Prep & Bosco game will be played in Ramsey Nj
@ markd
Pretty sure SJP/Bosco game will be in Ramsey, NJ.
@ JiveTurkey9
I didn’t know that the Prep is going to Texas for their first game. Who are they going to play?
Hey Markd
thanks and good luck to your team as well
and to SuperTramp lol I hear ya brah
good luck to your team too keep healthy
besides being a strong fan of Lakeland
I also support the BERWICK BULLDAWGS
I have lots of respect for Legendary Coach
GEORGE CURRY truly a coaching legend
so happy he is coaching HIS DAWGS again
on his return last season leading the
Dawgs to the AAA district championship game .
this year I predict deep into states for
the Dawgs ….good luck coach Curry and
your BERWICK BULLDAWGS bring back STATE TITLE
TOWN !!!!!!…….
as always GO LAKELAND CHIEFS!!!!
phillyboy is correct. Prep goes to Texas the week before, and then goes up to Bosco on the 7th. Should know by week 3 if Prep is for real or not. I’m leaning towards really real, however, that’s some big time games on the road.
I believe it will be played in NJ.
@Philly
where will that game be played ?
Wow. Looks like St. Joe’s Prep is going toe to toe with Bosco on September 7. This is great because SJP should have a peak year thereby giving them a decent chance of knocking off mighty Bosco.
Good luck Doug may the kids have a healthy and winning season.
@DougD-
Hey.. Your REO Speedwagon LP is skipping. I can hear it over here. You may want to turn it over to side B.
Go Chiefs!
Hey Brian
While some may have heard, this is news to me that Randy has left Suburban One and Pennridge. Thank you for the heads up. You are right that it puts the Rams in a bind for the coming season at least. You have probably seen the realignment for 2014 for Suburban One. North Penn, Pennsbury, Neshaminy, Souderton, Pennridge, C B South, Abington, and Bensalem as the National Conference should make for some exciting games. Based on the last few seasons, it would seem the Owls of Bensalem would have the greatest challenge in this division.
Will Wilson West Lawn keep the streak going? Last time they had a losing season was 1963, since then only once were they .500 and that was early 80’s, not sure of exact year, but it is second longest winning season streak in the state. 4 years undefeated in section 1 of LL-1, never done before. Time to re-load again it looks like.
Wyomissing loses a bunch of quality players, but they also tend to re-load year after year- the kids coming back got LOTS of playing time last year. This should be an interesting team to watch once again.
Any thoughts on Pottsville this year? New staff, new attitude?
I’m sure most of you have heard that Randy Cuthbert from Pennridge took the Emmaus head coaching position this week. This puts Pennridge in a tough spot losing their entire coaching staff.
hey mark d
your right playing in the big 11 was war every
week thats what the championship chiefs found out
when they moved to the big 11 in 1980
by dismantling your Valley View Cougars 43-8 Fact!!!!
and winning it also in ’81 sharing it in ’82
with Scranton Prep also in 1987 going
13-0 one year before the state championship was
formed being ranked 3rd best in the state under
2 AAAA schools ..besides Lakeland owning the 70’s
the Chiefs also owned from 2000 until 2006
and to your asking what we’ve done the question
is what has your Cougars done besides beating
Dallas 2 years ago for the District title
what have they done ?
like I said even on rebuilding years the Chiefs
keep their pace of winning pride….the Cougars
were not …and trust me I’M NOT cuttting the cougars down I also was routing for them in 1992
when they won state by the way nice job
thats one thing thats on the bulls eye for the chiefs well any how nice talking with ya
good luck to your cougars
just not on week 2 your stadium
go chiefs!!!!
What has Lakeland done lately? Well for starters they destroyed the preseason #7 state ranked team of GAR not once but twice and came within 5 pts of beating Dunmore who went to the A State championship. All other loses were less then a touchdown with the exception of the D2 championship where their QB separated his shoulder early in the second quarter but played until the end.
Being told and it being written everywhere and by everyone that they would amount to nothing and finish dead last, I think these young men proved everything they needed to, and to whom it meant most to, themselves.
For a school with less the 200 male athletes to choose from, and to become the formidable opponent they do year end and year out, maybe we should just wish them the best and cheer for high school football. If you want national champions the NFL channel can be found on your local cable provider.
@Doug
one thing your wrong about in the 70 and 80 Scranton Central played big 11 football and believe me every week was a war!!!
@Doug
dont get me wrong Lakeland has run a great program .I know your coach and i played football with Dan Case. I just get tired of all the Lakeland fans living in the past. What have you really won lately ? what has anyone from d2 won lately ? Believe me i have respect for how constant that program has been,but lets move on all ready, your still talking about kraky that history brother move on as Rob said what do you have coming back on the o line this year ?
good day sir mdodgson
well to begin your wrong about holy cross
never played them in history!
and we haven’t played montrose in years
and onto all time vs VALLEY VIEW and ABINGTON
HEIGHTS with VV our games have always gone
back and forth lots of respect for them also respect for our friends at ABINGTON HEIGHTS
how ever AH just started being good only since
1995 and since we dont play them much your 12-20
is defused ok onto our schedules
2013 CHIEFS FOOTBALL as follows
GAR AA
VALLEY VIEW AAA
HANOVER AREA AA
CARBONDALE AREA AA
SUSQUEHANNA AA
MID VALLEY AA
DUNMORE A
HONESDALE AAA
RIVERSIDE A
WESTERN WAYNE AA
not to bad for being a small school our selves
oh and by the way yes the GOLDEN EAGLES of SCRANTON CENTRAL
were a great program in the 1970’s and early 80’s
oh and also fun fact all the teams central played
most def were NOT TOP QUALITY trust me I know!
because FACT DELAWARE VALLEY WAS JUST FORMED
in the late mid 90’s so their out and SCRANTON
NORTH POCONO WEST SCRANTON ABINGTON HEIGHTS
out of these teams AH are the only true team
of many wins since 95 yes west scranton had 1 or 2
good years of recent account and scranton last season went 11-1 . but to your point of all these BIG schools being awesome just isnt true
I def think LAKELAND does fine for the amount of
students we have hey if your gonna say smack
about the CHIEFS thats your American right
but I wont return being rude trust me
the fine people of ABINGTON HEIGHTS and
VALLEY VIEW respect us like we respect them
as always good luck to any current team you
support oh and
GOOOOOO CHIEFS !!!!! 🙂
FUN FACT :
find another team that goes to the District
Championship game on a building year …you wont!!
14 straight years in Districts and yes many on building years …many teams that go through building years go 1-10 3-7 sorry brah not
Lakeland our sports teams know how to win
good day mate:)
well said jive.
@ Floyd Hall, Every kid that plays QB does not get mentioned in articles just because he plays QB. My guess would be that your son will have to have better than 47% completions, average more than 4 yds per carry, and spread the ball around a bit. (over half of his completions were to Shawn Pepper, who received and deserved all the press clippings) That being said, I wish him well. Don’t worry about press clippings, and let your kid be a kid. Being 16 years old is tough enough, he doesn’t need dad up his butt about being the next RG3. Sit back and enjoy watching instead of judging, he’s gonna be 40 years old before you know it, don’t miss the fun time now.
D-11 football.
Catty might have solid skill players back but Pen Argyl physically beat them up. If their line play doesn’t grow my leaps and bounds then it’s hilarious to think they end up in Hershey.
AAAA football in D-11 is going to be down. Easton probably is the team to beat but they lost a ton. Liberty won’t transition to a new offense and all of a sudden be gangbusters! KJ Williams is probably the best WR in the state and their skill kids are solid. The defense last year was horrendous and their OL didn’t give the QB’s/RB’s a chance. Obviously they have to either spread the field or go back to the flexbone…and hope to use deception/power simple blocking schemes to have a chance. Liberty always has size but they don’t move well and don’t stay low and on their blocks. Nobody can make a Liberty comment positively until after week 1 of the regular season. A win over State College and then start talking…
Mr Hall, don’t get caught up in the press etc and if and when your son gets mentioned. First, just be glad your son transferred and there were no issues that imposed a conundrum of a PIAA hearing as happened to my son last year. My son was ruled ineligible his entire regular season and was fortunate to play in the state playoffs. He still landed at a D2 school. So whether or not he’s rated this or mentioned in that, just get him on film, get it out to schools, keep him humble and he’ll be fine. My son started varsity qb since Fresh yr and he will be the first to tell you that he never cared whether he was mentioned in a paper or blog. Cream always rises to the top. Best of luck.
Doug my point is all time you have losing records vrs the bigger schools.Yes you won some games with Valley View but you 12-20 all time that goes for Abington and the Scranton teams also losing records!Iam counting Scranton central)Yes many wins and titles for Lakeland but 8 wins a year vrs Carbondale.Montrose, Hondesdale ,Susquehanna,Midvalley, Lackawanna Trail Holy Cross thouse are the facts
Hey Rob
I’m not to sure how many linemen are returning
for Lakeland in 2013
but I can say I’m not too concerned because
even in rebuilding years Lakeland turns out
solid years. because of solid coaches
plus we have an outstanding Head Coach in
Jeff Wasilchak son of the late Jerry Wasilchak
Legendary Head Football Coach of the Chiefs
all of the 70’s up until 1984 .
with solid leadership Lakeland takes pride in many
Championship seasons
and not to forget our awesome fan support
win or lose we the fans stick by our Chiefs
unlike some programs that when their team
losses they stop the support . Not at Lakeland!
just to set the record straight I am a strong Chiefs fan through and through I bleed
red white and blue …..
but when the post season starts if the Chiefs arent playing.
myself and others from Lakeland
go and support our local teams. at the end of the day in the post season we from the LFC stick together …..thanks for asking rob and good luck to your team in 2013…
GO CHIEFS
hey mark d
well your asking a difficult question
but what a I can say valley view and Lakeland
just started their rivalry again last year with the cougars just getting by us 19-14 late in the 4th
but before that early 2000’s Lakeland’s STATE PASSING RECORD LEADER Evan Kraky {passed BERWICK’S
Ron Powlus’s record}
and the Chiefs
HAMMERED the cougars 33-0 and won big other games as well just like when Lakeland entered the BIG 11 in 1980 the Chiefs HAMMERED the cougars 43-8
as for Dunmore try looking up who won ALL the games from 2000 thru 2004 Lakeland did all “11”
in season and District 2 championships
now onto North Pocono our last game with them was
2006 we won 41 -7 then again who doesnt beat them anymore lets look at their record from 04 on
and remember this is no cut to them North Pocono
was a power team back in the 1980’s and early 1990’s but for now they are hurting bad !
NORTH POCONO
2004- 1-9
2005- 8-3
2006- 1-9
2007- 2-8
2008- 2-8
2009- 9-2
2010- 6-5
2011- 0-10
2012- 0-10
not sure where you were going with them???
also we havent played Scranton since the late 90’s
and we also beat them like everyone else did they just started doing well! and our hats are tipped to them.
nice 11-1 season knights !!!!
onto Abington Heights trust me we support the Comets in 3A they beat a much better Berwick
team for the D2 AAA title Go Comets
however the Comets were also a team that before 1995 lots of teams beat them and bad …We dont play 3A Abington Heights too much anymore but I do remember in 2004 oct 2nd at Abinton Heights LAKELAND and all state Joe Tuzze winning big 42-12
and lastly west scranton we went back and forth with the invaders they are a team that will beat you if you look past them…
but here are the best decades around the
Lackawanna Football League {FACT: LOOK IT UP}
DUNMORE
2000-2008 77-25-0
1990-1999 72-41-0
1980-1989 79-33-2
1970-1979 73-32-6
LAKELAND
2000-2008 90-18-0
1980-1989 79-32-2
1970-1979 84-26-0
VALLEY VIEW
1990-1999 86-30-1
1980-1989 88-25-3
1970-1979 88-21-3
well who ever you support good luck this year
and remember it doesnt matter who wins or losses
all that matters is that they do their best
GO CHIEFS!:)
Attempted to email, no link …
I would like to know how you rate the high school players and why my son has never been mentioned. His name is Breon Clark from Pennsbury High School, Fairless Hills, PA. Last year he took over as starting QB as a Sophomore and had a great season, yet I never see him mentioned in anything, yet I see players from other schools mentioned on a continuous rate. I surely hope this doesn’t occur this upcoming 2013 season. He has worked hard, transferred from Bensalem RIGHT before the 2012 season and took over as starting QB, as a Sophomore, then his team swept his division before losing to Pennridge in a close playoff game. What else does he have to do to at least get recognized ?!?! or at least be mentioned in the same breath with other players in the SOL division !
Doug
Lakeland runs a great program, but food for thought what is their win loss record all time vrs
Valley View
Dunmore
Abington Heights
North Pocono
Scranton
West Scranton
Doug, how many starting O lineman does Lakeland have coming back?
my prediction for 2013
DISTRICT 2 FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS
CLASS “A” Dunmore
CLASS “AA” Lakeland
CLASS “AAA” Abington Heights
CLASS “AAAA” Delaware Valley
my hopes are very high for Lakeland
in class 2A ……..
last season everyone bailed on the Chiefs
picking us to finish last in Division 2
Lackawanna Football Conference and Districts
and WOW were they ever so wrong NEVER count
the mighty CHIEFS out
here’s how the season went……
first game beating #7 in the pre season state ranking GAR and two time defending District 2 “AA” champs
LAKELAND 34 – GAR 7
LAKELAND 14 – VALLEY VIEW 19 *end of game victory
LAKELAND 34 – HANOVER AREA 15
LAKELAND 14 – CARBONDALE 20 OT
LAKELAND 34 – SUSQUEHANNA 21
LAKELAND 23 – MID VALLEY 13
LAKELAND 17 – DUNMORE 22 *end of game victory
LAKELAND 27 – HONESDALE 7
LAKELAND 28 – RIVERSIDE 21
LAKELAND 28 – WESTERN WAYNE 21
DISTRICT 2 “AA” PLAYOFFS
LAKELAND 35 – GAR 17
Note: 2012 marks the CHIEFS 14th straight
district appearance to date…
DISTRICT 2 “AA” CHAMPIONSHIP
LAKELAND 7 – WYOMING AREA 20
Not to shabby for a team that was picked to have finished last …
like I said never count the CHIEFS out ….
lots of talent returning and will be fine !!!
and plenty of community support!!!!
GO CHIEFS!!!!
D2 AAA,
1) Berwick
2) Abington Heights
3) Crestwood
4) Scranton Prep
thanks Dunmore Sam,
We tip our hats to you guys as well.
Good luck this year and prayerfully everyone will stay healthy. Win or lose games between Lakeland and Dunmore
are always smash mouth yet classy Respect to all of the Lackawanna Football Conference
I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else .
It’s an awesome place to raise a family and bring up great talent we also have awesome TV coverage
in WNEP with the super 16 countdown and awesome coverage….
good luck to all and be safe …
as always GO CHIEFS GO !!!! NEVER GIVE IN NEVER GIVE UP !!!!
@Rob
like you picks for D2,in AAA Berwick and Abington should be cream of the crop.Valley View will be very young. the team that might make some noise is North Pocono, played a lot of young kids last year and has a big group coming back.
lakeland chiefs are a terriffic program. as a dunmore fan i can attest that not only have they been great on the field , they have always been classy in both victory and defeat. good luck chiefs , just not against dunmore.
Rumor has it that Head Coach Joe Bottiglieri of Emmaus is stepping down and taking a job at Lehigh University? Anyone confirm this ?
D2 picks:
A: Either Old Forge or Dunmore. both are light years ahead of all the other teams in A. But if I had to pick I would take Dunmore by a touchdown in the district title game. OF needs a QB and running back. They’ll be solid on D though.
1. Dunmore
2. Old Forge
3. Riverside
4. Trail
5. Northwest
6. Holy Cross
2A: It’s gonna be weak again this year but here’s how I think it’ll shake out:
1. Lake Lehman. Huge fullback and solid running back + very big o line. ALl that is missing is a threat in the pass game but they should be good. Only loss I forsee is week one to Old Forge
2. Lakeland- Lakeland always has good athletes. I know they lose some good players but I expect to see a good year by them
3. Meyers. Surprise, surprise. Still need work on defense but they barely graduated anyone so they’re third. Still not sold on them though. Rememeber 2a is weaksauce
4. Wyoming Area. Lost a lot of talent but also have some good underclassmen. 2 talented linebackers will make them tough.
3A: 1. Berwick, they have 60 some kids on the roster plus curry coming back. They’ll be solid
2. Abington Heights. Show and Hollander are going to be dangerous
3. Valley View- I know they lost some guys but the Castellani kid is coming back so VV should be decent
4. Honesdale- I think this team is ready to have a good year
AAAA- I really have no idea. Scranton and DV both lost alot, I dunno much about either. WVW and HAzleton won’t be that good either.
GO MOUNT CARMEL AREA RED TORNADOS
I played in the early 2000’s and take lots of pride
in the winning tradition at Mount Carmel Area
that I helped make.
But one thing I can’t stand are people who tear
down football teams who win and win alot ….
don’t be hate’n because you have trophy cases
that are empty …winning football teams are like families
at the end of every season we stand together like a band of brothers …teams like ……….
Southern Columbia- Berwick -Clairton
Parkland-Abington Heights-Strath Haven
Manheim Central-Central Bucks West-Lakeland
Aliquippa-Dunmore-Wyomissing-Allentown Central
Catholic-…..etc
so to all the haters of winning football teams
take up another sport !!!!!!
funny how people forget about the PCL when it comes to states.. gonna be a good year for a couple teams from there..
LOL….
To say Lakeland is “nothing” and all those awesome championship
years were just luck and that we were juicing …haha what do ya say to that?
but just laugh. hey if you believe your theory is correct so be it everybody has a right to an opinion
luck doesn’t win 19 DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIPS
and 5 DISTRICT 2 “AA” CHAMPIONSHIPS …
and yep your right ABINGTON HEIGHTS has been
a POWERHOUSE since 1995 on and DUNMORE
since many years earlier no question about that
we like the COMETS AND BUCKS lots of pride and tradition …unlike “some” people we at Lakeland tip our hat to football programs that win games
and show respect for other programs … just like when the BUCKS went to STATES this year what
school put a HUGH good luck sign saying
GOOD LUCK BUCKS from THE CHIEFS on Dunmore corners ….WHY because
we have class …..for many years there have been very shallow people who said garbage about several time STATE CHAMPS BERWICK BULLDAWGS …
It was people who were never in a winning tradition themselves so they will never know how a fine oiled football program works …
even MOUNT CARMEL fan’s were classy after our close battle with them in state’s WHY one word
class !
but again sir its your right to your opinion
and whoever your team is good luck
Wow, do I sense a little bit of jealousy here. When a team destroys other local teams the majority of the time thats not luck, its skill. Lakeland has had some great games with Dunmore and Abington Heights as well as others. Mostly wins and some loses. Both teams are class acts with great coaches. So is Lakeland. My brother and I played on some of the early Lakeland teams and trust me NO ONE juiced. Our teams lived in the gym. Tradition fueled us. Facts are facts buddy and wins are wins. Deal with it.
Don’t slip on Interboro they are up and coming and they will spit more fire this year. The up and coming Junior Na’im, Mark and Karan on offense/defense are the kids to watch. We need more staff support for these kids which they don’t have at the school but, the parents actually take control of the future allstars… Look out they are on their way……… Good Luck Team!!!!
Lakeland is nothing they have got lucky for years ,, those earlier years they were all on the juice dunmore and Abington have been the power house for years they got talent Lakeland has luck
family- community- pride = Lakeland Chiefs football
entering the 2013 football campaign
the CHIEFS are owners of 19 league championships
5 DISTRICT 2 “AA” championships …..
and last season bowed to a very skilled
wyoming area team in the District 2 championship game
also last season marked LAKELAND’S 14 straight district playoff appearance to date 15 overall
in past season’s making it to the eastern semi final twice also way back to 1987 winning the Eastern Conferance title going 13-0 one year before the P.I.A.A STATE TITLE was formed
in the playoffs that season the CHIEFS BEAT “AAAA”
WILLIAMSPORT and “AAA” TUNKHANNOCK Defeated “AAA”BERWICK to reach the unoffical state title game
LAKELAND 28 TUNKANNOCK 15 what a fun game…
through the years even through “building” years the chiefs end up making the playoffs through hard work, lots of pride and an AWESOME COMMUNITY FAN BASE…..!! good luck chiefs
“NEVER GIVE UP NEVER GIVE IN” FOCUS !!!
I have faith the LAKELAND CHIEFS
will remain in the D-2 “AA” post season.
having won the D-2 “AA” CHAMPIONSHIP 2000-2002-2003-2004-2006
and last season being its 14th straight District
playoff appearance the CHIEFS will represent well.
Almost beating DUNMORE in a close battle of much respected riveils ….only time will tell
good luck to all NEPA teams stay healthy
play smart……
@???????? Yes Imhotep will be around for a while. If in while you mean until the state shuts them down for test tampering and rampant cheating. Yes, they are one of the few schools still being investigated so don’t call BS on this one.
@Rob each of thouse players got more than one start due to injury but you are right it doesnt matter both Old Forge and Dunmore will be very strong teams.
Mark D there is no way that’s right. Oprisko did not start and one of the Drews twins did not start either. Boland, Korjeski and Jones are the 3 departures. Marchese played more D than O too.
Their returning starters will be the QB, Buckley, 2 lineman, tight end, full back and a WR(Blackwell).
Regardless, Dunmore and Old Forge are going to be very, very good. Both imo should be preseason top 5. Both schools are going to have massive O lines.
you have
Drew at center
Drew at guard
Oprisko at tackle
Mchale at tackle
Zilla at tight end
doesnt look like Dunmore lost 3 o line man to me
pluse Buckely back at tail back
fullback Sawka
QB Kujawiski
end Marcase
that 9 back on offence that made the State final
@Tim, Berwick will be a force to reckon with in 2013. Berwick will have much stronger linemen, Trent Kowalski will be the tb 6 foot 2 inches 200 lbs, CJ Curry back at qb. Defense will be better with all dbs over 6 foot tall and very good team speed. Only 2 tests will be WVW and Selinsgrove, could be a rematch of 2012 aaa final with Abington Heights.
Not saying Dunmore won’t be as good next year in “A”, because that coach does a fine job and they seem to be good every year. But according to a lineup from last years playoffs, they bring back RT,C, TE, QB and RB on offense. They actually lose 3 starting OL. But like I said, they will again be a force in D2 again.
Dunmore brings a lot back in A most of the o line and their big running back
What about small schools in the East (AA/A)? Danville and Southern Columbia bring back a lot on each side of the ball.
no mention of D2 schools ? watchout for what Coach Curry and the DAWGS do in D2 and maybe a trip to Choc. Town in the cards!!
Imhotep will still have lots of speed next year with only about 5 seniors leaving this year they still have great players to fill in missing spots. This team is young and will be around for awhile.
Zephdad – not to be the spelling police but it’s Catty, not caddy. Your mind is on the golf course and not in Catty (unless you are standing on Bullshead or Howertown Roads =)
And I do think Catty has a legit shot at Hershey, be positive =)
can’t wait to here what liberty coach is planing for the season ,i hope he looks hard at the tapes lots of young talent,and kj williams coming back and the freshman QB . his first order of business should be naming the freshman as the starter.
@Alex, I agree caddy is certainly a good team I’m from Whitehall and my nephew is from northampton and we sincerely would love to see a local team especially caddy go far in the playoffs. Unfortunately I’m not sure of they can bear Imhotep. I watched when pen argyl played them an it looked unfair, the speed difference was obvious and pen argyl was good team. I will be rooting for them but do not expect them winning states. But hey that’s why they play the games!
On the HH ordeal; been a sh*t show over there for years, tons of young talent in that district…a shame that they continue to let ego’s and politics get in the way.
Agreed, no one should tell anyone how to feel. After hearing more details regarding Rosenberger speaking to HH players and parents — which I didn’t realize took place— I agree with OL . I thought he had just worked out with HH kids a few times, did not realize they did formal intro with parents,etc. Heard he stressed loyalty and commitment to HH kids….apparently he didn’t live up to his own standards. Still a soap opera no matter what your vantage point is…
@Herb and George, do me a favor, don’t tell me how I should feel.
Rosenberger spent a month at HH with the kids getting them ready for spring and summer camps. Not once did he tell these kids, “hey, I may walk out on you any day now”. The guy is as good as his word; apparently that means he’s not any good at all. In other circles, he’d be called a snake!
Don’t give me any sob story about wt being his alma mater; fact is, his word is just worth NNOTHING.
good luck to all the kids!
Pretty wild, noticed that Shariff Floyd has entered the draft for this April. Saw him play a few years ago at Charlie Martin Stadium. George Washington was playing St. Joe’s Prep if I’m not mistaken. Remember Rutgers Coach Schiano was on the sideline to watch him.
OK, My first post ever on any site. I have sat back and watch the idiot administators at Hatboro Horsham ruin their football program over the last several years. I do not have a child there now–He played in the 90’s. However, I have been around Suburban One football for 30 years–I know a lot of people. The admin needs to be exposed for their incompetency and their arrogance. They wasted time on a coach inititally who told everyone he couldn’t be the head coach time wise–bu yet they “Talked him into taking the job”. Which he held them up for a week or 2, then he told them he didn’t have time to coach–surprise. In the mean time they left a couple of good coaches waiting—then when they go and hire one of these guys they make the guy wait and rake him over the coals for a few weeks. They didnt see the urgency in January so they wait till Feb board meeting and then lose the guy to his alma mater…. that’s what you get when you play games and try to fill the spot with “your guy” or a Hatboro guy when there were several good coaches waiting to help. Now kids are flocking to play for the first coach–probem is that coach is at Wood….I am going to next board meeting and blasting these admins. They are a joke. I’ve seen people on another site trying to bury the guy for leaving for Tennet–He didn’t leave–they never hired him!!!! Guy is a good coach who wouldve helped the kids. Worse yet (heard this this week)apparently they couldve had a LaSalle coach and several LS assistants according to the local youth coaches I know. They had started talking about camps and clinics… Guess they couldn’t control these other LS coaches… Can not wait for next board meeting. BTW , I know AD real well and he is a heckuva guy. He looks like he aged 20 years since this crap started…Stick with LAX & Baseball fold the football team–these kids deserve a fighting chance which the admins won’t give them.
As for the small schools, Catty could win the 2A state championship. Zack Bradley, Ra’Von Burton and Paryss Marshall are all back this season. All their good linemen are also back. They scored like 500 points the entire season and only gave up like 100 points.
Book it. Rosenberger to Tennet
Was told that he is interviewing with Tennet and that he asked HH board to “wait” to make announcement. Guess it will come down to how see a deal Tennet offers him. My guess if all things were equal and both jobs posted at same time– Rosenberger would’ve taken Tennet job. Again, I feel for the kids. HH admin made critical mistakes with initial coaching decisions and now may have a huge mess on their hands. If Rosenberger decides to go to his alma mater no one should criticize him. He was HH 3rd or 4 th choice and they delayed in hiring him, so they left the door open for Rosenberger to talk to another school.
Herb what’s the word? Did the approve Rosenberger?
PCL- your speculation may prove prophetic. Hearing Roaenberger is seriously considering Tennet. Tomorrow is D Day in Hatboro Horsham as they vote to approve him… We will know tomorrow night either way. Good Luck to him! He s waited his turn.
In all fairness this is 100% my speculation I have not heard this rumor anywhere.
Correct, if you read the articles and connect the dots the picture is clear. If WT offers Rosenberger a teaching job and HH didn’t then he is gone.
@PCL fan I feel same way. Does the fact that HH took forever to commit to Rosenberger plus they won’t announce till Feb 19 open the door for him to go back home to Tennet. Did Tennet open this job at this strange time thinking they could grab Rosenberger? Like a soap opera. Hearing some noise about Hatboro kids going to transfer–top kids. Plus, hearing that some 8th grade student athletes from district now may chose to go to Wood or LS. Can’t make this stuff up!
William tennet now open
Watch this closely for next 3 to 4 weeks
William Tennet
Wait and see how things unfold during next three. The ingredients are there for an interesting story.
Herb – Good info, It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. Lkg forward to 2013.
@Soup, it’s funny you mention Spahits. I was in car wash yesterday and 2 guys were talking about Spahits going to Wood. If this happens it would be a real shame. The kid is a great player but I don’t think PIAA should allow Sr transfers especially when kid doesn’t move. Interesting that the Wood coach who turned down job at Hatboro (HH grad too ) now may get Spahits on his team. Again, this is in the “I heard stage” I’m sure the school will fight this transfer if in fact it happens. BTW LS would never take a senior transfer unless they just moved to area, there curriculum is too difficult.
Herb -I agree but I heard Spahits was going to LaSalle? any word on that?
Garnet Valley returns 4 starters on offense and 5 on defense. Portale will be taking over the reigns from All-Delco quarterback Ryan Corkey (Just committed to West Chester)….. I think this junior class the Jaguars have can definitely win a CL Champ with the likes of Haverford, Ridley, and Strath Haven.
Happened to be walking by Temple campus today and saw a young buck donning a Wilson West Lawn shirt. Turns out he played on the 2008 team that lost to Bethel Park in the western semifinal in triple overtime. Remember hearing that that team had a great defense. He mentioned that Wilson would have matched up really well against Liberty had that happened. It’s a game of inches, man.
@Brian. Pennridge has coach on staff in preparation for Rosenberger leaving. Randy is a good coach but he loses a lot of good players. Don’t think they will get close to this years success. Hatboro will improve under Rosenberger as they have nowhere to go but up. Think they are foolish if they try and run wing t there. Not playing to strength of the school’s good athletes. Need a spread offense there to get kids in school out for the team…basketball , baseball kids. Luke Spahits is a flat at stud RB for HH so look for big numbers from him. Good luck to all in ’13
We’re on the subject of 2013. When will the full schedule be released?
@Jerry
Just touched base with my buddy @ Pennridge and he confirmed Rosenberger is going to Hatboro along with running backs Coach Jones which is good for Hatboro but bad for Pennridge. Also heard Pennridge is losing two other coaches. Guess that’s what happens when you have a season like Pennridge had last year. Going out on top!
@ Jerry
Rosenberger is going to the Hatters? Wow huge loss for Pennridge. Rosenberger’s the guy who could turn the program around. Hope things work out for him.
Was told that Rosenberger took Hatboro job. He is DC at Pennridge. Good luck with that admin. Tough to win there
@phillyboy
I know how you feel about La Salle from previous posts and I don’t mean to upset you but the road to the PCL and District 12 championships still goes through Wyndmoor. Ya gotta win them to go to States.
@Jive Turkey9
Look forward to it. Infante has done a super job in getting the Hawk back “near” the top. Not quite “The top” just yet.
As many of my blog mates know I absolutely root for the public teams in states but one exception might be St. Joe’s Prep. They’re a true blue Philadelphia school at 18th and Girard, baby. Would be pretty neat to see them take home the AAAA title. Can see the fire trucks going down Girard Avenue with blaring sirens on a mid December night.
@Herb
Thanks again, Herb. Although I live in the National Division area of the Suburban One, I am always interested in the whole league; and with high school football in general, extending to the rest of D1,and all of Eastern PA, and Western PA, sort of in that order. I had earlier mentioned that I wondered if Mike Class at Pennridge would have the cast to get the Rams a year as in 2012; and if North Penn was only a bump in the road this season. Josh Adams at C B South is also back, but the cast there also needs to be as good as 2012. I hope the Hatters get straightened around; again good luck, and thanks.
1 Nobody in this state touches St. Joes Prep next season, nobody! I’m neither a supporter or fan, however, they will walk away with states.
2 Jeff will bash Prep all year for recruiting, and others will join that bandwagon fast.
3 John Reid, Prep DB, will verbally commit to Alabama.
Side note on the recruiting thing. There is a camp on the weekends for the whos who of Philly HS football players. Guess which coaches fill the sideline at this meat market? It’s a Publc League coaching fiesta. Doesn’t make sense though, because we all know, public schools don’t recruit.
KMac : Hatboro Horsham update– check out PaPreps boards as well. Pennridge DC turned them down. Funny thing is they now are supposedly interviewing younger coach who teaches there. The irony is that i don’t believe they even offered him an interview initially (think they interviewed 7 or guys face to face). Now it looks like they may end up with a 24-26 year old coach….very strange saga. My nephew is in the band but knows a lot of the football players. Seems to be confusion and misinformation between school staff and superintendents office. Keep u posted of I hear any more. Thinking any decent coach will stay away….
@Non-bias fan
I hear this new head coach at Liberty is experienced with linemen. He’ll find was to improve the next group of offensive linemen. Their starting quarterback last year was only a freshman and he did really good for a freshman. He’ll probably be even better this year. They might become one of the best offenses this year even though they might not have the best defense.
Liberty needs to vastly improve with their line play both offensively and defensively. They played swiss cheese defense last year and their OL didn’t give anything a chance. At the end of the year they started to play better and won 3 of their last 4 games. So they fire the HC and turn to a guy with no HC experience at the HS level, change systems, and philosophies and think it’ll get better. WOW
@Herb
Thank you for the information, Herb. I have been wondering what was happening down in Hatter-land. The program has most of the time been competitive. Its nice to get information on the situations on any of the eastern schools, but for me especially so for Suburban One schools which is my primary following. Sorry the situation is down, but best of luck to the Hatter’s!
My nephew is a Soph at Hatboro Horsham. What a mess they have going on done there. Admin asked coach to step down at Thanksgiving. Haven t named a new coach in 2 months. Word around here is They had choice of an HH Alum who coaches QB s at Wood, Pennridge DC, and I was told a top assistant from LaSalle. Offered to Wood guy but he turned them down–week after they already told players he was their coach… Guess there is a reason the program is only winning 1 game and a decent size school has only 40 kids on Varsity & JV combined…my guess is the administration based on their last 2 head coaching choices. Don’t think they are doing what’s best for kids rather they look look for alums or those in building rather than best available. Kids are confused and people are upset in the district. Looks like Superintendent’s Office has created a messy deal here
office is looking for ideal person from area they can control.
I think Liberty could potentially be good this season. KJ Williams is back this season and he’s got offers from schools like Pitt and Rutgers. They also have two good quarterbacks who are both back this year.
Looks like most teams will be young and have new faces next year but SJ Prep has all skill kids back… will be tough to beat.
@Jeff
So the public kids and their parents have no money? Stop it with the whining. There are 4 State Champions and three of them are pubs. And the word “Hate” is a very harsh word.
Jeff, If they do, then they are no different than the successful public schools who also recruit.
Jeff, I think the way it is right now is all in all pretty balanced and reasonable. Look, if they absolutely didn’t recruit in any way, shape or form then they would have a hard time being competitive against the top public teams. On the other hand, it’s not out of control like over in New Jersey or down in Maryland/D.C. The private schools in those states are SO much better than the public teams to the point where it has created a bit of a backlash. A number of public schools won’t even schedule regular season games against them. I think when Jersey separataed the public/private playoffs the problem was exacerbated. PA has got it right. It’s a really good balance.
The catholic school programs send tons of kids to IVY’s, Patriot and other top academic schools. Those parents have money to send them to all kinds of camps and give them a huge advantage as a team. That’s what we hate about the catholic schools. Rollie THEY RECRUIT and everyone knows it.
Think St. Joe’s Prep will be formidable in 2013. They had a nice team last year that was pretty young and talented. They could be a growing storm. Coach Infante took his lumps for a couple years, made huge progress last year, this could be the year they take it.
@Brian Hope
Thanks for the insight on the Rams. Every year I think I am going to keep the rosters on all the Sub One teams and during the season check on who’s who to forecast the next season; but I never do. Thanks, again. Many times I have seen an outstanding player in high school have a better junior season than senior season; and it was because of the surrounding cast. Good luck to the Rams!
@Kmac
I believe North Penn will be very good in 2013 and will go deep into the playoffs. For Pennridge and Mike Class I wish them well but they only have about 10 returning seniors, lost 6 starting offensive lineman and their big fullback who lead the way for Class. Out of a squad of 40+ 22 were seniors, hopefully they will have a lot of underclass men come out for the team. Just might be a rebuilding year. Plus everyone will be gunning for them. After all this I think Mike Class will still have a great year ahead of him and Pennridge will have a winning season.
With limited information, I still like to speculate a bit on the coming season. My perspective is basically the Suburban One League and surrounding area. Mike Class is back at Pennridge. Does he have an equivalent supporting cast to that of the 2012 season? Was the 2012 season at North Penn just a hiccup; or a downward trend? Council Rock North freshman QB McIlwane was most impressive for a freshman. Will he get some better results/support? Council Rock South, after two great seasons lost a ton of seniors and had a difficult 2012 season. Is a rebound forthcoming; or were those two seasons very special? Pennsbury I believe, lost a lot of talent, but does have a pretty good looking QB returning. Neshaminy supposedly had a lot of youth this season, could be stronger in 2013.
PhillyBoy, My comment pertains to the human condition. The fact that 3 of the 4 of the 2012 PA state champs were public schools is a fact to be ignored by people who lost along the way to a catholic school.
There’s no need for people to whine about Catholic schools. The top dog in the east and the state champion at the top level, AAAA, are still public schools.
I predict people will still whine about Catholic schools.
Expect Coatesville to do well with Worley. Alquippa will be fun to watch as well. Spring-Ford has Jones back. In the Central League, expect Garnet Valley, Haverford, Ridley, and Strath Haven to be in contention for the title.